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thehomer: Those oyibo people have helped you by putting it online for the atheists here to tell you. They've used their inventions of software and the Internet to help you but you just keep complaining.

the guy quickly checked online...wat happens to personal research? how can u be sure that yoruba people call it Oya when its mere "hear say" afterall You NL atheist like debunking "hear say"

thehomer: Mungo Park made some important discoveries there whether you like it or not. You really seem hung up on Mungo Park. How many Africans bothered to take the time to trace the complete route of the river and write about it?

Are u Nigerian? if u are go to ur village especially if its around the river...u'll hear things that Mango park never discovered

Obi1kenobi: Really? What are these theories then? I'm interested to hear them.

go to ur village and find that out urself. if u only learn from internet ur atheism is bullpoo

Obi1kenobi: That's how you know someone has nothing else to say. When his arguments are ripped apart and exposed and he just mindlessly regurgitates what he said before with no argument. It's not my fault you have inferiority complex issues with the white race and you think the solution to that is pretentions to African traditionalism. Trading one delusion for another delusion.

^^ur opinion. when have u ever studied african philosophies? abi african philosophy isnt universal

ladionline: @RandomAA, when I refer to Isaac as Isokun, it is not wild goose chase. The Yoruba tradition for twins says "Taye lolu ejire ara isokun," meaning 'The first child is the eminent of the friendly two, progeny of Isokun.' Do you have a couple in Egypt by that name whose history survive? Then the tradition continues 'omo kehinde gbegbon' meaning 'the last child supplant the seniority'. We know that Hebrew tongue is diluted, whose tongue is not? Is-haq,(Arabo-semitic) Isaac(English), Isokun, (Yoruba, Saki?), is that any difficult to comprehend with the supporting tradition in the absence of 'vested interest' bias? In fact, everyone have their epistle, you are motivated on purpose, so why must I submit to your 'aerial' conclution in spite of classic fact at my disposal? ;(

but "Isokun" has nothing to do with "laughter" as "yisaki" does and the words arent even alike

ola how do u get this pix? do u create them urselves or wat?

bigfrancis21: I wonder why some people fail to realize the distinctness of language. If any of the Edo languages had been truly yoruba, they would have definitely been classified as Yoruboid by linguists and international researchers. Everything about Edo languages says its entirely different from the words for God, boy, woman, man, body parts down to the very last.

Some Ikas and Ndokwas wish to be seen as different from Igbo yet the language they speak is Igbo and hence are still classified under the Igbo umbrella as Igboid by the Joshua project, historians, wikipedia, international journals etc. If truly, Ika and Ndokwa Igbo were distinct as some people would have us believe like hausa, igala, idoma etc, then they would have long since been regarded as a separate group and classified as Ikaoid or Ndokwaoid with several dialects under it.

Using mere differences in dialects as a basis for classification of languages is totally baseless. Its these differences in dialects that makes them dialects in the first place for if everybody spoke the same language exactly, then there'd be basically nothing like dialects.

And is language the only thing to consider when claiming ethnicity?

PhysicsQED: You keep avoiding some of my questions without giving a reason. You made it seem like the "Akoko people" (referring to the peoples of the Akoko-Edo area of Edo state) had the same views as that one guy you met in Abuja, but when I asked you why you thought this, you didn't explain.

New questions, since you avoided some of the previous ones.

1) How are they "sibling tribes"

and

2) Please tell me what this "same origin" is.

Speaking "Oyo" is not relevant to what they are - some Ijaws in Ondo state speak Yoruba, some non-Hausas speak Hausa, etc. It doesn't change what those people are ethnically or what they know themselves to be.

which questions did I avoid

I told u Akoko( Akoko-Edo and Akoko-Ondo) speak Oyo language as well as their indigenous languages
Ask an Akoko person to tell u how he views the others across the state boarder

The Akoko people dont have One established origin, many waves of migrations existed from Ile-ife, bini and Akure, they also share a lot with Igala and Idoma

You make seem as if Akoko-edo and Akok-ondo are totally different group of people

9jadelta: re read my post carefully...
it is universal (means everyone knows about it) ... but white man shed more light on it

same with evolution... it is universal, but white man shed more light on it. u can go to lab and watch organisms evolve.

scientific law is universal.. it doesnt matter who shed more light on it.

like folykaze said, mungo park didn't discover river Niger but mungo park made it known to all. same with newton, darwin etc

the laws have always been there...(they are part of nature) we cannot say the law is not acceptable simply because a white shed more light on it.

So why is it that NL athiest Mock and dismiss Any theory coming from African Traditions, even when its already universally known (as u said) ??

thehomer: Actually, they didn't. They felt the effects of gravity and could carry out some actions with it but forming the theory and demonstrating the mathematical relationships wasn't first done by Africans. You can read up more on it here. The fact that Africans weren't first to the table doesn't mean that whatever non-Africans observed was wrong.

so Africans before An European scientist came up with "Law of gravity" Africans and the World didnt know that gravity existed

Bidam: God is love in the OT,cause and effect played out in the OT, so you can't say it is the fault of God.

everything that happens is because God allows it.....so when innocent people die or when he annihilates an entire nation. who is that Love?

RandomAfricanAm: I think you guys should pause and checkout the tread...
https://www.nairaland.com/1530367/when-arabian-peninsula-northeast-africa
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You all are doing two things tthat always confuse me.
1. You are using the English names as a proxy to determine how close Yourba terms are to Hebrew instead of looking at the Hebrew terms themselves(The English language bible is like a translation of a translation of a translation)

2. You all never mention the pink elephant in the room namely that Hebrews came into world history in Africa they weren't Hebrews before that they got there culture in Africa! How can the child birth the parent? People act like Africans were twiddling there thumbs waiting for foreigners to bring culture. My contention is that most of the similarities you see will be retentions from the Green Sahara passed on to Ancient Egyptian then obviously being absorbed by who ever resided in Ancient Egypt long enough to learn there culture (Abraham entered Egypt *Alone* moses didn't leave until *multiple* generations later)




Again, please review the basic history in the link above

The bold makes Much sense. people ignorantly try to fix yoruba history into the semitc areas and use Bible to research as if the bible is accurate

Bidam: Man by nature is rebellious. Jesus purpose was to reveal the Father to mankind.He is the Pattern Son, so tis no fault of His, if you and others don't see it that way.That Love of God is found in Jesus.

so God was never love in the OT?

9jadelta: so, if oyinbo man tells you that whatever goes up must come down (law of gravity)
u wont accept simply because na oyinbo talk am right? even when u truly know that the law is universal?

so Africans didnt know Law of gravity before Modern science?

texazzpete: I've reported this to the Moderators for offensive content.

If the Moderator takes no action, I'll report HIM to Seun.

Religious intolerance must be rooted out at all levels.

there are No |Mods to report to

so Wats going on about the MOD issue? A section cant be without a MOD

PhysicsQED: You keep referring to "Akoko people" in this thread.

You do realize the Akoko-Edo (I assume that's the place that you meant to refer to) peoples are quite distinct from the Akoko in Ondo state, right? I'm referring to the Okpamheri, Ososo, Oloma, Uneme, etc. of Akoko-Edo. They're all different groups from one another, and they're different from the Akoko Yoruba in Ondo state.

They (the people in the Akoko-Edo area of Edo state) have their own languages, and they don't claim to be Yoruba or claim to be "the same people" with Yoruba. If you think that they think they're Yoruba or "the same with Yoruba", can you at least tell me why you think this?

I know all about the distinctions between Akoko-Edo And Akoko-Ondo but they are sibling tribes u should know that They have same origin
Akoko people are very close to Ondo in everything and just like Ondo and Akure they speak Oyo language as a lingual franca but their indigenous languages are closer to bini than Oyo

lanrexlan: Are your brain cells complete?

You know wat u are Arab slave

[quote author=n_armani]i don't think love attract demons, but demons don't love the fact that you're showing love when the world has been made into hate and violence. So they'd want to stop your 'love showing'...and FYI you didn't have to call of a fool, you know?[/quote]its evident u dont use ur head to think but ur bible so wat makes u NOT A FOOL?

if u know the Law of Karma u would know that Negative energies dont convert in an Environment that hasnt charged them up

All those who give hate and Wickedness always end up receiving such back- thats the demon at work not some being looking for innocent people to devour

PhysicsQED: Okay. And were you guys conducting a business transaction? Was he trying to sell you something? I'm kidding of course.

But on a serious note, I get it - he believes the Edo and the Yoruba are the same people because of some similarities or some shared history - that's cool and he's entitled to his belief. It's nothing outlandish for him to see things that way, even if, ultimately, it's misleading or inaccurate. But just don't take his view as necessarily representative or anything - it's one man's opinion.

And Akoko people who speak Oyo

lanrexlan: Surah Al-Furqan 25:27-29 -And (remember) the Day when the Zalim (wrong-doer,polytheist,etc.) will bite at his hands,he will say:
"Oh! Would that I had taken a path with the Messenger (Muhammad SAW).Ah! Woe to me! Would that I had never taken so-and-so as a friend!
He indeed led me astray from the Reminder (this Quran) after it had come to me.And Shaitan (Satan) is ever a deserter to man in the hour of need.

more Arab slaves

Bidam: Nah! A rebellious son should take the responsibilities for his actions..that is cause and effect..It's a universal law,even you are aware of it.

true! The Law would always catch up with its offenders but You dont see me claiming God is love

[quote author=n_armani]my brother, your post earlier isn't true o. The devil is not afraid of your kindness and good conscience, or your good deed. As much as God is interested in you, so is he. He only respects God's word which he'd not mind testing you on, to know whether you're empty.
The bible also says we shouldn't be ignorant of the devices of the enemy. What you know and are wise enough to apply might just save you so many trouble, if not your life.[/quote]more religious fools

so Love attrats demons

I guess u never heard of the LAW OF KARMA
only those who do evil fear the evil

So keep up the fear, evil doesnt fear fear

PhysicsQED: This doesn't really answer the question I posed, but okay, I'll guess I'll move past that.

This person you mentioned, do you know where was he from (in Edo state)? And was he living in Edo state or in the southwest when he made that statement?

It's not that I don't believe you - I'll definitely take your word for it. But know that he is only expressing his opinion and that a large number of people from the same state as him would disagree with him about that. On the flip side, perhaps a few others might agree with him, but it probably wouldn't make sense in this instance to read too much into the opinion of a few people out the larger group.

he claims Bini
He lives in Benin but He came to Abuja for a while- Where we met

don kross: . How come you are looking for a proof while u r arguing (or lemme use ur word) educating the proof.

i suspect u have problems comprehending english

Mee234: You are sounding like the Gabriel oyibo fellow that propose that GAGUT theory. Alot of people consider him mad

never heard of gagut but I think i've heard the name somewhere

PhysicsQED: So have you told them some of the things you're saying on this thread? What was their reaction?

The first time I got hear Edo-yoruba link was from an Edo, He always parades Edo and yoruba are same people
so There's no Edo person that would be surprised to hear that

It always leads to history talk and Cultural festivals

ikkings: Not that the game has demons, just that sometimes the creators of these games try to pass across subliminal messages and you accept it in your subconcious mind without knowing, you may not know what they are up to but they certainly know what they want to achieve, which christian in his right mind would create a game with images of idols? pple play these games thinking its fun but the devil is achieving his aim.

Such childish mind

Mr Troll: lol, as if that somehow makes it less oyinbo.


if it is a theory from western scientist nko? That makes it a problem how?

I have utmost respect for any invention and scientific discovery whether african or western...


what gives you this impression that we accept anything without using our head? Is it our fault that instead of us africans to use our brains for technology we choose instead to pray?

A change can start with you.

at least if few are developing wat we know here in Africa, this continent wont be as messed up as it is but instead its give up for anything African and embrace anything and everything the caucasians gives u

Obi1kenobi: But you approve of all their material products and use them freely, but when you can't understand a theory promulgated by them, you shut down your brain under the delusion of "using you head". Which philosophies do you want the atheists to go and investigate? How many have you been able to prove and disprove?

Japan developed which Electronic device? Please, stick to debating pagan crap and don't venture into what you're clueless about. Because you see a few Japanese electronic manufacturers, you assume they developed the technology? So the Japanese developed cars too because they have some automobile manufacturers like Honda and Toyota, abi?

fact is you accept any bullpoo coming from oyinbo

RoyPCain: One of the families had the two military tribunal judges of Babatunde Folorunsho and Ishola Oyenusi. the judges were father and son. ask the elders because the events were before your conception.


the invitation to success is what we in Islam extend;

more rubbish

Bidam: What do you say of a rebellious son who deliberately shut the door of his heart to the father's love? He is the one condemning himself not the father.

A loving father would keep loving son and not prepare a torture house for him