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informatix: it is the righteous part quit traditionalism if you are one.

the warrior72:
Delusion, Every Muslim is destined for hellfire.
And that u are a Christian does not guarantee u heave, except u are born of water & blood u are equally going to hell. Let no one deceive u, CHRIS IN U THE HOPE OF GLORY:=COL 1:27

Kay 17: @OP

Don't the sons of these "ancestors" you talk about, have the freedom to subscribe whatever belief system they want?

Also isn't paganism outdated, given the fact that it cannot keep up with the modern world and provide the meaningful interpretation it needs!

The "world" got bigger, bigger than a tribe, bigger than a continent, bigger than a planet, bigger than the solar system, bigger than a universe! We contemplate multiverses and silently animated particles, how does paganism fit in?!

It is unfortunate that paganism has to die for the future to live.

ghostofsparta: I slightly disagree with you there^ as we don't worship the same God. Even if so, our pagan God(whose name differs ethnically; Eledua/Osanobua/Ubangiji/ChukwUorChineke/Abasi) is far superiorly well conceived revealed to us via Ifa and its messengers (Orishas and the Irunmoles) and unlike theirs male-gendered God(Yahweh/Allah) who always require believers to defend his existence through killings as it is historically described in the crusades, jihads, inquisitions, heresy, slavery, dogmas, creed, doctrinations, proselytizings. Our pagan God don't require any malevolent means nor theatrical shrines (churches,synagogues,mosques) to prove it exist, all anyone need do is to just desecrate any of his messenger's shrine like Ayilala, Amadioha, Shango, Eshu and Ogun etc... May I remind you, as you all know for sure that not a single devotee nor priest will shout "Shangoakbar
" and slaughter you....but it is assured something supernatural would happen to the desecrator.

Do you therefore mean, Allah of Islam is a paganic to the Arab race/ethnic just like Yahweh/Jeovah is paganic to the Jews? Because nevertheless both of 'em are still fake for needing humans to defend their existence and one of which couldn't come to the aid of 6million Jews getting gassed during the holocaust. Such a thing can never happen to the then pagan Yorubas, a mad fascist dictator would be ordering them to enter gas chamber to die in droves, awon temi oni fi oruka gbagbo gbo won ku danu...the knowledge of the oruka is from one of our pagan god (Osayin) who like the rest in the Yoruba pantheon, is a subject to our pagan supreme God (Eledua/Eleduumare/Olodumare)

Oletty: So, essentially, to the average African mind, making heaven is linked to which one of two Middle Eastern religions one follows. I hope our children will grow up to look beyond this madness. Christianity and Islam were spread not because they are the so-called truth but because they had the necessary political, military or guerrilla-warfare tactics to back their advance.

If you are looking for your salvation in a Jewish man, whom the Roman Catholic church has deified, then you will surely be disappointed on the last day. If your salvation is based on the book written by an Arab warrior (largely copied from other holy books around the Arab-Persian environ) then you are stuck in a world that has since vanished.

Your salvation lies within yourself. Be good, help your neighbour, respect people, learn to love, don't cheat, don't steal, don't tell lies. That's it. Dogmatic religions (Christianity, Islam etc) are a distraction. I hope the next generation of Africans will grow up to see this, otherwise they will be stuck behind the rest of a far advancing world. God doesn't give a damn about religion. It's man that does.

ladionline: Thanks macof, the truth is too bitter. If you are familiar with Yoruba classroom textbooks, all they teach is Lamurudu and Oduduwa from Mecca, everyone that has been to school learn that first hand, god help you if you are a muslim, it becomes an apocryphal. If you are asking how come metaphisical found mecca, it ask a question about you too, your intellect. All know the story. Aren't you familiar with the story? Then where do you come from? It's cognitive-denial if you are not working to solve a 'problem' but denies it exist. Guesswork, problem bashing and insult is called escapology. The devil is in the detail, offer your collection of stories around Ekiti or your hometown, let's see. I am Yoruba and that's my "iponri", I'm just curious about you, can you feed us your oriki? That is a litmus test no 1. 9jacrip is from Ife, but never drop Ife in every single sentence posts. Do you?

obanla8: As a person involved in the Yoruban religion who lives in the Americas one of the major factors I see in its ability to survive is its ability to be flexible and retain its complexity. Its an anthropomorphic religion so it could hide amongst the Catholic religious icons without being noticed! We must say that the religion while being nature based is highly sophisticated and is not locked into nature the way some native peoples are. In the United States the native peoples religion was the land, when Europeans took the land they literally took the church of the people! The Yorubas in Cuba and Brazil moved the sacred groves inside! Thus it allowed the religion to survive. This is my point of view as a American of African decent.

tonychristopher: hope the other aspect of yoruba culture was retain like dirtyness,back bitting, fetishness, infedelity and cowardice.... i hope the so call accross pacific ocean retain this.DOES THIS CHANGE THE PRICE OF CRUDE OIL IN THE MARKET PLACE...B.U.LL.SH.I.T.T

ladionline: Since Yoruba evolve, what is the need for patronising ife tradition which claim heavenly origin? Its like 'evolu-tradition' I dont know a culture that uses foreign theory for her tradition of origin. That's some sorts of 'osaka-osoko'.

ladionline: No macof can not speak for me or my father's house. He can speak for ekiti.

He is just like you: you both have infallible menthors who are outside Yoruba.
he is pursuing his agenda en route Ife. The fact that he question you on Mecca origin can only mean he knew next to nothing about basic Yoruba history as taught in 'primary school'.

He has blank oral records to flaunt and the pride/problem made him say evolution cause Yoruba forget their history. What have you done with the one you have? What?

ezotik: starflux, i honestly dont know. but what i noticed is that the older books by old writers have tonal marks. i guess the recent writers are not too sure of where to place the tones correctly as placing a tone incorrectly can give a word a new meaning. i for example is also not to sure, so most times, i just spell the way i pronounce. i will try and add more words as they come to mind to thread especially words i feel are going obsolete. but without tones tho

rukytaiga: Am vry sure all dese men who go around doin rituals most av slept with dat goat and dis is d end result.

khattab02: Macof macof! U just can't express yourself without insults. Anyway, can you show me any place in the Qur'an or the Hadiths where it says Islam is only meant for the Arabs and not the non-Arabs

Lordlexyy: Onyfrank thanks alot for getting them more frustrated. @Kay, believing in some dumb evolution that never evolve atleast since the apes are still apes and humans still humans, demand some great dealing of 'faith'. Confused and desperate people. It is reported that one out of three(3) athiests is mentaly deranged and suffered from psycholunacy due to frustration and exhaustion caused by the constant effort to prove the evolution myth. More frustrated they become when Christians testified of God's intervention and miracles that they received (atleast, i'm a beneficiary) Far more frustrated when people explain coming in contact with a spirit being(atleast, i have seen an angel). Their frustration involves trying to twist and give explainations to experience beyond their limited mind and exposure. The frustration soon develop to hatred, to depression, from depression to memory lost, to sadness, to confusion and finaly to suicide.

Pastor Olu T: Smile, so what's the difference between religion n spirituality, also animism has also becomes spiritual, tell me what I dont know?

Lordlexyy: More frustrated they become when Christians testified of God's intervention and miracles that they received (atleast, i'm a beneficiary) Far more frustrated when people explain coming in contact with a spirit being(atleast, i have seen an angel).

anibi9674: ur opinion count not. I rest my case with u.

Arcsniper: exactly,do you know that if not for education,religions will keep fooling us.maybe that's why some people said .''education is sin'' it sharpens us



i can't imagine a prophet,prophesied and it didn't come to pass. And yet the monkeys xtian still continue to follow him. that means God is lying.

ROSSIKE: Blacks are the First Of All Men. If Adam and Eve existed, they had to have been black. White cannot produce black. Whites lack melanin, a natural colour-producing chemical found in all non-white people. Blacks have the most melanin of the races. They can produce albinoid offspring or mutant offspring without melanin. This was likely how white people came about, as a mutant or albinoid race from blacks.

ROSSIKE: Blacks are the First Of All Men. If Adam and Eve existed, they had to have been black. White cannot produce black. Whites lack melanin, a natural colour-producing chemical found in all non-white people. Blacks have the most melanin of the races. They can produce albinoid offspring or mutant offspring without melanin. This was likely how white people came about, as a mutant or albinoid race from blacks.

MetaPhysical: The first thing to consider is whether or not Sultan is telling the truth with that claim.

Give me your thought on his truthfullness on the claim. I would like to pursue this to its logical conclusion.

Juell: People were de ones calling him a prophet, this was when he appeared to two of his disciples and they were just discussing what people said about him being a "prophet" which doesn't mean he's a prophet. Ur quaran described him as a prophet but my bible acknowledged him as the son of God who came in human form to take the sins of the world upon himself. That's why he was born as a human so he could shed his blood as a final sacrifice.

Sheykul Islam: "the religion with God is Islam" Q3 vs 19. Any other religion apart from islam will never be accepted by God Q3 vs 85. Islam and christainity never dsame just like light and darkness. Abeg park well

Juell: Don't hav nothing to say to u, cos I've just checked ur topics and there's no way am getting into an argument wit u cos........u will NEVER understand.

Pastor Olu T: Fear? U have no idea my friend, well I dont expect much 'cos spiritual things can only be discerned by spiritually inclined/minded people.

No matter the reason u came to Christ, u fall in love with Him. The idea had been love all along n not fear, though one might not understand at the initial stage!