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beejay112: Am very happy with this page.ifayemi is a well known ifa priest in ikorodu and he has always been respected by most government officials.most of the onifa,s are fraudsters and impostures but OBA ifayemi is not like them.I remember a ifa priest named BABA ETIKO in Agege,he is the second in command to OBA IFAYEMI,he told me much about ifa and I noticed he is always straight forward man compare to one OLUWO ADEMOLA which OBA IFAYEMI dismissd from his palace last year and it was even written in the paper.oluwo demola was dismissed fro Saala because he is rude. Back to the point,why I refused to serve ifa is,if u are killing any animal for ur ifa,u must bow down ur head for it and say ifa ori mi ree ooo,and the lord wrote it in the bible and quran tht don't bow down for anything I made because am the jealous God. Yes I can confirm it,over 200 pastorsi knew that have ifa but the church members will not know.ifa is good but putting ur head down is not wht I like in it.

You are still in a slave mentality.

You came bow to anything, because the Bible says so but you still bow to a craven image of yeshua and Mary

I guess you can't bow before your king but you can bow before your pastor.

Abeg u never ready to accept Ifa

But nobody is forcing to go against ur personal habits/doctrines but don't do it because a foreign book says so.

viski: pls be responsible, how can u then convince me after the insult. Well, exercise appropriate etiquette in laying down your viewpoint. So, what is the Yoruba translation of satan?

We Yoruba don't have a satan

Esu/Eshu isn't satan,
He is the ever obedient messenger of Olodumare

viski: Well, I think you just air that out of the pain and disappointment from most of our leaders, don't forget that God is not hungry for attention compared to satan, God is patient, forgiving and loving yet he disciplines, don't think anyone that makes a vow and do breaks it will go scot free. The time for God's reckoning will come, consider what is said here if you care to know at Matthew 5:33-37.

Satan in the Bible has never seeked attention.
It's actually the God in the Bible that chases after attention like a jealous wife of Israel

viski: Abraham wasn't a pagan, his Dad(Terah) was a pagan, Can you tell why God told him to leave his father's house.

Is this suppose to prove a point

God told me to leave my fathers house, does that make me different from him?

God told Owa Obokun and other major grandsons of Oduduwa to leave their fathers house does that make them Non-pagan?

Abraham left because his God(the same God of his father) promised him a good life. God does that with a lot of people

viski: You all love to shout TRADITION, TRADITION and TRADITION, God help you, well, satan goes tro and fro seeking whom to devour, he's competing with God, the Bible gives a very clear understanding of how things began, satan came down to earth with his dark angels(demons) when he was defeated, he succeeded in pushing us against our CREATOR (so we die), God has a special love for us 'cos we are just like his prototype in form(this is to satan shame). A blood must be shed for the remission of sin, a pure, sinless, spotless lamb. Because, without the sheding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin, even the traditionalist know that, in old times, blood of rams are shed(this is just temporary, it only demonstrates the next order of thing which is yet to come). JESUS CHRIST came to die once and for all, he arose from the dead to show how we'll also arise someday leaving the devil defeated, since then, SALVATION is now refined. The devil never rest and he'll never rest, but Christ has prayed for us before his departure, his Holy Spirit will lead us, comfort us and guide us through the way. Remember, so far as satan can tempt Jesus, no one is exempted, do not be wise in your own eyes, remember the downfall of Solomon, lean on the Holy Spirit, and guard your heart for it is the wellspring of life. In fact, not to forget, Jesus even told me to love my enemies. Ah! What greater love do we even need from God. Things will begin to turn around, you'll feel inner peace, you won't be concerned any more about any pastor or imam that is falling away, but you'll know that at the end, it comes down to YOU and God. And for the traditionalist in the house, God loves you, Jesus love you, I love you. LET US ALL STAND UP TO STOP SATAN AND HIS WORKING DEMONS ON THE TRACK!

So it's ok for Jews to sacrifice a human for the remission of sin but it's a sin for Yoruba to sacrifice a goat for the same remission of sin

You see the funny thing is we Yoruba don't worship the goats we sacrifice
Neither does anyone worship the goats

Here's the drop.
A compare Jesus to a goat

viski: is it not this same traditional religion that appease and worship satan (esu)?

If I reply this post I'll be ban for life
So make I cool down
Ifa is your friend, learn from him and acquire knowledge

ayomide falaye: They are looking 4 truth

Ooto wa l'owo Ifa

tunjidj3: ifa is the religion but it base on imagination when you talt about odu in ifa one can get thousand result but you only pick the one that suit the problem and all goes back to desobedient angel from god .i will like u to try it NOTHIN LIKE THE NAME OF JESUS because im from ifa family and i know how powerful the name of JESUS is e.g among the success children of my family are the one who know how to use the name of JESUS

I have posted something but I modified it.

pls make me understand this post before I jump into conclusion

I know all these.
I was just pointing out that Jesus existed, just not the way the Bible portrays him

Faith93: The word of God(bible)is the light to our life..it directs us nd teaches us ow to live this world of sin..u dwell iin darkness witawt the wrd of God..why becos, ur nt conscious of anytn...ur nt abiding by anitn..ur onli settiing d rules..wich makes such person dwell in darkness cos dere is no directn..if u dnt believe in the word of God (bible),,then u live a faithless life...a life tossed by d wind here nd there..the bible says "they dat wait upon the lord shall be renew in their strength, they shall mount up wings like eagles, they shall run nd nt grow weary..pls my dear friends d word of God wrks to those who believe nd abide by the word(bible)..nd medidate on it nd nt to those who sit dwn..waitn 4 miracle..pls dnt compromise...hold strong to the word of God..cos its a weapon for all Christians..to overcome SIN nd DESTRUCTION!...tnx!

Bible is the word of God
What about the Koran?
And the Complete Tanakh

I had to modify my post.
The Bible is nothing more than Jews displaying their understanding of God

you all should get initiated into ur traditions, learn your peoples understanding of God

Faith93: I dnt gt u Dr..am nt disputing God's word o..nd I will Neva do dat.abt 200likes wat do u mean?

Christianity has taken away the thinking faculty of Maxwell's brain

[quote author=Nigellus_Hosan]The Word became Flesh bore my Sin and Death..

Now He Is Risen..
If his resurrection can Silence the devil himself..

U better keep quiet u mere mortal...
N stop joking wit tinz u can't comprehend..[/quote]You worshipping a man and when asked to explain it u say that it cannot be comprehended.

Typical Christian stupidity

Alfa this phifearon has nothing to say, he never has never will.
You wasting energy with him

FOLYKAZE: And this landed to the deaf ear of African christians

Exactly
Most Christians are so dumb that they have let the Vatican control their minds

thorpido: What makes you think the Jews are the most reliable source?They didn't believe and accept Him.
Would you say the Aluu community are the most reliable source for the true story of the killing of the 'Aluu boys' as they were the first hand witnesses?

Here's more on Jesus and his Messiah claims
www.nairaland.com/1496957/jewish-messiah

[quote author=Nigellus_Hosan]Jesus Taught me Silence is Golden[/quote]Off course
Since Jesus himself is as silent as a dead man

Tobinshunt: plz, is there any one who has any contradiction to the TRUTH written above. let him speak now or shut his mouth FOREVER

No one can bring any logical points to contradict the post
All Christians know is to quote from Bible

PStylish: Why do we like making life complicated for ourselves?

The last time I checked, there is no ethnic nationality in Nigeria called 'mixed'.

My grandparents were from the same towns, my parents were from the same state, my wife is from the SW.
Can you see the trend?

Is your father a Nigerian? You are a Nigerian.
Is your father Hausa? You are Hausa!

Chikena!!

Itsekiri, Ilaje, Ijebu Igala are mixed

Tiphareth: Let us remember here that: ''Power is Neutral'' and can be used for both evil and good. There is no evil or good power. Whether the person invoking such power or 'prayer' is a christian, muslim, ATR, etc. it does not matter. Hence, the Bible, Quran, Bhagavad Gita, Book of Shadows, Upanisad, etc can be used to do evil or good depending on the doer's intension.
Tiphareth

Christians and Muslims don't share your view.
To them everything ATR is evil or impotent while Their religion is all powerful and holy

harnnarh: [color=#770077][/color] :- if u know d gain of going to heaven @d end,and d punishment being given in hell...my brother,u'll confess your sins now and turn to God

That's the dumbest answer to the question I placed.

Pls answer like an educated fellow

OLAADEGBU: If Jesus is to be taken seriously when He says: "No one comes to the Father but through Me," every other proposal is a religion of darkness.

Maybe he's the gateman of heaven

Image123: Christianity offers the best explanation on the nature of man, the origin of sin and of man.

Dumbest thing I've read this week

Divepen: sorry,but iv got to mark you off

Off course I expect nothing more from you but I'll continue doing my duty as a child of Orunmila.
I'll preach Imo, Ogbon ati Oye
It's left to you to research yourself and believe wat u like.

The same way u refuse to believe me that's how muslims don't believe u

You are all the same

Foly the Bible isn't that bad
It falls into Jewish spirituality and how they understand God
Let us Yoruba understand God the way our fathers did.

Divepen: Your reply does not comform with the topic but if you want to know

Brotherly,Muslims serve the moon god not God...
They are practicing what is not suppose to be...
The word allah is gotten from alilah which was shortend in Premohammed era...because there were more 300 gods in Arabia but Allah seems to have supremacy among them and that is where he got the name....Allah which means the deity,most supremed god...

Another you should is that Mohammed's Father was has allah as part of their names...The fact those Pagans could give their children Allah is a clear proof that he was a god not God almighty

You do realize that's how Yahweh started

Abraham worshipped one of the numerous gods of his village, but he also recognized other gods.

El is the supreme God in pre-judaic canaanland and all semitians shared the same belief. The religion is called Semitism it came to an end during the time of Moses.

So don't u dare raise christianity or judaism above Islam.

You all started off as pagan spiritualities

vanhelsing: Sir,Let us assume the flood really did happen and the ark rested on Mt. Ararat..how did the Lions of the serengeti make there way to tanzania? Or the kangaroos of Australia? Did they swim through the large body of water that separates their present habitat and mt.ararat? I'm sure the bible didn't make provisions for these discrepancies.
you'd realize the earth is not a piece of neatly connected land mass.

Good point.
Though other ethnic groups apart from the Jews claim a Great flood occurred but it's unreasonable to think it happen over the whole world, or that only one family survived

Rossikk: Sorry but I completely disagree with what you have written. The bible is NOT about love. It is about blinding people to the true unconditional love of the Creator. It promotes violence, prejudice, hatred, discrimination, and vengeance. The New Testament is a fabrication. Its authorship is unknown. There is no evidence that an actual "Jesus Christ" ever existed. There is a lot wrong with the Jewish bible, and there is absolutely no reason why it should hold prime position in any person's life in my view. Your allusions to Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, Sodom and Gomorrah and other such things are merely your worship of Jewish myths (cultural imperialism). Have your own people no creation stories? Why are you propagating Jewish stories over your own stories? There is no reason why you should know more about Jewish history than your own history, or elevate it over yours. The minute you start to think that God once appeared to the Jews, Arabs, whites etc, but never to your own people, you know they've got you. China has over 2 billion people. India, 1.5 billion. Nobody in those places knows or cares about Sodom and Gomorrah or "Adam and Eve", or "Jesus". They have their own traditions and stories which they cherish. The only reason those names mean anything to you is that your ancestors were brutally invaded and colonised a century ago by people who professed a belief in those stories. Simple. No other reason. It doesn't mean any of the stories or beliefs are valid or worth the paper they're written on. If the Chinese had invaded and colonised us, we would be typing in Chinese right now, and Buddha would be our "Jesus", with many, including yourself, proclaiming him as the only saviour of all mankind. So we need to step out of the box, and stop being the puppets of imperialists.

Amazing how Christians have allowed themselves to be fooled by the Romans.
Even the Jews see Jesus as one of the numerous jewish Messiah
www.nairaland.com/1496957/jewish-messiah

"Jesus" never existed, that name was made out of error in translations of the Bible.
The Jews call him "Yeshua".
Yeshua also never existed(yeshua as portrayed by the Bible)
The real yeshua was not born of a virgin, Jews call Mary a prostitute who had an affair outside marriage.
The Jews had prophecies of certain Messiahs(Cyrus the Great of Persia was one, he was the Messiah of the Jews and helped them return to their land and rebuild their temple)

A few criteria for the Jewish Messiah which yeshua claimed to be
1. He must be a descendant of king David, through the bloodline of king Solomon
Yeshua was actually a descendant of David through the blood line of Solomon and for this the Jews thought him to be the Messiah(at least when he Iwas still little)
2. He must be ruler over Israel
3. He must lead the Israelis to build the third temple(this is why the Jews were furious at yeshua when he said he would destroy the temple and build it up in 3days, not only that they thought he was joking because it is impossible to rebuild should a temple in 3days but also because anyone who isn't the Messiah shouldn't dare make such statements.
4. The Messiah must Have a male son( yeshua was gay)
5. He must re-install the judges(probably meaning the Sahedrin)
6. He would not tolerate evil and corruption
7. Hunger and illness would end under his leadership
8. The Jews would experience eternal Joy and gladness
9. Jews all over the world shall come back to Israel
10. He would be a messenger of peace(yeshua was peaceful)
11. Nations would recognize the wrongs they did Israel
12. People of the world would turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance(this is partially happening now, as African Christians call the name of Jesus)
13. Ruined cities and stolen artifacts of Israel shall be restored
14. No more war in Israel(some say in the world)


At the birth of yeshua and as he was growing up in Nazareth some priests joyed for they thought he was the Messiah and would gather military powers such that he would deliver them from the Romans(yeshua did nothing to liberate Israel from Rome)

While others viewed Yeshua as a philosopher and spiritual teacher not into military but would deliver the Jews in a spiritual sense and bring them closer to God by interpreting the Torah better than Moses who collected it from God.


The Jews have records of numerous false Messiah
1. Judas Maccabeus: Led successful protest against antiochus seleucid empire
2. Simon of Perae:
3. Athronges: A rebel against Herod
4. Yeshua of Nazareth
5. Judas of Galilee:
6. Menahem ben Judas: Grandson of Judas of Galilee. He lead his troop in a revolt against Agrippa the 2nd.
7. Theudas:
8. Titus Vespas: A Roman emperor who flavius josephus claimed to be the Messiah
9. John of Gischala: He lead the Israelis in the first war against the Romans.
10. Moses of Crete: claimed to be reincarnation of Moses, he lead many Jews to the red sea, many of whom drowned. He escaped and hid himself.
11. Abu Isa: Claimed to be instructed by God to free the Israelis from the threat of the Persians.
12. Serene the Christian: Born in Syria, converted to judaism and preached believing to be the Messiah. The Jews at the time paid tithes to him
13. David Alroy: He claimed to be the Messiah and wanted his first mission to be to free the Jews from Moslem invasions. He was killed in his sleep
14. Asher Kay: A German philosopher claimed to be the forerunner of the Messiah who would appear in few months. After his death his followers worshipped him as the Messiah.
15. Sabbatai leader of the sabbateans: An Israeli Jew turned Muslim
16. Jacob Joseph Frank: claimed to be the reincarnation of David
17. Eve Frank: daughter of JJF, claimed to be the reincarnation of Mary and second manifestation of God.
18. Goel Ratzon: the last to claim to be the Messiah, he had healing powers and lived with his 32 wives and 89 children.

kingoflag: No! Obama and Cameron know better than to try to be divisive or see as dropping their country's problems at God's doorstep instead of tackling it themselves.

Don't mind the ill brained mumu.
Some Christians are so dumb to think they can just lay problems to God and act all lazy towards their lives.

Jonathan as really fallen my hand with this pilgrimage

eyen nyin: This shows the state of mind and the reasoning of our leaders. The solutions to Nigeria's problems are not in a tomb in far away Israel but in personal integrity, analytical thinking, vision, God fearing, hardwork n determination. Jonathan looks like someone who's been taken captive by these sweer-tongued pastors. At this point of our wasted years, Nigeria deserves a philosopher president to lead us to the knowledge age. Peace.

This best fits a pagan or an atheist
Because all these Abrahamics are too slave minded to lead anyone, it's like a blind man leading a blind man