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When we have a good governor in Oyo now, unlike the nonsense Ajimobi who wanted to tear Ibadan apart

Beautiful people learning a beautiful language

fratermathy:
Did you even read the details of his interview?

The problem with nairaland comments these days is that people rush to comment based on headlines alone.

Serious intellectual problem in this country

So many people didn't read or didn't understand the contents of the post

Stealthwalker:
The guy is not only the most talent modern day musician in nigeria but also the smartest. See how he just said he would rather bring Americans to Africa rather than bringing Africa to America, burna boy is truly great. Grammy loading

You were the first post that actually understood the op.
Other posters just read the title of the thread and rushed to comment

CrimeKsmart:
Now you saw my post as an attack but I never meant any offense. Our culture is important to us too but any aspect of culture that contradicts Islam should be abandoned. I dnt know what your religion says o but in Islam, you dnt associate partner with Allah.

Islam cannot come from far away Saudi Arabia to tell Yoruba what is good and what is not.

My culture doesn't need validation from a religion that did not originate from my part of the world. Of course Islam being foreign will have things that don't go together with Yoruba culture, but Yoruba culture cannot and will not be rididicled any further because some Arabs and their slaves in Africa dont like it...
Learn to free yourself from hate

CrimeKsmart:
Seriously I didn't mean to attack the yorubas but this is why northerners don't trust an average Yoruba Muslim. How can you believe in oneness of Allah and still indulge in all these traditional and fetish festivals. It contradicts the teachings of Islam.

I can categorically say that this is the major reason why we do not like the Muslims from Yoruba land to lead prayer in the north. Though we have a good numbers of Yorubas who dnt mix up their religion with any other thing but they are very rare to find.

I still love Yorubas regardless of their religion cos they are accommodating and good loving people.

We don't care for your fake love.

Yoruba are a pure African people proud of our heritage and we love our ancestors and keep honoring them, our tolerance of foreign religions shows that we are above hate.

You in the North can be arab slaves and lose the connection to your ancestors all you like that is your business. Yorubaland belongs to the ancestors

And if being Muslim means dropping everything that makes a Yoruba man who he is, then Islam is not worth it.. Nothing is worth the lose of a beautiful identity as yoruba

gregyboy:
I know you wont be able to defend it nevertheless if i begin to defend the claims
that benin art date to the 12c i would only come out with mere claims from different scholars with no sculpture to prove it ....and thats what you have been giving me mere claims of scholars record not fact not evidence if i am to go that road just as you i will be an hypocrite of my own judgement
The oldest sculpture found in benin date 14c just thesame as ife oldest artwork this lives me a question which is oldest
Mind you don't come here and write ife terracotta works they are pure works of assumptions

I read trough the links thanks i want you to that often but you dont when you intend hiding the truth....

You were correct on the fact that ife knew some(not all as some were seen by Chance) of the location of their art works
Just as the olokon head and i got to read that the ooni and the custodian of the olokon shrine
Sold this art work to the German man who did the excavation it took the help of the britsh to return it ....haha

Little wonder why igbos and hausas refers to yorubas as slaves


Note if you can answer my previous question dont quote me anymore and mind you dont go around saying you defeated me and i ran


Regarding the second link it state that the sculpture rep a king of 11c or 12c which means it was not certain it was an account told by someone no research was done to determine the exact years of the artwork...

Did you see that approval i screenshot for you with stamp was there anything like 12 to 15c dont give me that please give me real date

I just left because you wont answer the question untill then

. Wtf.. Is this all the response you have to that beautiful post?


I was actually blown away with "with stamp was there"
what exactly is the cause of the complete intellectual deficiency of this Bini people

These bini people really looking for enemies up and down and they just might get one out of the Yoruba if they continue with this attitude and will need to be taught a lesson so they can shut up. Tiny insignificant people really becoming pests to everyone

FOLYKAZE:
Waoh. Kilode...you know me before? See brutality.

I have dropped the topic and forgotten about it. Thanks Baba for bringing this up again.

Urrrrggg where do we start

Please tell us about Isokun... We can discuss Ogun/calcium been metal on a new thread. Thank you

If you are expecting anything from those 3, forget it

People that should be taken care of in a psychiatric ward

Isokun is Isaac
These fools actually do not know that Isaac is just English transliteration where it is actually supposed to be Yishach. So the question should be what concerns Isokun with Yishach (which BTW means He who laughs)

Meritocracy:
Who voted them, I'm Yoruba and this group of people don't have any impact on Yoruba race, they are just there claiming money with Yoruba name. How many Yoruba youth had they give scholarship or alleviate his or her poverty, they only surface during election period to deceive politicians.

When have you heard Akintoye's name in association with corruption or taking money during election period?

The man doesn't even concern himself with mainstream Nigerian politics.. He is only ever concerned about Yoruba issues

ornicus:
adebanji akintoye [ a name i am just hearing for the first time ] - leader of afenifere [ claiming leader of Yoruba ]

an unknown from a group of irrelevant old men who have no say in politics of the SW beyond noisemaking

let him enjoy his meaningless ceremonial title. Tinubu enjoys the actual power

end of story

You haven't heard of Akintoye because you don't read books
Because you don't attend Yoruba meetings
Because you don't concern yourself with Yoruba issues

CHIDOHSKI:
U are unredeemably hopeless. The world is talking about technological advancement u are defending the course of idol worshiping in the name of culture
How many jobs opportunity the lifeless idols u and ur people adore have created

You are one idiott though, so now it's about technological advancement? Tell me what technological advancement your Bible and pastors have given this country
Rather than focus on building a culture-tourism sector this country is building churches and mosques in every street.. Things that serve no problem
Not to mention the knowledge we can obtain from several traditional sources to build other sectors

Igbosmoker:
These cone heads are one of the most cunny race on earth, Yoruba's was nothing before the European came. Envy go kill una last last, your lies and changing of history will only end on nairaland. The Benin history and culture is well known and documented, no amount of cone heads Fulani slaves narratives will change it

Show me a document before the reign of Oba Erediuwa stating Oduduwa was from Benin

The fact that Benin history is "well documented" as you say is the exact reason saying oduduwa is from Benin is such a ridiculous thing to say as there is no document that says so

Igbosmoker:
Yoruba's mumu sha, how can Benin invite you people to rule over us? Isn't this the dumbest thing ever?
Odudduwa was a banished Benin prince, we took his heir back(get it into your cone heads)

It's not enough to claim oduduwa was a Benin prince.
Let's see evidence

And Benin can invite people for assistance in time of crisis like any country will. And that is exactly what happened

goalernestman:
One thing about oduduwa and Benin is. Please think about this yoursef.

Why will a Benin chifs travel all down from Benin to ife to beg ododuwa for a ruler without him conquering Benin, I even heard that ododuwa drove them away and they have to come beg another time before he could agree to give them his son

Just like the Eastern Slavs invited the Vikings to send delegates to form a stable government for them...thereby founding the Kievan Rus

Some chiefs of Igodomigo invited Ife to help set up a stable government in a time of crisis.. Thereby founding Bini.
That was why Oranmiyan was rather unconcerned and ready to leave because all that crisis in igodomigo was just not his problem. If his coming to igodomigo was on the basis of being a descendant of the ogiso, he wouldn't have left his father's throne for Ogiamien. We saw Oranmiyan return to Ife to become king there largely on the grounds that the person on the throne wasn't from the "legitimate" lineage.
So why would the same Oranmiyan who took his lineage seriously, abandoned the ogiso throne if that lineage was connected to him?

Rather Oranmiyan stayed at Usama, a very tiny area where he called himself Oba not Ogiso or Ogie. He left his palace at Usama in anger and on his way he stopped at Ego where he impregnated the princess there
If not for this unplanned pregnancy the Ọba Dynasty would not have existed at all

Fortunately for you guys, Oranmiyan's descendant Ewedo put an end to the crisis by defeating Ogiamien and coming into an agreement with him (Ekiopagha treaty)

Acidosis:
LMAO

You will never understand the things of the spirit because they're not meant for mere and natural men like you who believe a mere man like you that died some hundred years ago is somewhere praying for you. Worst of, you believe those dead ancestors who couldn't help themselves while on earth are somewhere (Where by the way??) feasting on your sacrifice (palm oil and yam abi)

Asides f00lishness, what else would make a man with senses offer his so called late fathers yam, red oil, dead goat and all kinds of disgusting/fetish stuff to eat?

You won't understand the Abrahamic linkage no matter how much I try, and guess what? I'm not willing to explain to you or anyone else with your mindset. Those days are over. So suck it up

things of the spirit. What spirituality exists in Christianity? A religion that has no respect for nature, a religion that has no regard for one's link to the earth and the universe around us.
A religion that tells you to disconnect from your progenitors and cut your self away from your ancestry. Is that spirit?

Real spirituality exists in African traditions. Feeling of self worth, self realization, connection to the universe and one's higher consciousness

You fool wants to talk to me about things of the spirit? Lmao

Your stupid dead jew that couldn't save himself from ordinary boyscouts
Could your gay Jesus save himself?

Oh, don't get me started on the nonsense ritual of eating Jesus's flesh and drinking his blood.. Stupid fetish you dumb Christians have

I'm sure you don't even know who your family lineage descend from but you are here calling yourself child of Abraham totally disconnected from your inner self

CHIDOHSKI:
Yoruba and their idolatry eeh. Even some of the general overseers of some churches here in Yoruba land will participate that's why I can't attend any Church founded by a Yoruba man.

Spoken like a fool

You should be sad that your people have lost their history and culture. Instead of trying to revive what you've lost and reconnect with your ancestors

fanysteve:
Hell Fire awaits all of you, Rubbish demons

Master of hell fire �
Grand gate keeper

Acidosis:
May my generation and lineage never be a part of any tradition or festival dedicated to idols and bloody sacrifices.

The blood of Jesus has been made an atonement for all that I need to pay.

Therefore, my life forbids sacrifices to idols, shedding of blood of animals or humans to the wild and cursed son (Ishmael) Abraham had with Haggar in Egypt, and his aggressive descendants of the Middle East, to the Moon, Stars, Atmosphere, and other things or places that were created by the one that was never created.

My generation will not/never partake, donate to, or get involved with any form of idol worshipping. I will not shed blood under any circumstance to appease an unseen god.

Though a descendant and a shareholder of the Abrahamic altars in Shechem, Bethel and Hebron, I have become a greater partaker of the blessings made available by the mediator of the new covenant.

I'm all for Jesus'!

You are so lost and filled with so much hate.

You Christians lie and pretend as if your religion is one of love just as Muslims lie that Islam is a religion of peace
But you are not of love but immense hate and intolerance

Worse is that you hate yourself. Imagine you calling yourself (an African, a black man/woman) descendant of Abraham.. Lmao
You think this Abraham gave a damn about you? You think some Jewish ancestor can love you more than your own ancestors?

Chidorx60:
I love all other Yoruba cultural except their idolatry, Go and hug transformer if u feel I shouldn't,
Idiot, defender of all the lifeless idols,
I fully grasp the fact that you are a madman, reasonable Yoruba folks will easily understand that my dislike for idolatry is general and not only towards Yoruba people, but its an impossibility for a fool like u to comprehend.

Buffon go back to the shrine u came from,we are not on the same level at all.

By the way,I'm not abusing u,
but I'm only describing u for lack of better words to use in the most honest manner.

Lmao I should go and hug transformer on top my own culture? Ọmọ ale ni bọbọ yi ṣa
It is not your place to dictate to me, my people don't depend on your love.. Fake love for that matter.
You don't come saying you love a culture and attack its foundation.. You are so stupid

Your father and all your fraudsters called pastors are not on my level. Idiotic fool thinks being a traditionalist is to be a low life.. I told you, keep displaying your idiocy and ignorance. it does not bother me at all
There are traditionalists in all spheres, in academia, business, music everywhere doing good. So you fool yourself to think you are above me in class... imagine a slave without a culture, a slave that does not know his ancestors, you want to talk about who is above who? Who tha heck are you? A foul hateful idiot that has no ancestry, no usefulness to his people, no connection to the land he lives, a lost soul with no home in the world.. A damned slave
And you want to talk about levels.. Oloshi

Go and deal with the idolatry in your Christianity, deal with the fraud and deceit of your pastors before you talk about my culture. I can't even talk about yoir culture, because you have none, totally disconnected from his spirit loser of life, uncultured swine

You idiotic bastards have taken the tolerance and kindness of traditionalist for granted for too long

Chidorx60:
This is the last time I'm replying that brain dead ancestral spirit called macof,
Their are better things to do than waste my time on a babalawo,

May the evangelist in ur region convert u and if u decide to pose a threat against the work of God,u will surely suffer judgement together with ur father the Devil.

I am far from brain dead but you have been brainwashed. The only problem here is with your state of mind.. A state of mind that has been cleared off all sense of its identity, an uncultured mind, creating a personality of hatred and intolerance
You are menace to human coinhabitation of this beautiful planet, a person who cannot read a thread of people celebrating their culture and leave.. Must you display your hatred? Must you attack people? Must you insult people who know much more about life than your stupid fraudster pastors will ever do?
Can't you read and pass? Hate is what your religion breeds,... Worse hatred against yourself
This very culture you attack is much like yours, because I'm sure you are African, I suspect igbo
But you are disconnected from your igbo ancestors and have nothing of them, you belong nowhere in the world, a lost soul of no usefulness, you have used your own hand to eliminate yourself... Because what are you without an identity? What are you without an heritage = you are a common slave.
What are you when you insult your ancestors, a bastard

It is that very devil that is your father, in fact your father and your useless pastors are devils

Chidorx60:
I just realized that I was talking to an everlasting slowpoke ,
My God, social media have really allowed babarians to interact with normal people,
Who cares about ur non beneficial native wood and stone works in your grandfathers farm,
I can really see that you lack any atom of sense,what more can I expect from a follower of chalks and kolanuts.

Don't ever in ur miserable life quote me,I'm not in ur level of mental reasoning okay,
Their are enough babalawos to banter words with ,idiot.

Still displaying your idiocy. Typical of a stupid dead jew worshipper
It is your pastor and your stupid family that are barbarians, I mean obviously, that is why you have no respect for people's culture because you have none.

I don't need you to care about me or anything concerning the Yoruba that's the point, I see you are too idiotic to comprehend that. You bastard liar, why did you lie that you love the Yoruba culture then turn around to say who cares?? Very useless slowpoke like his gay idiot master from Israel
I see through all your lies. Take your hate disguised as love and shove it up your pastor's asss. Oponu

Chidorx60:
It is people like u that end up disgracing the great image of the Yoruba people,
Should I really be borthered by the hugwash u posted above,
I don't have time to waste on a person who can relate Christianity with idols so I advice u to take ur confusion elsewhere .

You must be a foolish idiott who cares about what you think about my people? Fuvk off with your half baked love for Yoruba culture.

And yes, Christianity is even more of idolatry than you think my culture is.
If you don't like the word "idolatry" so much maybe you should stop using it on other people.
And I bet this fool is African that comes from a culture not so different from that of the Yorubas... Yet the Bastard is calling Yoruba culture idolatry. Your father there. Olosi oloriburuku
Enough of all this bullying from Christians. Traditionalists have stopped keeping quiet for you Bastard slaves

you seem focused on his identity rather than on his speech. So if a non Yoruba tells you good morning, you will assume it is 5 pm ? You are right about the lack of brain cells in Nigeria and also about bigotry. I hope you realize that you are far from immune.
Also, not everybody on nairaland lives in Nigeria or is Nigerian.

your post is so useless and stupid. It doesn't deserve a decent response from me
Oh good you deleted your account. Hopefully this forum is free from one more iidiot

Chidorx60:
I love the Yoruba culture,
But still a pity that upon the great work of God through many of their indigenes,
Idolatry is still a core part of their culture,may God save us all.

Idolatry is a core part of Christianity. So shut up
Go and learn the meaning of idol
The origin of the word and its most proper usage
There is no greater Form of idolatry like that found in Christianity

You don't love Yoruba culture. There is no Yoruba without our òrìṣà
So you can't see you love Yoruba culture but complain about the foundation of said culture
You only make yourself appear idiotic

ucham:
As a neutral observer, all i can say is that the bini guys on this thread have brought verifiable facts to substantiate their claim. I don't know how anybody can dispute written documented fact.

A neutral observer in a non intellectual country like Nigeria that is filled with ethnic bigots?
You must be kidding. A neutral observer would rather say nothing, because your remark would only fuel the conflict

edeXede:
I dont know where you get your facts but historically,he had only one biological son. Except of course he adopted some. That seems plausible

I can mention a few biological sons of Odudua
Ogboroganlada, Ogun, Sopasan, Owa Ooye, Ajibogun
There are more but these ones are sure and are just the popular kings... There is also Obadio in Ife who people outside ife don't know his importance

You can read "history of yorubaland" by Gbade Aladeojebi and Kingdoms of the Yoruba by Robert S. Smith for a brief overview of the foundation of many Yoruba towns and cities.

The idea that Odudua had only one son is outdated and not propagated by any historian today as it has been long revealed to be false.

edeXede:
But Oduduwa only gave birth to one son, Okanbi. Who is Oduyale again

Well in fairness to the OP, Odùduwà had numerous sons
Not all became popular kings

This is too unstructured and inconsistent with already established facts in Yoruba history.

And what's this about "he was considered to be a demon"?? What is demon in Yoruba?

nisai:
I swear that guy na olodo and mumu combine.

He's a known iidiot on this forum

BUTTERMILKSUGAR:
History belongs to no one. History is just a story...
Once you die that's it. you mean the Oba of Benin failed in his duty to protect a protectorate that pledged allegiance to it. What was he looking at when Lagos was being bombarded by the "white enemy"? When the Oba of Lagos stopped remitting tributes why didn't the Oba of Benin send his entourage to go and fight him and depose him from the throne?

lol.
Good question

Mkokelvin:
my point is that. We need to know our root. It defines our future.

People of Lagos know their roots. Thank you for your concern.

Those who are descended from Bini know themselves,
Those who are descended from Ife who own the lands know themselves
Those descended from Ekiti, Oyo and other parts of yorubaland know themselves

One thing is certain, no matter the case, native Lagosians are yoruba

prolog3111:
You are an incredible hack. Giving me historical documents which validate your claims would take less time than your latest response if such documents exist.
But they don't so all you can do is yap and yap and not produce proof. For years now, you have been making unfounded claims. No proof, just claims and claims and more claims...When asked for proof, well you start insulting like the crook you are. If you want to have an intellectual discussion, which you don't seem to be able to hold, then you need to produce first hand knowledge rather than constantly quoting others and asking interlocutors to take it up with those whom you quote. This only shows your place in any debate would be best occupied by those whom you quote rather than yourself. In other words, you are a toddler trying to play with the big boys. Keep your mouth shot and ask those whom you quote to answer the call. Then I would destroy them like I did destroy you many many many times.

doing the only thing you know - trolling

You asked for my source, I gave you two.

End of story boy