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erico2k2:
this was how one bross on here said he lived in London. wen I asked him what part of london he said Birmingham ����

erico2k2:
lol that guy for go anywhere nahhh camp home dey

Don't mind him and his likes. Bragging and boasting in ignorance, arrogantly displaying their inferiority complex on NL

philipstanley:
Yeah

Yeah what?

Plead:
Ogbeni there are many ultra modern metro trains in SA.

Abuja has one too.

No need arguing with you.

Name the ultra modern metro trains in SA. Bros I was in SA between 2015 to early 2018. Tell me the one I missed

Plead:
It’s not my fault that you’ve never left the shores of Nigeria.

I would be prouder to have never left the shores of Nigeria and not fake it. You obviously have never and your attempt to fake it falls entirely. Bros. You have never been to America nor South Africa, else you will know that Gautrain and Amtrak are two classic examples whose trains are no different

9jaDoomCountry:
The last time I visited Europe these are what I saw and entered.

NL liars and braggarts. Which country is your "Europe", what is the train service? where did it take you to? Mars?

Plead:
America doesn’t use these kind of old fashioned trains...even South Africa and Ethiopia has better trains.

....and you came to this conclusion from watching America, South Africa and Ethiopia on TV?

philipstanley:

Okoroawusa: :
Standing in the scorching sun to vote President Muhammad Buhari in 2015 n again in 2019 has been one of the best decisions I have ever made in my life.

I don't ever regret it.

Why will you regret when you are blind and your conscious is dead

What about his "sub-conscious"? we can relate with that one na

NaijaRoyalty:
Still on 1982 train coaches

And some people celebrating this old school shit..

South Africa that is using the new modern fast trains get two heads?

Lets wait till Zimbabwean's see this bullshit

1. Thank God some of us have been on Gautrain and can tell you it is this exact trains in use.
2. Zimbabweans are all over twitter praising Nigeria for this achievement. Are you living in Mars?

Okoroawusa:
Standing in the scorching sun to vote President Muhammad Buhari in 2015 n again in 2019 has been one of the best decisions I have ever made in my life.

I don't ever regret it.

Me too Bro.

I flew in from SA a day after 2015 election, but was so glad I didn't miss 2019.

Lipscomb:
When are we gonna have a modern day railway. I'm tired of seeing this local railway.

Brotherly,

Feel free to excuse yourself when the trains become commercialized...

RemarkableMind:
That someone "must" speak in tongue to evident the dwelling of the Holy Ghost is nonsense and un-biblical. It is people like you and others who are complete ignorant of the working of the plan of God within and outside the Gospel that confuses others, and belittle the power of the Christian faith.

My Brother,

God bless you abundantly for your submission, especially this part up here. I think the concordance of the Gifts and the Fruits of the Holy Spirit is not understood by many in Church today. How the many people even leaders have equated speaking in tongues as the (only) the evidence of the Holy Spirit in a Christian beats my imagination.

densiks:
You failed in your attempt to address a non existent ‘misconstruction’ according to your words because in the paragraph you lifted from my submission if you read between the lines
You can find this;

...”howbeit he was concerned about the wrong use or demonstration of the gift or manifestation of the use of tongues”

On that note,I had abundantly highlighted that there was a case of abuse of the use of tongues and before Paul addressed that issue,he also made it clear that he spoke in tongues more than all of them giving credence to my submission which clearly highlighted the importance and power of tongues without prejudice to it’s appropriate usage especially in corporate meetings.

If you must join issues with me then read carefully and exhaust the relevant points before attempting to hastily correct what is apparently not there.

On the issue of fostering healthy debate in the subject in quest,the response I made was followed point by point from the poster I responded to, you can also avail yourself of between the line reading.

Selah

For someone who took another person's submission and countered with "misconceptions,misleading and disingenuous falsehood...... " I find it rich coming from you that you had "abundantly highlighted" points. I wonder if you're in a healthy debate with someone and your first lines is to attack persons before laying down points, what that says about your disposition to healthy debate.

Yes. TOTAL misconstruction. I do not expect you accept anyways but let me ask some few questions further

18I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

1 Cor 14: 18-19; this was the scripture you quoted in part with the below submission shey?

From the foregoing,it is abundantly clear that speaking in tongues is an important,powerful and edifying component of the new covenant believers life amongs several other uses for which I will not delve into on this occasion.

Pray tell, what part of the passage makes it abundantly clear or reinforces the notion of speaking in tongues as powerful and edifying? This is a simple case of Paul's explicating the lower relevance of speaking in tongues in a larger assembly as compared with prophesy/saying things with meaning. This is how some of you quote scriptures out of context giving it different meaning (i dare your personal views) from what the scriptures tells (MISCONSTRUCTION).

Join issues with you? I am not so disposed to people who seemingly overate themselves. I do not need to re-read your positions (which I read with diligent care before making my analysis). If you cannot make debates without this unnecessary edge, then........

sunkieisland:
You have certainly read the wrong thing in my church leadership analysis. I meant someone leading a church or group of people is obligated to interpret in order to edify the people he leads but on a personal level, he doesn't have to be worried about interpretation of the tongues because the speaking process is self-edifying

Actually not worrying about interpretation is not exclusively restricted to "leadership" either spiritual or church-wise. Anyone who is gifted with tongues speaks in private prayers needs no interpretation as his spirit communes directly with God. That you're a spiritual leader does not give any leverage on tongue speaking in church; speaking in tongue is personal edification and serves little purpose for a church assembly if there's no interpretation. I believe this is already rested in Paul's explanation to the Corinthians.

I do not think there is any attempt to "rubbish" speaking in tongues, but this debate (healthy I believe) is to understand it and situate as bible places it and not what it is not. Let me address some few misconstruction I see in your argument

densiks:
It is also worthy of mention that the Apostle Paul who wrote about two thirds of the New Testament emphasized the importance and need of speaking in tongues when he expressed that he spoke in tongues more than the people who were in the Corinthian church howbeit he was concerned about the wrong use or demonstration of the gift or manifestation of the use of tongues; as can be found in the scripture

“1 Corinthians 14;18
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:”

From the foregoing,it is abundantly clear that speaking in tongues is an important,powerful and edifying component of the new covenant believers life amongs several other uses for which I will not delve into on this occasion.

The foregoing as submitted by Paul was not in context to stress the importance, power and edifying component. It is rather to lay the comparative usefulness of speaking of tongues to the person and to the church. How come you out chapter 19 "....Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue".... which gives the completion of Paul's statement and context "[i]I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all ”[/i]

Emax911:
please u r deviating, I don't like that... u said I used insultive word's and u can't quote such words.... I laugh


according to my research

O se! Researcher aye!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=shut+up+means&oq=shut+up+means&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.5571j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Is it rude to say shut up?
The phrase is probably a shortened form of "shut up your mouth" or "shut your mouth up". Its use is generally considered rude and impolite, and may also considered a form of profanity by some.

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sunkieisland:
Just like you quoted

The writer of that verse is a church leader, an apostle and someone people look up to for spiritual leadership.

So his position about speaking in tongues is justified as a person leading others. But the verse 18 also communicates his personal activities on the subject matter.

If you are not a church leader or spiritual leader, I don't think it's a good idea to criticize speaking in tongues personally or in church.

After all, it's a spiritual matter and to what extent can your mind comprehend Spiritual mysteries if you are critical about one spiritual thing like Tongues.

Shalom to you

#TeamKabasch

I find your submission here somewhat weird!

1. From Verses 6-12 Paul absolutely clarified the usefulness or otherwise of speaking in tongue to a large assembly as against in person. Verse 12 spoke to their eagerness for the gifts of the spirit and Paul's encouragement and guidance for them to focus on those that build up the church.
2. You came out as presenting a difference between speaking and praying in tongues and that one is of greater value, using verse 14 to strengthen the argument that the mind disconnects. This I find wrong and twist as verse 14 is a continuation from 12 up to 17. Paul clarified that speaking in tongues profit the assembly little and is of no value if there is none to interpret
3. @the bolded and underlined, I find it ridiculous. Paul was not speaking in isolation in verse 18 and his personal activities was used to buttress his point on what should be personal and what should be used in the general assembly. Despite affirming speaking in tongues as a gift of the spirit, and his having of the gift more than any of the people in the congregation, yet in verse 19 he asserts that it is of no value to the church as they are unintelligible and thus meaningless to them.
4. What do you mean if you are not a church leader or spiritual leader? I am not so what? I cannot read and interpret my bible? It makes me less of the person in the spirit or I do not have the Holy Spirit in me? These sounds like an indoctrination statement where some "leaders" brainwash people to think they have the exclusive preserve of the understanding of the scriptures. What is important is What does the scripture say?

Akharmony:
Edifies the body of christ...

NO. Edifies only self....

TOPCRUISE:
Is it a must for a christian to speak in togues

Absolutely NOT. 1 Cor 12: 30.....Do all speak in tongues?

Emax911:
please is SHUT UP an insult and read my statement again and pick 0.1 insultive words

Oh! you mean you're just warming up?

That aside, why will you wish someone to Shut up in a debate? Is it for want of cerebral content?

sunkieisland:
I was expecting to read an exposé that clearly distinguishes speaking in tongues and praying in tongues.

But I think the simplest explanation is Speaking in tongues requires interpretation for the church to blessed; which implies that Speaking in tongues plus interpretation equals PROPHECY.

Praying in tongues on the other is personal matter with the Holy ghost. That is why the Bible says "when I pray in other tongues, my spirit prays but my comprehension is useless"


So don't criticize people that pray in tongues that what they are speaking is incomprehensible. The Bible clearly talks about the tongues of men and of angels. So if the person praying in the tongues doesn't have understanding, wetin be your own?

It's his or her business with the Holy Spirit. I've read several testimonies about the benefits of praying in tongues.


#TeamKabasch

I think it is important that you situate the bolded in the full context of what Paul explained. This part you lifted twists the explanation, so I took the trouble to post from Verses -6-18 below

6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.

13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16 Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,[d] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17 You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.

18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Offpoint:
The pentecostal tongue speaking, which is speaking languages of other tribes is the only acceptable language...

Whatever anyone is speaking today is not a tongue.

There's no point speaking language neither you or your congregation knows the meaning... How the hell then did you know your talking to God when you have no idea what you're saying?

It is biblicaly factual to speak or pray in tongues. 1 Cor 14:2 It is a gift of the Holy Spirit.... Paul actually ascertain that you commune with God/Holy Spirit speaking in tongues. What is misconstrued to me is appropriating what it is not to it, making speaking in tongues the absolute of Holy Spirit filling relegating other more beneficial gifts of the spirit to the background

Emax911:
its obvious u don't Know the Bible because before Jesus left earth he had said he will give us that power( his disciples), he said he has to leave for the holy spirit to come...if u can't comprehend or understand the Bible, ASK and if not



SHUT UP

Bros,

How do you find it convenient to engage in a Christian debate and freely drop insults?

Youngzedd:
Around A.D. 170, the church excommunicated Montanus and the two prophetess (Priscilla and Maximilla) for their prophesies and doing what many are doing today, that's speaking in a language others don't understand (speaking in tongues). Montanism was named after Montanus. He was opposed using Matthew 7:15. The Catholic Church (Not Roman Catholic Church) saw Montanist doctrine as a threat, the bishops of Asia Minor gathered in synods and finally excommunicated the Montanists.

One of the major reason the church excommunicated them is based on the below scripture they didn't meet.

1 Corinthians 14:27-28
27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

Acts 2:6-11
6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”


Tongues of angels >> http://www.bible-speaking-in-tongues.com/tongues-of-angels.html

Speaking in tongues is a language of humans, just like Igbo, Chinese, French, Spanish, Yoruba etc, anything other than that is a sign of madness and such person requires medical attention.

I believe speaking in tongues has been misinterpreted and badly contextualized in the Christian fold and such the seeming resistance and unacceptance. My submissions are these

1. Speaking in tongues is but one of the gifts of the Holy Spirits. Unfortunately people attribute it to the (only) evidence of the holy spirit in a person.
2. Speaking in tongues is not the absolute, neither is it the most important gifts of the spirit according to Paul's exposition to the Corinthian Church. In fact in Chapter 12:31; 14:1-5, Paul equated the gift of prophesy as more valuable to the church than speaking in tongues; and encourage them to prophesy more than speaking in tongues
3. The Holy Spirit enables these gifts and manifestation of it according to his own will and purposes. The Holy Spirit MAY NOT ENABLE YOU TO SPEAK IN TONGUES. This does not mean you do not have the Holy Spirit in you
4. The argument of self edification as an advantage of speaking in tongues holds true but Paul used it in a comparative context with the edification of the Church which Prophesy provides the benefit of.

Of all these argues, these gifts would be USELESS if we do not allow it to work out in us the FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT - Galatians 5:22-23

Karleb:

Ebus12: :



But that will make him more aggressive bro

You are thinking like a kid.

It'll make him stop. Your mum would warn him or tell someone to warn him. No matter how ferocious he is, he still respects someone. All she need do is tell his parents to warn him.


Call your mum now!

Nothing will make him stop. A beater is and always is a beater. His parents should live up to their responsibility and let this guy live either on campus or rent him an apartment. How on earth in this day and age will you entrust your child in the hands of other people under the stupid excuse of "they are family"? I say get this guy out of there now...

Ebus12:
I don't want to disturb my mum about it ... It might cause problem between she and her sister
I don't want to be the cause of anyone's quarrel with another person.
.

Out of all you stated this is the most annoying.... is it until he causes you irreversible damage (God forbid) before you cry out? You better insist on getting 1-bedroom apartment and get your sanity together. Go on your own, look for a room, travel back to base and discuss with your parents. Insist that no amount of begging can make you go back....

Jaspaman:
Did he even know what he signed .

Somebody say sai baba!!

Do you know what he signed?

Obierika:
As a single guy in Nigeria who is about to select a wife the biggest mistake you could possibly make right now is to marry a lady who is either not working or is not earning any sort of income.

Do not ignore this warning if you plan to get married soon!

Flesh and blood could not have revealed this to you.....

Muckross1122:
Tacha Blasts A Blackmailer Trying To Blackmail Her With Her Edited Nude Pictures.

She Wrote:



https://www.instagram.com/p/B_PcK3JjG6k/?hl=en

Blackmail is useless. We have seen almost everything....

deri4luv1:
I thought they said it's 5G that's killing people and not Corona Virus? So why are they wearing face masks! Nonsense and ingredient

P:S
Christ Embassy members don't quote me, don't be unfortunate please.

Exactly the same question I came into this thread to find out

boladale123:
Your information is not correct,Bubu supported another guy against adeshina.
Please don't let's distort facts.

Haven't you heard that weed is dangerous to health?

2015

Buhari sends Atiku to President Zuma to lobby for Minister Adesina

Former Vice President Atiku Abubakar over the weekend commenced lobby for the candidacy of Nigeria’s Minister of Agriculture, Akinwumi Adesina as President of the African Development Bank (AfDB).

A statement issued by the Atiku Media Office in Abuja said that Atiku Abubakar’s shuttle diplomacy to shore up the much-needed support for the Nigerian candidate follows a mandate from President-elect Muhammadu Buhari to the former Vice President to leverage on his contacts to lobby for the emergence of Mr. Adesina.

President-elect Buhari, who backs the candidacy of Mr. Adesina, had last month conveyed his support to the President of Ghana, John Mahama, when the two leaders met in Abuja.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/182357-afdb-buhari-sends-atiku-to-president-zuma-to-lobby-for-minister-adesina.html

Why Buhari sends Atiku to Zuma to lobby for Adesina for AfDB presidency

Former Vice-President Atiku Abubakar, has commenced lobbying for the candidacy of the Minister of Agriculture, Dr Akinwumi Adesina as President of the African Development Bank (AfDB). FA statement issued by Malam Garba Shehu in Abuja on Saturday said Atiku’s shuttle diplomacy to drum support for the Nigerian candidate followed a mandate from the President-elect, Gen. Muhammadu Buhari.

According to the statement, Buhari asked Atiku to leverage on his contacts to lobby for the emergence of Adesina. Buhari, who backs the candidacy of Adesina, had last month conveyed his support to the President of Ghana, John Mahama, when the two leaders met in Abuja.

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/05/buhari-sends-atiku-to-zuma-to-lobby-for-adesina-for-afdb-presidency/

2019

AfDB President: Buhari nominates Adesina for re-election

President Muhammadu Buhari has nominated Dr Akinwunmi Adesina for re-election as the President of African Development Bank the News Agency of Nigeria reports.

Akinwunmi, while speaking at an event in Lagos on Sunday, appreciated Buhari for nominating him for re-election for a second term as president of the bank.

https://reignitepa.ng/buhari-nominates-adesina-for-re-election-as-afdb-president/

boladale123:
Your information is not correct,Bubu supported another guy against adeshina.
Please don't let's distort facts.

Haven't you heard that weed is dangerous to health?

2015

Buhari sends Atiku to President Zuma to lobby for Minister Adesina

Former Vice President Atiku Abubakar over the weekend commenced lobby for the candidacy of Nigeria’s Minister of Agriculture, Akinwumi Adesina as President of the African Development Bank (AfDB).

A statement issued by the Atiku Media Office in Abuja said that Atiku Abubakar’s shuttle diplomacy to shore up the much-needed support for the Nigerian candidate follows a mandate from President-elect Muhammadu Buhari to the former Vice President to leverage on his contacts to lobby for the emergence of Mr. Adesina.

President-elect Buhari, who backs the candidacy of Mr. Adesina, had last month conveyed his support to the President of Ghana, John Mahama, when the two leaders met in Abuja.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/182357-afdb-buhari-sends-atiku-to-president-zuma-to-lobby-for-minister-adesina.html

Why Buhari sends Atiku to Zuma to lobby for Adesina for AfDB presidency

Former Vice-President Atiku Abubakar, has commenced lobbying for the candidacy of the Minister of Agriculture, Dr Akinwumi Adesina as President of the African Development Bank (AfDB). FA statement issued by Malam Garba Shehu in Abuja on Saturday said Atiku’s shuttle diplomacy to drum support for the Nigerian candidate followed a mandate from the President-elect, Gen. Muhammadu Buhari.

According to the statement, Buhari asked Atiku to leverage on his contacts to lobby for the emergence of Adesina. Buhari, who backs the candidacy of Adesina, had last month conveyed his support to the President of Ghana, John Mahama, when the two leaders met in Abuja.

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/05/buhari-sends-atiku-to-zuma-to-lobby-for-adesina-for-afdb-presidency/

2019

AfDB President: Buhari nominates Adesina for re-election

President Muhammadu Buhari has nominated Dr Akinwunmi Adesina for re-election as the President of African Development Bank the News Agency of Nigeria reports.

Akinwunmi, while speaking at an event in Lagos on Sunday, appreciated Buhari for nominating him for re-election for a second term as president of the bank.

https://reignitepa.ng/buhari-nominates-adesina-for-re-election-as-afdb-president/