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Maynman:
Truth is bitter

YES! It's really really bitter.
That's why you're here arguing over religion yet you don't have a religion!

Maynman:
Judaism god is the same as Christian god? You are desperate
Which god do the “house of Israel” worship?
Yes I’m a friend of the Jews, while you are a worshipper of the Jew gods

Good if you're a friend of the Jews go now and tell them that as long as they can't present the Messiah promised in their religion they have lost it!

Maynman:
The old covenant was made with their fathers, who was their father? Abraham. Which religion did Abraham practice? Judaism.. which god did Abraham worshipped? Judaist god.
Learn from the owners of the Torah.

Abraham didn't practice Judaism, that's what your atheist professors want you to think as they don't want to worship any god they want to misconstrue everything to justify their ATHEISM.

God established a covenant with Abraham but the laws Jews are killing themselves over wasn't written by then!

Maynman:
Which god was he worshipping with the Jews? Judaist god or Christian god? Established a new covenant with a different god? You are just picking a random verse in the Torah to justify your Jesus.. read the whole verses to know or learn from the owners of the books you are quoting(Judaism, Torah)

God never changed it's only the way he dealt with people of different generations that changes as i've told you so if you're still obsessed with different gods that's your cup of coffee!

Ask your Jewish friends how many laws God gave Adam and Eve, Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Then you will learn that it's the same God but He deals with people of different generations differently!

Maynman:
Then why did this new Christians add another god religion to their collection of books? Who do they understand Abraham as? A worshipper of Judaist god?
When Jesus was alive he himself worshipped the gods of Abraham, Judaism.

He must first worship with the Jews before he could established the new covenant that's why he told the Samaritan woman that salvation originates with the Jews! John 4:22

So it's after he has carried along those who are attentive to the program of the God of Abraham that he could established the new covenant with them!

Maynman:
I said Jesus meant the teacher or anointed, and it’s a title. Did you intentionally miss it?

He's not here to talk about what you're saying, he purposely came against the one and only true Christian group (Jehovah's Witnesses)
So if you want to chat with him you have to change the topic to Jehovah's Witnesses otherwise he's not interested in Jesus of Nazareth!

Maynman:
You quoted time Torah meant for Judaism. What do Judaist have to say about their book

After their forefathers have abandoned the covenant God made with them through Moses God established a new covenant and it's the CHRISTIANS that welcomed it.
So God is no longer interested in natural Jews or their Judaism!

AntiChristian:
The context of the Bible shows that he was attracted by her nudity from the balcony. it is clear!

I'm not disputing the fact that he was carried away by what he saw on his balcony but he is already used to many women, that's the point.

If he has made a covenant with his eyes just as Job did {Job 31:1} he would only remember his own wife anytime he sees a woman be it nude or not! Proverbs 5:19

waldigit:
What the Holy Spirit taught and still teaches (for anyone willing to listen) is "indecent dressing" What makes Apostle Paul more respectful than many religious leaders today is his ability to discern when his opinion is from Holy Spirit and when it is from his personal opinion. As a moral being we all know what constitutes indecent dressing. Whether it's trouser, suits, wrapper, gown or whatever. When you begin to single out trousers for women as indecent dressing, then you need to ask your self whether you are indeed hearing that from Holy Spirit or just merely expressing your internalised values system like Peter was stucked to his Judaism in those early days of the Church.

Simple as ABC!

Maynman:
God never changes but his laws needs to be updated
I bet more updates are coming
Who created this imperfect humans?

You can ask your Jewish friends to interpret what was written in the Bible book of Jeremiah 31:32-34 for you:


It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, " declares the LORD. "This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ’Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

Just ask them to tell you what their God is saying in the underlined!

AntiChristian:
Was the lady in his mind before seeing her nudity?
He saw her and that tempted him.
Why didn't David masturbate if he had a fornicating mind?
The truth is clear from error!

David saw many as in different kinds of women and DESIRED THEM so it's not their nudity that drew him to go for them Sir!

BornofGod108:
Matthew 18:6
“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Amen in Jesus name!

Maynman:
Amendment means a change will happen that you didn’t foresee. So your god do change as things go, all knowing indeed.
The Torah belongs to Judaist, what do Judaist say about that Deuteronomy verse, stop forcing your agenda on that verse

God never changed but it's His way of dealing with imperfect humans that changes!

Maynman:
The Torah is the original Hebrew Bible. Christian added it to their fake bible. Learn

Jesus' followers had all the evidences pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah so let the unbelieving Jews continue waiting for the Messiah after all the Torah says a Messiah will come!

Maynman:
Look at what the Jews the owner of Judaism who was given the Torah says about your Jesus and they reject your meaning of that Deuteronomy verses to suit your Jesus agenda.

Was it written in the Torah?
What does it mean and who is the expected prophet they must listen to after Moses?


Note what verse 19 says:

Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name.

This place isn't talking about different prophets but a unique prophet in the manner of Moses.

This are the similarities between Moses and Jesus perhaps you can see any Jew to argue it.


Moses served as a God in the camp of Israel {Exodus 7:1} Jesus served as a God in the first century! John 1:1

Moses was taken to a place for 40 days and 40 nights just like Jesus! Exodus 34:28 compare to Matthew 4:2

Before Moses no human ever performed miracles and after Jesus none could perform great miraculous works like Moses or Jesus!

Moses received laws and presented it to the nation of Israel, Jesus received laws and presented it as well!

Maynman:
You are still quoting the Torah from Judaism. Who is the father of Judaism? Abraham. which god are worshipped in Judaism? Judaist god.. did Jesus ever refer to Abraham? Yes.
What do the Judaist say about that Deuteronomy verse which was in the Torah before the Christians copied it. Surely they will have a better understanding it’s there book .
Now you are comparing your god to man, so your god do amend laws? Amend means a mistake had already happened

Amendments doesn't really means there was a mistake my friends, it could also means the people needs to be updated on certain things!

Before the law Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham Isaac, Jacob and Joseph have lived. It's after their death that Moses began writing their stories and God gave the newly born nation laws that will guide them until the coming of Christ. It's there written in their Torah so if they chose to ignore what they can see written about the amendment in the book they're carrying then it's their own fault!

AntiChristian:
What if the lady had done her exposure secretly? David won't have seen her.
David won't have been tempted.
The story shows that lust come primarily from what you see. And what you see affects what you think then your actions!
Fornication and adultery would of cos reduce drastically if ladies cover more of themselves and men lower their gaze.

This same David already had about a dozen of women before Bathsheba, do you think it's about her appearance or his own lust? Deuteronomy 17:15-17

Fornication and adultery is in people's hearts not what they're seeing!

Maynman:
look what I found.. if you check the verses he is quoting they are in Torah, Jesus was talking to the Isaiah god here different from the one Christians talk to me after Jesus died

I'm not disputing that Jesus wasn't quoting what was established before him so get me right. He couldn't have quoted himself just as we are quoting him today nah!
So he was quoting what the Jews knew to help them realize that he (Jesus) is the promised Messiah that Moses foretold! Deuteronomy 18:15-19

You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” The woman said to him: “I know that Mes·siʹah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly.” Jesus said to her: “I am he, the one speaking to you.” John 4:22-26

Notice how the woman wanted to start arguing with Jesus because she felt Jesus is in support of the Jewish claim because he himself is a Jew but she said they're waiting for the Messiah that's coming to teach them just as Moses promised. That's why Jesus openly told her "i am the one"

So Jesus couldn't have been quoting what has not been written Sir, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph all lived before the establishment of the Torah so they can't quote from it but it's people living after it's establishment that can quote it.
Today lawyers in the court of law will quote the Nigerian constitution against any defaulter but do you think that's possible if there wasn't any WRITTEN constitution?
Moreover whenever there is an amendment in the constitution lawyers won't quote the old laws anymore but the newly amended that's signed into law!

Lighthouse50:
Permit me to share my opinion. Both parties are correct. Kobojunkie is saying as a true believer you must have dealt with your desires and must have died to flesh. the spirit should be leading you and not the flesh. As for the other party, they are concerned about the weak men who are still controlled by their flesh. So how do we balance this?

Each man/woman should continue striving for the spirit of God because among it's qualities we find:

On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, SELF-CONTROL. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

Ordinarily a man may be carried away by the looks of a beautiful woman likewise a woman may be attracted to a man but even if the other person is weak we should all learn from Joseph's example.
©She lives in the same house with Joseph so it's not a matter of seeing her just once in a day but throughout the whole day!
©She is his master's wife so Joseph must run to her anytime she calls!
©She can dress seductively in her own house where Joseph must work with her whether he likes it or not!
©Joseph wasn't employed otherwise he could have tendered a resignation letter due to her incessant persuasion!
©She tried all within her power until she voiced out verbally demanding what she want while Joseph helplessly keep begging her to stop until she grabbed hold of him perhaps when she called him into her private chamber.

Despite all of these Joseph still maintained his stand and said NO! NO!! NO!!!

So if Joseph who lived when Jesus had not send God's Holy Spirit to baptize people could resist such temptation then a fully competent and completely equipped man/woman of God should do the same! 2Timothy 3:16-17

Clementoons:
what you do not understand is this, Apostle paul is an ordained preacher by GOD to man through the help of the LORD JESUS and HOLY SPIRIT.

* I will tell you truth*

Any woman who put on trouser or any wordly apparrel ranging from earrings to jewelleries is not ready for heaven.

the bible say a woman must not put on what pertaineth to man. Stop supporting women wearing trousers that exposes their body shapes, but admonish them and let them know the danger of wearing it.

Right from the garden of Eden we have learnt that women don't wait for SUPPORT before doing anything that pleases them. Though they love moving with what is trending but nobody decides for them.
It's better to render God's word just as it's presented NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19
God's law surely condemned men putting on what pertains to women and the same goes for women as well {Deuteronomy 22:5} but is this about trousers?
Trousers is modern day clothing for both men and women, in ancient times men wear skirts not trousers so who says the trousers belongs only to men?
Each law has its significance so we need to know the import of God's laws so that we can apply it in a practical sense.
Homosexuality and Lesbianism was the purpose for that law not about the shape of women. If a man should put on what pertains to women he could lure his fellowman into homosexuality just as any woman always dressing like a man could attract her gender to commit Lesbianism.
When talking about the shape of women we should know that women in ancient times do put on dresses that shows their figure because that's what a man will notice first before coming closer to marry her as a wife.

So Deuteronomy 22:18-19 is not about the shape of women but to avoid homosexuality and lesbianism!

Below is a man (Bobrisky) dressed like a woman, do you think some men won't be carried away with his appearance?

AntiChristian:
Why was the biblical David the ancestor of Jesus tempted to adultery and murder?

Was it because he was having a devilish though in his heart or because he saw a nude woman?

How is a man not corrupted by what he sees?

David KEEPS ON LOOKING that's how he got carried away {Matthew 5:28} whereas Job made a covenant with his eyes NOT TO LOOK LUSTFULLY at a woman who is not his wife! Job 31:1

All these were recorded for us to learn from their experience {Romans 15:4; 1Corinthians 10:11} and become fully competent and completely equipped as men of God! 2Timothy 3:16-17

So if David committed a blunder it doesn't justify adultery neither does it give us the impetus to choose dress codes for other people's wives!

Maynman:
Jesus didn’t commission any Christianity.. Christianity started After Christ (AD).. when Jesus was alive till he died he was Judaist and worshipped the Judaist god.
The Christians are serving another evil god of isreal. Jesus didn’t create any religion neither was he ever a Christian..
Christian comes from Christ.. what’s the origin of the word “christ”? It comes from a Greek word christos and it means teacher or the anointed and it is a title not a surname for Jesus, the current usage is suppose to be “Jesus the Christ”. Before Jesus was born the word has been in usage and commonly used but this greedy hebrew personalized it for their greedy gods. So Now we know the history of where the Christians got their name from.

I must quote this!

Jesus' parents were Jews practicing the religion of Jews so he grew up among them but after some time he went to a man called John the baptist who baptized Jesus and afterwards Jesus began having issues with the Jews, WHY?


After his baptism God's Holy Spirit took him to a silent place where he got new information about what he was sent to establish. Matthew 4:1
Moses had the same experience before the establishment of the Israelites worship that's why Moses told the Israelites that God will send another prophet like himself to them. Deuteronomy 18:15-19
Just as Jesus spent 40 days and 40 nights with God the same happened to Moses {Matthew 4:2 compare to Exodus 34:28} both of them received instructions on how to establish the covenants God made with people.
Moses was the mediator between God and the Israelites for the Old Covenant while Jesus is the mediator for the New Covenant.

So Jesus surely commissioned another religion totally different from Judaism that's why his own disciples were preaching and teaching in all the cities around the Mediterranean sea.


Whether you agree or not Jesus actually established another form of worship that's why the Jews hated him to death!


You can join the judaists if you want to practice Judaism nobody is stopping you but know today that Christianity never came from Rome!

Jesus commissioned Christianity through PREACHING {PLEADING) from house to house! Matthew 10:11-15

So the religions that came with swords to force their beliefs on others are NOT HIS FOLLOWERS!


Jesus himself never forced his teaching on anyone rather he condemns forceful convertion! Luke 9:51-56

I was a Muslim before i figured out the true disciples of Christ in the midst of over 41,000 sects all claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

So if truly you want to make a research about something start from the main man who established it, know what he taught not just getting carried away by the actions of those claiming they're his followers when they don't practice what he taught!

Mohatma Gandhi from India studied Jesus' words and discovered that Jesus has been misrepresented by those claiming Christians.

That's how real intellectuals reason!

Jesus is the founder of Christianity he never said a single word about dressing and grooming because it has nothing to do with God's kingdom. In the garden of Eden both Adam and Eve were UNCLOTHED {Genesis 2:25} whatever a woman puts on it's the man that matters to Jesus so his verdict:

"But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her] has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:28

True servants of God as in men of God aren't distracted by the appearance of the female {Job 31:1} unless she's completely nude and that's strange.

So putting on trousers has nothing to do with the Christian faith, during times of evangelism the females need to watch out for miscreants who takes chances at any sight of attraction to commit the unimaginable but as a mature Christian we are not supposed to be carried away with whatever the females put on, that's why each of us has his own wife! 1Corinthians 7:9
There are so many parts of the female body that could turn a man on but a mature mind is above that after all you've gotten your own woman at home.
If you're not carried away with someone else food while you're hungry but can control yourself till you get home, why must you be carried away by the appearance of another person's wife?

cornelboy:
By it's PUBG mobile time

He will continue telling you "the first five books of Moses" as if that makes Moses a Jew since he grew up to find the books in the hands of Jews.
He's the type that will tell you CHRISTIANS do kill people in crusades simply because he grew up to learn that the people who carry Bible use to go for crusades but the words of Christ he will not consider at all, since crusaders are claiming Christians he concludes all Christians are crusaders!

cornelboy:
You no get sense. Wasn't the land given to the tribe of Judah also called Judah?

Please he's on hard substance, because i told him i was a Muslim yet he's still talking about Christianity as if my religion from birth the atheists has given him what will help him in his life!

Janosky:
Are your gods of men Pastorpreneurs not registered Incorporated Entities in the United States of America?
Unlike corporate businesses with investors paid dividends,the Watchtower is incorporated as a legal entity to fulfill the laws of Ceasar.
Every religious faith in the USA is registered with the Government, pronto!
Courz luminous stupidity
Luminously stupid WAILER DECEIVING himself

After all his epistles budaatum came and tore it all into pieces, he has nothing else to do but jumping from pillar to post!

cornelboy:
Your the dumbest person i have ever argued with. Jacob had 12 sons the 12 tribes of Israel were name after them. Each tribe had their land in Israel. Judah was part of Israel but later became a kingdom on it own. So there were two kings ruling then. The other tribes formed a kingdom and their capital city was Samaria while Judah capital city was Jerusalem.

He is the type that never took religion seriously so by the time atheists get hold of him and filled his head with their stuff he will feel he has gotten everything figured out then he will be going about trying to mock faith, but by the time he encounters someone having real faith with logical reasoning he will feel real challenge then in a bid to prove stubborn he will turn against all logical reasoning!

LordReed:
Ok.

Alright thanks!

Winters23:
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Thanks!

LordReed:
I would like to cut to the chase, please no rigmarole, just present your BEST evidence for the god you believe in.

My God said a time will come when people will start killing one another yet claiming they're worshipers of the same God! Revelations 6:3-4

But His own worshipers will separately remain peaceful citizens anywhere they are simply because they've agreed on standard for right and wrong. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

This people will serve as His WITNESSES (evidence of His existence) Isaiah 43:10-12
The Israelites failed to follow God's program so God abandoned them and chose a better nation which happens to be followers of Christ! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

So Jesus promised his followers that they will serve as evidence of His father's promises which has been made firm in their hearts! Act 2:8


Today Jehovah's Witnesses are everywhere on this planet, while people from all the earth are finding it difficult to embrace PEACE, Jehovah's Witnesses have gathered millions throughout the earth (living in all the regions where intolerant people are found) and they have successfully achieved peace among themselves.

That's the undeniable evidence of my own God!

Image123:
See as you reinforced my wise opinion that you were not worthy of a single Bible verse. Get your brain from the hallway tomorrow, you need it for online and external communication.

OLÓDÒ!

Topic of discussion is WAR as in people killing people, and your faithless religionists claiming denominations in Christendom are there as part of the killers.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can confidently say our members aren't part of the troubles because Jesus ordered us to love our neighbours as ourselves {Mark 12:31} and to love even our enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} but as for our fellow believers we must be prepared to die for them just as Jesus died for us! John 13:34-35; 15:14

But you faithless Churchgoers will start quoting what you don't even know it's meaning, and as for Jesus' command you have nothing to say about it! Matthew 15:8