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Cybertroll:
Tell me, what's your proof God exists? Kindly do so without quoting the Bible or Quran.
Thank you!
OAM4J
Kobokunkie
MaxInDHouse
TenQ
DtruthSpeaker

I really love this!

Though i would have waited to laugh at many credulous religionists as they can't say anything tangible unless they QUOTE their religious books.

So straight to business:

The meaning of the title GOD is SUPREME BEING therefore the supreme one should have something to do for the benefit of all those living under His domain.
Many religions often claim they know the one who created everything which is common but then what are the things their God is presently doing to prove they know the creator for real?

The one and only true God promised that during the time people globally will be fighting against one another over who should rule He will send His spirit out to gather from the four corners of the earth people and they will use His word to settle all their disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making buying selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again.

Today this God has fulfilled His promise just as said, the world continue to build destructive weapons and storing them up they also train their young men and women to fight and kill for nationalistic movements all these costs them billions of dollars while many in their societies are suffering without food.
No religion has successfully excluded their members from all these except just one that's studying the words of the God who claims He will make PEACE reign among His worshipers.

They are going throughout the earth gathering worshipers for their God through zealous preaching and industrious teaching of what their God said.

Ọmọ they have successfully former one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally and everyone can testify that this people have LOVE among themselves.

Even though i can't see their God with my eyes in a physical sense i can see Him through His fine WORKS!

I wasn't born into the faith, though i don't have interest in religion because as i grew older i discovered many are just gullibly and blindly following the religious title chiefs in various religions.
So it took me time about 22 years to be fully convinced that there is just one true religion.

When talking about religion it has to do with worship of God and thousands of religions are talking about their different Gods this made me start thinking about the qualities one need to find so as to be fully convinced that i have found the true God.

I later met a group called Jehovah's Witnesses and their presentation makes perfect sense as regards the qualities of the true God and how the worshipers of the true God should conduct themselves, no other religion come close to what i found with Jehovah's Witnesses.

From then i dedicated my life to become one of them till today!

Ken4Christ:
We are not talking about language here. We are talking about the content of his teachings concerning hell. Experts were involved in translation of the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek language to English. And the original language are still available for scrutiny.

No sane man will go through the teachings of Jesus concerning hell and conclude he was just talking about the physical grave or a refuse dump in Israel. Go back and read again the first three gospel with an unbiased mind and come back and tell me that a place of torment called hell does not exist.

Yes, it doesn't make sense to the natural mind but it's scriptural.

If God could destroy the first world with water and save only 8 persons and also destroyed two cities, Sodom and Gomorrah with fire, why do you suppose that it's not possible that people can be eternally destroyed in a burning flame?

Just repent before it's too late. Otherwise, you will have regrets upon regrets.

Guy Jesus never PREACHED about a place of torment if you want to know more about Jesus' preaching go through him sermon on the mount from chapter 5-7.

It's when he started TEACHING that he used parables to teach the Jews how God will treat the death of EVILDOERS.
SHEOUL ~ HADES ~ HELL ~ GRAVE means the same thing, Jesus used this word well and as for GEHENNA it is the condition of the dead where resurrection is not possible because God has deleted the memories of evildoers {Psalms 9:17} so Jesus taught his Jewish listeners that the same way they used to dump the things they don't want anymore into Gehenna that's how God will dump the death of evildoers among His people, they will not be remembered like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is remembered till today.
But as for you who is not a descendant of Abraham God has no business with you at all unless you come into His plan through faith in what you have learned in the Bible otherwise you're DEAD already with no record with the God of Abraham!

FreedomfromtheT:
A sinner is not a Christian and a Christian is no longer a sinner.

Are you more Christian than Apostle Paul?

Well he explained that he is still a sinner despite being saved! Romans 7:15-25 compare to James 3:2

FreedomfromtheT:
Both the sinners and the righteous will die. So death referred to in Romans 3:23 is not the untimate wage for sin. There is punishment beyond death for the unrepentant sinners and backslidders (Matthew 25:41,46; Luke 12:4,5; Ist Thessalonians 1:10; 2nd Peter 2:17-22; Jude verse 13; Revelations 21:.

Death is the wages for sin so all Adam's descendants must die because we have all inherited sin from Adam {Romans 5:12} after that resurrection of both the RIGHTEOUS and UNRIGHTEOUS will take place! Act 24:15

The RIGHTEOUS are faithful servants of God who lived by God's standards so their names has been listed in God's memory book for their faith! Hebrews 11:4-34


The UNRIGHTEOUS are good people who don't know the God of Abraham but lived by the law of conscience {Romans 2:15} God will recall them to be trained under Christ's 1,000 years reign! Revelations 20:1-3


As for EVILDOERS they will never be recalled their memories has been deleted completely! Psalms 9:17

FreedomfromtheT:
That the saved person will eventually grow old and die doesn't make the saint a sinner.

Ọmọ the only reason why people are dying is SIN so whether you accept Jesus or not you're still a sinner that's why you must grow old, get sick and die!

The only difference is saving grace which makes the names of repentant sinners appear in God's memory book.

Sinner is sinner it's being the REPENTANT or UNREPENTANT that makes a DIFFERENCE!

Chai!
God bless Ibrahim Badamosi Babangida.
If you report this case in his time you should be arrested and detained for defamation of character because he never promised you he's the one to bless you rather it's God's promise that you're trying to tap through BRIBERY in the name of "TITHES"

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself!

God never listed names of people regarding your hellfire brouhaha death is the ultimate wage for sin {Romans 6:23} at death man's sin has been cancelled! Romans 6:7

The only difference between the good and the bad is that God is willing to restore life back to those who chose to be good {Job 14:13-15} but as for bad people they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17

You might have chosen the religion of your choice but i'm proving to you that it's based on credulity not on what God's word really teach!

FreedomfromtheT:
You can continue your self-deception until you die. By then it will be too late.
This your Kumuyi propaganda is becoming stale.
Your hatred and envy for the anointed and respected man of God cannot stop God from continuing to use him to get millions more into His Kingdom.
Your attempt at character assassinating pastor William Folorunso Kumuyi cannot stop God from continuously using him as an instrument to heal multitudes of sick people, to open the eyes of the blind, to make the deaf and dumb hear and speak, to raise the lame and crippled to walk again, to make the mad well again, to remove hunchbacks, to open barren wombs to bear miracle children etc.
Currently, pastor Kumuyi is holding a children/teenagers program from Abuja, Nigeria tagged STARS to the rest of the world with great things happening.
There is nothing haters can do about it.

MightySparrow:
You are reading your own bible upside down.
Corinthians are written for whom?
Continue to bask in your delusion.

Name a Corinthian who miraculously healed a person!

FreedomfromtheT:
Whether an unbeliever or a bad person, as sinner is a sinner until he/she responds to the saving gospel of Christ.

Whether you respond or not you're still a sinner that's why you must grow old, get sick and die like all sinners do! Romans 3:23; 5:12

The only chance we have is the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ to have our names written in God's memory book {Job 14:13-15 compare to Malachi 3:16} so there is a big difference between a BAD PERSON and an UNBELIEVER.

Even demons believe in God yet they're evil {James 2:19} so despite the fact that they're believe in God humans who don't believe but kept their good conscience will be rewarded {Romans 2:15} whereas demons that believe will be destroyed.

So there's a big difference between being bad and unbelieving!

Ken4Christ:
If you say I am a liar, then you are saying that Jesus lied cause I am relying on what he taught.

What Jesus taught in what language?

FreedomfromtheT:
unrepentant sinner who dies in sin -Adam or Cain, Dothan, Korah or Abiram, Balaam or Balak, Saul or Ahitophel, Delilah or Jezebel, Judas Iscariot or Annanais and Saphirah.
So repent today and believe the gospel.
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Did your Bible say this people are in a place of suffering or your Mr Kumuyi assumed so?

Jesus never preached Hell to anyone who is not an Israelite because the Israelites knew what Hell (Hades) means that it's the common Grave of all mankind.
So they knew that while some will be remembered for resurrection many will be forgotten in their Graves! Psalms 9:17

That's what Jesus was use illustration (parables) to teach his Jewish listeners {Matthew 13:13, 34} there is no literal place where God reserved to roast people! Jeremiah 7:31

kkins25:
How can good and evil not have existed when there was already a "serpent" sneaking around the garden of Eden?

God created all the animals but a powerful spirit used the serpent like a puppet to talk to Eve that's why the book of Revelation referred to that spirit as the ORIGINAL SERPENT {Revelations 12:9} indicating that Serpents don't talk it was possessed. The spirit creature who possessed the serpent wanted more than what his kind had.
So evil actually had a beginning but good has always existed because the Creator is the epitome of Goodness! Luke 18:19 compare to Galatians 5:22-23
Thanks!

Janosky:
My brother Max has said it all. .
Which verse or chapter is "Christendom" found in your Bible? Lost fraud 3 deities slave !

They prefer to be called Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines that's why the English man used the word "CHRISTENDOM" for them it simply means different sects claiming denominations under one umbrella with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

MightySparrow:
MaximumSide, how many kilograms is your stupidity? Ehn!

God never promised anybody from other nations supernatural gifts so stop deceiving yourself!

Ọ̀DẸ̀ Kumuyi pikin!

There is a difference between a BAD person and an UNBELIEVER.

Unbelievers don't know anything about God so they don't understand why they should live by the standards set by someone they can't see so they try to figure out what is good and bad on their own.

Bad people are those who don't care no matter what happens they've rendered their conscience dead. So there's no preaching that can change them because they're unwilling to think what is good even under good conditions.


So when Jesus sent us out he said we should go to the "LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL" Matthew 10:6

Lost sheep means good people who are lost in falsehood.
House of Israel means they're supposed to be in the house of faith.

So my friend God has nothing good for bad people stop deceiving yourself with Kumuyi he knows nothing about God's word!

FreedomfromtheT:
If everyone were good, there would be no need for the gospel or good news to be preached in the first place.
It is because we were all bad or sinful from birth that the gospel is being preached so that those who will can respond to the gospel message and be transformed by Christ the only Saviour.
What we Deeper Life Bible Church members and other living Churches preach is Good News in the sense that it gives sinners hope that irrespective of their past or even present sinfulness, they can still be accepted, forgiven and granted entrance into God's Kingdom if they repent and follow Christ henceforth.
But the bad news is for those who refuse or spurnthe goods news will suffering in hell for all eternity (John 3:19, Romans 2:5,8,9)
Thanks.

How stupidity is killing you like this really makes me laugh!

So this is how your children often turn to atheism telling you to your face that your God doesn't exist after you've lied to yourself for over 50 years of your life!

MightySparrow:
The Bible is open to all to read and understand. In my own opinion, JWs don't understand Christianity. I cannot submit myself to learn your community truth.
I know you are trying to explain the Bible scientifically. So many of your doctrines are tangential to the main subject of the scriptures.
As you know, I have been reading your publications for decades now.
I don't agree with you and your GB. They don't make sense altogether
You are free to tout your prowess and self estimation ( delusion). It is a free world.
So keep your knowledge. I don't want it.
My quest to clear some doubts about your publications led me to some of your members who because of truth ( doubts and lies in your doctrines) rather than your GB to humbly jettison what is wrong. They were humiliates, disfellowshipped. These have become antagonists to your haughty organization.
Anyway, has God made your the judge of christian practice?
Delusion.
I have received healings myself and prayed for my family and a few others. No charms, no spell, just believe the word of God you trifle with now. If you are deceiving yourself, I don't. I have solid faith in my God and what He can and His doing.
1John.1.1 - That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
Evidence, my own not from prophets. My own proving God. You are asking me to grow from faith to faithlessness. I refuse.
Live with your delusion Sir.

Your insanity has no boundaries!

johnw47:
before time God and His Word are one Person/one God, before God
bought His Word out of Himself,
God and his Word were not always two persons
God bought forth his Word out of Himself and then there were two of that one and the same Spirit that is God

God's wisdom/God's Word always existed in God, of course

johnw47:
of course God and the Word is two persons,
and God and the Word is God

This is all I need in your comments.

Two persons are God is enough proof that you are not sane just because you want to commit suicide in speaking English you said two persons IS instead of ARE.

About God Jesus said:

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" John 17:3

Perhaps your English teacher needs to call you back to primary school so you can learn what "ONLY" signifies!

brocab:
how do you expect anybody to take you seriously

Ọmọ this thread alone has spoken in volumes!

The young woman who started it nicknamed me "Sugar Daddy" for all the things she has heard from me and many have believed that Jehovah's Witnesses surely have what it takes to make real disciples.

It's you who needs to figure out how many people on this forum has accepted your message if truly you've been relevant!

FreedomfromtheT:
The gospel is meant for bad people to repent.

This is a lie, the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom wasn't for BAD PEOPLE!

This is what Jesus said when sending his disciples out for the preaching:

"go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 10:6

Here Jesus is directing them to search for good people whose hearts are weighed down by the bad things happening in the world so they can have full confidence in the promises of God.
BAD PEOPLE don't expect anything from God but GOOD PEOPLE are searching for God with all their hearts despite all the contradictions Satan has caused to mislead them they feel like knowing how to serve God.

For Instance Jesus found a Samaritan woman by Jacob's well from their discussion it's obvious this woman wants to know the secret behind the contradictions in worship {John 4:20} this are the type of people Jesus sent us to fish out {Mark 1:17} not evil people who don't even care about God.
The two thieves besides Jesus at his execution is another account to consider one has a good conscience while the other doesn't care {Luke 23:40} Jesus didn't preach to any of them at his execution rather it's the other unrepentant guy that started this conversation the good one was feeling guilty already looking for a way to approach Jesus but he doesn't know how to go about it not until he had the opportunity to voice his apology for not believing what he has heard about the Christ.

So my churchgoer friend the GOOD NEWS isn't for BAD PEOPLE o it was strictly reserved for GOOD PEOPLE who don't know how to connect their Creator!

GOOD NEWS for GOOD PEOPLE:

The meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. Psalms 37:11 compare to Matthew 5:5

So follow the way of good people And stay on the paths of the righteous,For only the upright will reside in the earth, And the blameless will remain in it. Proverbs 2:20-21 compare to Matthew 5:11-12

BAD NEWS for BAD PEOPLE:

The wicked will retreat toward the Grave, All the nations who forget God. Psalms 9:17

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. Psalms 37:9-10

As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, And the treacherous will be torn away from it. Proverbs 2:22

I can show you more and more GOOD and BAD news in the Bible but Jesus sent us out for the GOOD NEWS not the BAD.

So talk about Jesus' disciples sent out as fishers of men think about Jehovah's Witnesses we are the one and only true Christians that knows the difference between GOOD and BAD NEWS, of course you can't make any competent disciples with BAD NEWS that's why we are called FISHERS of MEN.
No fisher goes to the sea threatening the fish and expecting to have a good catch!

If you want to learn all you need is humility not expecting support from everyone simply because you claim you're worshiping Jesus.
The truth here is that when talking about real supernatural gifts the true God promised only the descendants of Jacob and Jesus of Nazareth confirmed it.
So if anyone later comes trying to convince you about performing miracles my old man you need to do yourself a favour by studying God's word to be sure not just following them gullibly for their magic.
The Beroeans saw the Apostles performing real signs but they still checked the scriptures to be sure that these people are servants of the true God {Act 17:11} unlike you who is tossed about by every wind of teaching once the teachers are practicing magic!

MightySparrow:
Yọu are deluded by your community truth. We are are talking about science here. Any scientific truth should be global and reproduce able. Same with Jehovah. Any ' special revelations' Special commissions under Christ limited to a particular occultic christian group is a lie. Your community claim is false Witness. Since Christi, God has not ceased doing wonders all over the world. Truth is gleaned from what happens and what doesn't. If your claim is evidenced all over the world, you are a liar. Judging yourself right and condemning others doesn't make you better. Anyway, truth is how much you are exposed to facts.
The truth of Jehovah is global, constant , and reproduceabe. The story of Ayo Babalola, Rev. Josiah Akindayomi, who was a wicked herbalist saved by grace with signs and wonders. An illiterate man who knew nothing are fresh among us to today. All over the ages, Jehovah interacted with humans in all clime and time similarly. Be living in your delusion brother.
You will inherit Aso Rock soon. Or is it White House? Deluded man.

MightySparrow:
It ie paining you ní. All the inconsistencies of your GB interpretations are the Hallmark of your monopoly of truth. Continue to live in your delusion. I am a pentecostal and we don't believe in GB's unbelief. If you are not sure of God answering your prayers hére, what confidence do you have in hereafter? Delusion unlimited.

When a faithful servant of God is talking about God's promises faithless miscreants like you just ought to hush!

You're empty as regards what God promised so when i'm talking you quoting me trying to argue is really absurd because you don't know anything about Jesus or God's promises!

If it's the fact that only Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth that's hurting you that's not a problem i wasn't a JW from birth but coming to argue what is clear and understandable simply because your stupid and hopeless Papa has blindfolded you with credulity and you're not willing to break free shows you're not normal yourself!

My first post on this thread is there unedited to prove that our God do answer our prayers what you're arguing about totally differs from that. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob made a covenant with the nation of Israel and so no prophet comes out from any other nation apart from Israel then Jesus came to say that supernatural gifts was reserved only for the benefit of the Israelites and after Jesus there was no gentile who performed a miracle.

All these is enough evidence to prove that what your Papa and his cohorts are practicing is magic and since Satan the LIAR is behind magic his agents can't preach or teach anything in harmony they will continue to pitch their tents against one another due to pride that they inherited from their father! John 8:44

So if you're now saying what they're performing is miracles then who among them is really performing it or are you saying the spirit of miracles is jumping from one sect to another despite all the contradictions?

My old guy truth can't be challenged no matter how Satan has complicated everything those who wish to know the truth will know it and be freed! John 8:32

MightySparrow:
Your own truth depends on your own misinterpretation of the Bible. Live with your delusion.

Guy if you love the truth you supposed to pick up a drum and start singing praises to Jehovah for revealing the secret behind your hopeless Papa.
Himself and all his cohorts are magicians that's why they're not speaking in agreement, the spirit of Jehovah is not of confusion so when Satan's agents are performing signs it will not make any sense. How come there are different sects all claiming miracle workers yet with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all in the name of one teacher: Jesus?

Jesus has exposed them by calling them:
WORKERS of INIQUITY (LAWLESSNESS) Matthew 7:23
Because that's how magicians do after their acts they can't speak in harmony as regards what their followers should do for their gods.
Do you know how many sects are claiming they perform miracles?
Well they are in their thousands with different teachings not having the same line of thought as Jesus prayed for! John 17:22

So my grey hair friend you're growing older by the day in stupidity!

There is something at stake so all humans are involved we either prove to be loyal or disloyal in the face of temptations.
It's just between three persons: God, Satan and Job that's why God told Satan not to kill job because if he does that makes it no test of his faith but a direct attack on his life.
Everything else involved are kept safe in God's memory book that's why God restored Job's wealth since he wouldn't need that in God's Kingdom when he resurrects {Job 14:13-15} back to live forever {Psalms 37:29} but as for his children they're all safe in God's memory book for they will be called back to life during the resurrection! Revelations 20:13

MightySparrow:
Truth hurts.

YES!
That's why you couldn't hold it when someone comes to say the truth that there's no miracles again and you started beating about the bush saying you witnessed it but later said it's not a pastor or program then you concluded saying it must be anyway even though Jesus Christ said it's strictly reserved for the Israelites! Matthew 15:24

Jesus never asked us to go and preach bad news because bad news is everywhere already so what mankind need is GOOD NEWS that will gladden the hearts of faithful people and of course evildoers know that when talking about reward from God they will be excluded.

So instead of crying everyday about what will happen to evildoers Jesus sent us out to preach and teach what will bring a relief.

That's the purpose of the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom!

FreedomfromtheT:
Your ignorance is glaring sir.
There is bad news as well as good news and both are permitted by God to be written in the Scriptures.
The bad news is that all have sinned as offsprings of Adam and thus are on their way to perdition in hellfire if nothing is done (Romans 3:23).
Thank God for the good news which is that Christ has come to deliver those who accept Him from the wrath to come (1st Thessalonians 1:10).
It is a scam to give people one-sided information especially about the eternal consequences of their life on earth.
You can keep on deceiving yourself and the deceived that hellfire is imaginary until you get there (I pray it doesn't happen to you).
Let's assume Jehovah's witnesses are right that hellfire is imaginary and I die believing hellfire is real. What do I have to lose?
On the other hand, what if you live your life believing that hellfire is imaginary as taught by Jehovah's witnesses, only to die and to your chagrin, there is hellfire and it is for all ETERNITY, will there be any remedies?
Why take chances with your eternal wellbeing?
Why gamble with the prospect of an eternal, uncorrectable mistake?
Why not be on the safe side?
I know people are wise.

MightySparrow:
Why didn't you edit it out of your New World Translation Bible? When protestants severed relationship with Catholics, they removed Apocrypha from the Bible available to us.
See hypocrisy, when you want to defend a point of your GB you qoute Mark 9 to the end. When dishonesty sets in you condemn it. What about Corinthians are they still approved by your GB'?

So it's the GB that edited other Bibles like the Jerusalem Bible, American Standard version, NIV and many others shey?
Your grey hair is useless if you don't want the truth so stop quoting me you and i aren't on the same page!

FreeSpirited:
What's the point of this argument?
You can not be writing confusion and make us read till the end without any statement of purpose. Haba. What empty nonsense

He wants to condemn the Bible using the idea of God being the source of GOOD and Satan being the source of EVIL.

The Bible book of Mark ended with verse 8
So the addition was not part of the inspired book, if you want to know the truth check various versions to be sure of what you are been fed.
Please stop quoting me if you don't love truth i hate liars!

MightySparrow:
That is a lie!
Mark.16.17 - And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

kkins25:
Did God create Good and Evil, or did they Create God?

All you need is a one on one free home Bible study with the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) Malachi 3:16
There are lots of questions locked up in your heart that needed answers {Matthew 7:7-8 compare to Proverbs 2:1-5} but simply looking at the religions around you and reading stuffs in books or internet will only complicate issues.

GOOD and EVIL wouldn't have existed if all humans live by the standard God set in the beginning.
Whatever you want to do make sure you get the best out of it to satisfy your curiosity but never set standards for others neither force your opinion or desire on your fellowman! Genesis 2:17
This is the Genesis of mankind's problems till today, as most people often feel like setting up standards and imposing it on their neighbours! Ecclesiastes 8:9

Apart from this there is nothing called GOOD or EVIL if all you're doing is within yourself without affecting others at all! Matthew 7:12

Verse 2:

"The same was in the beginning with God."

This means there were TWO persons not one so the evidence is there that ONE out of the TWO must be the only true God! John 17:3

johnw47:
oh duh, most dum lost false jw mad max

john also said:
in the beginning was the word, Not "IS the Word"
he also said:
the Word was with God, Not "IS with God"

one of the troubles with false jw's is that you are uneducated
and your org likes it that way, they can tell you anything and
you believe it



Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

in the beginning is speaking of the past

in the beginning "was the Word" < proper grammar
in the beginning "the word was with God" < proper grammar
in the beginning "the Word was God" < proper grammar





1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them