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Logicboy03: Anony....this is the 4th person telling you....

Am done arguing with sophist like anony that can't provide a SINGLE evidence, they keep pushing everything into the realm of the unknown. . .Consciousness is a function of the brain. . .Below is a BBC documentary on consciousness. . .It even talks about brain cells generating images on their own when electric current is passed through them. . .Yet we have anony and his friend spewing nonsense. . .Try to compare the brain and a piano. . .While the piano requires a person to play with its strings, in the human the brain is the person. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNc52LmHgUs

What is this failed comparison between the brain and the piano?. . .While the brain can do this on its own the piano can not, so anony's analogy fails completely. . .The brain is the YOU and YOU can not do anything without it. . .Consciousness is a function of the brain without which there will be no consciousnesses in the first place. . . .Anony;s should provide evidence of consciousness existing outside the brain for people to take him seriously else he remains a joker that doesn't know what he is saying. . .

musKeeto: Interesting thread..

One side humbly accepts they don't have all the answers. The other side mocks, taunts and insist it must be God.


Same scenario has been playing throughout human history. It seems God is about to get another definition -- and it will still be based on man's ignorance.

God is always and idea that is based on man's ignorance. . .When men saw the rain bow and didn't know that it was caused by refraction of light when water droplets in the atmosphere comes in contact with light, they said it was some covenant between some imaginary Jewish deity and his chosen men, others said it is the necklace of some imaginary goddess. . .

Science is what will discover the origin of life and the origin of the universe if anything like that can ever be discovered not myths written by men who thought their god used to come and fight against men bragging that he killed them all alone and stained his cloth with their blood. . .Nonsense. . .

In another part of the world a pastor says that government should kill gays. He says he is just preaching scripture and has nothing to be ashamed of. He even quoted the passage from the bible that supports him. .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMkZ02NrxP8

Mr anony: Good thing that you have agreed that Jesus is God according to Christianity but then what follows is simply untrue. You are making a claim that Christians hold a position they do not hold.

Agree that Jesus is god according to which christianity?. . .You guys are yet to agree on that despite your endless debates with your christian brothers. . .Whose christianity agrees that Jesus is god?. . .I am only using your position since you are among those that believe that Jesus is god. . .I do not care what the bible says about Jesus being god because I do not believe in god. . .

God hates sin but loves the sinner. Hom[color=#000000]ose[/color]xual behavior as well as murder, fornication, covetousness, adultery, blasphemy etc are sins and fully deserve God's wrath.

Pls stop this talk. . .Is it not your god that says that gays should be killed for being gays?. . .Do you kill people you love?. . .Do you send people you love to suffer in fire?. . .Tough love eh?. . .

There is no Christian that discriminates against the hom[color=#000000]ose[/color]xual rather Christians vehemently condemn their acions.

Pls calm down and stop saying this. . .Here is a video of a pastor that says that government should kill gays. He says he is just preaching scripture and has nothing to be ashamed of. He even quoted the passage from the bible that supports him. .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMkZ02NrxP8

Many many christians hate gays and many have killed them. . .Here is a story of a guy that killed an elderly gay man that made advances towards him stating that he read in the bible that gays should be killed. . .

http://articles.philly.com/2011-03-18/news/29142081_1_stoning-death-court-documents-police

The claim that there is no christian that discriminates against gays is painfully laughable.

It is not discrimination to condemn a sinful man. I am sure you do not believe it is discrimination when you condemn what you consider to be evil practices. Notice that it is the hom[color=#000000]ose[/color]xual sin that is condemned and not the person.

And who told you that being gay is wrong? As long as it is consensual between two adults that know what they are doing I don't see how it affects any body. Being gay is not a crime as far as am concerned and no body has the right to say it is, since it does not affect any body directly, while stealing, killing, lying and other vices might affect people gay relationship does not affect any body at all as long as it is consensual btw two parties. . . .If being gay is wrong then being a christian is also wrong, since according to muslims you are already on the wrong path and allah dislikes those on the wrong path(unbelievers). You are committing a sin for not believing in allah and his last messenger. . .You need to repent and ask for forgiveness. . .

The door of forgiveness is open to all sinners including the sodomite. What they need to do is repent, turn from their sin and put their trust in Christ Jesus and He will save them. If they do not, then they have in fact condemned themselves.

Gays do not need any forgiveness from any body since they are not committing any crime, at least not in the part of the world that I live in(even though I am presently in Nigeria). . .If you say gays need forgiveness then you as a christian also need forgiveness for refusing to believe allah and his last messenger. . .If you refuse then in fact you have condemn yourself. . .

Mr anony: Nonsense, there is no rigmarole here. you are the one who claims that Jesus said something he didn't say and when you were asked to show were Jesus said what you claimed he said, you started shifting goalposts to Jesus being God. I then asked you whether you believe that the bible teaches that Jesus is God. You started dancing around some more and trying to shift your burden to me.

It is irrelevant what I believe or what you think Christians believe at this point. We did not make the claim that the that Jesus hates hom[color=#000000]ose[/color]xuals, you did. You are the one who made the claim about Jesus so please bear your burden of proof. Here is the question that you keep trying to evade:

Do you agree that the bible teaches that Jesus is God or not?

After you have answered yes or no and we have clarified whether or not you really mean God when you refer to Jesus then we can go on to talk about the Christian stance on hom[color=#000000]ose[/color]xuals.

Please stop dancing around.

Jesus is god as many christians like you believe, god says gays should be killed period. . .The bible clearly condemns gays and speaks badly about them. Christians use the bible as the basis and justification for hating gays, discriminating against them, treating them with contempt and in some cases killing them. . .If gays fight back then they are just figting against a force that dislikes them, calls for them to be killed and discriminated up on period. . .

iamsaved: @op, this Is my typical daily routine. .
I am a "married" women who is currently pregnant and have a toddler.
I work 8am to 6pm Monday to Saturday in a private organisation while hubby works with government.

5am: wakes up, says morning prayer, brushes my teeth and head straight to the kitchen to prepare breakfast and lunch for my toddler baby.
6:30am, wakes baby up. brushes his teeth, feed him cereal, put him on the potty, stays with him to pet him to poopoo inside the potty (doesn't like using it). After cleaning him up, I bath him and get him set for his daycare.

7:20: I eat breakfast, tidy up the house, clean up an get ready for work.

I take baby to day care and proceed to work.

By the time I get to work, I am already 1hr late. This happens every blessed day.

By 5pm, pick baby from daycare and take him to my work place till I close by 6pm, then we go home.

Most times I go to the market from work to buy few stuffs.

As soon as I get home, I prepare and give baby food. Then sweat it out in the kitchen preparing dinner. depending on what I am cooking, I finish cooking most times between 8.30 - 9pm. serve hubby his food, eat mine, wash up all the plates. while cooking, every 3minutes interval, I take baby to the toilet or potty to weewee (he is still learning how to weeeee without pampers).

10pm: I bathe and go to bed. The struggle continues in the morning. same routine.

THIS IS MY HUSBANDS ROUTINE.
7:30am: he wakes up, go straight to clean up himself. Brush his teeth, baths and get set for work.

Eats breakfast and leaves for work.

7pm: he is at home, pings and chat and watch movies till dinner is ready. After eating, he bathes, continue watching movie, chatting and pings till 11pm.

Now I have begged, begged and begged he should assist me in the m
morning to bath our baby and dress him up for school but he refused. Said its a woman's duty to do everything in the home including solely caring for the children.

Infact last two weeks, I discusses this same issue with
him, explained to him how my boss has been complaining of my lateness. He shoul at least be considerate but he said i should go and ask other married women how to cope.

I dont have to go in too deep to expiain how thi his particular behaviour has affected me. I see myself now as a single mother! and oh I contribute financially to the home.

on sunday is busiest, church h, market, wash clothes, prepare soups and stew. no rest.

Cant afford to get a maid now. No much money!
Op if this is your idea of marriage, you need to think again. brb

What is this?. . .

Mr anony: No my friend you cannot eat your cake and have it. You can't say you don't believe that the bible teaches Jesus is God and yet you want to equate Jesus to God just to force a point and then tomorrow you switch back to "Jesus is not God" just to force another point somewhere else. If you cannot stay consistent, you immediately lose your credibility. If you don't care whether Jesus is God or not, then you have no grounds to make claims on what the message of Jesus is when you really mean God.

So I ask you once again, do you believe that the bible teaches that Jesus Christ is God?

What is this rigmarole all about?. . .Where have I stated that Jesus is god or not?. . .I have always maintained that some christians believe that Jesus is god while others do not. . .That is my position on the matter. . .You believe that Jesus is god so I am using your position to make my point. The bottom line is that the bible condemns gays, talks about them in a contemptible way, calls for their death and many people use such passages to condemn gays, treat them badly and kill them in some cases. . .As such gays are now fighting back. . .Simple that is the case on ground. . .

Mr anony: Very good, let me be clear though, are you now conceding that Jesus Christ is indeed God according to scripture or are you only dubiously adopting the position just to help you out in this case? As soon as we clarify this, then we can move on.

Do I care if Jesus is god or not?. . .How is that my business. . .You believe that Jesus is god and I am using your position to let you know that Jesus as god called for the killing of gays. . .Many christians use such verses as justification for the killing of gays, just as Jesus(God) says that thou shall not suffer a witch to live, many people believe witches deserve to be killed as well. . .

Mr anony: ok




...and Jesus made these comments?

Isn't Jesus god?. . .God which is the same as Jesus made the comments. . .

By the way, I am not granting that the verses you spurned are verses of discrimination and hate but first I want you to defend the statement below. According to you:

Please can you show which of Jesus' actions or comments led you to the above conclusion....or were you just telling lies?

I have shown you already, according to Jesus(God) gays are to be killed. . .The other verse is also inspired by Jesus as well since you believe the bible is the word of Jesus(God). . . .So what exactly are you on about? The verses are purely of hate purely of hare and discrimination , the first verse calls on gays to be killed and says they do detestable act. . .Treats them with contempt and says that they should be killed. . .If that is not a hateful message then what is it?. . .Many christians believe gays deserve to be killed because of such verses. . .

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Mr anony: Erhm....did you watch the video? Please if you did, be so kind to tell us exactly what hateful messages were exhibited therein.

Didn't watch the video just making a general commentary. . .

This is simply untrue. Would you mind citing the verse of scripture from which you got the bold?

Its very true. . .Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

Beretta92: I would love to see that happen but I personally feel that some people are so inherently evil that only religion can keep them in check.So,religion serves a good purpose on one hand.

Religion does NOT keep any body in check, the fear of being caught or the fear of the consequence that might come with your action of incations is what keeps people in check not religion. . .Nigeria ia the most religious country I have ever stepped my foot in and it remains the most rotten and morally deficient country I have ever visited. . .Religion has nothing to do with keeping people in check. . .

Mr anony: When the heart of a man pricks him, there are two ways to respond, continue in rebellion or subject yourself to Christ. They evidently chose the former.

Every body has the right to rebell against hateful, violent and discriminatory messages. ..The bible calls on gays to be killed. People use the bible to justify their hate for gays etc. .Gays have every right to fight back. The hearts pricks them for justice, thats all, its not as if they feel that any thing is wrong with their sexuality. . .If you don't want people to fight you then stop treating them with contempt, as long as christians keep using the bible as a basis for justifying their hate towards gays then they should expect more fightback from the gays period. . .

Ihedinobi: Just what is it that pisses people off about the Lord Christ? If they really believed that they have nothing to fear from Him, would they care about people with placards? Care so much as to physically attack them? Funny thing is eliminating the messenger never destroys the power of the One Who sent them in this case. It hardly ever does in fact.

This is where you get it wrongly. . .The alleged messages of Jesus or Yahweh is racist, violent, judgemental and condems people that are gays and they are fighting back simple. . .The bible calls and gays to be killed, it calls them evil etc. . .Gays believe they should not be killed and they also believe they are not evil. . .People that subscribe to the messages of the bible that are in government try to us the hateful messages in the bible to make legislation against gays, they don't want gays to get married or even to be accomodated and recognized in the society. . .If christians had their way gays will be killed or inprisoned. . .Democary is the only thing that has completely destroyed the power of the church in the west. . .Every body has the right to air his views, you can not go about posting hateful messages and condeming a group of people and not expect them to fight back. . .After all the message of Jesus towards those that are gay is that of hate, descrimination and contempt, so fighting back against such hateful message is the right thing to do as far as they are concerned. .

Will religion die off in 2041?. . .Not at all. . .But in 70-80 years to come religion will be completely dead in the west. . .As for places like Africa, Asia and the Middle east. . .Religion will still be strong but its dominance will be greatly reduced in those regions. . .

OLAADEGBU: Demons is a way serving God by doing a job of tormenting unrepentant sinners. They can't do anything except God permits them. For now they are permitted to torment those who have rejected the mercy of God. This is explained in a parable of the Lord Jesus Christ below;

"And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due to him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also to you, if you from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses" (Matthew 18:34-35)

Your god now uses demons to serve him by punishing people that use ear rings and make up in fire eh?. . .You are a failed human being, if you don't see what is wrong with your sadistic fantasies. . .

OLAADEGBU: You don't have to live the rest of your life as a poltroon. You fear accidents that can kill your body but you don't fear hell that can destroy your soul. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Here are some words that will aid you in making wise decisions:

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28).

You keep quoting from Jewish and Roman story book of myths. . .What am I to do with that?. . .Accidents are real, hell is a myth. . .Life has failed you instead of trying to make things work you have embraced sadistic scare mongering as the only way out. . .You belong to a cult(deeper life) that honors poverty and deprivation, you have nothing to live for as such you want others to join your miserable and failed life style by trying to scare them with puerile and sadistic myths. . .Keep on keeping on. . .

plaetton: Right on.
And this always bring to mind the John Lynch documents wherein he wrote " once the perfect slave is properly programmed, no other input in required from the master, the slave will self-maintain for eternity, UNLESS, interupted by catastrophic event."
The key words here being "catastrophic event".
By catastrophic event, he meant the gradual or sudden onset of critical thinking.

So, critical thinking is a catastrophic event for the brainwashed perfect slaves of religion.

Non of them is even trying or attempting to show that his entries are wrong , all they are saying is that they do not like what he is saying and trying to insult him with words like troubled soul, etc. . .Since when has critical thinking result to being troubled?. . .

OLAADEGBU: Ouch! That hurts, not. I'll rather live a miserable failed life now than to be miserable and a failure in eternity. Lazarus was a beggar only in this life but the rich man is now a beggar for eternity.

What you even call scare mongering can be legitimate. In the late 80's TV commercials in the U.S. asked; What goes through the mind of a driver who is not wearing a seat belt in a head on collision? Then they showed a crash dummy having its head crushed by a steering wheel in a collision, and said, "The steering wheel!" Those were scare tactics, but no one complained because they were legitimate scare tactics. That's what happens in a head-on collision if you are foolish enough to not put on a seat belt.

To warn of hell is fearful, but it is absolutely legitimate, because the Bible says:

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:31) - The Evidence Bible.

While accidents are real, hell is not, it remains a myth, a sadistic mythfailed humans like you use to scare people into accepting your delusions. . .You are actually going to endup in Allah's hell for not believing in him and Mohammed his last messenge. Evidence the Koran. . . .

cybermind: So you somehow agree that there is a Higher Power, even if humans have incomplete and different understanding of him?

I am just showing you that it is human to develop or create an idea of a higher power or powers. . .

cybermind: I am sure if I tell you, you will still claim that "you don't know". But I will still go ahead anyway. God revealed himself to mankind in the person of Jesus Christ. The Bible is the message to man from God. You can either accept it or reject it and claim that "you don't know"

Nope, the Koran is the message and true revelation of allah the creator of the universe to man kind. . .Allah reveaed the koran to mankind through prohet Mohammed. It either you accept it or reject it. . .

The verders are the works of the gods that created the universe, they are the revelatons of the gods and goddeses that created the universe and revealed to humanity, it either you accept them or reject them. . .

cybermind: You claim you don't know who created man and yet you rejected the answers from those who claim they know.

I will rather stick with the word of God that has the answers rather than put my faith on those human scientists "who don't know"

When and where did any god told you that he wrote down any word any where?. . .

mkmyers45: Still waiting for the OP to address my observations...

The OP does not know what he is yapping about so do not expect any reasonably rejoinder to your observations. . .

cybermind: If man created the gods, then who created man?

I don't know who created man but I know for sure that all gods are man made. . .

Emusan: Very soon you will claim you become an atheist not on any scientific evidence but always try to defend any scientist reseachs.

You disown your faithful evolution birth ape-to-mazaje just because you have seen the future of evolution. I won't say much!

When you distort science only becaus you want to promote your own belief in ancient mythology then i will definately call you out on it. . .I am never ashamed to say I don't know unlike you that keep lying andtwisting stuffs just so that your belief in ancient lies and mythology can be promoted and sustained. . .

Mudley313: On the flip side, no god/gods has ever been able to do anything themselves without the help of humans...humans help god to write his holy books, humans help god to spread his word, humans help god with their hard earned money to spread his word, humans help god to prove n argue for his existence, humans help god to translate, interpret n misinterpret his word, humans help god to explain himself; even when Christian god came to us in human form, he had to wait years after his death for humans to help him write his story...and when other humans piss god off, humans help god to fight his battles, from senseless massacres in the Old Testament, to the crusades, jihads, al- Qaeda, boko haram, to the argumentative pages of Nairaland religion section ( not to forget the tyrannical Islam for Muslim mods, who help their god in shutting down dissenters with lenghty bans)

Come to think of it, god actually needs to pray to humans more than humans need to pray to his inactive non-existent azz

Humans created all the gods they worship, so humans are god. . .

The OP is just an ignorant young earth creationist that relies on the LIES and STUPIDITY of peusdo scientist that cal themselves creation scientist. . .Can the OP show us any peer reviewed scientific method opf dating from his lying creation scientist tht shows that the earth is 6000 years old?. . .

All these crazy looneys of yours know that the earth isnt 4 billion years old and they haven't shown us and won Nbel peace prices already, eh?. . .Keep deluding yourself. .

FearGodAndLive: Anything but God. The desperation to convince one self one has no creator or purpose can drive one to madness. No wonder, the Bible states it blatantly ' a fool says there's no God'

And this nonsense is your rejoinder?. . .If god designed things then why do things mutate?. . .How has the god did it hypothess helped man ever understand anything anywhee and at anytime. . .Hope ou knmow that drugs have been discovered based on the evolutionary principle?. . .Pls show me any drug or anything of value that has ever helped humanity that has ever been discovered using the god did it hypothesis. . .

And by the way only a foo will believe insome idea created by his fellow humans as true, an idea that has never been put to use, tested or seen to be at work at anytime. . .So i will say it blatantly. . I fool says there is a god. . .

okeyxyz: @striktly, @mazaje

The sex of the embryo can be determined before it is implanted into the mother's womb.

I see nothing wrong with that, people that want a specific sex for their child can get it. . .It is actually a welcomed development. . .

striktlymi: Hi Sparrow,

Though I have some reservations in rejecting IVF outrightly but I do understand why some Christians would NEVER accept its use...the following are some implications of IVF which a lot of Christians will not accept:

1) 'Duplicity' of embryos which may result ultimately to their deaths.

2) Masturbation is a precursor in some cases.

3) Embryos are treated, in some cases, as lab rats.

4) Etc

Still not very convincing reasons , but i still get it. . .

striktlymi: Hi fynest,

I have been trying to understand the rationale for your belief as depicted above but can't seem to place my finger on it, so I told myself that it's best to ask you instead...

If you don't mind, could you elaborate on the above? I am quite curious to know why you believe IVF is okay, if it is not used for sex determination...

I will also want to know as well. . .

striktlymi: Hallo Mazaje,

I was afraid someone was going to ask that question...Lol!!!

If I tell you that I have one super duper logic to defend my position on this, then I would be lying. I have reviewed some of the arguments against IVF and quite frankly, I can't find any plausible 'reason' why it should not be accepted.

Though I agree with some of the thought processes against the acceptance of IVF but still there seem to be something missing in the arguments against it.

Anyways, I do not accept IVF because accepting it would mean going against the teachings of the Catholic church which I subject myself to. It's basically because of the words of Christ that I accept this:

Matthew 16:19
New International Version (NIV)

19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

I trust Christ, hence I trust the Church to guide me in everything that has to do with faith and morals.

I know this misses the 'mark' for you but it is my position.

Roger. . .

mkmyers45: Oh Please.....I don't expect to hear you say this.

Its downright questioning of your atheism.

My atheism is not based on the big bang or evolution. . .God and Gods as presented or portrayed by all religions are man made as such they do not exist in reality. God and Gods remain ideas humans invented and use to explain things away, organize their society and to give them some spiritual meaning in life. I do not believe in evolution or big bang as factual events, i see them as plausible explanations and my atheism does not depend on them. . .