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drstan: Yea, that is good .! First 2 quote d first comment

First to quote your comment. . .

Every day one gay tale or the other on nairaland. . .Gay this, gay that. . .Its as if the whole world is becoming gay. . .Nairaland make wuna rest with this wuna gay ,gay matter. . .

F00028: sadly, that's one mistake a lot of Muslims make.

it not their business to prove who was crucified instead, or even if there was ever a crucifixion. the fact of the matter is Jesus the Christ, the son of Mary was not crucified or killed.

That is what the koran tells you and you simply believe it. . .According to the bible he was crucified. . .Your only evidence to show that Jesus was not crucified is the koran and the evidence the christian have is the bible. . .Book are religious book of faith. . .Stop talking about facts because it is not a fact that Jesus was not crucified. . .

btw where is this happening?

According to Al-Jazeerah’s interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity.

Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. Al-Jazeerah has since removed the interview and details.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo

Because no god any where has ever helped any group of people develop. . .

musKeeto: Godliness doesn't necessarily equate to morality. Most Christians mimic their father Yahweh: selfish, jealous, tribalistic, conniving scum.

LOL!. . .Same with the muslims. . .

Emusan: You're quoting from the same people who tells you that Jesus was crucified but you say No! Hmmm......great hypocrite.

Very soon you will claim their words are narrator's voice.

I wonder why muslims keep doing this nonsense. . .The other day tbaba was trying to use the bible to say that barabas was the person that was sentenced to be killed not Jesus according to the bible. . . I was shocked. . .

vedaxcool: Regardless of the lenght of your incomplete sentence and the ferocity of you tears, the above remains valid.

Cry me a river. . .This is not your islamic madarasa where people can only respond to or in conformity with what the cleric says. ..I can respond any how i see fit and in this case i chose to respond directly to your claims. . .keep on crying. . . .

vedaxcool: That is their problem, I did not start a thread theorizing why Muslim change to Christianity, hence it would been wiser and simply RATIONAL if for once u can address a thread based on it claims rather than addressing questions that has little or nothing to do with the thread, which simply provides reasons why christians become muslims. i still hope to see a day when atheist on nl argue rationally.

Cry me a river. . .You made specific claims that were challenged, and your only answer to the challenge is that you don't like it. . .I don't like what you are saying is not a rational defense. . .So you admit that your own rejoinder has little or nothing to do with the thread, since i was directly replying to your rejoinders. . .You claim christian that become muslims realize this or that. .What about muslims thatg become christians?. . .Now you can go off tangent as usual crying all over the place. . .

vedaxcool: Christians keep trooping into Islam because it is the right path and because they realise that God cannot be 3 & 1, He has no son, Bible does not guide people to the right path. The qur'an is the book of guidance for all time.

What about the many muslims that have also converted to Christianity and are still converting ion large numbers?. . .Didn't they also realize that god has a son, god can be 3 in one, christianity is the religion that leads to the right path abd book of guidance for all time?. . .

noblefada: I'm quite amazed about these atheists obsession with xtianity? well @mazaje why not answer the question are there Jews who are xtians today and 2 did all the Jews believe Jesus when he was alive?
Listen let me tell all u atheists that all ur lies and propaganda will never work, the bible is fail prove. Imagine some1 saying Paul created xtianity! let me tell u, every thing written in the NT were predicted all thru out the OT, several centuries b4 they even happened and that's why the bible is fail prove. Might interest u guys to know that all of Paul's writings were from the OT, but I guess u guys are too ignorant of the bible to know that. Pls find another propaganda this not working.

The church fathers, like Papias, Irenaeus, Clement of Rome etc created christianity as we know it today. . .The Jews say that nothing in the OT speaks about anything in the NT, rabbis say that Jesus was never predicted in the OT, christians are just making things up. .very few Jews are christians. . .Majority and not christians. . .Majority are either atheist or practice Judaism. . .

Bidam: @Mazaje why don't you answer the question,if you really have the answers.

Just asking. . .I have my own theory but then I want to hear the opinion of others. .

Reyginus: I still think other nations worship amadioha. It is the name they call him that is different.

What other nations?. . .

plaetton: Igbos still worship Amadioha. Even some igbos no longer do, their forefathers did at some point.
Also, am not aware of any foreign nations worshipping Amadioha.

Jesus, on the hand, was never ever acknowledged, let alone worshipped by Jews.

LOL!

deSika: Question is are there christian jews today. The answer is yes

another question is did the jews as a whole welcome even Jesus himself. As in take to his message. The answer is no.

Mohammed was an arab, most arabs agre muslims. . .

Founder of Hinduism was Hindi, most indians are Hindus

Buddah was from Nepal, most Nepalese are Buddhist. .

Jesus was a Jew, most Jews are not christians. . .

Reyginus: On the surface level(that is if there is even a deep level), this question is directed to the wrong people.
I think it is sensible to ask the igbos, not the yorubas, why the majority do not worship amadioha anymore.

Martins has answered that. . It is very easy for the Igbos to see that Amadioha is a made up entity. . .

Martian: do you believe the following?

Yesterday I saw a leprechaun who turned 2 catfish into 10 catfish, then we rode on the backs of unicorns to the land at the end of the rainbow. There I was, hunting with Cupid and a gang of angels, we shot arrows at Capricorns and drank Jesus juice out of the horns of heavenly bulls.
Then Jesus said to me, I am the way, the life and the truth. He who believes you, attains eternal life.

Do you have faith that I'm telling the truth?

Many people believe more weird stuffs than this just because some unknown men that lived long ago wrote them. . .people believe such tales because of indoctrination and conditioning of religion. . .religion itself is soft, and offers warm comfort from the harsh realities of life. Since the world is not soft or warm most times, people tend to hug the warn tales and offers religion promises its adherent. . . Just like small frightened children hiding from monsters beneath their blankets. It may feel safe and effectively ward off imaginary demons, but won't do shit against the real dangers of life. That is what religion is and that is why people believe ridiculous absurdities. . .Virgin birth, ascension, talking donkeys, etc etc. . .

Martian: Oba so, Obama ko so.

Shango is a historical figure, but is it believable or credible that he turned into a diety and started sending thunderbolts to kill his enemies?

Jesus could be a historical figure, but is it believable or credible that he was a product of a god f#cking a virgin?

Roger. . .

Why are most Jews not Christians?. . . .Who really started Christianity?. . ..

Mr anony: Stereotypical generalization but that's by the way.


People in villages claim that those who live in big cities are spoilt yet they migrate to big cities. Economic reasons and religious reasons are two entirely different subjects. You have set up a false parallel.

To show you what I mean, I'll turn the question around on you. Why have you chosen to do business in religious Nigeria? why not move to an atheist country like Vietnam for instance? Everyday we hear you criticizing "religious Nigeria" yet you rush down here to do business and I'm sure if business favors you here, you'll comfortably tuck yourself in among the religious.

P/s: I hope you are seeing how irrational the argument is because economic reasons for traveling or not traveling is a different thing entirely from religious reasons for traveling. Comparing apples and oranges in like this in a desperate bid to manufacture a point is simply preposterous.

Nigeria is my country, I have no other country besides I employ many people as such I am contributing my part in nation building. . .I gave you clear cut examples, many Nigerians claim because of their religious beliefs that europeans are cursed because the engage in abominable acts like legalizing gay marriages etc, yet they all rush to the such cursed lands. . .They go to indian for treatment while casting and binding their hindu gods when they come in contact with such idols while still claiming to be worshiping a living god that loves them and watches over them. . .if the god's nigerians worship is living and watches over them as they keep lying to themselves they won't be going to the land of dead hindu gods for medical treatment , no?. . .They will call onto their god and he will heal them as he promised to. . .

Nigerians are not travelling only for economic reasons. . .Many travel for health reasons as well. . .The fact is if Nigerians truly worship the god they sell, they will not even need to travel abroad for any economic reason or health reason in the first place. . .They do so because all their gods have failed them. . .So much so that they go to the land of the ungodly to seek for help because all their gods have failed them. . .

Most of the Pentecostal churches claim that their god's primary wish for all his children is that they should be saved and be prosperous. . .

Just pointing out the sheer hypocrisy. . .You insult indians and their god , yet you go to them to heal you because your own god is impotent and can not heal you in any way. . .that is in the case of the lady i talked about. . .

Nigerians are overtly religious. . .

Nigerians claim the people living in the west are godless yet the keep running to their lands. . .They claim the west is cursed because the people have legalized gay married, have relegated religion to the back ground are anti god etc, but they keep running to such lands. . .

I was listening to a girl narrate about her experience in india on saturday, she just came back from india for hip replacement surgery. . .She was talking about how some of the indian nurses put the images of their hindu gods their offices, she said she casted and binded all the spirits of the hindu gods with the blood of Jesus bla bla bla. . .I just laughed. . .If the blood of Jesus really worked she wouldn't have gone to in india in the first place, she would have done what the bible recommended for those that are sick. . .

Hindu doctors are healing Nigerians in very large numbers that the christian or muslims doctors living in Nigeria arent, yet we have the audacity to insult indians and call their gods lesser gods when they are the ones saving our lives because we have failed ourselves and our own gods have failed to heal and protect us from treatable diseases. . .Nigerians are just crazy. . .

momomomo: @masaje. the life of the persons that lived before you in life cannot be termed as fables just because they have been forgotten. so when you are forgotten one day in future, does it deny the fact that you once lived? No! the same thing about the bible. these account of this people existed before you were born and will still be told after you are gone.that is the truth and cannot change and will never change no matter what man does.

Yeah same with Mohammed the prophet of islam, everything he did was true, Allah sent him as his last messenger, same with the greek gods and hindu gods, they are all real and everything written about them is true. . .Next!

momomomo: what makes you think they are not as real as you are now. Doubting their existence before you in this world is denying your existence as well. if you want to accept that you are not real, then your mental faculty becomes questionable.the persons whose job it is to detect things like that becomes interested in determining the point at which you have denied your very existence. in the same way you cannot say your are not real, is the same way you cannot say they aren't real otherwise the nation Israel today would have been unreal.they live here on earth just the way you are living.one day you too will be forgotten but no one will say you weren't real

The bible is a book of fables, all the stories about Jesus were made up. . .

The Op is so wrong on many things. . .The Op forgets that we have specific gods and how we are told they function. . .The fact that such gods do not function the way were are told but function only on the pages of story books are enough. . .All gods are clearly a human creation. . .History and anthropology shows that to be true. . .If you define what a belief is, it's basically a construct inside the brain that filters reality through it. . ..If you think for example that people are bad, you'll start paying attention to bad behaviors of people to validate your belief and ignore good people that don't validate your belief.

This is nothing new. Just how the brain works. It recognizes patterns of what makes a belief.As for religious beliefs it's the same thing. People will filter their lives through those beliefs and start seeing "miracles" and signs of God that the ordinary person would just assume as normal. . . .The problem is that beliefs are constantly being refreshed with these new evidences, so when you try to challenge a person's belief he'll start acting angry or upset.

This is why logic doesn't work to deconvert a theist. Their beliefs carry a huge emotional baggage.

Beliefs also don't have to be real. But they are useful in parts of our lives. Humanity couldn't survive without beliefs. For example if you don't believe you can find food you'd never go out to hunt.

The problem is when beliefs get out of control. Example: religion fanatics

I think it sums it up pretty well how it works.

momomomo: @mazeje They are as real as you.they were also on this earth as you are now.

Saying they are real doesn't make them real. . .

All these talk about god and what he wants. ..Pls when will you guys allow god to speak for himself. . .You just have fictional stories about some god character that people invented and you spend all your time trying to defend the idea that is the center of the story as if the stories are real. . .Most of these stories are not real, they are pure fiction. . .

I don't know why christians keep lying to themselves with this false label they have attributed to their god that he is all good and all loving. . .It is simply very false, a simple reading of the bible shows that such a god is an evil monster, even the allah of the koran seems a better character than the god of the OT. . .The surprising thing is that the jews that invented the god idea and the story do not waste their time claiming that their god is all good or loving, they will just tell you clearly that their god is a good of justice. . .Simple. . .if you don't like his ways good for you. . .They don't go out of their ways telling lies all over the place and trying to make a monster that was portrayed in stories written by savages as a good entity. . Jews don't do that only christians and their idea of a loving and good good keep telling lies all over the place. . .

Uyi Iredia: They also say 'Heaven helps those who help themselves', 'An idle mind is the Devil's workshop', 'Man wey dey work dey chop' etc. True, the belief you stated, but my argument is they work regardless. Your bias simply wants the prayers out and be channelled into work. Seriously, I've argued a similar thing before with you on Toba: The Nigerian Atheist thread. There you made the false claim that men of God do nothing to help the country and I brought examples especially of Tunde Bakare which you failed at refuting.

We pray more and work less. . .Nigerians put prayers first before work and that is the fact. . .if we work more than we pray like others then we would have solved a lot of our problems. . .Pastor Bakare might be an example but majority do not contribute anything to the country. . .All the do is enrich themselves by selling false hope and lies. . .

anony stopgap: Same with mine it has been blocking my responses on this thread. Apparently I'm banned until tomorrow

Edit: So when would you like us to have that chat?

Can we make it by 8pm Nigerian time tomorrow(am presently in naija). I pls send me a message in mazaje247@yahoo.com I will respond with my skype Id.

anony stopgap: Mine have been hidden as well, this is rather weird.

I tried getting back to you, but i don't know whats up with the post. . It doesn't show at all. .

Why are my post hidden?. . .

Mr anony: I think I've already gone beyond this point. The fact that You can control your brain is evidence that there is a distinct you controlling a distinct brain. If this is not evidence for you, then you'll have to tell me what the evidence you seek is supposed to look like so I can see if i can help you.

The you is your brain, CNS and other parts of your body working together. Many aspects of your brain you can not control, rather it is the brain that functions on its own, you do not control the amount of growth hormones your brain secrets or the adrenaline your brain also secrets when you are in a fright or flight mode. . .You can take a drug and begin to hallucinate, and do things your brain wants, it just does what ever it wants and you just have to act according to how it leads, regardless the will to resit you just have to flow with how the brain leads. The brain make you do what it wants when its chemistry has been altered. . .If you control your brain you should be able to tell your brain to stop making you do things you don't want to. . .A ental person whose brain is malfunctioning should be able to tell his/her brain to control his brain and stop acting crazily, but such a person can not, where ever the brain leads the body follows. The you is just the brain, CNS and body working together.

As for your video, I'm afraid it didn't give me any new information sufficient to prove that it is the brain that generates the person and not the person commandeering his/her brain. You can always tell me the specific times where this was addressed here.

Person commanding his or her brain?. . .The brain is the person, without it you can not do anything. Your brain can make you do things you don't want when it malfunctions, you lose total control, you can not make your brain do things it doesn't want, but your brain when malfunction will and can make you do things your don't want, so what are you saying?. . .

P/s: By the way, I'm interested in an offline conversation with you about another topic if you are game.

Sure, no problem, any time. . .

plaetton: Also on the news today:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130730101744.htm

In this rare case, a man's brain injury causes him to taste and feel colors, written words and music.
This occurance makes obvious the following:

1. The so-called intangibles are tangibles after all. They only seem intangible due to sensory perceptions and adaptations.

2. Our Reality is not as real as we think it really is.

3. Our impressions, feelings, moods, tastes, etc are products of biochemical reactions or quantum mechanical processes in the brain.

4. So far, there appears to be nothing external, extraneous or divine that is the source of, or is complementary to the functioning of the brain, other than the evolutionary pressures and adaptations that slowly and carefully molded this complex machine over aeons of time.

Most importantly, as I pointed out earlier, there has been concerted efforst over time to create a wide wedge between what are known as physical or material attributes, and, what are known as non-material or spiritual attributes of the human brain.

With rapid advancements in the fields of neurology and other related sciences, these lines of demarcation are rapidly converging to offer us a clear picture of reality.
There appear to be either a chemical, electrical or a quantum mechanical interface between the physical and no-physical aspects of reality.


I repeat:
Things that are hitherto referred to as belonging in the realms of "the spiritual" are most likely unknown or little understood biochemical, electromagnetic or quantum mechanical processes.

And I also boldly assert that in the near or distant future, these processes will be better understood, and the term "spiritual" would cease to be in our common vocabulary.

I just tire, bring some evidence to support your position and all anonny can do is compare the brain with the piano as if the piano can do anything on its own. . .Once the brain malfunctions you lose TOTAL control and start doing things abnormally. . .You can start seeing things that are no there, fail to recognize faces, do things normally you wouldn't do like move around naked etc. . .Where is the YOU if not the brain?. . .

I wonder why people waste their timw arguing with some one that believes in ancient mythology from people that thought humans reason with their hearts. . .