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[quote author=Mr_Anony]^^^^ Looking back upon my post, I can almost bet that mazaje in all his irrationality will soon come in and try to tell us that ALL THINGS does not include bacteria. lolol[/quote]Odunu and Bolkasa gods came together and created all things with with their breath that is made with, heavenly iron, fire and mud. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Good....this shows that for you to legitimately reject something, you must at least know a bit about how it works. Even if you don't have full details of the thing in question, you must know enough to be able to show that the thing is logically incoherent or else you won't have any grounds for rejecting it.(bear this in mind)[/quote]I reject your god idea, because it is man made and exist ONLY in stories, beliefs that men hold and share and their cultural and societal influence and acceptance. . .You god does NOT exist on its own as such you can NOT show or prove its existence. . .I reject your god because it is a man made idea. .

Lol really? describe a beautiful lady for me and tell me why your version of beauty is more valid than mine or that of anyone else.

I asked you a simple question and you are coming up with this drivel?. . .You once claimed that god spoke to you on another thread, can you explain to me how his voice sounds so that I can know its him when I hear it. . .What exactly is your god. . .How can I know its him when I come in contact with him? Pls describe your god to me. . .So that when I come in contact with it I will know it is your god. . .I have come in contact with some gods and can describe them for you. . .Pls describe yours for me. . .Thanks

John 1:3 ALL THINGS were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. (KJV)

All things were made by Allah and with out Allah there is NOTHING that was not made. . .All things were made by Anu and without Anu there is nothing that was ever made. . .Allah created everything. . The koran says yo and its true. . .Your bible is LYING. . Allah created everything. . .Can you you see how senseless what you are saying sounds. . .Some unknown man said his tribal deity created everything, claims so many others have made and some how you want me to accept one mythical claim over another?. . . .Xenu created everything. . .Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence you are making extra ordinary claims and providing mythical writings as evidence. . .As long as you keep doing that then be prepared to be mocked and ridiculed. . .

Now please answer my question:

Would you consider it evidence for intelligent design that the code that defines the bacteria on your keyboard is by far much more complex and advanced than the code that defines the operating system of your computer? If yes then we move on, if no why not?

Where does the word bacteria or key board appear in the bible?. . .

davidylan: Of course you are not a hypocrite... you just happen to be quite confused.

If you are truly a christian then[b] you have all the proof you need in the bible and in your heart[/b]. Being a christian these days has become nothing more than a social badge of acceptance. Little wonder the atheists laugh at us so much.

If you only believe "because you believed all your life" then you truly should consider making a choice. Obviously you have zero idea what christianity is all about. you should be bold enough to take the plunge to atheism...

yeah, just as the muslims and the hindus have all the evidence in the koran and the verders. . .Interesting. . .

ezme: Just so you know I presently share your Christian faith, and I don't see where faith comes in when talking about Atheism. They don't have a holy book containing tenets by which they live. All they are asking for is a reason to believe, Christians haven't given them that.

Davidylans reason to believe is, I have been indoctrinated since childhood, and even though my indoctrinations lacks complete and credible evidence to support them, they are true and must be believed. . .That is his own reason to believe. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You made the claim that the answer cannot be 10. Is it so hard to explain how you know this?[/quote]Its simple. . .You can not multiple a 4 digit number with a an eight digit number and arrive at a two digit number as your answer. . .

Lol, many cultures also have different concepts of what it means to be beautiful, does it mean therefore that beauty is a man-made idea that does not exist?

Beauty is something that can be seen and is self evident even though it is subjective and differs from culture or society to society. . .God on the other hand is NOT self evident the way beauty is. . .No god can be shown to exist on its own independent of human stories, culture and societal acceptance. . .Pls describe your good to me. . .How does he look like since the men that allegedly serve as his mouth piece(since he can speak for himself) claim that he is in the image of man. What does he look like?. . .What form does he have? Is he muscular. fat, skinny? If he appears to me(many claim he appears to them) how can I know its him and not another man?. . .Give me his description. . .How does his voice sound like(many people claim he speaks to them) so that if I hear it I can know that it is him speaking. . .What language those he speak?. . .Since he exist outside time and space, what medium or how does he interact with men that live within time and space. . .

Interesting how you pulled a strawman rather than answer my question......how irrational of you.

I repeat, the passage and evidence that bacteria was created by your god can be found in which passage and chapter of the bible?

davidylan: and hindus, ifa priests, shango worshipers?

davidylan: I wonder why you need "proof" for something you know for a "fact" doesnt exist? you have been crying for "proof" for the last 4-5 yrs, have you nothing else to do? Strange that you are not interested in "proof" from [b]muslims [/b]or hindus or others...

I have countless pages and post engaging muslims here on nairaland. . .So I really don't know what you are talking about. . .Nairaland history and post doesn't tell lies. . . .Mine is there for every body to see. . .

davidylan: The atheist.

The christian places faith in Jesus. the atheist places faith in science textbooks. no one is a blank slate, you are either on one side or the other... you pick your choice.

Davidylan wants no one to be a blank slate as such it must be true, eh?. . .

davidylan:

As a scientist, why would i be afraid of such a thing? If anything, science is the affirmation that God does exist. If you spent 2 mins reading an anatomy or molecular cell biology book you would never be an atheist.

And which anatomy or molecular cell biology book mentions god any where?. . .In what part of the human cell can your god's signature be found so that we can know that all the cells in the human body came about from his magical ability to turn sand into living cells and not as a result of evolution or the creation of other gods like allah or anu? What concrete evidence to you have to show that your god alone created the cells in all humans?. . .

davidylan: hmm and we should care why?

ezme: I saw from the Child support thread that you lack the ability to control your emotions when trying to make premises, I would not have this debate with you until you show some respect.

Seems you are new here, he is a cool guy but is known for his emotional outburst. . .Don't take his outburst seriously. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY

[quote author=Mr_Anony]But what if I am not making the claim that the answer is 10 but I'm only asking you how you know that it is not 10?[/quote]You are not making a claim that the answer is 10 and you are asking me how I know the answer is not 10?. . .Read at the nonsense you have typed and see if it makes any sense to you. . .Seriously did you just type this?. . .

How exactly do you know this "fact" that God is a man-made idea?

No god can be shown to exist on its own independent of human stories, human culture and human societal acceptance. . .Each culture and civilization creates it own god(s). . .The reason there are so many countless gods is because humans created them. . .God is a human idea and a human creation. .Here is a list of gods that begin with the alphabet A created by different cultures and civilizations. . .

Agdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Allah
Amaterasu SUN GODS AND GODDESSES
An
Anahita WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Anansi
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu

Would you consider it evidence for intelligent design that the code that defines the bacteria on your keyboard is by far much more complex and advanced than the code that defines the operating system of your computer?

And the passage and evidence that bacteria was created by your god can be found in which passage and chapter of the bible(his alleged words that humans wrote for him)?

davidylan: and you have empirical evidence of this "fact" how?

Here is a list of gods that begin with the alphabet A

Agdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Allah
Amaterasu SUN GODS AND GODDESSES
An
Anahita WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Anansi
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu

Your own god is not even among them. . . .Each culture and civilization created these gods. . .Even your god was a creation of another civilization and culture. . .

And your evidence for this "fact" is that i have not provided to you God's post office box? You sir are a joke.

You can't even provide it because it does not even exist. . .Your god exist only in your imaginations and the imaginations of others like you that have been indoctrinated with that god idea. . .Same goes for alla, anat, andvari,anshar ,anu all all the other countless other gods that people believe in or used to believe in. . .

Well you sir are most confused of all. Christians say man was created by God, logicboy, Darwin and Dawkins claim man came on the earth by some magic that can be explained by pseudoscience, you have no idea how man came about? you're on your own.

The FACT remains NON of you know it as a FACT, you are all giving your hypothesis. . .By the way your own belief isn't your own because it was forced upon you by your parents and their parents before them. . .The idea that your god crteated men came about by the mythical belief and stories made by some ancient jews. . .This we know for a FACT. . .Scientist also have their own hypothesis. . .

You have not been paying attention... read your bible and find your evidence there. If you dont believe, it is not for lack of evidence but a conscious choice to ignore it.

So the evidence that god your own version of god created men is a story written by unknown men about their tribal god speaking things into existence and using sand to create men, eh?. . .So what is the evidence in the bible that god created DNA or my brain?. . .What does the bible give as the evidence of god creating my spinal cord?. . .

I got confused... your point was?

Read it the second time maybe you will understand what I am saying. . .Saying that your own version of god(out of many others) did is remains a LIE unless if you can substantiate it. . .If you can substantiate it then why are you making the claim in the first place?. . .Claiming that you know it by faith because some men that lived thousands of years ago and believe humans beings reason with their hearts said so remains ridiculous and stupidddd. . .

davidylan: Actually we are getting very close to the pinnacle of knowledge. We know the DNA code inside out... we've known what proteins were made off for the last 70 yrs, we havent been able to recreate a protein in the lab not because we have little knowledge but because there is just no way to replicate the divine.

Of course feel free to have your head firmly buried in the sands of denial

And the DNA is mentioned in what part of the bible?. . .How do words(supposedly Hebrew) create DNA?. . .

davidylan: There is virtually no difference between no atheist and the christian in that case... since both start from the same point - i dont know. The christian only claims he knows BY FAITH in Jesus Christ. The atheist doesnt know because he chooses to rely on his own fallible nature.

Now lets look at what you said for the atheist. The idea that the atheist claims he doesnt know is actually FALSE... because that would presume that the atheist is actually objectively OPEN to any idea that might provide the truth. In reality, the position of the atheist is - I KNOW IT IS NOT GOD... he then goes around ferreting for just about anything to justify a stance he has already made WITHOUT evidence.

The FACT is that god is a man MADE IDEA that was created by MEN that is why we have man different gods and religions. . .I might not know what 1000*34527272 is but I definitely know that it is not 10. . .If you tell me that 1000*34527272 is 10 then be prepared to show me how you arrived at the answer, claiming that I do not know either is dubious and ridiculous because you are the one making the claim. . .I repeat one thing we KNOW for a FACT is that the god idea is man made and all religions were created by men out of their various superstitions. . .That actually has nothing to do with DNA or how men came about in reality. . .How humans came about remains UNKNOWN(That is the FACT). . .If you claim to know then provide evidence for it. . .Saying that your own version of god(out of many others) did is remains a LIE unless if you can substantiate it. . .If you can't substantiate it then why are you making the claim in the first place?. . .Claiming that you know it by faith because some men that lived thousands of years ago, men who believed that humans beings reason with their hearts said so remains ridiculous and stupidddd. . .Provide the evidence or stop making the claim. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY

[quote author=Mr_Anony]How exactly does what anony thinks of eben alexander's story affect the question "what exists between any two universes?"[/quote]You can ask him that since he claims god showed him multi verse with life and evil in other universe. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Please guys, check out this video if you may.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDavvndecE[/quote].The guy claimed there are is a multi universe when he visited heaven. . .He claimed he was shown that in heaven. . .He says that there are other universes, with less "evil" then ours, and that some are more technologically advanced. He is talking about how we are one of many universes with people living in it, and that our Earth, is a unique one spiriually in that it has more evil in it. However, if any of the other universes had people in them and anyone who had committed any sin, they would need a saviour. Would god also send his son through the process of being guilty for the world more then once again? Would he be able to go back to his position as a man on other planets as a physical body when his real body was up in heaven as the conquering king who had overcome sin and death, who held the keys of death and hades? He also tosses out that evil was made so that there could be free will. What does the bible say about other universes, and the things this man mentions? Does it line up with what is written in the bible?. . Not just the feelings of love and all the nice sounding stuff, but the actual ideas presented in his account. Does anony believe in the guy's(Dr. Eben Alexander) multi verse claim?. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Red herring. Irrelevant to this thread.[/quote]Very relevant to the thread. . .You provided the testimony of a man that claimed he went to heaven as evidence for the soul and life after death. .The guy claimed god told him in heaven that there are multi-verse with life in other universe. . .This topic is about multi verse. . .Do you believe his story.? . .You can not have it both ways. .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]red herring: eben alexander's story and whether I believe it or not is irrelevant to this thread.....I am not favouring either position on this thread.

My contention is simply that the big b[color=#000000]an[/color]g theory and the multiverse theory are not compatible. If you think they are, show it if not, go scratch your itch somewhere else.[/quote]It is very relevant to this topic. . .You gave his testimony on another thread as evidence of the soul and life after death because he stated that he went to heaven. In his testimony he stated that in heaven he was shown that there is a multiverse by god and his guide in heaven. . .Do you believe that his story is true?. . .This topic is about multi verse, no?. . .

Anony on the other thread dropped the testimony of a doctor who claimed to have gone to heaven on the soul thread. . .The guy claimed there are is a multi universe when he visited heaven. . .He claimed he was shown that in heaven. . .He says that there are other universes, with less "evil" then ours, and that some are more technologically advanced. He is talking about how we are one of many universes with people living in it, and that our Earth, is a unique one spiriually in that it has more evil in it. However, if any of the other universes had people in them and anyone who had committed any sin, they would need a saviour. Would god also send his son through the process of being guilty for the world more then once again? Would he be able to go back to his position as a man on other planets as a physical body when his real body was up in heaven as the conquering king who had overcome sin and death, who held the keys of death and hades? He also tosses out that evil was made so that there could be free will. What does the bible say about other universes, and the things this man mentions? Does it line up with what is written in the bible?. . Not just the feelings of love and all the nice sounding stuff, but the actual ideas presented in his account. Does anony believe in the guy's(Dr. Eben Alexander) multi verse claim?. . .

truthislight: atheist:

how does this lead to that: "there is no God"?

Where did you see me say it leads to there is no god?. . .Learn to read and understand things. . . .

Stalwert: And still you failed the basic test, for me I won't go and start an argument with an adult that believes in the tooth fairy, you on the other hand you would start a very vigorous argument with such, remember even if shrek calls me a fool, I would probably laugh it our, if shrek calls me son of satan I would still laugh it out why? It is just another fairy tale amongst many, now I would only engage shrek if I perceive this not to be merely fairy tales . . . The LIES here being told are those who spent good time refuting "fairy tales"

You are simply not making any sense. . .You know exactly what I am talking about. . .The fairy tale makes people to go against the atheist, discriminate against them, insult them, treat them badly and even kill them in some cases. . .The atheist are fighting back. . .I repeat, if a shrek uses his fairy tale to discriminate against your, refuse you opportunities, looks down on you, ostracises you and condemns you most of the time based on what his fairy tale tells him/her. . You will spend a LOT of your valuable time arguing with him on that fairy tale. . .You are only telling a LIE if you say other wise . . .

Firstly, William Craig is not some one I consider credible, he tells lies all the time and he is here supporting another person that has told lies. . . He introduced Dr Alexander as if he is an atheist that doesn't believe in all these things already. . . Firstly the man is a self professed christian
who attended Duke University who’s moto is “Knowledge and Religion”.

The thing about making things up and calling it true, is that anyone can do it, and do so without blowing a hemorrhoid. If we took people's personal experiences as solid science, then we could make any loony bin the academy of sciences without reservation. Not to mention the little fact that we can induce these experiences artificially in the lab. Dr. Eben Alexander knows how silly this sounds, he admits, so he prefaces his “proof” with this:
I know how pronouncements like mine sound to skeptics, so I will tell my story with the logic and language of the scientist I am.
“Language”? Who cares? Big words don’t make your experience any more factual. . . .

I read his account and as he says, the deepest most primitive parts of the brain were still active. That would include the pineal gland which is known to release DMT at the onset of death. DMT would lead to hallucinations. A program on his so called voyage into heaven was shown on National geographic last month. Many other scientist and neurologist gave other scientific explanations for his experience, but the man just keep insisting that his experience is only supernatural. . .He is lying just like every body that claims to have been to heaven. . .Being a neurologist doesn't mean he isn't a liar. . .

He follows the popular script of falling into a coma, going to “heaven,” and then cashing in by writing a book about the "experience". The kind of experience the Dr. is talking about would surely turn any of us into a shepherd and not a salesman. . . . I would not even be thinking about my capitalistic goals if I knew for sure without a single doubt that something greater awaited us all. He's not selling a skill or advice. He is actually trying to sell us on that he witnessed heaven but is not going to do much different in his life even though he has found the "holy grail". He would go further than trying to make money on a book if the event was really that compelling to him. Dr Alexander's intent is profit. . . .

I read the guys story on the daily beast website and its all BS. . .He is just trying to use his populatity to promote his new theory and version of christianity. He says that there are other universes, with less "evil" then ours, and that some are more technologically advanced. He is talking about how we are one of many universes with people living in it, and that our Earth, is a unique one spiriually in that it has more evil in it. However, if any of the other universes had people in them and anyone who had committed any sin, they would need a saviour. Would god also send his son through the process of being guilty for the world more then once again? Would he be able to go back to his position as a man on other planets as a physical body when his real body was up in heaven as the conquering king who had overcome sin and death, who held the keys of death and hades? He also tosses out that evil was made so that there could be free will. No, there is evil because we have free will. is Dr Alexander even a christian?. . .Does he know what he is even talking about?. . .

What does the bible say about other universes, and the things this man mentions? Does it line up with what is written in the bible?. . Not just the feelings of love and all the nice sounding stuff, but the actual ideas presented in his account. The guy made everything up and is a liar. . .

frosbel: oh common now, don't get so emotional

So emotional. .LOL!

nuclearboy: I come here (not often), look at who's here and surprise, each time the last half dozen times, mazaje is in!

Oga, seems you have ended up religious without realising it

Running away now - have realised less than 1% of those on earth can think enough to truly learn! No more arguments for this boy!

Happy new year man. . .Quite a while, hope you are good. . .Wishing you the best of the year. . If atheism is a religion then I am happy to have it as my religion. . . . . .I am not one of those that argue endlessly weather atheism is a religion or not. . .To me it doesn't even matter since am not even for universal atheism. . .

JeSoul: I did. If any of insulting quality remain I must've missed it. Please show me...

As long as you remove his that's all. . .My apologies. . .

JeSoul: Don't try to deflect. You know that was a deliberate attempt to insult.

People have been somewhat jovially throwing around the "fool" verse all through this thread and it hasn't been cause for angst.

And you know that my own is not jovial because?. . .

Jesoul. . .If you are going to hide my post. . .Then you have to hide Frosbel's post as well. . .

JeSoul: Mazaje that was un-called for. Please remain respectful in discourse and not insult others faith. Thanks.

You see the problem?. . .He said his god says atheist are fools and he agrees(Using his god to insult others), I am now saying his god is a fool and some how I should respect people's faith?. . .What the hell is that?. . .How about telling him not to use his religion and its bubble to call others fools. . .