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[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol............All you've done here is state that All explanations presented are wrong without vaguely suggesting what a correct explanation might look like. This is irrational skepticism that closely resembles a weird mix of Relativist and Dadaist philosophy. Anyway moving on..........

Please respond to my previous post and let's see if perhaps we can wrest something vaguely rational out of all this.[/quote]I do not know what the right explanation is but I can tell when I see a wrong explanation: I might not know what 23355433333 X 23443245557654 is but I know it is not 10. . . . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]@Mazaje:

Let us go on the tangent you have been clamouring for and deal with your questions.

First, I'll take it that you agree that the precision and improbable complex order of the cosmos is evidence that it has an intelligent designer (codename: GOD). Your challenge to us is to prove to you that the God I worship is true as opposed to a myraid of different theories of God.

I would like you to note at this point that we have left atheism far behind because once you agree that there is a God evidenced by His creation, the question is no longer "Does God exist?" rather it is "Who is God?"

Do you agree up to this point?[/quote]Nope; you are question begging. . .How do you know that the the force responsible for the universe assuming it exist is only one single entity?. . .The environment is evidence for the environment and NOT evidence for any god. . .There is so much that we do not know about the universe; the creators of the universe if there is any could have died, it could be a force or some forces that created and ran away, it could be some alien life that created our own planet and life that is found in it that. . .The universe might have created it self, it could have been created by many forces, it could be that all the life forms on earth were created by some other intelligent life forms living some where in the universe who could be living or dead. It could be anything.

But let me agree with you that there is a single god that created the universe. Pls what evidence do you have to show that your god alone created the universe and not a combination of many other gods or some other single god or some any kind of vague force? I am talking of objective evidence that can stand alone not some philosophical ramblings that provide no evidence at all. . .

Most theist here seem to be confused about atheism, they some how think atheist hate their god(no atheist hates any god). You can not hate what does not exist. . . .Dawkins was not talking in absolute terms, since he does not have evidence to support his ideas. The atheist position can be sumarized by a post that was dropped on nairaland some years ago by someone here

1) If there is a God(creator(s) of the universe), he/she/they cannot be known, to know God is to be God.

2) Religions are all terribly flawed and all are born out of man’s imagination. All the god that men worship are a creation of men as such every society or culture created its own god. . . .

3) The universe is made up of laws the wise explore its loop holes and use it to their advantage.The unwise sit down and keep making things up about the universe purely based on their mythical construct or imaginations. . .What ever man want's to do must be done by man himself. . .

4) Religious faith is mostly irrational, but it is a good psychological coping mechanism.

5) Any phenomena that cannot be replicated and verified independently by others should be classified as fiction or pseudo-science at most. The supernatural claims all falls into this category. the supernatural has never been shown or demonstrated to exist any where. . .Even the supernatural claims that people bandy about all require natural explanations when it matters. . .All supernatural claims do NOT stand on their own when scrutinized.

6) Science does not have all the answers, but those it has are genuine and can be replicated. It remains the best tool at man's disposal to better understand the world and the universe around him. It remains the best tool at his disposal that is universally acceptable for the betterment of his life and environment.

7) The big banng theory is as lousy as the creationist theory; yet they both agree on one thing, that is, “NOTHING existed before existence”. Maybe God is NOTHING. They are both theories and should be taken as just that, nothing more, nothing less till they can be proved and replicated. Until any of them is substantiated, but remain the invention of men trying to find possible explanations for what they see. . .

8.)The God’s of religion are anthropomorphic, they usually take the nature of their host community and the human nature of its founder e.g. Angry God, blood thirsty God, loving God, vengeful God, Randy God etc. Humans created all these gods and as such they reflect the culture that created them. All gods have to evolve over time, example the christian and muslim gods are evolving before our very eyes because the people that believe in them are also evolving in their thoughts and belief systems. . .The muslim god is very slowly evolving but will still evolve over time. . .

9) Fear and Violence are the historical and present driving forces of most religion, it’s about control and power to lord the ignorant masses.

10) Blind faith is sheer stupidity and an avid mockery of the human intellect, it is spite to the maker of the human mind; be it deity(s) or evolutionary forces of chance.

11) One man’s God is another man’s Demon/Devil; the God of the victor is worshipped while the God of the vanquished is classified as a demon. History shows that today’s God might become tomorrow’s demon. Our local deities in Africa are presently referred to as demons, but they were once revered and worshipped as very mighty Gods.

12) To base ones believes on eternal damnation or pleasure is just an extended gratification of our human pleasures, greed and fear. E.g why give me gold in the afterlife, why give me many women when I die, why must the afterlife be made up of images of this present life?
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3) If a God is real and powerful, he should fight his own battles and leave humans out of it. If god exist then humans have no business trying to convince other humans about its existence. Such god/gods should do that themselves. If any god/gods can create the universe then revealing themselves to humans should not be a problem, after all in story books written by religious people we were told that such gods once lived with men or appeared to men when they were primitive and without much knowledge. Why is it that as men gained more knowledge and were able to understand and control their environment all the god's disappeared and ran away?. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Perhaps it is time to say what I think of the video:

Conclusion:
Watching that video showed me something very important: It is not that the there is no evidence for God as the atheist would like to believe, It is just that the atheist is fanatically committed to a naturalistic worldview (which by the way, he has no justification for as it cannot explain all the aspects of his reality) and for that reason, even when he sees evidence for God staring him in the face, he refuses to acknowledge him.[/quote]And the supernatural explain what aspect of reality?. . .Where is the evidence of the supernatural in action. . .Just a single evidence of the supernatural in action will do. . .Natural processes and principles have been used to transform the earth and life completely. . .Man uses natural principles ALL the time to do things and alter how things are done. . .The supernatural has NEVER been shown to work or applied any where it is only claimed and REMAINS a myth plus a figment of imagination of those that advocate it. . .

As for evidence of god, its funny how the god that christians promote now has been reduced to an intelligent designer. . .The christians god is always evolving and shrinking. . .From the god that speaks to people, answers their prayers, protects them the way a father will protect his kids, self evident god that speaks to them and wants a personal relationship with them etc. . This same god has now been reduced and relegated to the deist creator or intelligent design god. . .If we agree that the universe was intelligently designed, how do we know and what are the evidence to show that the god of the bible did it and not some aliens living in another part of the universe or some other supernatural group of gods that live outside space and time?. . .Where is the evidence that yahweh alone created the universe?. . .Why not allah or any of the other hindu gods?. . .What is the evidence that every thing was created by a being that speaks the human language and interacts with humans?

The conclusion of that video was very telling: When Dawkins is asked what he will say to God after his death, Dawkins says he'll ask why God took so much pains to hide Himself.
Dawkins forgot that he had just suggested that "the details of molecular biology might hold the signature of a designer". Clearly the evidence of God lies before Dawkins. Pity he would rather it was aliens.

And you know it is not aliens, how?. . .If you can provide SPECIFIC evidence to show that your god alone created anything and not some other god or gods or a group of aliens then we might take you seriously. . .You even claim you speak to your god. . .Tell him to give you evidence as part of the tools your need to convince the atheist of his existence since you are constantly making his case for him and failing all the time due to lack of any evidence. . .Tell your god since you claim to speak to him to provide you with evidence already so that you can win more people on his side for him. . .Here is the FACT, you don't know anything. . .You don't know what, when and how the universe was created. . .You don't even know what created it. . .You only BELIEVE that some entity which you have been indoctrinated to accept a non existent entity that lives ONLY in your imaginations created it. . .

But God's angry displeasure erupts as acts of human mistrust and wrongdoing and lying accumulate, as people try to put a shroud over truth.
But the basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is! By taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, people have always been able to see what their eyes as such can't see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of his divine being. So nobody has a good excuse.
What happened was this: People knew God perfectly well, but when they didn't treat him like God, refusing to worship him, they trivialized themselves into silliness and confusion so that there was neither sense nor direction left in their lives. They pretended to know it all, but were illiterate regarding life. They traded the glory of God who holds the whole world in his hands for cheap figurines you can buy at any roadside stand. Romans 1:18-23(MSG)

Allah created the universe. . . .Go and read what he says in his revealed book the koran. . .

frosbel: I am sure you guys have some degree of education, so tell me , can a process come out of nowhere and start working without a design in place ?

I work in the IT world, and we design solutions and processes day in day out, when the customer receives our solution after a successful testing, they notice that their applications run faster, information can be shared more intelligently and collaboratively , and tasks can be performed more efficiently, it all works like magic.

More importantly , they are fully aware that the processes which make the solution work have been well thought through, planned, designed and project managed into a solution fit for purpose. They do not stupidly think it all happened by chance.

So tell me oh great and intelligent ones, if people believe that these less complex processes have a designer and creator, is it not quite foolish to deny the same logic to the more complex and advanced processes of nature.

You guys need to start using your brains and not your emotion.

OK, I agree that the universe was designed. . .Now provide evidence that it was designed by Yahweh ALONE. . .YOU are the one making the extra ordinary claim so you need to provide extra ordinary evidence. . .Why should I accept that your god alone desiged the universe and not the pantheon of Hindu gods or some super-intelligent aliens from another universe?. . .

greatgod2012: Madam CC, thanks, i thought im d only one who reason like this. Why must one use a BB, if one cant afford it, why will i feel cheated when my money in not taken trickly from me......it is his money, he can spend it d way he feels like, until you are both married, i dont see any reason why you have to feel cheated for not spending or buying things for you, even within marriage sef, it has to get limitation on how you demand from men your own personal things, else, you loose d respect he has for you.
Well, as for me, once a man is responsible for his fatherly roles in d house as much as he can afford, then, my own personal needs are not forced on him.
From another angle, he may even be saving towards your so-called wedding that is on d way, he may even be having a wonderful plan towards what will be beneficial to both of you in d future, which he is yet to tell you.
In conclusion,If you see prudency in him, dont feel cheated......hes only being conservative, and he would surprise you in no time, if you two ended up marrying each other.
May God help us all.

Agegi jor, leave stori for story book. . .when you truly love you will give. . .If you earn 8 times more than your babe whom you are in love with and she is in need it is your duty to give her even when you are not married. . .Some men are just STINGY and will never change. After marriage it will only get worse. . .

davidylan: I dont know that the above had anything to do with what i said or what was in the video.



Again the issue wasnt about my opinion of God.



It seems to me that all you are interested in is hacking back to the same tired escapist noise-making. Again the issue is the video not about my proof or lack of proof of God.

Let me not derail this thread. . .It is about Dawkins and his opinions. . .

Here is my own final input. . .Dawkins is deluded. . . I am disappointed in him after watching this interview. I am not his fan any way. With the vigour and passion with which he supports evolution as a "fact" one will think he will be able to answer simple questions and offer a better explanation than he did. . .Instead he was unable to answer simple questions and was rattled by the very simple questions he was asked. . .He was sincere by stating he did not know when he didn't but over all I think he is deluded and gave a very poor interview. . .

davidylan: Your post is an exercise in unserious mental gymnastics. Dawkins introduces that 1% seed of doubt that he is not fully sure that God does not exist... so how exactly can you say he is sure of what he is saying? The dictionary definition of the word "sure" states - Confident in what one thinks or knows; having no doubt that one is right:. Unless statistics has lost its meaning... a 99% confidence interval means there is a 1% chance that our observed value is NOT the true value. So to say that he is "sure" that God does not exist makes a mockery of logic.

The rest of your post was irrelevant to the issue. Ben Stein isnt the one on the spot here.

Dawkins was asked for evidence of his ideas of how life began on earth... well his answers were no better than what one would expect from a 5-yr old. You can call that crying or singing too.



This is a joke. Please watch from 4:0 and watch Dawkins waffling about speculative "myths".

Not to defend Dawkins. . .I am not him so will allow him to speak for himself. . .For me I am 100% sure that all the gods of man made religions(Yahweh, Allah, Shiva, Anu, Akanamun etc) do NOT exist in reality because they are all man made and without men and what they chose to write or say about them they will not exist. . .They exist actually in the beliefs people hold about them and not in reality. . .The day men stop believing in them all of them will cease to exist, since they exist only in beliefs and imaginations. . .

davidylan: So i decided to watch the entire video as Anony suggested and i will start with these general observations...

1. If this man is the reason most atheists consider themselves full of logic and reason... then really i just have to shake my head in pity.
2. Even Ben Stein noted the BLEEDING OBVIOUS - Richard Dawkins AGREES that some form of intelligent design was REQUIRED to create the type of complexity that we see in nature today (watch from 4:00)... his only problem really isnt about intelligent design JUST CERTAIN TYPES OF DESIGNERS SUCH AS GOD!

It is the logic that you espouse that is actually PITIFUL in real life. . .One minute you claim with ALL certainty that your god exist and can either do this or that or actually does this or that but when asked for SPECIFIC evidence for the god you shout and claim exist, you begin to cry and say that others can NOT prove their own assertions. . .Who then is fooling who, you who go around claiming what you know has no evidence for even though you claim evidence for it exist or he who gives room for all kinds of natural possibilities because the supernatural has never been shown to exist any where. . .

The problem with Richard Dawkins is quite obvious, he hates God QED. Every other argument is an excuse to wipe God out of the equation. It is amazing that someone who mocks christians for placing blind faith in myths is fumbling in the dark with ridiculous myths such as "some super race somewhere that evolved in another planet by some darwinian mechanism and then seeded our planet with life...". Incredible! For someone who insists on science, logic and reason... the above explanation for life (that he honestly admits he cannot prove even though he keeps bleating at christians to prove God exists) is an exercise in eye-popping demagoguery.

He hates god?. . .Here you are talking about a specific god which is the god of the bible as if it exist with evidence to back it up. . .Now your bible god as been reduced to intelligent design and what we see around instead of the self evident god that talks to people and makes himself known to their through interacting with them. . .The bible does NOT talk about god in a subtle manner, it talks about god as a person that can be interacted with, spoken to, a dominant force that walks all over the earth, that speaks, talks, acts and is self evident not the subtle god is intelligent desig you guys are now portraying. . .

Note how very little confidence he himself has in the idea that somehow life is merely a product of some self-replicating DNA... I suppose as a scientist himself, he understands how unserious that notion is. We fumble around with RNA molecules all day in the lab, no serious scientist worth his salt believes we can create life our of primordial soup.

Ok, even if we are to assume that life was created. . .Did any god tell you he created life alone?. . .How can we know that your own version of god created life and not some other version of god. It is OK to speculate and AGREE that you are speculating. . .But when you claim to KNOW for sure then be prepared to give evidence for your assertions. . .

italo: This man is closer to accepting God than people think.

It is very likely that he knows that God exists but won't publicly accept due to pride.

He must be wondering: "How would the headlines go?"

People like this deceive the less clever ones into rejecting God, then end up turning to God on their death beds.

...There have been many like that.

Which god is he closer to accepting? Allah, Brhama, Shivah, Panku, Yahweh? Which god exactly?. . .

davidylan: I stopped watching at 2:25, i couldnt help but notice that even Richard Dawkins is NOT sure that God does not exist. Why is he uncomfortable just stating that God doesnt exist and moving on? I think this strikes at the heart of why atheists "violently" push their ideas at all costs. Deep down, there is that gnawing nervousness... that just maybe....

He said he is 99% sure god doesn't exist. . .How then can you say he is not sure god does not exist. . .IMO he was very honest in the interview, he cleary stated he did not know when asked about things he did not know and gave room for other possibilities. . .If the tables were turned and Ben Stein was being asked the questions, he will start telling you that a god exist because some primitive men that lived thousands of years ago who thought that all humans descended from one man and one woman said so in their very tribal and mythical stories. . .Ask them for evidence for such god and they begin to start crying and singing. . .

@ OP

I think Dawkins was quite honest in the interview, gave his opinions and was honest to admit he didn't know instead of stating obvious lies, mythology and fiction as facts the way the religionist will do. . .Ask Ben Stein the same questions and all you will get will be "I know god exist because some unknown people said so in a book". . . . bla bla bla. . .

Sam Harris is the best of the 3. . .Richard Dawkins is a VERY poor debater. . .There are excellent atheist debaters like Victor Stenger, Eddy Tabash, James Cole, Susan Rice etc. . .Quali Soup is EXCELLENT.

LemonBoy1: ^^^ lol, bros, u knw d bible well oh. So lt me ask u, wen d bible says d wages of sin is death, wat does it mean?

Just show me where it is written in the bible that those that do not believe in Jesus will be saved. . .I have shown you where it says they will not be saved. . .Show me where it is written that they will be saved. . .

Non of them is victimless. . .They are all crimes that affect others in one way or the other. . .

toba: Beautiful. What does Jesus represent? If u can answer this, then u'll understand my point. What was Jesus' Message? Who is Jesus? who is a christian? What is Jesus' message to the world? Did he come and established himself or the principles of God? Ans and you'll see why im very correct

Just show me ONE place where the bible says that unbelievers will go to heaven. . .Show me one place where it says that people that do NOT believe in Jesus will be saved. . .

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. (John 3:16)

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10:9)

All this in addition to what Jesus said about him being the ONLY way to god. . .SHOW me where the bible says that people that do not believe in Jesus will be saved. . .Why do you guys keep remixing what is written in black and white?. . .ALWAYS trying to force your own opinions into what is already written simply because you do not agree with it or it does not make sense to you. . .

toba: Dont get it wrong. U are not on ur way to hell for failing to be a christian. What about those that died as good Muslims? You need to fully understand what Christianity is all about. It simply means Christ-like. You admitted that Jesus has good characters. what Christians does is to follow these characters and make heaven. Jesus said we shouldnt kill or do evil. If u obey him, then you have no issues. You're here on NL posting and no moderator can ban you for posting. You'll only be banned for breaking the rules and if you failed to accede to corrects, Seun reserves the right to ban u 'eternally'

Christians and their endless revisionism. . .Always self projecting themselves as god. . .Where does the bible say that every body will go to heaven. .

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

ashson: SHARRAPP!! MUNAFIKI, U DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT QURAN OR ISLAM! MUNAFIKI BAMAGUJE KAWAI!!!!

UWAR KA CHE MUNAFUKA. . .UBANKA NE BAMAGUJE. . .SHEGE DAN ALADE KAWAI!!!!

@ Debosky

Here is a perfect example of the self projection as god I was telling you about. . .Both the proponents of the women should not preach or serve as head of church and the opponents use the bible to justify their positions. . .Every body is using his own opinion and personal interpretation and pushing it forward as that of his/her god. . .What is the central biblical teaching on women and church leadership?. . .Are they allowed to serve as the head or not?. . .

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vedaxcool: And you want us to believe you understand anything about conflicts in the North? After all you people simply have no evidence for your claims except conjecture which seem more like an attempt to read peoples' mind like your signature indicates, unless atheism come with mind reading abilities if you read your reply which happens to assume various interests in starting conflicts, you would come to realize that it consist nothing more than simplistic pandering to matters that are quite complicated in a lot of sense!

What more evidence do you want?. . .A teacher was killed in Gombe by her students becaused they accused her of desecrating the koran, a riot broke out in university of maiduguri because a student claimed he saw parts of the koran in the toilet. A man named Gideon was baheaded in Kano because he was accused of desecrating the koran. A police man in kano was almost beating to death because he was accused of insulting the prophet. . Non muslims were killed in the North by muslims because of some cartoons published in Denmark. . .Miss world roits. . .The grand mufti of Saudi Arabia publicly declaring that islam should be the only religion in the Arabic peninsula and all churches should be destroyed because the propeht said only one religion should be practiced there. . .When will the supreme council of islam come together and publicly denounce sheik Shekau and his BH boys?They publicly condem GEJ for retireing or removing some senior muslim officers from service. Are unbelievers not referred to as "arna" by the average muslim in the north? Where do MOST religious crisis begin from and on what day?. . .

Why do police and the military escort muslims from their places of worship on fridays when ever there is tension in parts of the north? When was the last time you saw christians killing muslims because the name of Jesus was blasphemed?. . .Why are imams like sheik Gumi and co constantly preaching about hate of unbelievers? What exactly are you talking about and why are you telling LIES?. . .I repeat make sure you read the nonsense you type before posting. . .

musKeeto: @tbaba: it seems like you'd rather try to convert us to Islam than address the matter at hand. Save it for another thread.

Those imams misguiding the youths or 'urchins' as our resident troll would like to call them, aren't preaching to them from the Bible or the pages of any science book.

I truly do not understand what vedaxcool is ranting about. . .

[quote author=Bélla3]I was expecting 'good' muslims to agree and congratulate logicboy! Atleast the tone of the original post was neutral... And i thought muslims werent perfect? So why nt agree with this post instead of coming up with excuses like poverty in the north or trying to tell us about arabic?

Well, am not too disappointed.[/quote]My signature says it all. . . People don't believe in their religion because they think it makes sense. They think it makes sense because it's THEIR religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9BOPR3yhY4&feature=related

Here is another muslim preacher from UEA declaring that their war with the jews is a religious one sanctioned by the koran. . .The guy claims that allah has gathered the jews in israel to make it easier for muslims to fight them. Can the LYING vedaxcool provide a video of any hindu or christian using the bible or the verdes in this mordern era for justification or basis for fighting muslims? The problem is islam not the people residing in the north of Nigeria. . .

Here is more for vexdaxcool that keeps LYING that the problem is from the north and not islam. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8dhrzQCHY

Here is what an Islamic cleric called Muhammad Hussein Yaqoub. . .For those that can not watch the video, here is the transcipt of what he said word for word translated from arabic to english. . .

Muhammad Hussein Yaqoub: If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them? Of course not. We will never love them. Absolutely not. The Jews are infidels not because I say so, and not because they are killing Muslims, but because Allah said: The Jews say that Uzair is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that Christ is the son of Allah. These are the words from their mouths. They imitate the sayings of the disbelievers before. May Allah fight them. How deluded they are. It is Allah who said that they are infidels.

[That's Qur'an 9:30.]

Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing. Allah said: You shall find the strongest men in enmity to the disbelievers [sic] to be the Jews and the polytheists.

[Thats Qur'an 5:82.]

Third, you must believe that the Jews will never stop fighting and killing us. They [fight] not for the sake of land and security, as they claim, but for the sake of their religion: And they will not cease fighting you until they turn you back youre your religion, if they can.

[Thats Qur'an 2:217.]

This is it. We must believe that our fighting with the Jews is eternal, and it will not end until the final battle and this is the fourth point. You must believe that we will fight, defeat, and annihilate them, until not a single Jew remains on the face of the Earth.

It is not me who says so. The Prophet said: Judgment Day will not come until you fight the Jews and kill them. The Jews will hide behind stones and trees, and the stones and tree will call: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him except for the Gharqad tree, which is the tree of the Jews. I have heard that they are planting many of these trees now. [...]

[That Hadith can be found at Sahih Muslim 6985.]

As for you Jews the curse of Allah upon you. The curse of Allah upon you, whose ancestors were apes and pigs.

[That's Qur'an 2:62-65; 5:59-60; and 7:166.]

You Jews have sown hatred in our hearts, and we have bequeathed it to our children and grandchildren. You will not survive as long as a single one of us remains.

[...]

Oh Jews, may the curse of Allah be upon you. Oh Jews... Oh Allah, bring Your wrath, punishment, and torment down upon them. Allah, we pray that you transform them again, and make the Muslims rejoice again in seeing them as apes and pigs. You pigs of the earth! You pigs of the earth! You kill the Muslims with that cold pig [blood] of yours.

advocate666: Learn to write. Where did you say south? You specifically singled out the igbo tribe.

OK, I apologize. . .I do not promote or encourage tribalism in any way. . .

traeces: I know a few people who will literally develop headaches if they were required to provide answers for any of the following elementary science challenges.
X^3=9; solve for X
Tell the elemtary constitution of table salt.
Give an example of a mammal.
State Newton's 3rd law of motion.
But some of this people believe in Science they know nothing about other the definitions they can lift from dictionaries here and there, but in God they choose not to believe.
It beats the imagination of my small mind really.

OK, let me engage you. . .Who is God?. . .

vedaxcool: Wow, this is essentially illogical rants:

1. El Rufia tweets got to how many? Compared to the thisday publication?at least nairaland which has a greater reach than el rufia tweet followers, yet no muslim have ever engage in riot what so ever, because of the numerous blasphemy our ever so "tolerant" op engages in. The op indeed is an epic fail in this regard

It doesn't matter, what matters is that the word of his blasphemy got out, it made news, yet no christian went about killing muslims because of what he said. . .How many muslims read the Danish cartoon publications in far away denmark before they went on rampage killing others, how many actually read the thisday news paper?. . .Sometime you need to read the nonsense you type before posting. . .

2. Riots in the Northern part of the country is the hand work of street urchins who use it as a pretext to loot the property of non muslims.

It is tacitly and actively supported my the religious leaders and some of the politicians. . .Celebrated imams like shiek Gumi and others promote hate and violence againt non muslims. . .I am a Hausa man from Kano and I KNOW very well what I am takling about, most religious riots occur on fridays, when muslims go to the mosque and are encouraged by their imams to take up arms and run wild because injustice has been done to islam or muslims. . .Back in the days(2002/2003) and still today, in some parts of the north you will see soldiers escorting muslims out of their placees of worship on fridays when there is tension because they know that they usually begin their madness after assembling and listening to their imams that love preaching hate. The average muslim in the north refers to any body that is a non muslim as an "Arne" which is a derogatory word for an unbeliever. I am a Hausa man and you can NEVER tell me what I know because I am one of them. . .

3. Whenever Government is willing to do something about the poverty situation in the north, riots will definately be a thing of the past!

Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Mali, Afghanistan, etc where muslims are fighting in the name of islam and because of islam, nko?. . .Was Osama Bin Laden a poor man?. . .What about Mutallab?. . .You clearly do NOT know what you are talking about. . .Nigerians on average are poor, but why are the poor igbo people not fighting in the name of their religion?. . .They engage in all sorts of crime, from fraud to robbery and kidnapping because of the high rates of poverty there. . .I was very shocked the first time I went to Bayelsa state. . .The poor people there are NO different from the ordinary northern muslim, their plights are the same, but you can never see a poor christian man or woman taking up arma and killing people because some one insulted Jesus. . . .It is a muslim thing, you can bury your head in the sand all you can but you can't take the fact away. . .Where ever a person insults Islam violence must occur, a pastor threatened to burn the koran in the USA and some muslims went on rampage trying to kill people in the name of Islam. . .

4. Most Northern elite prefer to do nothing about poverty in the north! Mazaje claims to be Hausa man who has 1 miilion dols in his account yet the money is preferably left in a bank account than helping the poor, sadly this is how most so called northern muslim elite have preferred the status quo to be maintained, poverty in the north is the $ajor fuel for conflict that is why you rarely hear of such in places like Saudi, Qater, the UAE etc!

Another nonsense talk. . .Was it not the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia that said that all churches in the Arabian Peninsula must be destroyed. The Grand Mufti, who is the highest official of religious law in Saudi Arabia, as well as the head of the Supreme Council of Islamic Scholars, cited the Prophet Mohammed, who said the Arabian Peninsula is to exist under only one religion.

http://rt.com/news/peninsula-saudi-grand-mufti-701/

Even the grand mufti(the highest official of religious law in Saudi Arabia, as well as the head of the Supreme Council of Islamic Scholars of Saudi Arabia) which is the seat of islam knows very well that islam is intolerant and clearly said it. . .Keep lying to yourself and try to obfuscate the very obvious. .Islam is intolerant of others that do not subscribe to its way, that is the FACT and that is evident the world over, its always muslims vs hindu, muslims vs buddist, muslims vs jews, muslims vs christians the world over. . .When was the last time you read about hindus and jews fighting in any part of the world or christians and buddist fighting religious wars?. . .

5. The op lies when he assumes nothing is being done by muslims especially in this regards towards fighting extremism (imagine the ignoramus calling BH fundamentalism when clearly it is extremism) of course the OP has never attended any mosque in the north to know any of what is being done.

We have joint statements from islamic bodies condemning the resignation of top muslim military officers by the GEJ administration but we are yet to see their statement strongly and unequivocally denouncing sheik Shekau and his BH boys. Imams in the north are all over the place cursing GEJ but I have never heard any one of them curse sheik Shekau and his BH boys. . .

6. Strong government, until the government deal with the criminals who go about killing non muslims, the isssue will keep repeating itself, government has sowed impunity by not metting out punishment to this criminal elements. Of course our "tolerant" op really does not know what he is talking about!

I repeat, only one reading the koran with the eyes of faith could seriously disregard that the book on almost every page instructs observant muslims to despise non believers. On almost every page, it prepares the ground for religious conflict. The results are all out for every body to see. . .

musKeeto: Goodmorning,

To the matter at hand, let's learn to live in peace with one another and let God fight his battles and kill those who blashpheme.

I really wonder why people go about killing and fighting people who blaspheme against their supposedly all powerful god that is said to be able to do all things. . .Leave god to fight his battles alone, he doesn't need your help. . . .

Only one reading the koran with the eyes of faith could seriously disregard that the book on almost every page instructs observant muslims to despise non believers. On almost every page, it prepares the ground for religious conflict.

@OP

Why are you the one that is trying to convince people of your god's existence?. . .Why don't you allow him to do it himself?. . .I thought accodring to the myth he can talk, write and appear to people?. . .Why are you doing the beddings of the all powerful one for him?. . .Leave him to do it for himself. . .
[quote author=frank3.16]Honestly the more u try to convice pple, the more I see that u urself is just trying so hard to tell urself that u are on the right track. Cos if I were u, I will think that a God who didn't need my opinion when he created the world will definately not need me to convince pple of his existance. He will do it his own way. Or are u not sure?[/quote]