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Logicboy03: Dont fall my hand. It saddens me when an atheist comes here to troll.

Look at the topic. What advice have you contributed?

LOL!!!. . .You take these things too seriously. . .Knock it off jare. . .

Logicboy03: You do realise that Wirinets first line was false. He attacked a strawman. I am not promoting atheism in that case.

The rest of his comments were not realistic claiming that we should do some carl sagan stuff. Please ask where are are going to find some TV station to start broadcasting such informative/scientiifc videos? Or we should just open a school and start teaching some atheistic philosophy?

You have been out of Nigeria for so long. . .You will understand what he is saying when you get back. . .There is such a thing as being unripe and not yet ready. . .Nigeria as it is right now is NOT yet ready for what you are proposing. . .Atheism is something that comes purely out of education. . .10 years ago if you told me that I will ever be an atheist some day I will just laugh at you and tell you that you are crazy. . .In fact the very first atheist I meet in my life was in London back in 2004. . .I could not even comprehend what he was saying when he was telling me he did not believe in God. . .I was like WHAT . . .How can one not believe in god?. . .To not believe in the existence of god at that time to me was tantamount to not believing that you exist. . .But due to proper education at all levels, I am now where I am. . .The Nigerian society is JUST DIFFERENT. . . It is not ready for now. . .I see atheism as an enlightenment. I actually am not for universal atheism. . .My own is that the theist should allow me be an atheist in peace in Nigeria. . .I just come here to let them know that their beliefs are nothing but beliefs and have nothing to do with the reality around. . .If Nigeria was like Denmark I will never be on the NL religious section.

Dem don come ohhhh. . . .SPAG at its best. . .No be small thing. . .Imagine people talking about what they know COMPLETELY NOTHING ABOUT. Only religion makes people do such nonsense and believe it is a good thing. . .People arging about non existent myths ask them to provide evidence for the mythical heaven and hell and they will start crying and blabbing. . .

alexleo: Your plan is dead on arrival in Nigeria so keep it to yourself. We dont give a hoot. Be ready to be treated like a leper. You think this one is going to be like the one of you and your family members.

LOL!. . . .No be small thing. . .

wirinet: i am sorry to say but i do not agree with your plan, message or methodology. I do not believe in "evangelizing" to bring people into atheism. You will only attract hatred, suspicion and sometimes harm. Although i would love to see atheist come together and promote some specific humanist agenda, seeking to deconvert religious people is not it.

Achieving atheism is like achieving buddhahood(enlightenment), it is a gradual and sometimes painful process. It is not easy to leave the comfort zone religion had provided from childhood and take a plunge into the uncertain uncomfortable world of non belief. Atheism is a state of self realization.

Theses homeless children you plan to use for your campaign, what are you providing for them? Are you going to provide them with a home, education, food? Because them promoting your atheist campaign would definitely estracize from the ultra-religious nigerian society, where children suspected of witch craft are murdered.

My own idea about promoting atheism is to present the facts pertaining to how the universe works and histories of the various religions, and let people who are interested read and decide for themselves. That was how Carl Sagan did it.

The key to fighting religious fanatism is education, education and education.

The ever inspiring wirinet. . . .You truly are my hero here on the board. . .

I actually used to be like you when I started out here. . .Now I don't waste my time debating any body that chooses to engage me. . .I just show the person how illogical his argument is and move on. . .Back in the days as a christian losing my faith I often wonder what I was reading here. . .The sheer dishonesty you get is really mind boggling. . .People deliberately spinning the bible just so that old myths can be rationalized and kept alive due to excessive indoctrination. . .

Let me give you an example that covers everything you have said. . .There is a debate between William Craig and an atheist that took place in Australia(I am trying to look for it on youtube but I am not getting any thing, I don't know the name of the other guy he debated, so the search is difficult, will still post it here when I get it). . .During the question and answer question a guy asked William Craig if he believes the bible is the infallible word of god, William Craig tried to dance around it but latter said he believes so. The guy asked him if the bible correctly explains the creation of the universe because the bible has a detailed explanation if how the universe was created and it does not agree with what we know and what we can observe. The guy asked him if he believes the creation account is factual and if he can reconcile it with the observable evidence. . .The guy who is a student of astronomy cited some examples of how the bible just got it wrong. Dr Craig then said that yeah the creation account in the bible can not be reconciled with observable evidence because it is actually an allegory. . .It is not supposed to be taken literally. . .He said the bottom line is that god created the universe and that is what matters. . .The bible said in the beginning god created the universe and science affirms that the universe had a beginning he said. . .The guy pressed him and he flatly said the creation account in the bible is false but it is immaterial because it is an allegory. What matters is that god created the universe. . .

He said the creation account is not to be taken seriously because it is an allegory. . .But the fact is who ever wrote the creation account in the bible NEVER wrote it as an allegory, he wrote it thinking that actually was how the earth and the universe came about. . .The person had no Hubble , Kepler and James Webb space observatory to help him out. . .The genesis creation account was never written as an allegory. . .Christians have been using it to explain the creation of the universe for hundreds of years. Now the once "factual" account is now an allegory because it doesn't agree with observable evidence. . .

This is the same man that stated that the bible is the infallible word of his god some seconds ago. . .When it comes to religion you can not just get a honest answer because people will even lie to themselves to promote their beliefs. . .You can never get an honest answer. . .Its always one lie or the other so that ancient myth can be promoted. . .

wirinet: Now to the topic at hand after debunking the lie that the big b.ang theory( or any other scientific theory) has no evidence to back it.

A people create a God that reflect the attributes of the people that created it. It reflect the physical appearance, language, culture, psychology and aspirations of the the creators of the God. Apart from the power of creation and control of nature attributed to these Gods, they are usually not different in nature from powerful tribal kings. It is conquest that is usually responsible for spreading the influence of a God beyond the society that created it. Of course a conquered people would be subservient to its conquerors in terms of religion, culture, language and everything else.

Also, the temperament of a God reflects its creators. A peaceful and loving people would create a peaceful and loving God, a war-like and vengeful people would create a wicked and vengeful God, and vain and greedy people would create a vain and materialistic God.

The problems I have with our friends here is that their ability to speak from both sides of their mouth is really mind boggling. . .WE have the bible and exactly how it says god supposedly created the universe. . .It even gives a detail account of how the everything was created in 7 days. . .Now we know that the way their god said he created the universe is completely wrong, the same christians have now pushed their once "factual" creation myth to the realm of mythology by saying is it just an allegory but they still maintain that their god created the universe. . .Even after acknowledging that his own account of creation is wrong and doesn't agree with what we now know. . .

wiegraf: With 'evidence' to back that up...blind faith... At least they try a bit more than muslims, who look you in the eye and claim there's a book of fairy tales that couldn't possibly written by humans................

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The conviction with wchich muslims keep repeating that nonsense is TRULY mind boggling. . .Muslims will look you in the eyes and tell you that the Koran could not have come from humans at all, its origin must be divine . They say it with all serious convictions. . .I am always like what the hell

musKeeto: Indeed. I would have been a hypocrite to hold on to one experience to explain the world. If there's God, he would transcend religion. 'This God' would be a much plausible answer to the mystery why there are good/bad atheists/christians/muslims.

Christianity explicitly states to be the ONLY way. I couldn't get around that, especially after my experiences in India..

Every religion claims to be the ONLY way to what ever concept of god its founders chose to create and propagate. . .Nothing new there. .

musKeeto: I rest my 'voice' ;-)

Yes, ohh. . .The voice needs to be rested. . .

cyrexx: Hmmm, interesting,

"God pitched a TENT for the sun"

"He makes the sun RISES and make circuit ROUND the earth"

"voices go out to the ENDS of the earth "

And these are the imaginations and the words of a biblical prophet known as David who obviously knows a lot about our universe cos he was inspired by the so-called creator of the universe .

This is really interesting. Thanks for sharing.

So please tell me again how the Iron Age Mysticism in your Holy Book tells us everything we need to know. I 'll be over here watching as science reveals much more than your prophets could have imagined
-Carl Sagan

LOL!!!! No be small thing. . .

musKeeto: On that same thread, I explained that I believe that what Christians refer to as 'an inner voice' is just our thoughts...

As to what I experienced that day, it wasn't just an 'inner' voice. I can't explain it away because there was no reason whatsoever to have had such an experience. I didn't care much about God before then..

'The voice' is something quite impossible to explain. It led me to my knees, Mazaje; I'm someone who's usually reserved and very careful when it comes to making decisions.
If you ask me for evidence, I have nothing to offer. It was a totally subjective experience. As to its nature, it wasn't audible as to my ears, it was 'audible' as per within.

I was a christian and a muslim before and I have experinced these things. . .When my mum told us to leave islam and convert to christianity I expereinced something similar. . .I was very young(about 14 years old) then and was full of fear. . .My uncle(A muslim) preached to me and warned me vehemently against becoming a christian on the day we left Kano for Benue(There was no Kogi state then). . .I was so fearful and confused that in the night I "heard" voices telling me never to leave islam because it is the chosen path and I will perish if I do. . .

In retrospect, I now know that it was the excessive fear I had, the confusion and my wild imaginations that resulted in the "voice" because I was very fearful. . .I heard "voices". . .But in reality it was just me fighting with my self over what decision to take and what the consequences of my decisions will be because those choices were paramount to my existence as a person at that time.

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]No, because I happen to know God to be true. It is as firm a conviction as I know that I am a Nigerian man.[/quote]We know that Nigeria is true because we have all been there, lived there or are still living there. . . .It has a map, it has cities, it has a leader, it has a flag, a currency and many other things that shows that it is truly a place that exist, these features differentiate it from other countries.

How do you know your god to be true?. . .I just want you to provide SPECIFIC objective evidence that shows that your god exist on ITS OWN independently of what you say about it. Please provide a factual description of your god’s characteristics and abilities so that we can be sure that we(atheists) will know it when we see it, hear its voice or come in contact with it . Try to be as specific as possible to avoid ambiguity. We need to be able to differentiate your god from other god's or other phenomena. So, for example, claiming that your god is love or the universe is all around is evidence for your god is not helpful in the least, because many have claimed that the universe all around us is evidence for their own god as well. . . Claiming that your god is supernatural or beyond the natural, observable universe is also not helpful. If your god is beyond the observable universe then how could you possibly have observed it to conclude that it is real? So again, please provide a factual description of your god’s specific characteristics and abilities that are objective that is self evident.Nigeria has SPECIFIC thaings that can be shown or pointed about it to show that it exist and is real. . .Specific things about your god to show that it exist on its own independent of your own thougts is what I want please. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]Well, Muskeeto is here on this thread. Why don't you ask him directly[/quote]It applies to you as well. . .When god speaks to you, is it an audible voice? if yes how does it sound, and how can I know it is god and not something else or some one else. .People keep saying god speaks to them but they keep saying he tells them very different things that are opposite of each other. . .Some say he tells them the universe is 6000 years old while others say he tells them that the universe is billions of years old for example

@ Muskeeto was it an audible voice you heard or just your inner thoughts(inner voice). . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]And who says God is silent these days? God still speaks to people all the time. The question is are we listening?

Here is an example from your friend muskeeto hearing a voice speaking to him:xh

https://www.nairaland.com/1156627/atheists-please-tell-us-conversion/1#13766379


Perhaps it is God or perhaps it is not God. Question is if you heard a voice from apparently nowhere telling you to repent, will you accept it as God or will you seek every excuse possible to explain it away?[/quote]So god still speaks to people? When was the last time god spoke to you and how does his voice sound like? How can a person know that it is god and not his imaginations . When I imagine things o hear voices come up in my head sometimes. Did muskeetoo hear an audible voice or was he imagining things the way every body does? Can you tell us exactly how god speaks to peole so that we can know it's him and not just our own inner voice .

davidylan: An explanation with no "evidence" at all is mere speculation based on faith. So is it your claim that BB has no evidence whatsoever and is merely a theory that may or may not be true?

The BB has some evidence to back it up. . .The BB may or may not be true.

davidylan: kmcutez said nothing worth refuting... all she did was hurl slurs at the bible. you cant fix stupid bro.

Are you saying that rainbow first appeared about 4000 years ago after the mythical global flood? Can you provide evidence to show that refraction of light did not occur 4000 years ago?

davidylan: Ok in your last post... you point is that "nobody knows" but earlier you had said that the scientific evidence was the BB.

I'm confused, do we know for a FACT that the BB is the scientific explanation or do we not know? It cant be both when it suits you.

Learn to read. . .This was what I said. . .

mazaje: The scientific explanation for the creation of the universe is the BB. . .

Explanation and evidence are two very different things. . .

davidylan: Oh dear... i ask a question 5 times and all i get is a long 6-line diatribe on the mythical concept of God?

In the spirit of how YOU want your questions answered, i will extend the same courtesy to you that you please explain HOW the big ba.ng conclusively provides explanation for the creation of the universe. Can you tell us EXACTLY what the big b.ang is, how it started, how exactly it lead to the formation of life as we know it. Please provide a factual description of the events prior and immediately after the event in question. thanks.

And where did I make any of the claims you are making above? Where did I say the scientific explanation says any of the nonsense you have put up there?. . .Below is the very first post I made on this thread. . .

mazaje: The problem with people like davidylan is that the KNOW very well that their mythical belief are FALSE but due to excessive early childhood indoctrination and the fear of ancient tales and mythology he keeps on insisting that others MUST believe in something. . .My own is that know body knows anything as such no body can give you any credible evidence that can stand any test. There are MANY atheist like me that believe in nothing when it come to how the universe and humans on planet earth came about. . .Ever body is just speculating and that remains the fact. . .people like davidylan will tell you that science supports they man made god but when asked how they will begin to cry and speak in tongues. . .The question I always ask the tyheist that claim that their own specific god created the universe and ALWAYS fail to provide a single evidence for their lies is this. .Why asset something that you CAN"T even provide evidence for in the first place?. . .Scientist no matter how wild their claims are always try to provide some testable evidence or something that can be demonstrated even though its not sound enough. . When will these liars bring something other than words of mouth?. . .The fact that they are always telling others about a god they claims speaks to people and wants a personal relationship with him says it all. . .Deluded goons. . .

You seem not to know what you are on about. . .

davidylan: I ask again for the 5th time... how does science prove that God is a mythical idea?

How exactly does science explain the creation?

Still waiting for answers.

History has already proven that god is a mythical idea and a man made construct, scince can not disprove a mythical construct. . .No god can be shown to exist on its own independent of human stories, what human culture choses to say or portray about such a god idea it created and human societal acceptance and infulence of the god idea it created. . .Science has nothing to do with the mythical god idea. . .Science can only disprove certain things written in mythical stories.. .For example lets take the myth about how the rain bow came about according to the bible. . .According to the bible the rainbow began about 4 thousand years ago after the mythical global flood, Science can disprove that narrative by showing that rainbow is simply a refraction of water droplets in the atmosphere and has been in existence for millions of years. .Any where there is a refraction of water droplets in the atmospher a rain bow will appear. . .Thats how science debunks fairy and mythical tales. . .


The scientific explanation for the creation of the universe is the BB. . .

davidylan: I'm not even sure you understand the point. I am not making a positive claim for God... infact on this thread i have made no claim for anything. I only came here to understand how science explains the issue of the earths creation and the beginning of life. So i will ask again for the 4th time - how does science disprove the existence of God?

Answering that question should not be dependent on whether i believe in God or not PROVIDED you have the scientific evidence you all claim exists.

God is a man made mythical idea, as such it has no verifiable evidence to support it and science has nothing to do with that mythtical idea. . .

davidylan: well perhaps you can start by telling us EXACTLY how the earth was created, how life evolved, how the galaxies were formed from expanding space and why exactly life exists on only one planet. Please provide a FACTUAL DESCRIPTION of the scientific evidence that disproves that God could have created the earth. As usual atheists NEVER answer any questions... they hide, deflect then ask the same tired questions that they have repeated on 200 threads.

I am not making any positive claim. . .You are the one making a positive claim for god. . .You have not even established through the scientific process that your god idea exist in the first place, yet you want me to disprove your idea scientifically or show how science disproves your idea that you have failed to even explain what it is?. . .Can't you see how ridiculous you sound?. . .Again if you can tell us exactly what your god is, how it looks like, how its voice sounds like, how exactly it interact with humans and the univserse etc. . .Please provide a factual description of your god’s characteristics and abilities so that we can be sure that we can pass it over to the scientist to help us know if it exist or not and tell us so that will know it when we see it, hear its voice or come in contact with it. Try to be as specific as possible to avoid ambiguity. If you do that then I will pass it over to the scientist and they will prove or disprove it. . So far and as it stands now science has nothing to do with your mytholgy and imaginations. .

davidylan: I'm not sure what exactly it is you are answering here. No one has ever said science is the basis of christianity.

I asked a simple question - how does science disprove the existence of God? Afterall wasnt that the premise of wirinet's claims that you agreed with?

If you can tell us exactly what your god is, how it looks like, how its voice sounds like, how exactly it interact with humans and the univserse etc. . .Please provide a factual description of your god’s characteristics and abilities so that we can be sure that we can pass it over to the scientist to help us know if it exist or not and tell us so that will know it when we see it, hear its voice or come in contact with it. Try to be as specific as possible to avoid ambiguity. We need to be able to differentiate your god from other god's or other phenomena. . .Do that first before asking questions like how has science disproved your god. . .Science has nothing to do with man made traditional mythology . . .

davidylan: simple question - how did science disprove the existence of God. It doesnt need a 20-line diatribe on my upbringing to answer it.

Science has nothing to do with your mythical man made idea called god(your own happens top be the jewish and roman version). . .You don't need science to help you support your own claims do you?. . .Science has nothing to do with your mythical beliefs. . .You can not even provide a single evidence for the what you are asserting yet you want some one to tell you how science disproves your god idea?. . .You are a joke. .

wirinet: i cannot say science has disproved the thousands of Gods that have existed throughout human history, but i can categorically say science has disproved the Jewish God YHWH, who claimed to have created the world in 6 days using Hebrew words and created man out of inorganic clay and used one rib from man to make woman.

The problem with people like davidylan is that the KNOW very well that their mythical belief are FALSE but due to excessive early childhood indoctrination and the fear of ancient tales and mythology he keeps on insisting that others MUST believe in something. . .My own is that know body knows anything as such no body can give you any credible evidence that can stand any test. There are MANY atheist like me that believe in nothing when it come to how the universe and humans on planet earth came about. . .Ever body is just speculating and that remains the fact. . .people like davidylan will tell you that science supports they man made god but when asked how they will begin to cry and speak in tongues. . .The question I always ask the tyheist that claim that their own specific god created the universe and ALWAYS fail to provide a single evidence for their lies is this. .Why asset something that you CAN"T even provide evidence for in the first place?. . .Scientist no matter how wild their claims are always try to provide some testable evidence or something that can be demonstrated even though its not sound enough. . When will these liars bring something other than words of mouth?. . .The fact that they are always telling others about a god they claims speaks to people and wants a personal relationship with him says it all. . .Deluded goons. . .

musKeeto: They asked for evidence, and I gave them three on this same page in just one day. 2 from one thread, and one specifically wishing that Lb be hanged.

They all ignored them.

I'm much wiser now..

Some lunatic here on NL once said if he meets me in real life he will kill me some years ago here on the religious section. . .And the guy is a christian. I will look it up and post it here when I get the time, yet some fools keep denying the very obvious. . .

musKeeto: Lmao... Strange world, much love for the gay guy and the unbelievers... Hate and punishment for the atheist..

My usual joke..
What the atheist says: I don't believe in God.

What the Christians hear: I just had a 3some with the devil and a demon.

(Nl filter keeps throwing up surprises: 3some is a party?)

3some is now party. . .LOL. . .Wetin dey worry Seun sef. . .

funkydot: @Op
What is all dis sanctimonious nonsense you have just penned that all your ilk here are celebrating?!!! People like you make me sick because you just take a look at someone and condemn then from your high viewing pedestal based on media representation wtf! Just because Goldie lived part of her life in the face of the public being an entertainer doesn't mean she can be trashed for whatever we deduce from her so-called lifestyle forgetting that most of our generalisation about these so-called celebrities are mostly based on assumptions and half-truths. Besides the fact that we found out Goldie was married after her death as well as her celebrated relationship with Prezzo, there doesn't seem to be any other scandal associated with her...now if you would be reasonable and agree with me that in between her so-called 'secret marriage' and dalliance with Prezzo there are a lot of grey areas that we do not understand and perhaps may never know nor is this really any business of ours.In view of the fact that the main man (i.e. her hubby) who should have felt slighted or wronged by this 'adultery' kept praising her really makes me wonder what exactly all this hullabaloo is all about! I believe each and everyone of us should examine ourselves to see if indeed we are living exemplary lives before this castigation of Goldie. For the records, I had no intention of holding brief for her because I could barely stick her while she was alive, perhaps I even said some mean words about her during the BBA episode because she came across as a needy and clingy lady not particularly my type of role model because I mostly admire strong women but this whole ish on her death and lifestyle is just totally pitiful so please let's put some sensibilities into our comments remembering she has loved ones that will be grieving her early demise. Just my 2 cents.

And your point is what?. . .That fools that make a fool of themselves should be immortalized or what?. . .

ckkris: The Bible is the easiest book to UNDERSTAND.

But I admit that it takes great courage to DESIRE to quit stealing, living a false life style, etc, and begin to SEEK an organised and peaceful life.

Its not about membership of 'money-making religious organisation', or assignment of titles.

There is an EMPOWERMENT that makes a person a child of the Most High. Its thrilling, and that's why its called Goodnews.

You do not need to believe in any god to desire not to steal, live a false life or seek and organized and peaceful life. . .I live in an atheistic society and it has less much less crime and better organized people than the very religious Nigeria. . .Your assertion is a complete fallacy. . .

I am not a fan of Dawkins, but the two men in the video are completely deluded. . .

imoh4king: Hey nairalanders! I heard that people who pack shit earn up to N10,000 daily and conductors earn an average of N5,000 daily. This guys earn more than the average graduate employee. What do you guys think? And which of the dirty job would you do if you had no job?

Conductors do not earn up to 1000 naira daily. . .my younger brother has 3 buses and the combine earnings of the driver and conductor is not up to 3000 naira daily. . .

princewell: You guys better be joking or wrong becos I paid N40000 to some native men who told me to bring 3 new currency from CBN so that after some sacrifices, I would be getting millions in my wardrobe every weekend. Just to think that I need to pay them a balance of N30000 by Friday. Can they be 419?

You better go and collect your money back. . ..You have been duped. . .

ifeness: You know nothing Anony .....terrible life style of a typical christian. faith is belief without and against evidence and reason;coincidentally that’s also the definition of delusion.

Anony will tell you you need spiritual eyes to discern the bible. . .But when another christain comes he will offer you his own interpretation that is completely different from his own. . .Even the Jews that wrote the OT and believe in it as their own scriptures do not believe in the original sin nonsense. . .