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These politicians are shameless.

FriendNG:
Guess who is the elder speaking? A Christian from the north.

I thought the useless Ffk and his Yoruba Christian supporters claim they are going with Jos, other north central states and Christian minorities into their new country shall Nigeria divides.

I find it hard to sympathize with northern xtians because I have found their thinking to be just as warped as their Muslim brethren.

I know northern xtians who were shouting 'Sai Baba' a few years back. Today they are quiet.

I know northern xtians who used to say that Biafra (and the Niger Delta) can go but they should leave the oil because 'the oil belongs to Nigeria'.

These people have been slaughtered like chickens for centuries. They have been used as a source of slave labor by their feudal, Islamized neighbors but are still so reluctant to go against that which is clearly wrong.

The same goes for the Middle Belt. I will not cry more for you than you cry for yourself.

slurryeye2:
Take this as my message from this discourse. If you lose your traditions, you lose your identity. If you lose your identity, if you will never move forward. In as much as I support reform some of our traditions, I do not support abolishing many of them, and one of them is the monarchical system

Didn't they used to bury the king's servant(s) when the king died - should we keep that tradition too?

Do you live in a traditional Yoruba house or a modern brick and mortar house?

Do you spend your time farming? Or trading?

Do you plan on waging war on the Fulani to avenge the theft of your land?

Do you continue to worship Shango or have you been swayed by the new gods of Abraham?

slurryeye2:
I know people like you, Mr ITK. You just have to correct my gdp figure even though you are wrong. Nigeria GDP as at year end of 2015 stood at $481 bn, and I'm quite sure the one for 2016 will be lower than that. I never justified slavery, all I said was, stop exonerating other races from participating in slavery. In as much as slavery has been in existence from beginning of time, what distinguished trans-atlantic slavery from other slavery was the treatment of the enslaved as property by Caucasians. I never said Africans haven't done anything wrong, all what I'm telling you is that don't demonize our history and tradition.

https://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/nigeria-gdp.png?s=nigeriagdp&v=201705022125u

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp

We must self police for our own good. It's not about demonizing tradition or history. If something is wrong we must first acknowledge and then correct the mistake.

We should not dogmatically stick to tradition, you see where it has gotten us. We could be so much further along if we didn't have so many people who insist on clinging to outmoded practices. Nigeria must reform or it will die. The same goes for Africa as a whole.

slurryeye2:
The monarch of Ile-Ife has nothing to do with standard of living in Nigeria. The question you need to ask yourself is why despite having GDP of over 400 bn dollars, we are still a third world country. You and I know that Ooni wasn't responsible for mismangement of revenue generated by Nigeria from 1960s till date. If you wanna know the reasons Nigeria and most African countries found themselves in dire state, you need to do some reading but surely it wasn't Ooni or other monarchs fault. About US, dude go to inner cities like Chicago, Compton, St Louis, Flint, Memphis, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Detroit etc. And experience what it is to live as a black in a first world country. Like I told you earlier stop basing your argument on what you see on TV. It is not true reflection of what's going on.



And in your mind, you think Ooni as power or access to resources more than Willem-Alexander? The point of the argument was Ooni just like Willem-Alexander and other European monarchs I mentioned earlier are only constitutional and have zero to limited access to public fund, however, what their institutions represent is upliftment and identification with their cultures and traditions. You bringing Monarchs of middle east doesn't help your argument because with, what you are doing is comparing absolute monarchs with constitutional monarchs.



Bro, you need to understand what Capitalism really is. And if I may ask out of curiosity, where do you think they get those funds from? Do you know who the Rothschild and Medici families are? Like I said, things are not the way you see them. And for goodness sake, can you stop putting the responsibilities of social amenities provision on Monarchs. Ile Ife not having electricity is not the responsibility of Ooni just like running of government affairs in UK is not the responsibility of Queen Elizabeth. Least I forget, Dangote is doing more to eradicate power scarcity because as an entrepreneur he needs stable power supply for his businesses just like Carlos Slim of Mexico is doing in his country



The bolded is the reason why we need reeducation of misinformed knowledge passed to us by Caucasians. We have been wrongly informed to feel guilty and blame ourselves for being enslaved by white people. All races have been enslaving and subjecting others to their rules from time immemorial. Euroasia, Native americans just like Africans sold or conquered others of their kinds into being slaves. And Africans do not sell their family or neighbours into slavery, they sold people of other tribes or villages that they believe were different from them. Also, I believe you should be knowledgeable to know that witch hunting in Europe lasted to as recently as 18th century. During the witch hskyscrAsunting era of Europe that lasted for centuries, guess who were mostly executed? Women and children of course. I'm not trying to justify this barbaric act in present era in Africa but every race has their history and you demonising African history and glorifying European history is a typical whitewashing history we have been taught in school. Don't be fooled brother, do more reading and discovered the truth about your race by yourself.

The Nigerian economy was valued at close to $600 billion in 2014.

The reason why Nigeria is third world is because of the productivity of the nation is not in alignment with the population. Nor would I expect it to be when you have some regions who think it is acceptable to send their children out to beg and when not doing that to waste hours every week reciting Arab nonsense.

As to you trying to justify slavery. Shame on you. Europeans bought slaves from your beloved African monarchs who also fought against the Europeans to maintain the trade when the British attempted to end the barbaric trade. I am not one to romanticize Europe or European history but equally when Africans have done wrong we need to acknowledge it so that we can hold them to account where possible and learn from the error.

MENELIK1:
They dare not, we have been spanking their arses right from time, we have history as a warrior tribe, we developed from kingdom to empire, but the Osus, they were living like barbarians. You may remind me of any pre colonial kingdom of the Osus before the coming of the whites. They only win wars in nollywood films.

The Aro Confederacy kept the Europeans at bay for years.

I suggest you read more.

Again, you haven't explained why it it is the 'Osus' that concern you so much when it is the Fulanis who are killing your kinsmen, kidnapping your monarchs and disrespecting your Vice President.

ElsonMorali:
Wow!

Come closer dear.

Monarchs are part of our culture and tradition.
Do you want me to repeat that?

Kings aren't just kings. They are a very valid part of Yoruba culture.

Whatever obtains in France applies to the French not to me as a Yoruba chap. And not everything the white man does must be copied by us. Get that?

Every society had kings of some sort at one stage or another.

Just because it was done previously does not mean that we must continue with the practice, especially when there is no evidence of it having a positive effect on the society.

Is Ile-Ife safer than parts of the country that have no monarch? Is it more prosperous? Is it cleaner? Is there more industry?

The answer to all the above is no.

MENELIK1:
Because the Osus have stepped on the cobra's tail as such whether or not the topic affects them, they must be bashed. Next time they wont take humility for cowardice.

Why is it 'Osus' that are bothering you when it is the Fulanis who keep invading your space to kill and kidnap?

slurryeye2:
The few ones are wealthy because they live in the wealthiest country QED. But on average many black Americans in US struggle to survive



Monarchs are not corrupt, it is the system they are in that is corrupt which explain why someone like Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands will likely be less corrupt than many monarchs in Africa. And are you complaining how Ooni lives better than everyone else in Ile-Ife? Bro, you need to understand how capitalism works. You think monarchs are living better than others? wait until you know how capitalists and bureaucrats live off others sweat


Those parts of the country that do not have monarchs have traditions and cultures, and my point all the while is keeping those cultures and traditions, identifying who we truly are and be proud of the accomplishments of our ancestors

Your point about African-Americans does not help your argument. Rather the fact that despite the discrimination and abuse that they face affords them access to greater wealth and living standards than the residents of Ile-Ife should cause you to question the need for monarchy.

Willem Alexander has no power and limited access to public resources, he doesn't have as much opportunity to be corrupt. But other monarchs have been and are. The Saudi monarchy are notoriously crooked. Likewise their counterpart in Bahrain.

Capitalists at least have to find sources of income to fund their projects - monarchs do nothing. Does Ile-Ife even have 24 hour electricity? And if not why not? Why is Dangote doing more to eradicate the problem of power scarcity than all of the monarchs in Nigeria?

Our ancestors are not gods, they did some good and they did some silly things - such as hiding behind superstition and religion to explain the world, selling their neighbors into slavery, engaging childish witch hunts of those who tried to do things differently. We should learn from the good as well as their errors to be better instead of foolishly mimicking their behavior. We have access to more information than they did and should use it to progress.

ElsonMorali:
I was hoping you'd realize your folly and keep shut, But alas! Ignorance has become the vestment you so proudly adorn.

A spring or brook that forgets it's source dries up. No doubt.

You want all the kings in Yorubaland to abdicate and abolish their thrones because according to you, they are not contributing anything to society.

I'd be surprised or shocked at this submissions But I recently realized that a lot of Nairalanders wrote this last university entrance examination. Arguing with a kid at times could be strenuous and demeaning.

So instead I'll educate you. You can thank me later.

The Ooni of Ife and all the other monarchs in our lands are the custodians of our esteemed culture, traditions, rites and religion.

These kings/monarchs are the ambassadors of our culture worldwide and the guardians of our collective heritage as Yorubas.

Our culture and tradition are very much exportable and that's why our language is a thing of pride and in high regard and in high demand outside the shores of the African continent.

You may want to check the link below for verification.

https://whatsupibadan./2013/11/16/yoruba-language-is-studied-in-47-american-varsities-says-ui-don/

Our culture, our pride.

We love and revere our kings.

What harm do they do anyway by being monarchs in their domain?

I suspect that you're from an ethnic group that maybe doesn't have such a thing to be proud of, so the next best thing is to pull others down. Grow up!

You haven't presented one valid argument.

People are the reason why languages and customs survive, not a monarchy.

France does not have a monarchy and yet their customs and language remain intact.

What monarchy does China? Has its culture died?

Monarchs set a bad tone for the rest of a society in that they promote inequality and class stratification, hierarchy based on birth rather than on works.

ruggedised:
though I hate apc. But I wish buhari good health, let him complete his tenure. We need peace in this country

Even if he completes his tenure and it becomes apparent to all that he was the failure that I said he would be, his supporters will claim that it was sickness that stopped him from being effective. Not realizing that his refusal to disclose his illness and step down as a result of his ailment is a sign of his lack of integrity or regard for Nigeria.

slurryeye2:
Dude don't base your judgement on what you see on TV. The so called wealthy blacks in US are not up to 0.1% of black population. Apart from these black celebrities, the blacks doing well are African migrants and their children (by African migrants, I mean the Africans that willingly moved to America not those enslaved). Now lemme answer those questions for you.
You see, the reason why corruption is rampant in Africa is because our leaders have lost the African traditions and cultures that preach on morality. Most African traditions are based on morality, seeking out for others and being truthful to yourself. Once you interchange those morality for love of money, what you have is leaders that care for themselves and themselves alone.
On the subject of blacks in Canada doing better than those in US, this is a known fact and a complex one. Take away the very few celebrities, an average blacks of slavery descendants face alot of challenges. Do you know that over 5% of African american male are incarcerated in prisons (lower than 0.01% in Canada), do you know that black youth represent the majority of unemployed in America (very low in Canada), do you know that blacks have the highest homicide rate by their own race in inner cities of America etc (one of the lowest in Canada). Surely, we shouldn't look away from how biased the American system is against the blacks. Having said all these, lemme tell you why blacks in Canada are doing better than their counterpart in US. The reason is because most blacks in Canada are immigrants and descendants of immigrants that are still very much in connection with their cultures and traditions unlike slaves descendants that had their cultures whipped out of them and given their masters' names
Do you want to know why blacks are look down on? Because we have lost touch with who we are, because we are making effort everyday to be more like Europeans, because we have forgotten our traditions and cultures, because we have forgotten how strong we are both mentally and physically, because we have been misinformed that how ancestors did absolute nothing before the Europeans came, because most of us do not know that our ancestors from the Nile gave birth to other civilizations in the world including Greco-roman civilization, because we haven't contributed to modern civilization in recent time as a result of having conflict with our identity.
Even if we eliminate all the monarchs, Africa will still not develop because that won't stop our leaders from being corrupt and self centered.
Africa monarchical institutions make us to remember who we are and how powerful we are as a race. We need this identity if we are going to move forward and not the quasi European identity we are all trying to be. However, I think we need to modernize the monarchical system which is the reason I have so much respect for this Ooni for his effort.
You keep saying the monarchs are useless but I ask, why do you think a country like Canada despite gaining independence from UK 150 years ago still pledge to the queen?

I did not say that all African-Americans are wealthy but they have more wealth than other black populations - they spend over $1 trillion dollars per annum.

Monarchs are often corrupt and because they are not elected by people but are rather said to be chosen by a deity it is harder to depose them.

This monarch lives better than everyone else in Ile-Ife - why?

Also, there are parts of Nigeria that do not have monarchs and have not had monarchs for centuries, that practiced a form of limited democracy. To allow people to chose their leaders has nothing to do with trying to be European. Coincidentally those are the same areas that have made the most social progress over the past century.

slurryeye2:
If you want to engage me in intellectual discourse, I'm ready for you, but I will appreciate if we don't turn it to mudslinging contest.
Now let this slowpoke educate you. I never said African growth stalled because we follow wrong religion, I said the lack of our development is looking away from our traditions and cultures. I need to ask you some questions, why do you think corruption is so rampant in Africa? Why do you think blacks in U.S. are doing worse than their counterpart in Canada despite being in the same continent? Why do you think black race is looked down upon? Do you think scrapping all monarchical systems in Africa, will lead to development? Before I provide answers to these questions, I will like to see your opinion.

You don't go forward by looking forward.

Do you look behind you when accelerating in your car?

We need to be clear on what has hampered Africa and what has assisted out growth - monarchy has not helped. The monarchs of the past did not protect their people from the colonialists, nor did they protect people from the trans-Atlantic or Islamic slave trade.

We must not romanticize the past but rather embrace knowledge.

Blacks in the US are the wealthiest in the world - I don't know how you came to the conclusion that they are doing worse than those in Canada? Besides, you've thrown that false statement out there without acknowledging the history of both nations.

slurryeye2:
He is king because that's the tradition. You see, the reason why black nations are not developed is because we have decided to look away from our traditions and cultures. Apart from UK, do you know there are many countries in Europe with monarchs till today such as Sweden, Denmark, Liechtenstein, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Monaco, Andorra, Spain and Norway. This doesn't include monarchs in Asia

Do you know the reason why these highly democratic countries still have monarchs today? Because that's their culture and tradition. Canada today as big, rich and wonderful it is, they still pledge to the queen in UK, and the queen has absolute no contribution to their economy. Do you know why they do so, because that's their cultures and traditions.
No nation can't be great if you forget your culture and tradition. Like Fela rightly said in his "Teacher don't teach me nonsense" track:
Who be government teacher culture and tradition....he went on by saying African culture and tradition has been replaced by corruption, inflation, mismanagement etc. which explain the reason why Africa is backward.
You need to do more reading my friend

That is the biggest load of nonsense.

You sound like the imbeciles who claim that Africa's progress has stalled because Africans follow the wrong religion.

The problem is poorly informed people, such as yourself, who think that we must keep doing things that do not benefit the society.

If the king was a vanguard of progress and prosperity I would keep my anti-monarchist sentiment to myself, unfortunately for him I am familiar with the issues of Ile-Ife and that is why I ask what his purpose is? Why would people pledge allegiance to an office that offers zero services?

People attack the FG and the state governments in Nigeria but they do far more than this guy and the other useless monarchs.

ijebuloaded:
Some brodas nd sisters from d yeast winnor lyk dz... #Developers

Why is the east on your mind?

fuckerstard:
You didn't answer my question, you seriously think I don't know what humble means?

What is 'humble' about a man who allows others to call him king?

fuckerstard:
Just like that? May i ask why.

Do you know what "humble" means?

hum•ble (hŭmˈbəl)►
adj. Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful.
adj. Showing deferential or submissive respect: a humble apology.
adj. Low in rank, quality, or station; unpretentious or lowly: a humble cottage.

KnightB:
What I could reduced from your post is that, being humble is about dodging responsibility. That's exactly one of the problems we have in this country. We claim to be saints, we have ability yet refused to act; so when things goes wrong we begin to cast blame. I tell you, from all our actions and inactions, we're gonna give account someday.

He isn't doing anything besides taking pictures.

What service does he offer? What are his responsibilities?

Is Ile-Ife in great shape because of him? Does he provide security for the citizens because of his presence?

I'm not blaming him I'm simply pointing out that collective responsibility where everyone is equally invested is better than a monarchical system in which one person is artificially elevated over others.

Where did you get 'being humble is about dodging responsibility' from? Humble is about being modest - what is modest about being called a king? What is humble about wearing clothing that is designed to capture attention and inspire awe in your impoverished people?

Benekruku:
Like the Queen of England did right?

That only proves my point.

Just because others are engaging in archaic, foolish practices does not mean that we should.

fuckerstard:
What a humble King, make Nigeria proud. Unlike that nigga wey dey brag ontop nothing oba agbero.

There is no such thing as a 'humble king'. If he were truly humble he would abdicate and abolish the monarchy.

theophorus:
...Ambode well done but we ain't going to give you second term...

Explain.

budusky05:
River paid part? Such a shame for a state that should pay off for other states


One chance governor

Rivers paid for the project in their state. Even then they have not met their full obligation.

AKS are still owing.

yourexcellency:
Short man Ayade should pay now abi what is the delay for?

Wrong governor.

Udom Emmanuel is the governor of AKS.

This is male prostitution.

Where is the proof that he is Nigerian?

Jflex07:
BMC zombie will never see anything wrong with his pay masters

I'm not a Buhari supporter or apologist in the slightest.

But this case is not unique.

Of course, it wouldn't have been a problem if the state authorities weren't so thoroughly useless and untrustworthy but no one wants to talk about that. They'd rather blame the FG - whether that be GEJ's government or PMB when the truth is that this whole mess came about because of the useless state and local authorities of the north east.

Boko Haram in disguise.

They don't understand that in a democracy everyone has a voice and everyone has a right to speak their mind.

If the northern youth desire a theocracy where no one can say anything then they should form their own country.

pokipoki:
Dude, Iran hostage crisis was not a terrorist hostage situation. The crisis was as a result of change of government and not due to religious beliefs as carried out by Boko Haram.
The underlying factor is terrorism. Please get your facts right.

We're talking about governments negotiating with terrorists.

Learn to read before spouting nonsense.

Too much gold coating makes a place look tacky. I like the size of the rooms, however.

jerseyboy:
All revenue collection arrangements on behalf of governments and it's agencies for whatever percentage as commissions are ripoffs. Such rent seeking scams only exist in dysfunctional countries.

Only it happens everywhere.

There is nowhere on this earth where people who find ways of acquiring power do not end up involved in rent seeking scams - it's how the economy functions, unfortunately.

padiga047:
What would you expect from an Afonja?


NEXT!!

Fraud happens everywhere.

It has nothing to do with which country you happen to be in.

Ikem11:
Nobody is naive here only that you failed to understand that you arguing without concrete facts. Those articles u bringing was written based on what someone thinks. I repeat, no nation negotiate with terrorists to release civilians that isn't diplomat. If u like continue arguing am done with you.

The Americans negotiated with the Iranian terrorists to get their hostages back. Read up on the Iran-Contra affair.

Americans negotiated with Lebanese terrorists in 1983.

British hostage released - no military action. How do you think it happened?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/30/peter-moore-iraq-hostage-freed

The British government maintained a secret back channel to the Irish Republican Army even after the IRA had launched a mortar attack on 10 Downing Street that nearly eliminated the entire British cabinet in 1991. In 1988, the Spanish government sat down with the separatist group Basque Homeland and Freedom (known by its Basque acronym ETA) only six months after the group had killed 21 shoppers in a supermarket bombing. Even the government of Israel -- which is not known to be soft on terrorism -- has strayed from the supposed ban: in 1993, it secretly negotiated the Oslo accords even though the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) continued its terrorist campaign and refused to recognize Israel's right to exist.
When it comes to negotiating with terrorists, there is a clear disconnect between what governments profess and what they actually do.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2007-01-01/negotiating-terrorists

You are naive and ill-informed which is why this seems so strange to you. This happens all the time.

Ikem11:
Mind when you reading imagination and assumptions articles. That article lacks merit my brother. First, if possible there was chibok girls, no Country negotiate to release non diplomate civilians.. Paying that huge amount of money to release those girls is funding cashless terrorists to equip to kidnap more. What bad is bad. Never should we negotiate with terrorists!

Why does the article lack merit?

Every nation attempts dialogue with terrorists. Especially when they take hostages. It's usually the safest means of return.

You, like most, are very naive when it comes to this matter and this is what happens when people repeat dogmatic slogans such as "we don't negotiate with hostage takes/terrorists". Only a child would believe such.