₦airaland Forum

naijalander:
I still think Kigali is overrated, you haven't said anything Kenya or Nigeria is not doing. It's all over hyping abeg

Overrated? Who's ratings? Yours? Definitely not mine. They don't have armed robbers there, what does that tell you? I personally met Rwandans who speak Swahili well, so that even if they couldn't speak English, and me French, we communcated well.

What did you learn while there? Did you visit the genocide museum? Did you do umuganda?

Muafrika2:
I went to school with two Rwandese (Hutu) students who managed to escape the genocide. We'd be so excited to inform them that a new Rwandese had been admitted to the same school, not knowing they were not the same ethnically.

You could feel the distaste in their speech as they spoke about the Tustsi It's not class. It's ethnic - without the difference of a language. There is a lot of denial going on right now about that reality, hopefully not for long.

I went to school with a Rwandan tutsi who lost everyone in his immediate family and 2 Burundian hutus. The beef was real, I befriended them all, but i opted to be askance on the advice of my siblings and family. This was in the mid 90s.They were civil enough to keep it under control, but even after graduating, they were still exchanging cold looks. Africa

@Muafrika2 ,the tall/short thing is a general guide but isn't entirely accurate. These classes are more social than ethnic. Tutsi were horner migrants who lost their language and customs and adopted the Hutu's waaay back in the 5th century.
Also, there are many many many mixed people. Belonging is based on patrilineal lineage and occupation (non tutsi were not allowed to own cattle ). But nowadays many hutus do own cattle.

naijalander:
1. Monthly environmental sanitation in almost every state on the first Saturday during which movement is not allowed before 10 am (recently canceled in Lagos) and market sanitation every week on Thursday's

2. BRTs still alive and well. Again the population cannot be compared henceforth an hopeless point, I've seen bad roads in Kigali too so get over yourselves.

3. I think after a genocide and a country full of psychopaths, low crime rate is expected after all the president is a despot disguised as a democrat. So you are telling me every Tom, Dick and Harry agree with everything Kagame says. Grow up.

I'll give you the airline part but the new that's all they have outside of tourism and coffee. So not a relevantly point.

End of story

You are the quintessential arrogant Nigerian. Incurable. Rwanda 2017 and post 1994 is a triumph of the human spirit. Good clean air. Nice people. And I must admit the strange horns of the traditional cows, long as elephant tusks(unimportant detail). The so called psychopaths you refer to have been pardoned by the community. The govt set up community courts( called Gacaca in Rwandan language) to pardon them. They can't be so dumb now can they to allow such a thing, especially considering the extent of crimes committed. Meanwhile i pray for the folks in southern Kaduna who are being slaughtered for no reason other than their ethnicity and faith. Eerily like Rwanda in 1994. All the signs are there for a bloody repeat.

True, not all of them Rwandan folks agree with Kagame, but i believe that he has engineered a miracle. Who or what is the alternative?
I forgot to add, Rwanda is an upcoming IT and information tech hub. Little "small " Rwanda.

What does a large population count for if you can't leverage it for good or glory?

Did you visit the genocide museum in Kigali? Did you do umuganda ? What did you teach yourself when you went there?

naijalander:
I've been to Kigali a couple of times and I stil don't get the hype. Totally overrated. Don't see what they have that Nigeria doesn't have.

1. Public participation in cleanliness or communal work by all healthy and able bodied citizens in the 15 - 65 age group. Foreigners welcome but not obligated to participate. Most do as i have. Its called Umuganda in rwandan language and is a major element of nation building and unity. Puts me as a Kenyan to shame.
2. Orderly and neat public transportation. Buses are pretty decent and affordable. No crazy price hikes. Puts me as a Kenyan to shame.
3. Low crime rates everywhere whether in Kigali or rural areas. One can leave or forget their laptop or valuables on hotel room or any public place and nada will happen to it. Even white collar crime / corruption are so low you will have to kick yourself or even body slam oneself that you're in Africa. Puts me as a Kenyan to shame.
4. Courteous behaviour from locals. The maxim do unto others applies very well here. If you're rude or disrespectful, you're given a dose of Rwandan hospitality as an antidote. If you persist in your obnoxious behaviour, well Murphy's law applies. Rwandan or foreigner, no difference. Puts me as a Kenyan to shame.
5. Deliberate political will in solving the country's problems big and small. Every week kagame has a public sit down with locals to solve local problems as well as field questions from citizens. Its broadcast by TV/Radio and newspapers. Real participation that demystifies and humanises the office of the President as well as make the people feel part of the nation. Puts me as a Kenyan to shame.
6. A functioning national airline. Run with the Industry's and managements best practices. Unlike our national airline that is full of corporate vultures. Puts me as a Kenyan to shame.


Hell yes, there's alot of hype about Rwanda. Say what you want to about Kagame and his methods, but it takes a man whose as tough as nails to bring back a nation from utter destruction to what we have today. Show some respect.

koolet:
Majority of kenyans are prisoners

what a dumb thing to say.
Just so you may know, our constitution bars inmates from voting in local, parliamentary,senatorial, gubernatorial and presidential elections. The current regime are registering many ineligible persons to vote as a prelude to massive vote rigging

Drversatile:
The couples have saved money

Right on! It's better to put the wedding expenses into the marriage. Wedding is an event, marriage is till death do them part.

All i see are two very confused young women, probably sponsored by some western "human rights " NGOs, who have been chosen to showcase an alternative "lifestyle " to Africans, with the intention to open new markets for a thriving new western product (homosexuality ) in a virgin market.
They don't represent the norm in Kenya, neither are they the norm. Certainly not the representation of kenyan women either.

GERALD710:
I usually wonder where this notion that Kenyans are Dark comes from?
Or you assume that we all look like the Kalenjin athletes you see on TV??
Last I checked, only 27% of Kenyans are Nilotes and hence 'dark'(And not all of them, because Maasais ,Samburus are not all dark.
The other 75% are largely not.
Or are you going to make funny claims that the 'Ugly Dark Kenyans' include Boranas,Gabbras,Somalis,Rendilles, Swahilis(Like myself and we are legion at the Coast),Coastal Arabs,Asians, a majority of Kikuyus,especially from Nyeri,Taitas and Kenya Europeans like our 'White Africans' in Central Kenya are Dark.
SMH.
East Africa is diverse, both ethnically and racially, especially Kenyans.
South Sudanese are the ones who can be described as Dark,even by other East Africans.
Not Kenyans

Away from earshot, you will hear some shocking things Nigerians say about kenyans. Nasty stuff, not for the faint hearted. Some of it about the perceived skin color of kenyans, others about the physique, others about the food, others just mostly plain trash. I learnt this during my undergrad years and have witnessed it again many years later from completely new naija people. Bottom line : these guys come from a place where their image of Kenya / kenyans has been shaped by visuals that are mostly around marathoners /distance runners and Safari tourism. It's a narrow view no doubt, but its the one most of them possess. It's what they project onto you both in real life and online.

Am personally a mid chocolate colored 6' 5" person with an above average build. I also believe beauty is more than skin tone and is a very difficult thing to define. But tell that to a typical reactionary nigerian nairalander esp the type who go.... "Kenya of all places".... ,or words to that effect.

An honest hard working law abiding man or woman earning his/her clean sweat anywhere should be supported. I believe that's the case here, unless we haven't got the full on the ground story. If this is the case, as i desperately believe it to be, then there's something amiss in south African society viz. envy of those who succeed by hard work. Terrible.

deloon:
Dude on the streets of Dubai and Abu dhabi, your girls are a big source of embarrassments to all Black Africans. They are the only category of hoes that walk around without shame and drag men by the hands and sometimes the D as they walk past.
Your citizens are guilty of the same crimes you are blaming Nigerians for.

You better back that wild claim up mister. Empty statement full of hot air. And malice.
Sorry but you'll NEVER see kenyans crossing the Sahara desert and climbing aboard a flimsy and overcrowded dinghy to run away to Europe where they can get a UNHCR stipend.
Facts. They are stubborn ooo:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/20/migrant-slave-trade-libya-europe?CMP=fb_cif

9t9jacobs:
Pls who are those patronising these drug dealers and whose girls were involved in prostitution? These are the kind of questions we ahould be asking them. When in Rome you behave like a Roman! South Africans have a long history of arm robbery, bad policing and prostitution, Kenya on the other hand is well known for all kind abominable act you can think of. Nigerians are more intelligent than them, they have taken over their trades and that is why they are ranting.

Back home Nigerians are wonderful people, the only problem Nigeria have is the government, law custodians and our security agents...sooo corrupt!!!

And what "abominable acts"are these you speak of? Please enlighten me, if kenyans are so full of abominable actions, why is our country a leading tourist destination in Africa? Oga, bite a bullet, we don't have a terrible reputation around the world, you guys do. If coming over here to fill your criminal niche makes you "smarter" ,then yes thanks, let me wallow in my ignorance and darkness.

Apple1992:
Truth be told. the rate of drugs trafficking increases last two years. Why? The government we put all our hope on has failed us. As long as we breath , we got to strive and survival, that's the reasons a lot of Nigerians engage on drugs trafficking, scam, prostitution etc. Am not saying this is good, in fact I kick against it, but if the present administration keep at least 5% of their campaign promises, especially creating job opportunities. I believe this shame wont have come closer to us. Even black ugly monsters kenya want carry us shine. it hurts a lot.

Well well well, we "black ugly monsters " won't sit back and take your white or brown powder. And neither will we permit your cyber criminals and other assorted baddies. Proud to be a ugly black monster. Next!

Oh my gosh! God help us all.

Hbuyosh:
Well @MtuMsuper,I recall the incident at Entebbe airport, Uganda involving a certain Nigerian celebrity and his entourage who thot themselves too big to be subjected to the same routines as the other lowly passengers.....that cld hav been the case here.

Yes, i recall that one. So on top of the unfortunate drugs / internet fraud tag we can add the unbridled arrogance tag on Nigerians. And we need to redefine celebrity. Did the Ugandans consider him one?

Hbuyosh:
It's not usual that Nigerians or pipo from anywhere in the world get this kind of treatment at our airports. There must have been grounds for the immigration officials to suspect them, sumthing which that gentleman isnt divulging, but acting the victim.

What alot of folks don't even know is that before the advent of internet, Nigerians were still the most distrusted African nationality across the world, talk less kenya. The drug pushing 1sht was predominant, but now internet fraud and prostitution (think Italy ) are now appearing on the list. And with the rise of religious (read Islamic ) terrorism with groups like BH, Nigerians have a mountain to climb as far as image and reputation is concerned.

A body of experience has been built up over the years. These criminals make life hell for their fellow Nigerians abroad as well as locals.

Dear Nigerians, this is not the problem of the kenyan authorities. Don't send us your bad elements, we shall snuff em out, tag them and bag them. Y'all been watching way too much NatGeo y'all think this is a jungle. Epic fail.

Gmajor:
lol
most african countries rarely produce good music as compared to Nigerian. When u watch ugandan n kenyan music video u'll be like wtf. The look like one of those eddy remedy tracks from way back.
What do we need their trash for when we have artists that are 10x more talented than them

Don't be too full of yourselves. Who told you nigerian vibe is the only vibe. Do you even know the name of 1 artiste from say, Senegal? Nigerian music is for the Nigerian ear. I went to Addis ababa, Ethiopia and all they had blaring from radios, to street cafes to nightclubs were sweet Ethiopian sounds.
Listen to the clip below and get more links to other Ethiopian artists and then see that musical expression in Africa is very very diverse :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGo19P9Eyr4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlpaRFnEnkM

Litmus:
Jesus, why are people from so many African nations so delusional and sneaky? I thought only Ghanaians were sneaky and dishonest to themselves, but i'm finding the same traits in Cameroonians and now south Africans. Thank god for Kenyans, at least those people come on Niraland and fight their corner without resorting to, 'i am Nigerian and we Nigerians are criminals" and so on nor try to set Nigerians at one another in order to deflect deserved attack. The only thing with Kenyans though, so far, is that they are delusional like the rest of the shameful African lot. They never admit to being wrong when they are wrong and never admit to having the lesser of anything when that thing is obviously lesser. South Africans are here, playing the "I AM NIGERIAN, WE ARE CORRUPT" game instead of facing the fact that they have a problem that they need to sort out. A few years back, they slaughtered people from Angola, Mozambique, Somalians and other Nationals, they set people alight in a barbaric show that shocked the world. Instead of examining themselves they claimed that the foreigners deserved to die because they were criminals. Last year or the year before last, the South African blacks did the same thing again and we all saw images of that poor Angolan dying on the streets befor our eyes, stabbed. Was the Angolan a drug pusher? are the Somalian shopkeepers being attacked drugs pushers? darned hypocrites, stand up on your feet like men instead of crawling on all fours in the shadows of Niaraland like sniveling beasts and admit you have a problem. Stop blaming others for your problems! Friggin cowards



I am not an African, Africans are hateful and shameful, i am proudly Nigerian.

Don't drag we kenyans into your so called "delusional " brouhaha. We don't go to South Africa to do crazy things like running organized crime rings and sh1t, most of us go there to do legitimate sh1t and then vamoose. I can confidently say that in as much as we have criminal elements in our society, they are not the dominant faction amongst kenyans abroad. Most of us are just book people wanting to get PhDs and then go on to do good in their host societies. Nigerians druggies and scammers fill prisons everywhere from Azerbaijan to Paraguay to Kazakhstan to some other little Rock i bet you haven't heard of.. show me the kenyans.

Ps: leave our happy go lucky Cameroonians outta this, they just love partying and playing makossa music, and that's not a crime. They're just happy people

Doesn't matter what the lady/ man said. What's evident is that Nigerians love belittling other africans, regardless.

iluvpomo:
Forget the samosa. We already have delicious meat pie. How about Nigerian chapati??

Do Nigerians eat chapati!?!? *still in shock*
Along with other dishes/spices such as chapati, dengu(green grams), curry, samosas, masala, bindhari, pulses, the gift of the Indian subcontinent to Africa is here to stay and has changed the culinary preferences of many for good.. Amen

Huddler:
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You mean your kenyan brothers weren't among the victims cos their names were never mentioned?

apple and oranges comparison. neither here nor there.

Courts work in Kenya.... well sometimes. This is a travesty of Justice. They better hire an art consultant posing as a religious fundamentalist to explain what's wrong with that sketch

PissedYagami:
Here some nice links about Kenya
https://twitter.com/ShieldKenya
https://twitter.com/kenyapics
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2635

Kenya has nice things too

This is nairaland bro, they're desperate to sell an image of Kenya / kenyans viz a crazy place inhabited by even crazier beings. And peddling fake news and innocuous things fit into this narrative. Whatever you do, paint the country as "weird"(the nairaland definition ). And don't forget the stupid zuma photo while you're at it, and you're good to go.

JacksonD7:
I am a Nigerian not a criminal, there are millions of Nigerians out there who are respectable honest citizens. If you can say that Nigerians are criminally inclined because you saw a couple crime rings runs by Nigerians in Jo'burg, then we can also conclude that all Italians are criminally inclined because the Italian Mafia exists.

That is true. Most honest Nigerians abroad avoid the criminal minded ones. How sad that you have to be a foreigner and avoid one's own countrymen. Doesn't that also speak volumes about how you view one another and how most of the world views you(a reputation that precedes you). Wouldn't it be better to acknowledge and address the factors that cause criminality at home?

JacksonD7:
You can't use the criminal acts of a handful of people to judge an entire nation,there's no sense in that. By the way your people seem to have forgotten the role Nigeria played in the apartheid struggle, if this is how you choose to repay us well so be it.

I never judged an entire nation. I simply pointed out that in my sojourn in Joburg, i witnessed the incontestable fact that alot of organized criminal networks (drugs, prostitution, online fraud etc) are controlled by Nigerians. The grapevine is quite a powerful opinion shaper, seeing it and confirming it is another. You wouldn't find other( African or not ) nationalities with such a highly disproportionate inclination towards criminal tendencies as your countrymen.
Please, the story about your country's contribution to fighting apartheid is dwarfed by what Tanzania and Cuba did. Repeating this tired line over and over again never makes it true.

PS:> I not a South African, am a Kenyan.

Poor lady, may she live to blow a million more candles until the Good Lord recalls her back home, as HE must for all of us.
Something piqued my curiosity : why does a grown man go around trolling people's facebook accounts and present us with someone's personal life as "news". Did you consult her or her family for permission? And to the original poster @informant001, since you're the one am addressing, what have you done towards paying her bills or offering emotional support??

Let us also question if they're GMO.

Igboid:
Rwanda is Landlocked, not oil producing and with small population.

Nigeria is a disgrace.

No nonsense attitude to corruption, that's Rwanda. Small population is very subjective phrase. Russia is many times the size of 9ja, with a smaller population, are they now a "small " country? Rwanda is a very densely populated country, trying to leverage modern best management practices and traditional rwandese culture in the running of institutions. You should try visit Rwanda one day and see how they deal with solid waste for instance. Puts alot of countries to shame.

seangy4konji:
it don be...

we are in a third world country...

i counted over 40 planes with emblem KENYA AIRWAYS at the runway in JKIA...Ordinary Kenya...Not the ones in transit oooo

We cant even manage ordinary palm kernel farms here...

We should be ashamed of ourselves.

"Ordinary " Kenya?
Maybe i don't understand the adjective ordinary anymore, or i don't relate to where you're coming from.

ceejay4real:
Is the fish tasty? That's the most important thing. And how feasible is it for us to farm it in our lakes here like the Kainji and Oguta lakes for instance. I'm just curious and also anxious to improve the diet of millions of Nigerians! Pls the fish farming experts in the house, provide us with answers.

Thank you!

I would start by saying that alot of people like myself (and i looove fish to no end) dislike the smell of it. I don't find it tasty.
This fish was introduced by a well meaning, but ultimately thoughtless, British colonial fisheries officer into lake Victoria in East Africa in 1959. It went on to cause the extinction or near extinction of several endemic cichlid species and the severe depletion of the Lake's sweetest occupant - the Nile Tilapia. Its considered one of the world's greatest invasive species up there along with the water hyacinth (also introduced by a careless oyinbo into lake Victoria and is now ravaging the lake..... chaiii oyinbo has made us suffer ) .

So NOOO please don't introduce it to any water body in Nigeria, you will regret.

JacksonD7:
First of all nobody uses nine year olds as prostitutes in my region, second I apologise we should give South Africans a round of applause for being xenophobic because that will solve the problem.

Maybe not in your region, but they certainly do in South Africa. I have seen in Hillbrow Jozi with my own very eyes prostitution rings with 10-11 yr olds, run by Nigerians. How about that?!

geekybabe:
My question is why they keep allowing kenyans or foreigners to participate. In other countries they would never allow foreigners to do things like this. Does he keep flying in for the competition? Or does he have a valid permit to live here? I sincerely doubt it.

The man registered from Kenya, flew in and won. Finished. Easy $ 50,000. Then he went back home like pronto. Kenyans winning every marathon from Tokyo to New York. E pain you? Deal with it!!