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GEW:
bin mushin where is the right place? wjy not just answer the kwersion and lets see what u are hiding.

It is not mushin, it's Muhsin. Take note.

Thanks Olabowale for answering the newbie.

Oh. . .sorry. I am going. I wish I was staying to reply to you, Nezan. But nest time, inshaAllah.

Thanks for the response.

davidylan:
The biblical prophets are clearly defined . . . they have nothing to do with islam.

Islam is a God's religion. And these prophets are ALL sent by Him. Are they not?

davidylan:
This is rubbish:

1. The quran says the bible is corrupt, so on what basis are you using that same bible to make an islamic point?

2. Exactly what "message" did the prophets bring? The biblical prophets ALL came SPECIFICALLY to the jews. It wasnt until Christ's death and resurrection that salvation became open to the gentiles. So whatever message the prophets brought was certainly NOT similar to that of mohammad who wasnt even a jew in the first place.

Why is it rubbish?

1-Yes, the bible is really interpolated. Its full with contradictions, confusions, absurdities and the likes. This very fact is even being said by many Christians scholars. And more so, in many Preface of your bibleS I came across some compilers saying the so-and-so versions wasn't well compiled.

2-The message is to worship one true God=Allah.
And let me educate you; Muhammad, on whom be peace, was not sent to a certain tribe but to ALL humans.
It's Jesus, on whom be peace, who was sent to Jews.

davidylan:
this is more unintelligent and dishonest rubbish. Moses gave 10 commandments to the jews, Samuel didnt come speaking "the Lord your God is one" neither did Noah (who wasnt even a prophet except in mohammad's fraudulent world), Ezekiel or Jeremiah . . . so did all these not come with a "message"?

To quote Noah from the quran is just laughably stupid . . . Noah died more than 5000 yrs before that quran was written . . . so from whom did that alleged quote come from?

This is very much laughable.

For example the of the blood that occured in the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace, was narrated in both Qur'an and the bible. The bible says its a worldwide flood (Genesis chapter 7) while the Qur'an narrates it as a local flood affecting the people of Noah (Qur'an 7:59-64). Today it is acknowledged that no record exist of a worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the bible. How did the auther of the Qur'an avoid this mistake unless the author was God Himself?

Reference: Warner Keller's The Bible as History, 2nd Revised Edition, Bantam Book, 1980, p. 27.

davidylan:
what we can "see evidently" is that the "god" of mohammad could not have been the same as that of Noah, Samuel, Jeremiah or Isaiah. None of them were political leaders or warriors or husbands of 6yr olds with concubines. Infact many of them paid dearly for their faith with their lives . . . they were mocked, beaten, jailed and killed for daring to oppose the rulers of their day with the Word of the Lord.

Meek men like Moses, faithful servants like Micah, mighty men of faith like Elijah . . . could not have been from the same God as the blood thirsty bandit called mohammad.

none of them suffered schizophrenic fits when God or angels spoke to them one-on-one, Daniel had fantastic encounters with the Lord who appeared with the three hebrew boys in the burning fiery furnace.

The biblical prophets had miracles and tons of evidence to prove supernatural providence from God . . . what does mohammad have beyond his unreliable words?

I hope even above answer answered this rantings.

And note: believing they were from one God forbids us to call them with names as you are doing. May Allah guide us all.

davidylan:
More rubbish . . . Christ came for one purpose . . . to bring REDEMPTION through His precious and sinless blood. To equate Him with mohammad is serious blasphemy.

Any biblical verse to prove that?

I know he says that he's not sent to destroy the law of the prophets. And that Law/Commandment/Message I aptly explained it above. Therefore he came as a prophet to continue with God/Allah's message, which is to worship Him alone.

But you can tell me. . .

davidylan:
this is a huge lie that has been perpetuated for too long. Even ordinary wikipedia sets the record straight - allah = al + ilah - THE god!

It is interesting to note that the ARABIC WORD FOR GOD is ILAH! Very similar to the hebrew and aramaic versions called Elah!

When will you devils stop lying?

Mohammad's father was abdallah - slave of allah . . . which allah was that?

This calculation like stuff does not help any matter out here at all.

Its sooo apparent you maybe have never seen an Arabic bible, if not you won't so plainly lie like this--meaning backing up your baseless assertion. But the Arabic Word for God is Allah! I even see one today, wallahi.

davidylan:
Still using the "corrupt" bible to prove allah? when Isaiah was penning those great words allah (if he existed at all) was naught but a mere one of 360 idols in the kaaba shrine.

What do you mean to say?

The idols there were in the Kaabah were worship during pre-Islamic period. Allah and His messenger made it so clearly that worshiping these was haraam--forbidden and whoever does that would have his testimony repeated to bounce back to Islam. (Bukhari, see Fath al-Bari 11/536).

Thus Allah is not amongst these idols. Allah is the One who sent Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, other prophets, may Allah be pleased with them.

davidylan:
the above is again another example of the stupidity of the average muslim.

1. Trinity is an english word - the bible was never written in english. How can you find "trinity" in a bible written mostly in greek and aramaic?

2. The concept of trinity is clearly established in the bible.

3. If indeed we shld disregard the words of John since "he never met Jesus" . . . how reliable then is the quran or the words of mohammad who lived thousands of yrs after EITHER Christ or the disciples he usurped lived and died?

I agree that bible was not originally written in English. Don't you refute yourself somewhere?

1-Why do you believe the saying of Jesus that he is of Son of God literally mean a begotten son? Don't you the word "SON" does not at all mean a begotten son in that language they used then? But has a metaphorical, allegorical and parabolical meaning=anointed?

2-where? Clearly

3-Go and read history more, fella.

davidylan:
Why is the trinity a particular problem for the muslim? Has he finished reading the doctrines in the quran?

Trinity is simply one out of hundreds, dude. Your book. . .na wa woo!

May Allah guide us once again, ameen.

Muhsin

GEW:
extremists like you and your henshmen.

How do I become an extremist? LOL

nuzo:
Would that be your view too?

Yap. It has nothing to do with African development. If it has can you a bit more elaborate? Thanks

victorywise:
I THINK PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING A CLEAR LOOK AT THE WORD CHRISTIANITY. CHRISTIAN MEANS CHRIST LIKE. BUT NOW, WE DO'T HAVE CHRIST LIKE'S, WE ONLY HAVE CHURCH GOERS.

Uhum?

Assalamu alaikum,

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The world is a prison-house for a believer and Paradise for a non-believer.

Source: Sahi Muslim Book 042, Number 7058

nuzo:
Are you serious?

I think he is.

noetic2:
are u educated at all?

If you're asked this question; is Muhsin ever educated? What would be your answer please. Be frank. Thanks

noetic2:
is killing non-muslims a good deed?

Is this mentioned in the hadeeth?

Welcome aboard, ayantan,

I see you are a fresh newbie here. There is a general rule up, which says respect others belief, i.e. practices inclusive. So heed to this.

Secondly, here is not a right place to ask such a question. There, right above this page, a section provided for Muslims. There you can get your comments commented on, your critique responded to and your questions answered by Muslims.

Thanks

O! NLders Won't you Mr. President alone?

LOL You guys help is making my time worthwhile.

By the way, respect the OP. It's about "Complains", right?

Thanks

mactao:
Jesus was greater than all those prophets. Jesus said that people who believed in Him would do greater things than He did. Draw your conclusion by yourself.

Is it a contradiction or what, mactao? Read what Jesus says somewhere:

"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist" (Mathew, 11:11)

Need an explanation.

MrCrackles:
I dont understand. . . . .Some people take things to the extreme
Regardless of religion, extremists make it difficult for tolerance to work amongst religious and non-religious people!

Well said; extremism is what lead to all these probs.

Assalamu alaikum, Abuzola,

Am afraid but I don't quite understand where you are driving to.

Don't let my understanding of your words be true.

It won't help any matter out, am afraid.

banom:
Davidylan, i have always liked you,but i must confes,i am now in love with you, unfutunately, i am a guy, but i dont know if you will be intresred ,i have a very beautiful younger sister there in America, if it will intrest you, i will offer her for marriage to you, Your list is quite impressing,

LOL

I quit politics.

@Nezan,

Thanks a lot for your long reply. I wish it had made meaning. . .I would have got that meaning.

Without saying much, I would really like to have your answer on a very simple question, i.e. God clearly made it known to us that he's not an author of confusion. And I add neither contradictions nor absurdities. If your assertion is to be believed then it means, evidently and obviously, that God creates palpable confusion in your bible.

To shame more light; my meaning there is; how can we reconcile your words--God is plural, God is three, etc with many other verses where God/Jesus says the God is One; I am alone and there is no any other beside me; worship me alone; the father is greater than I; to mention but a few.

Waiting. . .

Thanks.

Gosh!

@Jarus,

Very good. I may have my full comment when I get back tomorrow.

Assalamu alaikum,

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Prophet (PBUH) used to say, "O Allah! I seek refuge with You from incapacity and laziness, from cowardice and geriatric old age, and seek refuge with You from the punishment of the grave, and I seek refuge with You from the afflictions of life and death."

Source: Sahi Bukhari Volume 8, Book 75, Number 378

Hi there!

I wish I had enough time at my disposal to fully buttress your words, David. But inshaAllah tomorrow when I get back, for now am too crisscrossed with works to do.

And to call it to your notice; I since that day said that I was going for a short break. Ask your co--noetic2, am sure he read where I wrote these words. By the way, your accusation that I ran away after asking you question had me earnestly ginning. Who are you or any other Christian brethren. . .I wonder. Whoever has facts, innumerable, will not run away. Note.

Regarding whose input is intelligent, constructed and the likes: I am sure every fair-minded reader could simply sum it up that you are very much unintelligent in your poor attempt to refute and debunk my words. You quote no single verse neither from the Holy Qur'an nor from your bible. Do you? And we are talking of God. . .what evidence source do we have more than these? Funny.

As I already made it clear, inshaAllah tomorrow. . . until then.

noetic2:
why do u have a problem listing them?

just state that oh mohammed gave to the poor, helped the weak . . . . , , . . . . .

just list them for analysis sake and to educate non-muslims.

Let me repeat what I told you the other time:

Thats the reason d'etre of this OP. Go back and read the ones available so far. Others are coming, inshaAllah.

Why did I say that?

Hadeeth simply means his deeds and much more. And there are thousands of them. But God's willing as time goes I (or any other Muslim member) will continue listing them, i.e. writing the hadeeth.

May Allah guide us all.

NB:
This is my last post for the day. Don't think otherwise if you see me gone. InshaAllah next time--probably Monday. Until then. . . Ciao!

My thread, "I"'s and Abuzola's threads disappeared a day before yesterday on Religion Section.

What is this? Please answer me ASAP.

noetic2:
I just did. It does not state the exact deeds of mohammed, it only gives a list of commandments. what are the deeds of mohammed?

You didn't. Why is it hard for you to tell truth? No offense intended.

Reason: had it been you did you would not have said what you say, for even the hadeeth above your post talks about the Prophet's deed.

Thanks

noetic2:
he is an atheist and not a christian.

I didn't know. But you believe you are the majority, right?

Question and Answer Details

Name of Questioner Dino - United States

Title The Age of Aishah

Date 19/Feb/2004

Question: Dear Scholars, As-Salamu `alaykum.

I was wondering what was the true age of `A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). Do we know what her true age was? I have read in places that the hadiths that say what her age was at marriage are weak hadiths. Is this true?

Thank you for any response.

Topic Prophetic Ethics, Marriage, Human Rights

Name of Counselor Hwaa Irfan

Answer

Salam, Dino.

Thank you for your question.

The issue of `A'ishah bint Abi Bakr has arisen purely around the fact that she married Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) when she was young and as you said, “Do we know what her true age was?” The problem is that we are dependent on reports of information. Even with accurate reporting, it is difficult to sustain that level of accuracy 100% of the time, all the time.

The true records that are referred to by Muslims for guidance are the Qur’an and the Hadiths (traditions) of Prophet Muhammad, the essence of both of which is the religion of Islam. They are not sociology textbooks although Islam covers all aspects of life. One of the foremost records depended upon is the collection of hadiths of Prophet Muhammad in the Sahih of Al-Bukhari. From the translation of Dr. Amin Al-Masri of Cambridge University, England and Head of Shari`ah at the College of Shari`ah and Islamic Studies in Makkah, we are informed:

`A'ishah reported that the Prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: “I have been informed that `A'ishah remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e., till his death).” (Al-Bukhari 7: 65)

The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with `A'ishah while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Al-Bukhari 7: 88)
Islamic scholar Maulana Muhammad Ali was one of the first to challenge `A’ishah’s age. In his books Muhammad, the Prophet and Living Thoughts of the Prophet Muhammad, he states:
A great misconception prevails as to the age at which `A'ishah was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa`d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr (father of `A’ishah) was approached on behalf of the Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that `A'ishah must have been approaching maturity at the time.

Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatimah, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than `A’ishah. This shows that `A'ishah must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be.

This is further borne out by the fact that `A'ishah herself is reported to have stated that when the fifty-fourth chapter [i.e., surah] of the Qur’an entitled “The Moon” [Al-Qamar] was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that `A'ishah could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal.

And there is one report in the Tabaqat that `A'ishah was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of `A'ishah took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal. This is while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijrah in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence, there is not the least doubt that `A’isha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.
If we dig deeper, we find that the great Islamic historian Ibn Jarir At-Tabari in his History iterated:
In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of `Abdul `Uzza, from whom `Abdullah and `Asmaa’ were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom `Abdur-Rahman and `A'ishah were born. These four were born before Islam.

Looking at `A'ishah's impressions of her early life, we can indeed see that she was born before the Call:
Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshiping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah’s Messenger visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant. When he reached a place called Bark Al-Ghimad, he met Ibn Ad-Daghna, the chief of the Qara tribe, who asked Abu Bakr, “Where are you going?” Abu Bakr said, “My people have turned me out of the country and I would like to tour the world and worship my Lord.” Ibn Ad-Daghna said, “A man like you will not go out, nor will he be turned out, as you help the poor earn their living, keep good relations with your kith and kin, help the disabled (or the dependents), provide guests with food and shelter, and help people during their troubles. I am your protector. So, go back and worship your Lord at your home.”

Ibn Ad-Daghna went along with Abu Bakr and took him to the chiefs of Quraysh saying to them, “A man like Abu Bakr will not go out, nor will he be turned out. Do you turn out a man who helps the poor earn their living, keeps good relations with kith and kin, helps the disabled, provides guests with food and shelter and helps the people during their troubles?” (Al-Bukhari 3: 37 #494)
570 CE: Prophet Muhammad born
595 CE: Married Khadijah, his first wife
610 CE: Received the revelation that led to his Call to Islam
613 CE: Started preaching publicly
615 CE: His daughter Fatimah born
622 CE: Left Makkah for Madinah
623 CE: `A'ishah entered the household of Prophet Muhammad
625 CE: Battle of Uhud

The famous classical commentator on the Qur’an, Ibn Kathir, wrote in Al-Bidayya wan-Nihaya: “Asmaa’ died in 73 AH at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister `A'ishah.”

It might be worth noting that pubescence is characterized by the proliferation of sex cells which begins with the menarche, or first menstruation, in girls. Research has noted that the average age at which the menarche begins has been decreasing among Western European girls and apparently among girls of the United States and Canada, as well, since as far back as 1976. What this means is that we should try to avoid generalizations about when menstruation begins; this differs from culture to culture as well as epoch to epoch. If you want to take this further: puberty comes from the Latin word pubertas, which means “adult”. The Qur’an states what means:

*{And when the children among you have attained to puberty, let them seek permission as those before them sought permission; thus does Allah make clear to you His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise}* (An-Nur 24: 59)

It all depends on what one wishes to recognize, the laws of nature or the social laws constructed by man. `A'ishah married willingly under circumstances that supported that marriage, whichever argument one chooses to follow.

Thank you again for your question and please keep in touch.

Salam.

www.readingislam.com

By Bassey Udo

July 11, 2009 01:42AMT

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Households in Nigeria suffer from power outage regularly. Photo: NEXT

Workers of the state-owned Power Holding Company of Nigeria warn of an indefinite strike planned to commence on Monday July 20, if their demands are not met.

If the plan succeeds, the nation's deplorable electricity supply situation may dip in the days ahead.

Work-to-rule action

To underscore their threats, the workers on Friday, embarked a one-day work-to-rule action in all the Power Holding Company of Nigeria locations starting from the Headquarters in Abuja, and in all outposts and offices including generation, transmission, and distribution companies across the country.

Work was suspended for several hours, as the workers went on a protest march, which lasted between 8am and 1.30pm.

All official transactions were suspended during the period, as all entrances to the company's offices were firmly blocked, where union leaders mounted siege with some members taking turns to offer prayers aimed at invoking God's intervention to touch the heart of the Federal Government to accede to their demands.

Although none of the union leaders was ready to volunteer details of their plans, one of the officials, who asked to remain anonymous, revealed that Friday's action was the first lap of a series of actions planned for the next one week that would culminate in the total withdrawal of their services by July 20 if government does not yield to their demands.

"This is a prelude to the main strike that will be total and comprehensive if government does not meet our demands," he says, adding: "The strike will involve the closure of all power plants and establishments connected to electricity generation and distribution in the country. Nobody knows how long the strike will last."

Workers demands

Part of the workers' demands include, increase in remuneration and welfare package by at least 150 per cent to reflect the reality of the current economic situation in the country.

They also demand that the Federal Government takes over the huge burden the Power Holding Company of Nigeria is being saddled with as a result of several fixed agreements entered on its behalf with the Independent Power Producers on the volume of electricity generated and injected into the national grid.

These fixed agreements are based on the Independent Power Producers' installed capacity, rather than total production capacity, which costs the company over ₦6 billion monthly. This, the workers argued is a drain on the electricity company's limited resources, which could have been used to improve workers' welfare.

Terms of agreement

Under the terms of the agreement, the Power Holding Company of Nigeria is required to pay ₦15 per kilowatt of electricity to the Independent Power Producers, while it is only allowed to charge consumers between ₦4 and ₦6 only per kilowatt, a decision the workers condemn as "wasteful", considering that most of the Independent Power Producers have not been generating electricity for some time.

"Power Holding Company of Nigeria pays the Independent Power Producers monthly based on installed capacity of their plants, rather than production capacity. The Power Holding Company of Nigeria is made to buy electricity from Independent Power Producers at a higher price, while it is allowed to sell at a lower price.

"This has resulted in a monthly pay out to Independent Power Producers of over ₦6 billion. The Federal Government should take over this responsibility to allow the Power Holding Company of Nigeria utilise the revenue realised from power generated to take care of workers welfare. Government is being ripped off through this agreement," our source says.

Previous meetings

Prior to the work-to-rule action, NEXT gathered that a meeting between the Ministry of Labour and the workers, which lasted to the wee hours of Friday morning, was a stalemate after government offers to raise salaries by only 50 per cent.

In attendance at the meeting were top officials of the ministries of Labour, Finance and Power, and representatives of the Salaries and Wages Commission, the workers unions and the Nigerian Labour Congress.

The work-to-rule action continues on Monday.

http://www.234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Money/Business/5435703-147/story.csp

P:S

We believe in Jesus.

We believe he was born of a virgin.
We believe he spoke from the first day of his life.
We believe Jesus raised the dead, gave sight to the blind, even took some clay, shaped it into a bird and breathed life into it and the bird flew away.

We believe that there are only TWO people on earth that Satan did not touch them in the womb, that was jesus and the mother of Jesus

So if anyone has a right to deify Jesus, it is the Muslims
If anyone has a right to worship, it is the Muslims

Because we not only believe in what the Christians believe about him, we believe in him more

Mind you, we are not worshipers of Jesus,

We believe he is the messiah, and that he must return.

So there is nothing about Christians and Christianity that has anything over our understanding of Jesus.

Unlike the Jews who reject Jesus, Muslims respect and believe in him.

However, this thread is not about Jesus, it is about God.

And we believe in God, and thats what the difference is

We do not say that God has a partner, not a son, an uncle, a daughter or an aunt.

And that is the purpose of this thread, to once again remind christians that deifying Jesus is unacceptable to God.

May God, the Most Exalted, guide us all, ameen.

Greetings,

I hope this thread is meant to make people laugh.
I start:

noetic2:
and I suppose u are happy?

And why should I?

Remember the site is owned by a Christian and again you are the majority here.