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Goshen360:
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Who amongst these three prominent Pastors in Nigeria is closer to the truth on tithing and who's in error on tithing?

In those 4 short clips, Pastor Sam Adeyemi is closer to the truth, then Bishop Okonkwo but Bishop Oyedepo & Pastor Adeboye are woefully far from the truth

ujnwachukwu:
By the way......Nice signature, it's what I believe and have experienced personally.

https://www.nairaland.com/1412636/non-christian-chatbox-sticky/188#75182755
Click on the above thread link and read the content, there are more littered over and across the forum
cc Jsmile

ibinaboonline:
How erroneous that you'd use this verse of scripture as a basis that a demon can enter a Spirit-filled christian.

Are you familiar with the names Ananias and Sapphira? I dont know about whether they were Spirit-filled christians or not but I bet you'll say there werent real believers to start with, huh?

ibinaboonline:
To avoid a long sermon let me just hit straight at the nail; satan did not share God's throne in that verse you quoted. A Christian's body is God's house and his heart His throne. God will not share His authority with satan, mind you, satan entering your body is for no other reason than to usurp authority. I don't know what you mean by visitation. I don't know satan for a casual visitor. he cannot enter a Christian who's heart is ruled by God's Spirit.

Who except for you has talked of sharing?
When I come to visit you at your house, am I sharing your house with you?
When I enter your house, does it automatically or immediately mean I am usurping authority?
Of course, if you give satan a foothold, satan will lay claim and or take advantage
Be rest assured that satan is always a casual visitor, who has licence to patrol the earth, going up and down and all over the place
Why are believers advised to put on the whole armour of God?
Why are believers advised to resist Satan or not to give Satan a foothold?

Jsmile:
Please I look forward to hearing from you when you do.

Trust me, you will, as soon after I've finished. I dont know when I'll start, but know I'll try get round to, as soon as possible

Anas09:
You quoted Malachi but said Oyedepo said it?

What you read in the double inverted commas quotation are exactly Bishop David Oyedepo's words verbatim and from the horse mouth

Anas09:
Sir. I am not a Pastor follower, I am a Bible studying believer, so you can't sway me when i'm convicted of a thing.

He never laid a curse on anyone, he simply quoted the Bible. There's notthing he said there that i can't find in the Bible.
Good, you give cheerfully and receive, i pay tithe and also give cheerfully and i get dangerously blessed too. The most important thing is we receive when we give.
As long as i live, i will pay my Tithe to my Eternal High Priest. Whether i give it to the orphans, or widows, or begers, so long as it is my 10% income, i give it to Jesus. But i'll more likely give that in the Church and give Cheerfully to others.

What is my own to sway you.
If a crooked stick is before anyone, you need not convict them how crooked it is. Just lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done. Explain the truth, and the error of the way will be put out

1/ You seem to obsessively have an attachment to 10%, so please can you give me an authentic and biblical reasons why you strongly are fixated to giving this particularly specified regular without failing 10%?
2/ Also what is the rationale for sticking to 10% and never doing another other percentages?
3/ Is your adherence following an Abrahamic style of tithing or it is a Levitical style of tithing?
4/ I took a leap of faith, I stopped giving tithe and hadnt had cause to look back in regret ever since I took that decision, can you or are you scared of something if you too do?

Ranchhoddas:
Hehehehe...
Muttleylaff
NPcomplete
LordReed
Make una come see ooo...

Agbaya ni man yi Mr Ranchhoddas sha
I've bookmarked this thread and link thread for later and proper reading

budaatum:
And I'll call it progress. A tiny step albeit, but considering the effort in getting it, a giant leap forward indeed!

Cynicism and sceptism are healthy, muttley. If a God can be written to have cursed one to death for eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and place a cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth on the east side of the Garden of Eden to guard the way to the tree of life, then send its own so called only begotten son to come die on a cross to give one that eternal life which is the fruit of the tree of life, you got to wonder if those writing and telling you about it know what they are talking about or have taken up the right to be the cherubim with flaming swords for their own advantage. Serpents can be that wily!

You do know who the only begotten son is, dont you budaatum?
You do know what the phrase "only begotten son" means, dont you budaatum?
Serpents having a willy, is that what you typed budaatum?
Well possibly, and cant rule that out. Oops what did I just type there, please do ignore. It wasnt me.
Yeah, serpents taking advantage(s), tell me about it and them

Anas09:
1. Tithe is not imposed on me because no one demands to know if i pay my tithe or not. And, many people don't pay tithe and it's not a criteria for membership in my Church. There's no register to note who pays and who doesn't.

I would know if there is, because i count offering in my Church.

2. I saw 100% in the Bible and i also saw that i give to Jesus my Eternal High Priest, not to a man.
And, no one threatens me with curses of calamities. I have never been coerced to give. The day I hear Bishop Oyedepo threaten people with Calamity to pay Tithe, i'll leave Living Faith.
If you have heard him, pls let me see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNN9SqqJ7OI

"Tithing is an inescapable covenant obligation. You can’t escape poverty if you don’t pay your tithes. Rather, you come under a curse because God says ye are robbing Him (Malachi 3:5). The tithe is God’s. So no matter how much you give in other areas, if your tithe is out of place, you will still come under a curse, because you are robbing God. It is the master key to enjoying financial fortune"
- Bishop David Oyedepo

I am not trying to cause a chasm between you and the beloved Bishop David Oyedepo but now that you have watched the above YouTube video and read the double inverted commas by him, what honestly, truthfully and sincerely retrospectively have you to say about them.

I have another video, that I believe the Holy Spirit made Bishop David Oyedepo make but he was oblivious of the message in it

Anas09:
3. And i monetize my tithe because i live in the city, i am not a farmer. And i get blessed abundantly for tithing, if it's obsolete why then am i being blessed?

Especially in my health. You don't want know what my health was like before i became a faithful tither.

I shall rebuke the devourer works for me like fire. Do you know how much medication was taking me before now?

Pls bros, you don't do it, it's okay. I see it's benefits i will keep doing it.

Life, both in Heaven and on earth is ruled on giving. If you give, you'd receive. So long as your motives are genuine, you'd receive.

Just like you, I too used to be responsible for totalling up tithe & offering giving but after seeing the light, I stopped religiously doing tithe giving and started cheerful giving many moons ago, that is to say a very long time ago, and I have never for a moment ever lacked anything, be it health, financial, wisdom, material or otherwise. Glory be to God, in leaps and bounds, it has been blessings, divine assistance, favour, breakthroughs and the miraculous all the way through to date.

LordReed:
Here's the difference between Jephthah and Hannah, Jephthah if we are to believe he sent his daughter to become a nun is sad while Hannah is happy, that should have been reversed. Hannah, mother of an only son should have been the one sad because she was losing a man child. A man child in those days was worth his weight in gold while a girl child, well we can see how the bible treats them. What is Jephthah's daughter's name? LoL. There is absolutely no way Jephthah is mourning the loss of his daughter to seminary when girl children are not even that well regarded.

Again another difference between Hannah and Jephthah that tells us their situations where not the same. Hannah's goes to Shiloh frequently to see her son while it is never mentioned that Jephthah saw her again or even thought much of her after because instead there is a ceremony by young women. No mention is made of Jephthah's involvement in this event in stark contrast to Hannah who takes a gift to her son every year.

Another thing, about people dedicated to the god, they were never meant to be celibate. Samuel was definitely not celibate. There is no sign any of the tabernacle workers were meant not be celibate. Not the high priest, not the priests, not the Levites. So where did you get the idea that she was going into a convent that required her to be celibate? Even Deborah the prophetess was not celibate. Anna the woman in the New Testament also was not celibate. Please where did this idea come from?

Muttley you tried but no amount of editorializing can make this story palatable. Jephthah most definitely roasted his daughter as he vowed

budaatum:
Untrained to see what's not there, perhaps, and trained to see what they want you to see maybe, but what please is the benefit in being trained to be blind or to make up things in one's head and claim it is seen? Is that not the complete opposite of what Jesus taught and died for?

You failed to consider the get out clause I gave you regarding Abraham at the beginning. I guess you failed to see it as such when I accused Abraham of mistaking his old gods for Yahweh. I know the Bible does not say so, but couldn't that have happened, with the voice of the real god saving the day but the writers themselves not knowing the difference? Knowing a serpent meddled in the Garden of Eden and meddled with Jesus on the mountain, would it be so difficult to assume it would meddle with Abraham and meddle with the Bible too? Oh, I forget, not only is God Almighty, but so too are the inspired writers of the Holy Bible despite most likely not knowing their noses from their asses, and the text of the Bible we currently read being edited and reedited over and over again to suit the sensibilities of the day. God forbid that a corrupt text come off the most holy editing and printing press in heaven!

One thing no one has brought up here is the reason the more original texts do not exist anymore. They were more explicit in narrating the blood thirstiness of Yahweh, which over time made it rather distasteful so they were suppressed and new ones written with Yahweh's bloodthirst written out. If they could get away with it, the walls of Jericho would be written out too and we would not read anywhere that Yahweh required the annihilation of entire tribes if not that doing so so late in the day when many know what's written already will discredit or force a rethink of the whole of Christianity.

Jesusjnr opened a thread about atheist not following Jesus, which I've been considering responding to muttley, but haven't yet. When I do, I'd be using the socratic definition of atheism which means to not worship the gods of Athens, and which means not being brainwashed into the prevailing point of view as held by the majority, but using ones own God given senses, as Jesus did, to sieve out the truth. The cost of doing so is huge as shown by the cross atheist (according to his crucifiers) Jesus ended up on, and it may piss you off finding out you've been brainwashed all this long, but you will at least be free in the end, muttley, and I tell you the truth that being unshackled from indoctrination and being free to use ones own mind is worth dying for, as our Lord Jesus Christ has taught, and as I insist on teaching you to do too because I think you are capable of seeing having had mud spat on and rubbed in your eye, muttley!

I'd ask you to just say "amen", but know you can't help writing epistles!

Both of you are such a skeptic and cynic, you both had me up in stitches, laughing out loud literally, I was reading your posts and doubling up with laughter so hard I almost knocked over my glass of room temperature rouge. I'll say "amen" to liking both posts

Anas09:
I hope you already know what i do with the orphans? So, it's not the case of me tithing but not being compassionate to those who need me. Nevertheless
i will do as you say.

But, again, to me, it makes no difference who collects it, ultimately, i am giving to Jesus, The Eternal High Priest. So, a beg can collect it, an orphan, a widow, or a pastor can collect it, but they are not the ones i see when i give, I see Jesus.

So, where am i going to let you know how much I'll be giving out? Here or outside of here?

Remember what the right hand gives shd not be known by the left hand.

And, when you say 'Giving Cheerfully', is my tithing not done Cheerfully?

I am glad you aware of what religiously, believers, truly are expected to do

Biblically speaking, "giving cheerfully" means, you, decide in your heart yourself, how much to give, and you never give reluctantly or in response to pressure. You don't feel sorry that you must give or feel sorry that you cant afford to give. You dont, out of necessity give, you dont under compulsion give. The reason for all those, being that God wants people to be free spirited and give in good and not troubled spirits. God has set every believer free, to be independent and not be limited by human traditions or constrained by convention.

Go check out Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9, read them all, to find out that God is doing a full circle with this, give as you determine in your heart without being under compulsion thing.

Now tell:
1/ Is the tithe you give an imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving?
2/ Is this 10% you religiously give, so decided in your heart and you are not coerced, being forced to give, aren't getting threatened with fear of curses, calamity or misfortune if not participating in this imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving?

budaatum:
This is the sort of lie you blind yourself with so you can't see. It also explains why you can't reason properly since you'd either write in such a way that you don't mean what you say, or twist other people's writing the way you've twisted scripture here.

I always give in to you, to have the right to know what I know and/or what I've gone to know, so now all I am going to do here is, say the truth and nothing else. What I'll be saying to counter your bungled post is going to be centred on a theological, contextual, and linguistic (i.e. semantic) framework, with one or two other bits added. OK?

budaatum:
Verse 39 goes:

After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

First, what was his vow again, and where did he vow to send her to do seminary work muttley?

"And she vowed a vow, and said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but wilt give unto thine handmaid a man child, then I will give him unto the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no rasor come upon his head."
- 1 Samuel 1:11

In fairness, to an untrained and/or unsuspecting eye, it is going to be hard to see where and how Jephthah vowed to send anyone to do seminary work, but it is there. What Jephthah did in vow #1, is a classic re-run of what Samuel's mother did with 1 Samuel 1:11 reproduced above. As I previously stated, what Jephthah said with vow #1, by saying: Whatsoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me shall surely be the LORD'S, means, will be given over to God, devoted to service), effectively ordaining that whatsoever comes will be God's, the entire lifetime, and the "seminary work" serves as a sign has been dedicated to God, similar way and manner Samuel earlier was. The only difference with Samuel, is the virginity aspect. Remember from the Judges 11:34-37 verses I earlier reproduced, that when Jephthah's daughter came out to meet him, father and daughter instantly knew the fate of the daughter is now a lifetime of celibacy, that she now never will marry, she'll be sexually abstinent and be dedicated to God as per her father's vow #1.

"And his mother used to make for him a little robe and take it to him each year when she went up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice."
- 1 Samuel 2:19

As seen in 1 Samuel 2:19 above, Hannah, Samuel's mother was visiting Samuel every year as he served the Lord, and so I would imagine Jephthah did similar or the same with his daughter too.

³⁷And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
³⁸And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
³⁹And it came to pass at the end of two months,
that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man.
And it was a custom in Israel,
⁴⁰That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.
- Judges 11:37-40

Notice, how the daughter begged her father Jephthah to permit her be alone for two months before the dedication, so she can go for two months with her friends in the mountains, to commiserate and sigh over the prospect of never going to have the pleasure of a banana and/or never going to have her honey pot dipped into. Up above there again, is the concrete and scriptural evidence in Judges 11:39, that though there was a bit of delay in paying vow #1, it eventually got paid when Jephthah's daughter after two months, gave herself up to her fate of a lifetime "seminary work" in God's presence or temple to a life of service but you budaatum, LordReed, frank317, Dantedasz, CreepyBlackpool, JujuSugar and others are bent on jumping to the wrong conclusion.

budaatum:
Here's verse 40,

From this comes the Israelite tradition that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.

Commemorate means, to recall and show respect for (someone or something).
"a wreath-laying ceremony to commemorate the war dead"

budaatum, this is the linguistic aspect or framework part, it is very important because you get the cues from the actual word originally used. You see budaatum, and I think LordReed was interested in this part too, the actual word used in the original text, which gets lost in translations, like for example, where translated as "lament" or "commemorate", is the hebrew word "tanah". This in hebrew, is defined as rehearse, as in, to recite aloud in a formal manner or to recount, as in, to tell someone about something or give an account of an event. So in effect, every four years, the young women of Israel go out for four days to recount or rehearse the story of the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite. I do understand, why the use of lament, as the young women, truly and really in those four days each year are giving a passionate expression of wailing and disappointment over what happened to the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.

Referring to Vow #1:
Whatsoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me shall surely be the LORD'S (i.e. will be given over to God devoted to service)

Referring to Vow #2:
Better still, or if it happens to be an IT (i.e. an animal AND NOT a human being) then I will offer IT, the animal up for a burnt offering
This will be and/or serve as a bonus.

³⁴When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter came out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy.
She was his one and only child; he had no other sons or daughters.
³⁵When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish.
“Oh, my daughter!” he cried out. “You have completely destroyed me! You’ve brought disaster on me!
For I have made a vow to the Lord, and I cannot take it back.”
³⁶And she said, “Father, if you have made a vow to the Lord,
you must do to me what you have vowed, for the Lord has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites.
³⁷But first let me do this one thing: Let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin
- Judges 11:34-37

LordReed, we can see from the above Judges 11:34-37 verses, that when Jephthah's daughter came out to meet him, father and daughter instantly knew the fate of the daughter is now a lifetime of celibacy and dedication to God (i.e. she now never will marry & she'll be sexually abstinent, as per vow #1) Hannah, Samuel's mum didnt lament because that is what she planned. Jephthah and his daughter lamented because this "perpetual" seclusion wasnt part of the plan. It was a plan gone, as it were, pear shaped wrong.

The deal breaker of the alleged vow about Jephthah the Gileadite planning to offer human burnt sacrfice is the theological aspect or framework that this reputed act, actually is an anathema to God, this theologically speaking, because God, from the word, go, and on principle, disagrees with human burnt offerings, child sacrifices and/or ritualistic killing of children. God is not into that cruel wicked business and Jephthah knows that, this is not an option nor an acceptable way to try to gain favor from God with. Let's be clear about it that the act is an abomination, that God finds offensive and disgusting for anyone on their own accord decide to do.

In addition to the contextual part addressed above, noticed that no where in the narrative, was the death of the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite mourned, but what she said was, "Let me go up and roam in the hills" OR "weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." (i.e. the virginity she will never get to lose). Of course, and again just like in vow #1, the trained eye, will see the "conjunctive waw" used in Judges 11:37

budaatum:
I don't think there's anywhere in the Bible where it says "Thou must not lie to yourself", muttley, but it is advice worth considering.

Incidentally budaatum, there, somewhere in the Bible is "thou shall not steal" and also there is "thou shal not falsely accuse" Which of the two are you complicit of?

budaatum:
Your blindness is like that of one who chooses to cover one's eyes and not put on a light so one can stumble in darkness. You need to learn to be kinder to yourself.

Blindness? That's my line budaatum, or did you not read where I said, the problem here is people are so blinkered by the trees, that they can't because of the trees, see the woods, that is why they are so fixated on the impression that Jephthah barbecued his daughter

budaatum, you know me this much, that I always have respected you, I do respect you and I enormously respect your opinions of me.
The same respects goes for other subjects close to your heart or topics dear to you, even if I disagree with you on any, I will defend to the death your right to speak whatever it's in your mind concerning them

Now the things about you budaatum, that I hugely admire and highly respect you for, are your legitimate, honest, humble, open, forthright, uninhibited, no-nonsense fair and square conduct when posting your comments. They always are your comments, they arent comments lifted elsewhere like other forums like quora.com and shamelessly in its entirety copied and pasted here, and to rub salt into theft-injury, not even giving credit to original male author(s) of the lifted comment. Maximum respect to you budaatum, you always will give credit to posts and/or literary works, if they arent yours, you dont fob them off, like just as if originally they are yours. Big kudos to you budaatum, and especially because considering the circumstances, you can be more forgiving than can be imagined.
cc CodeTemplar, bloodofthelamb

Anas09:
Bros, I'm done haggling over this issue. I pay my tithe religiously and i'm not going to stop.

Aunty, no one is saying do not tithe, but that when matters come to financial giving, this isnt fixed or set in stone as a regular 10% or tithe and nor is it to be in the form of an imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving. Also for your information, what you are expected to religiously do is showing empathy and/or being compassionate, as in show compassion, and not religiously tithe, as you put.

Here is something to try out, let me know how much you tithe every month because for the next three months, I want you to stop religiously give tithe but instead be doing cheerful giving by deciding in your heart, the amount you are comfortable to give, it could 5%, could be 0.01%, could be 50%, could be 75%, could be 95%, could even be 10%, in a very strange or unusual manner, could even be 0%, then if after the three months period, if you dont benefit from having a better and prosperous good life, divine blessing, breakthroughs and favour but calamity, misfortune, loss or decrease in financial standing befalls you then I will reimburse your loss with interest and you can go back to what you previously were doing. Are you game?

Olajah81:
U knw get sense naa today me know..
Continue ur wacko-jacko in foolishness...

You've within the space of 2 minutes repeated the same brusque comment to three different monikers. Why didnt you please try and follow you doctor's advice, huh?

alBHAGDADI:
Whether Jacob tithed or not is not the issue but the fact that it existed during his time just as it was with his grandfather Abraham. Now, how dare you say Jacob never tithed? How dare you say what the Bible never said?

My only book for spiritual guidance is the bible, not some artifacts or historical findings. What you are saying now is that Abraham borrowed the idea of tithing from pagans and gave tithe to God who accepted it? To you, God has been borrowing ideas from pagans. Please, stop reading all this historical findings filled with jargons. They are all inspired by Satan who also dug up some false manuscript and claim they are the older manuscripts of the Bible even though they contain flaws. That manuscript has led to all these false modern Bible versions we have today.

Abraham didn't tithe because he saw the pagans around him tithing. Stop believing what your Bible doesnt tell you, else you believe falsehood.

Abraham tithed out of faith in God. This means God told him to do it. He heard the word of God telling him to tithe and so he had faith in it.

MuttleyLaff:
You are ignorant and a shameless hypocrite, just wait until when I return back. I have at the moment, things right now that needs my immediate and urgent attention to attend to

alBHAGDADI:
You want to go and dig an ancient ground in Mesopotamia for artifacts, right?

What is today called alBHAGDADI? What was yesterday called alBHAGDADI? Those names of the day are borrowed ideas from whom and where alBHAGDADI?

Do you now see, what an ignorant and a shameless hypocrite you are, huh? I have more but it just that I dont kick someone when they are down, so I'll leave it just at that, just continue reading on, to learn more and gain proper and correct knowledge on tithing, OK?

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Horlufemi:
We are on the same page.

I already knew you didnt first know we are singing from the same hymn book

Horlufemi:
Christians aren't supposed to tithe

Christians and believers can tithe if they so decided in their heart and are not coerced, being forced people to give, aren't getting threatened with fear of curses, calamity or misfortune if they don't give an imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving. As long as specified financial demands aren't forced on people, it isn't a prob. If people willing and on their own initiative give tithe, that's OK

Let's just go there. There really is no percentage on giving for believers. All God requires, is a cheerful giving, that you decide in your heart without being forced or coerced to give. As a matter of fact, it is any amount that you're comfortable with and be in accordance to the level of grace you've received, only that there is a caveat that whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously

The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, to tithe
and so when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility to tithe, is no longer required or needed
It was under that or those then present circumstances, that people like alBHAGDADI dont understand, that Jesus says to tithe, and not the thereafter

People like alBHAGDADI and others, dont want to recognise that the only tithes used to be given to God were:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to God via the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to God, via a priest cum king (e.g. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) also given are:
1) At pagan temples to priest(s) (note alBHAGDADI extra biblical references will be provided upon your request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note alBHAGDADI bible references also will be provided upon your request)
3) To a local ruler cum priest of a god or God, worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war slaughering enemies

Now this is breaking it further down for easier understanding for the likes of alBHAGDADI and others
1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law. For the attention of Horlufemi, this one, this so called "voluntary tithe" happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing, as a form of contribution or donation toward's any Kingdom purposes, aid or means. In fact, the beauty and tithing subtle difference, is that, it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably. So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means, I technically have given a tithe. Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead voluntarily giving it

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing because the giving could be more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
(i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%)
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself
How much you give, changes according to the amount or percentage, you willingly over the passage of time, decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully. This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory. Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, it is dead with the law and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

What alBHAGDADI and others he is in cahoot with dont want to correctively preach, is that the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed, as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

alBHAGDADI and anyone can go check out Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9 to find out that God is doing a full circle with this give as you determine in your heart without being under compulsion
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budaatum:
Local authorities are always after social workers, if that's what you mean. Try their websites or jobscouk.

Thank you, if anything else and/or more, please message me asap.

slogozer:
Thanks for your response. Please can you give scriptural backing to help those who genuinely are inquisitive. God bless you.

"He is the Rock; his deeds are perfect.
Everything he does is just and fair.
He is a faithful God who does no wrong; how just and upright He is!"
- Deuteronomy 32:4

slogozer, you are a believer, that much I have gathered about you and so makes this response an easier task to do. Now if you know God that much and well enough, you will be the first to admit and acknowledge that God is a just and fair God, who is strictly honourable honest and without no injustice and unrighteousness in Him. Now if there is no wickedness or evil in God and because of this fact and truth, then there is no way God is going to permit anyone to be undeservedly destroyed.

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
God is merciful and righteous in everything He does. He is filled with kindness and is compassionate in judgement and all His works.

Olajah81:
Have u got mad B4

Look in the mirror and repeat the question, then answer
Who let you out sef?

frosbel2:
Small update :

Jesus did not die for anyone except of course in the fictional narrative of the new testament

Nobody will be condemned for not believing in a MYTHICAL Jesus.

Christians are INSANE - they cannot even agree on the basics, lol.

Truly, all fingers are alike but not equal or agree in length.
All fingers are not the same, so I wouldnt think Christians will be an exception, if I do, then I must be naive

Olajah81:
One big Trophy beer for U.??
U really make sense
Help ask dem wheather Satan is a demon

"but some of them said,
"No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan, the prince of demons.""
- Luke 11:15

"But the Pharisees said,
"The leader of the demons gives him the power to force out demons.""
- Matthew 9:34

"⁷"Where have you come from?" the LORD asked Satan.
Satan answered the LORD, "I have been patrolling the earth (i.e. doing visitations), watching everything that's going on.
⁸Then the LORD asked Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth. He is blameless--a man of complete integrity. He fears God and stays away from evil.""
- Job 1:7-8

Ranchhoddas:
My Oga.
I dey like daily bread. Ready whenever you are.

Chief, una nefa hear say bread no dey daily for the comman man and/or ajepako ni?

budaatum:
The social sciences include, but are not limited to: anthropology, archaeology, communication studies, economics, history, human geography, jurisprudence, linguistics, political science, psychology, public health, and sociology. The term is also sometimes used to refer specifically to the field of sociology, the original "science of society", established in the 19th century. For a more detailed list of sub-disciplines within the social sciences see: Outline of social science.

I'm worried about you muttley!

Applied Social Sciences BSocSc (Hons), and stop mucking about if you know, no matter how small it might be, you can be of any help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkxTuA8Ucm0
Polygamy helps the economy, it was stated in the above YouTube video, one participant when asked how many wives he had, audaciuosly replied back: Seven!

What if youths could take charge of electoral processes and had the power to influence the future of Nigeria?
Ranchhoddas, I still havent forgotten replying you back on this thread and especially on this your interesting last post here ooo

tintingz:
LMAO.

I know, you'll think you've heard or seen it all

budaatum:
Which original text are you referring to muttley?

Commemorate" was the word used in the NIV, and not buda's choice unless your claim is buda wrote it! You might want to take it up with it. The KJV uses "lament" which isn't too far off!

You'll soon find out budaatum..(edited out)

LordReed:
MuttleyLaff

Please explain Jepthah's lament

And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.

vis a vis Hannah's reaction to giving Samuel up.

You must be a witch or winch, as is usually said by those in South South and South East. I have already explained Jephthah's lament in this post I am currently finishing up, and my gratitude to you, because you're more knowledgeable enough to use the correct or close to the actual word used in the original text than the "commemorate" budaatum preferred to used, though it's right but it waters down the import of what actually and apparently happened. Watch this space LordReed, I think I am 95% finished before posting my rebuttal to budaatum's post, that's if I dont get called away or get distracted from my Mac

budaatum:
h t tps://youtu.be/Pt66kbYmXXk

I always thoroughly enjoy nonstamp' videos, they dont as usual stop being very satirically entertaining and you find nonstampcollector trolling other people's channel because they are pointing out the gaping holes in his monitised videos

The problem here is people are so blinkered by the trees, that they can't because of the trees, see the woods, that is why they are so fixated on the impression that Jephthah barbecued his daughter and other Abraham-Isaac-God misgivings people like frank317, Dantedasz, CreepyBlackpool, LordReed et al might have

JujuSugar:
Thanks for quoting me without even addressing any of the points I brought up. Classic theist move.

I said it before, that, dont you know that when you peer into the dark, you ought be careful, because the dark looks back

I earlier told you JujuSugar, that I can and will take you down pitch dark, you dont really want to go down to. I also outrightly, let out that, right there, is an "or", I didnt mention, that's before the "if" in Judges 11:31b. JujuSugar, I even advised you to go research or check out the meaning of "conjunctive waw" because that was all I was prepared to say, and I gave the reason for that being, anything more than what I've already and so far shared, is going to be information overload and that we both know what information overload means, so after all that, it baffles me, what all this "thanks for quoting me without even addressing any of the points I brought up. Classic theist move." talk to bloodofthelamb is all about.

I also did mention that, it's not now, its not today, its not yesterday, it's not years before, I've been taken part, in talking about Jephthah, and that's why I said earlier that this Jephthah controversy has been flogged enough times over and long time laid to rest many years ago, on nairaland, and so wondering why, some are still tearing hairs out and getting hard-ons over it. I've been there, sold it, done it and have the "Jephthah controversy" souvenir t-shirt I bought that reminds me of the skirmish(es).

If you want to be combative JujuSugar, why not wisely and carefully, pick battles you know you can fight fair and square. Huh?
JujuSugar, you and I know our many little secrets, and one of them, as you've skillfully demonstrated and shown here, is that, as for this Jephthah controversy, you barely can tie shoes, on your own.

You dont owe me an explanation for the deceitful and monumental nonsense you put on there, that you've got undue and undeserved accolades from. The credit attributed to you is not rightfully yours, and you know it. You didnt, except for ..., earn anything, to deserve the praises thrown at you by Dantedasz, LordReed and the others you pulled the wool over their eyes with but its all cool, as let's just put it simply like this, the leopard never changes its spots and budaatum can be more forgiving than you can imagine
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godwinstringed1:
Satan visited Jesus to tempt him. Satan was as fallen angel.

Demons are his tools. Demons run aways from the anointed.

If you agree and accept that Satan is a fallen angel, what then are demons?
Whose orders, beck and call are demons following?
Demons running away from the anointed, doesnt mean demons dont make visitations on the anointed, or does it?

alBHAGDADI:
Is Satan a demon? Look at the way you just quoted the verse out of context.

Can I ask you a question? Does Satan makes visitations upon believers or not?

alBHAGDADI:
You are wrong on mental people making heaven.

Mental people will be judged based on their last state of health. If they were unbelievers before they ran mad, then hell fire is truly theirs. As for if they were believers, I strongly believe a Christian cannot run mad. Madness has to do with a demon or demons possessing someone. But Christians have been bought by God and his spirit lives inside them. A demon cannot enter the house where the Holy Spirit resides. Any person who claims to be a Christian but ran mad was never a Christian. Such a person was rejecting Jesus while holding on to the idea that he could save himself by believing in works based salvation.

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them."
- Job 1:6

I just have to disconcur with you that a demon cannot enter the house where the Holy Spirit resides. Demons can enter anywhere, but it doesnt mean, they'll be comfortable and feel being at home wherever they enter, so demons doing visitation(s) shouldnt be mistook as demons taking up residence.

alBHAGDADI:
Abraham tithing, Mosaic tithing or Ecclesiastical tithing, what matters is tithing. You argument is that mosaic tithing only states to bring agricultural produce. This is why you wonder why today's tithing is asking for money. Don't you know that the priesthood which collected agricultural produce as tithe has changed, so therefore the law also has changed. This is why money is now being collected instead of agricultural produce cos the law as simply changed.

Hebrews 7:12 KJV
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
I chose to be wise by honoring God with my tithe even though he doesn't need it to exist .

Proverbs 3:9
Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

Whether Jacob tithed or not is not the issue but the fact that it existed during his time just as it was with his grandfather Abraham. Now, how dare you say Jacob never tithed? How dare you say what the Bible never said?

My only book for spiritual guidance is the bible, not some artifacts or historical findings. What you are saying now is that Abraham borrowed the idea of tithing from pagans and gave tithe to God who accepted it? To you, God has been borrowing ideas from pagans. Please, stop reading all this historical findings filled with jargons. They are all inspired by Satan who also dug up some false manuscript and claim they are the older manuscripts of the Bible even though they contain flaws. That manuscript has led to all these false modern Bible versions we have today.

Abraham didn't tithe because he saw the pagans around him tithing. Stop believing what your Bible doesnt tell you, else you believe falsehood.

Abraham tithed out of faith in God. This means God told him to do it. He heard the word of God telling him to tithe and so he had faith in it.

Romans 10:17 (KJV)
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You say Abraham tithed only once? Are you expecting the Bible to be all about the amount of times Abraham paid tithes? As if there aren't other stories to write about.

You are ignorant and a shameless hypocrite, just wait until when I return back. I have at the moment, things right now that needs my immediate and urgent attention to attend to

LordReed:
@MuttleyLaff

You were asking how the god could test Abraham without requiring child sacrifice, remember Frodo and the Ring in Lord of the Rings? Now there's a properly written tale of testing and sacrifice. The Ring became preciousssss to Frodo and he struggled at the last point to give it up yet he made the journey to the mountain of sacrifice and had every intention of giving it up even though he struggled.

LOTR > bible any day of the week including sundays and public holidays. LMFAO!

I really think you've mistaken my moniker for somebody's else and incorrectly tried linking me with that comment LordReed so please kindly reproduce here verbatim what you alledge me asking, as I am not following or understanding.

Horlufemi:
Prove it first. Then even still I would only tithe if EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the church benefit from the donation brought to the Church. But prove it first that Pastors are Levites. The only Church system I recognize is that of the early apostles. Nothing more nothing less.

Then address 1-5

Why should I prove, even if I should prove it, it doesnt mean you are qualified to give tithe, or does it?

alBHAGDADI:
I'm adhering to the principle of tithing which is giving 10% of all to God Almighty.

You either are following and adhering to the Abrahaic style of tithing, the Levitical laid down style of tithing or the obligatory and/or imposed ecclesiastical monetised tithe giving, so which one out of the three are adhering to Mr alBHAGDADI?

alBHAGDADI:
As long as I depend on God to supply my needs which he does, I in turn giving 10% of all he has given me.

God supplies all your needs and others without you giving Him 1%, talkless 10%. It has nothing to do with the amount, it has a great deal to do with the heart Mr alBHAGDADI. Think about that

alBHAGDADI:
Jacob all practiced tithing, even though it is not recorded that he gave. It shows that it was a common practice passed down to him from his grandfather Abraham.

You're very clever and crafty. I see you havent missed a trick. Well you and I know our little secret, that Jacob, never tithed and that is the reason why there is no record that Jacob gave tithe

alBHAGDADI:
Go and read the story of Abraham and how he circumcised all those in his household, the servants and those he bought with his money. The circumcission was an order from God as a covenant between him and Abraham. If Abraham did circumcize those people whom event his blood, then he must have also taught them tithing which they must have practiced as well.

Abraham did not have to teach tithing to anyone or anybody. It is a well known historical and documentated fact that Abram tithed in line with the prevailing mesopotamia custom to tithe. Artifacts shows and testifies to idol worshippers and/or heathens practice of tithing. Like few other things, tithing was a status quo. Why not go to a museum, bring your historical knowledge up to date

Mr alBHAGDADI, Abraham tithed only once., and the reason why Abraham tithed only once, is because Abraham took up arms, went to fight, he went on battle just the one time. Abraham went after another just once. It is this one time pursuit that Abraham fought, captured and SLAUGHTERED kings only hence the reason he tithed only once. Abraham never had the chance to repeat the thrill of taking up arms, chase, fight, capture and slaughter kings again, and so the opportunity for him to give tithe on spoils of war never came up or arose again. Jacob did not go to war, Jacob did not slaughter in a battle to warrant him giving tithe on the booty. It was 400 years plus later that Jacob, as Israel, after conquering the promised land and slaughter kings that God now required the Israelites to give tithe on agricultural land and produce.

alBHAGDADI:
Was Abraham an Israelite when he gave tithe? Was it only agricultural produce he gave as tithe or from all he got on that day?

SHOW me where God changed the law on tithing in the new testament. I bet you won't find such. You guys just want to throw away the Old testament with claims that it was for Israel. No, it is also for us Christians of today because the Bible says in the new testament that all scriptures are profitable for doctrine and more.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

That's why we hold on to the Old Testament laws which God didn't change in the New Testament and discard the ones he specifically changed.

An example is the dietary laws where he commanded his people not to eat pork and shrimps. That law was changed in the new testament when Paul said we can eat all things EXCEPT Blood. Blood was restricted in the old testament and that law still holds today as seen by Paul's statement.

Romans 14:2-4 (KJV)
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Acts 15:29 KJV
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from BLOOD, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Now if you say all the Old Testament laws have been thrown away because Jesus came to die for us, will you also say the below law against Cross-dressing has been thrown away too, such that men can now dress like women and women like men? Is that what Jesus came to die for?

Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV)
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L ORD thy God.

As long as no new testament law changed the above law against crosss-dressing, then the law holds. Same way tithing which predates the law of Moses still holds cos it never got changed in the new testament.

1/ Are you then saying you're following and/or adhering to the Abraham type of tithe giving?
2/ What conditions and boxes have ticked you that recognises you as being qualified to give the sort of Abraham type of tithe?
3/ Except for Abraham, show where a non-Israelite, ever gave tithe to God. I bet you won't find such.