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shosky1794:
You know Jimi Disu very well. He talks about the School of Nursing almost on a daily basis.

It pains everyone the land grabbing by that tin god, it always is the elephant not in the room that has to covertly be mentioned

Sanwo-Olu famzing Disu, keeps on saying Egbon to Disu. Agbari things

Very soon, is not an answer Sanwo-Olu, to when are we going to finish the Blue line question now. SMH

4kings:
Oga mi.
I didn't even know this was what you highlighted from my post that warranted that question.
So in your mind, you've equated "Weird" with "Evil"?

Oga mi, if you were sincere and honest, you will admit that I separated evil and weird, by first asking, what is evil, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour and then asked what specifically you find weird about gays

You guys are fond of and just like prevaricating and ignoring the purview of questions asked you. Now tell and show me, where anyone or me has equated "Weird" with "Evil" on this thread?

I was merely exploring lines of enquiry on whether you are able to articulate the evil there is, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour and explain what you've admitted to and find weird in same sex relationship but here you are turning the whole matter on its head, huffing and puffing upandan the whole place

4kings:
What's your definition of weird and what's your definition of evil?
Hopefully its the same definition i understand, figure this out and tell me how pertinent your question is?

Shame on you, if this is your way to clearly, decisively and confidently not answer the question.

If you must know, I know not of any evil, therein, of two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour however as a heterosexual, I do find same sex prefering themselves, in a "not bad" way, have this element or qualities of surrealism about it.

4kings:
Here's a link i bookmarked in Quora.
Read the (should be second) answer of how harmful the incest victim thought her relationship with her dad was and how it affected her career.
https://www.quora.com/What-does-incest-feel-like

What is this garbage link you've sign posted me too?. SMH.

4kings:
And you should really read more of that, i have read most similar stories on Quora and Reddit. This your portrayal of incest does not play out everywhere.

Was it me, who brought in incestous relationship?

4kings:
Are you living in utopia?

Exactly my point, and that's how I earlier wrote: In an ideal world, that maybe the case, that "man was made for woman" unfortunately, we dont have and don't live in an ideal world like that

Now remember, on the issue of same sex relationship, my question centres between the confines of two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour. Notice the keywords are consent, adults, no harm, truthful (i.e. no secrecy), no cheating, no betrayal, no treachery etcetera

4kings:
I have read here in Nairaland were a Grandmother was aware of sexual relations going on between Father and Daughter and did nothing.
Moreso, read were Men use their children for sacrifice for prospective wealth and all....
Seen movie projections of the idea of a three$ome in a family.
This is not one to be considered an impossibility in this world we live in.

I cant believe, that in order to have a cheap one over, you guys will descend into the slime, and be bringing up abuses, children sexually assaulted to advance a non point. SMH

4kings:
Besides like i said before which you ommited, this argument makes no sense.
Are you using the Father here as a judge for morality?

You are typing like a drowning man, who will clutch at any straw in sight. No, I am not using the father here as a judge for morality, I merely asked a simple question, you have difficult giving a honest sincere and outright answer to

4kings:
Can you easily see any Nigerian man that would be proud of his Son bestiality or homosexuality? Would that be a valid argument to support a bestiality opposition?

You this man sef SMH. Do animals give consent? SMH. Mtchewww. Where is that OBJ what kind of nonsense is this meme when you need it?

4kings:
Wow, you just skipped my main point on Pedophilia here.

You should be reported to the authorities, if like UyiIredia, you have the temerity to ask how pedophilia is harmful, is cheating, is betraying and is detrimental. How can someone not acknowledge that pedophilia has to do with sexual feelings directed at and/or towards children. SMH.

4kings:
And when you say i'm pot calling kettle black here... what exactly did you mean? I didn't get it at all... Do you know what that phrase means?

Please learn to read correctly, I wrote: "Here you are a pot, looking for kettle to associate with and point out as being black as you are. The crucial point you arent getting, is that, kids born to parents in an incestuous relationship have an increased chance of having certain biological or medical problems than those born to parents not in an incestuous relationship. So yes, incestous relationship was OK to start with, but as time passed on, for a very good biological and/or medical reason, had an embargo imposed on the practice. Now, it will be an another kettle of fish, if you move, to talking of non reproductive incestuous relationships"

4kings:
And why can't i move to non reproductive incestuous relationships, most are based on being non reproductive.

What of those that dont remain or stay being non reproductive?

4kings:
Anyways, is your argument against incest because of health issues? You do differentiate Incest from Inbreeding right?

Yes fundamentally because of the range of mental, emotional, biological and health issues. Of course, inbreeding is upping the ante, so to speak. Inbreeding, as it were, compared with incest, is notching up.

4kings:
And when was it OK to start with? and at what time was it less harmful? Incest I mean.

It was OK to start with before the degradation of the DNA block. Incest posed no harm at the earliest time (i.e. in the beginning)

4kings:
Anyways, Mr Man, my main issue was not on incest but like UyiIredia said an argument of slippery slope from supporting some Liberals views not just incest.

I didnt introduce incest either, my interest solely is fairness, justice and level playing field without fear of discrimination, for two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses to enjoy a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

4kings:
See first quote for this.

What first quote?


Two so simple and easy to answer to questions on the supposedly evil and the weirdness you mentioned and admitted to have, and all you and UyiIredia keep doing, is sitting on the fence, vacillating about and squirming
cc Ranchhoddas

naptu2:

Muttleylaff, Muttleylaff, Muttleylaff.


Anyway, I retired from having long arguments on the Internet in 2014, but I have 2 related questions for you and then I'm done with the thread.

1) In your opinion, was there anything that Jakande did wrong when he was governor (no ifs and buts) and can you explain what that thing was?

2) In your opinion, was there anything that Fashola did right when he was governor (no ifs and buts) and can you explain what that thing was?

Take care.

I promise, I'll only read and wont reply back to your response(s) to my answer(s)

luvmijeje:
Oya!!!!! MuttleyLaff, these are questions with many pitfalls.

This is how arguments come about, and that's from exchange of opinions. I never do arguments and I prefer to state facts rather than give opinion(s) but on this occasion, will make an exception to that stance, so here goes:

1) In your opinion, was there anything that Jakande did wrong when he was governor (no ifs and buts) and can you explain what that thing was?
1/ In my opinion, and I am typing this with utmost respect, admiration and a heavy heart, I cant find anything that Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande, a simple, selfless, humble, public-spirited and/or serving others man did wrong when he was governor of Lagos State and because of no ifs and buts, then so, have no wrong he did, to explain about.

2) In your opinion, was there anything that Fashola did right when he was governor (no ifs and buts) and can you explain what that thing was?
2/ I know, to be a fact that Fashola did the right thing of trying to get off the albatross around his neck. Yes, I can explain that the albatross thing, is polithiefician land-grabber Tinubu. Ambode, tried too, but it cost him dearly, his second tenure. Unlike Fashola who survived, he didnt.
There is fire on the mountain, he is not just denied a second tenure but now is being told to resign or be impeached. Rubbing salt into injury
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luvmijeje:
And I've asked you that if Gbadamosi gets there, won't he also steal?
Won't he also inflate contract?

Babatunde Olalere Gbadamosi of Action Democratic Party (ADP) has no political godfather he is answerable to, so why would he want to steal, why would he want to inflate contracts. Say no to feudalism. Lagos State has been turned into one greedy man's cash cow

luvmijeje:
Is there a politician who's a Saint?

The Nigerian Compass on Saturday had last week exclusively reported that Jakande, whose record of performance in the state is yet to be matched by succeeding governments 30 years after, was not being paid the jumbo package by the state government.

In an interview with the newspaper, Jakande had also stated unequivocally, that he would not even accept the jumbo pay if offered because, according to him, it is "excessive and obscene"

Under the law, a former Governor and Deputy Governor of the state will receive equal pays with the incumbent holders of the office. The former Governor will be entitled to a house each in Lagos and Abuja, at a location of his choice, and will have six official vehicles and a retinue of domestic aides.

In another interview with this paper on Wednesday this week, Alhaji Jakande restated his belief that the pay package, is wasteful and a drain on the state's purse.

After enquiring if any such law exists anywhere else in the world, he lapsed into Yoruba language, saying: "Ki lawon Omo wonyi fe so aye dabayi?"meaning: "What are these children turning the world into?" Alhaji Jakande queried further: "How can an ex-Governor be on the same salary with the incumbent?"

He had said last week: "I have not benefited from this bill. I am not interested in it. My own attitude is that God has given me what I consider to be a good pension. That pension, to me, is the appreciation of my service to Nigerians, even non-Nigerians.

"My view on the bill is that it a waste of public funds. The appreciations I received daily from people are enough for me as my pension. This I will cherish till I die."

luvmijeje:
Are they not all thieves?

My eyes took a double take and my heart bled reading the above and this your other remark here and I felt like raining curses on each and everyone of those that allowed us end up like this. luvmijeje, please bookmark these following links for later reading at your most convenient time:
1/ https://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/07/why-i-refused-to-quit-abacha-govt-jakande-at-80-opens-up/
2/ https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/legendary-lateef-jakande-modest-life-in-retirement.html

luvmijeje:
Until we have a system that can act as a check and balance, I trust no politicians.

Did you know that Nigeria's western region civil service in the 1960s was the envy of sub-Saharan Africa, if not the whole of Africa then. This is part of the changes Babatunde Olalere Gbadamosi of Action Democratic Party (ADP) plans to bring back to Lagos State

Ajibel:
You believe Jakande made giant strides in Lagos. When he made those giant strides, were other states making such giant strides too or should we say Pa Jakande was also a one eyed man in the land of the blind?

Yes, all other states were making similar strides too. Case in point, Bisi Onabanjo in Ogun State, Adekunle Ajasin in Ondo State and Bola Ige in Oyo State.

Ajibel:
But you believe Fash is overrated and did nothing.

I said he is overrated, I wasnt the only person who've said this about Fashola, I wasnt the first person to say this about him and I am quite sure I wouldnt be the last person to say he is overrated, but it's baffling how you managed to invent a remark and fabricate that I believe Fashola did nothing, when all I mentioned is that he is overrated. I then followed up with list me Fashola legacies that Lagos State are satisfactorily and without reservations enjoying. The keywords were "satisfactorily and without reservations enjoying"

Ajibel:
Fashola built 5 IPPs in Lagos, was that nothing to you?
Fashola built the Lekki ikoyi link bridge that is now a signature for Lagos, does that mean nothing to you?
Fashola revamped and improved the conditions of Oshodi which was a nightmare, was that insignificant to you?

Again, the keywords were "satisfactorily and without reservations enjoying"

Now Ajibel, do you know how many years Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande served as governor of Lagos State for, compared to Tinubu's 8 years and Fashola's another 8 years, a total of 16 years of APC squeezing, exploitation and bondage, not adding Ambode's?
I can present you a list of LKJ's achievements in that short period to contrast the dividend of democracy with that of APC's 16 years

Ajibel:
All his achievements while in government is well documented on his personal website tundefashola.com

I know, I am sure they are well documented on his personal website, and thats why the 8 years achievements makes him strut upandan the place like a prized peacock

989900:
[s]Abeg, stop dignifying that sentimental biased soul with a response . . . probably, Fashola snatched his wife or refused to pay his school fees, hence the bile.
Even his basic argument is so disjointed[/s].
APC basically rode on Fashola's sole successes to power (federal, state, and local).

You can clutch at straws as long as you'll like to. I dont give a fairk. All I am for, is what is right for Lagos State. PDP nor APC is right for Lagos State. Babatunde Olalere Gbadamosi of Action Democratic Party (ADP) is best hand for Lagos State is all I am saying.

Ajibel:
Yes of course, but I didn't experience his tenure. I wasn't born then. I know you'll go ahead and call me a millenial bla bla but I witnessed Fashola's governance, I liked what I saw, I give him a 70% performance rating. Can there be people who can do much better than him? Yes. But so far, I haven't witnessed any, and for the sake of Lagos progress and development, I don't want Fashola to be the best we've ever had. Let his successors accomplish in 4 years what Fashola couldn't accomplish in 8 years, for a greater Lagos.

Thanks sir.

I'm not ashamed to say that Fashola is the only politician dead or alive today that I admire
- by Ajibel

You are forgiven for making a reckless declaration like the one above, celebrating mediocrity and a one eyed man in the land of the blind and ignoring the strides and foundations laid down by giants like LKJ.

Give Babatunde Olalere Gbadamosi of Action Democratic Party (ADP) an inch and see how much miles he will take Lagos State to

Ranchhoddas:
It is the IDEA. I don't have to see them.
Yuck!

Bro, you have 99 problems but hating on these guys and/or same sex relationships, shouldnt be among them 99 problems now
Dont worry, I'll soon meet up with you on the other thread, just havent got round yet replying back to your last post on there

989900:
Bunch of mumbojumbo, big fat malarkey.

You will say that and same about Alpha Beta.
Text book classic case of Stockholm Syndrome situation

luvmijeje:
Really? If these is the best of his achievements, may Baba go sepe.
1. If I start listing all what Fashola commissioned during his administration, you will apologize to us his fans immediately. But let me list those I witnessed and what really inspire me to be his fan.

2. The ability to inspire.....Fashola is the first politician that will inspire me with his speech to believe in his programmes.

3. I've witnessed Fashola come to the general hospital to make an inspection without them knowing that he's coming.

4. Fashola is the first Politician that I'll see regularly checks up on going projects and not completed projects.

5. Under him, I got to see works being done on a major carnal during the dry season.

6. Under him, I got to see public transport drivers afraid to break traffic laws.

7. Under him, I got to see our emergency numbers working effectively.

8. Under him, I got to see State police patrolled during the darkest hours.

9. For the first time, I saw a leader who was passionate about leading.

10. For the first time, I saw a leader who understand the importance of communication.

For the numerous projects Fashola commissioned, please make use of Google and come back to apologize to us.

You asked for five, so I restricted myself to the limit. Do you see the magnanimity of the dividends of democracy from those five list enjoyed? Did you read what naptu2 posted about Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande being one of the best governors that Lagos has ever had (i.e. if not the best, but that's naptu2 not wanting to be truthful and committed. He was also conservative with LKJ's achievements)

Ajibel:
I'll help you ma with some links to back you up, so that the anti Fashola goons can go through.
I'm not ashamed to say that Fashola is the only politician dead or alive today that I admire.
The Tinubu that is his political mentor is not and can never be my fan.
https://www.nairaland.com/4734320/fasholas-first-term-ambode-incompetent

https://www.nairaland.com/4761332/fashola-ungrateful-ambode-2015-election

https://www.nairaland.com/3806623/fashola-still-unmatched-achievements-photos

Where is Deo melo when you need him sef

Are you aware at all that the octogenarian Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande is still alive?

luvmijeje:
Thank you Sir.
cc MuttleyLaff

989900:
You're only feeling nostalgic, you'll get over it.

Fashola is administratively the most qualified Nigerian to be president.

The thing about 989900, Ajibel, luvmijeje and others, is that you all are suffering from a Stockholm Syndrome situation and so have developed sympathy for the oppressors of Lagos State. Even in far way Ghana, Jerry John Rawlings, former Head of State and President of Ghana, just recently, has said that Nigerians are still in love with their "oppressors"

The Ethiopia-Djibouti railway line modernisation, was initiated in 2011 and completed in October 2016. China Civil Engineering Construction Corporation (CCECC) who was among the contractors for this project is also the company appointed as the contractor for the construction of the Lagos Rail Mass Transit Blue line. Now, the same China Civil Engineering Construction Corporation (CCECC) that was responsible for constructing the 339km railway from Mieso to Djibouti section of the Ethiopia-Djibouti heavy duty railway line modernisation, with a contract cost of $579m or 579 million USD is the same company contracted to build the 35km the Lagos Rail Mass Transit Blue line at $1.2bn. Started after Nigeria's own and finished it but the Lagos Rail Mass Transit Blue line is still crawling to completion, with the completion date kept kicked ahead in the tall grass
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Ranchhoddas:
^^^^This man.
What is wrong is that it harms my sensibilities. Is that not harmful enough?
The idea of two men sweating on top of each other is harmful to me.
Tufiakwa!!!

Get a grip, watching heterosexuals humping away in broad daylight on the grass in an open park will offend my sensibility
Quite a few other things also offends our sensibilities, but it doesnt mean that those other things including same sex relationships, as I've put forward between two ordinary consenting adult etcetera that you find offends your sensibility is evil

Unless you are a perv or into voyeurism, I dont know how you'll see them in their privacy and how your imagination of them gets to harm your sensibilities.

luvmijeje:
Time for confession..... I wasn't born in 1983 or 1985. So I can't make an objective rebuttal.

But during my lifetime, Fashola was and still remains the best governor of my lifetime.

List five things that makes Lateef Jakande far better than Fashola? And I'll list 10 things Fashola have done to revitalize Lagos State.

You must be a millennial then
1/ Free education from primary to tertiary level
2/ The present day Lagos State Secretariat at Alausa was built by Jakande's government within four years
3/ Built Lagos State University
4/ Constructed the Victoria Island/Epe Road, that APC have not only over bloated the cost but have with others, spent 19 years trying to upgrade it
5/ Built Lagos State Television & Lagos Radio

4kings:
Wowu! just logged in! This got interesting!!!

It becomes more interesting when you have the epiphany that, it is not WHO you love, but HOW you love.

4kings:
@MuttleyLaff I told you i have no issues with Gays as regard human rights.

"... Some of those guys are weird like that"
by by 4kings: 12:33pm On Jan 24

You dont have issues with gays, as regards human rights, but according to the above inverted commas quotation, you do find the gays weird, dont you? So I asked, what's the evil in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour and what specifically do you find weird about gays?

4kings:
What's with your quote?
If you looking for "evil", i think you can find it in any form...

4kings, I repeat, I do understand by your admission that you dont have any problems with gays, so now, without you prevaricating, what evil is there, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?

Also what specifically is it, you said you find weird, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?

4kings:
Anyways, i think UyiIredia has given an apt response.

4kings, you really think UyiIredia has? You really think, his response abided by the totality and/or full purview of my question?. Listen, 4kings, I see, UyiIredia, as someone trying to justify his bias and ignorance with using murderers to leverage with, comparing two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour with murderers who have harmed and unlawfully killed other humans without any justification or valid excuse.

I see UyiIredia, as someone having the temerity to ask how pedophilia is harmful, is cheating, is betraying and is detrimental. Someone not acknowledging that pedophilia has to do with sexual feelings directed at and/or towards children. SMH.

4kings:
As per your evil claim on incest:
Starting with consent from a Father :- That's a very weak argument... That's just plain generalisation first of all and we can as well apply to most Fathers in Nigeria/Africa for gays too...
Moreso, why do we need the Father for drawing a boundary of right or wrong here? I have read cases of incestious relationships between a Father and Son and Father and Daughter.
Incest can be between two consenting adults especially in this modern era uncle.

I see, just like UyiIredia, you are unwilling and hesitant to say and/or admit the evil there is in incestuous, necrophilia, bestial & pedophilic relationships.

Incest, though might turn out to be a consensual sexual activity or somehow cajoled into by means of all manners of manipulation, still borders on being treachery, harmful to another person(s), cheating on another person(s), betraying another person(s) and being detrimental to another person(s).

4kings, no father will give his blessing that his son should have a sexual relationship with his wife, his son's mother. If you beg to differ 4kings, then please I profusely beg you, show me as evidence, in post modern society, a father, that has ever given his blessing that his son can fairk his wife, his son's mother. I've already conceded that incestuous relationships was previously kosher, but has become stale and expired, it has gone past it's "use-by" date. I dont have to discuss genetic disorders in excessive detail, so I will leave it at the "use-by" date juncture, as I know you got the drift

4kings:
Anyways, my point was on Liberals though, like i said.
UyiIredia has tried to substantiate this but you still don't get it.
There are states even in the US, that has 15 and 13 years as age of consent for marriage... Because of poor logic you guys use for matters, i won't be surprised if 20 years from now, Incest, sexual relationships with 13 years and above, etc would be considered normal in most part of the world.

SMH. Here you are a pot, looking for kettle to associate with and point out as being black as you are. The crucial point you arent getting, is that, kids born to parents in an incestuous relationship have an increased chance of having certain biological or medical problems than those born to parents not in an incestuous relationship. So yes, incestous relationship was OK to start with, but as time passed on, for a very good biological and/or medical reason, had an embargo imposed on the practice. Now, it will be a another kettle of fish, if you move, to talking of non reproductive incestuous relationships.

4kings:
Anyways, evil and good even for me is very tricky for matters like this, that's why like I told UyiIredia, I don't want to be too assertive at this point, but read more and listen to different perspectives as i form my views.

My question, is simple, clear-cut and nowhere being tricky at all:

4kings clearly and distinctly, and without again prevaricating, tell what evil is there, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?

Either tell what the evil is or admit there is no evil in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour.

It's a so simple and easy to answer to question, but all you and UyiIredia are doing, is sitting on the fence, vacillating about and squirming
cc Ranchhoddas

Michellekabod1:
Do you see abortion as murder or not?

I see abortion, the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, within the confines of the law of the land, as not being murder. Capisce?

Tetehjewels:
Ahhh yes my soul is hardened to see the corrupt in my nation dealt with.

My soul is hardened to ensure the only man who has so far made any move against the

is reelected

My soul is hardened to ensure an experimentalist and novice like sowore doesn't come in now

My soul is hardened and I am glad it is.

PDP had 16 years to give you the eldorado you listed above and failed woefully.

In less than 4 years under PMB we are seeing completed projects which were abandoned for up to 30 years and people who were owed pensions for up to 20 years being paid.

Guy leave me and this my hardened soul. I am loving it that way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVXSFPdTnHs

Sowore has all his life from twenty years old plus been fighting the corrupt elite. Sowore and saharareporters have been whilstleblowing and doing exposé on the political and corrupt elite. They've been a thorn in the flesh of corrupt Nigerians and Sowore particularly, isnt afraid when confronting compromised officials (e.g. army chiefs, Lucky Igbinedion, James Ibori, Bukola Saraki, Iyabo Obasanjo-Bello, Farida Waziri, Ojo Maduekwe, Mrs. Diezani Alison-Madueke, Christian Nwosu, a former Administrative Secretary with the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) etcetera) It was Sowore's saharareporters, who first brought to light, a certain, now in the news corrupt Chief Justice that is living above his means.

So you can have all those you've listed and more with Sowore. Nigeria can have accelerated, vigorous, done quickly and quicker solutions to problems plaguing the country. With the right candidate, like someone like Sowore, with clear cut and spelled out digital ideas of how to transform the the country, alleviate poverty, turn the country into a construction site thereby give rise to mass employment, tackle the epileptic power supply problem with 21st century innovative solution, pay minimum living wage etcetera. How to achieve these, are explained in detail the party's manifesto on how SPICERHEAT will tackle and address the ills of the country, plans to make the country a construction site etcetera.

This is someone who isnt going to wait 6 months before naming his cabinet, this is someone who is going to hit the ground running and with sleeves rolled up. PMB and Sanwo-Olu are good men. I have never doubted that, but there are better and more capable men available to carry out the work, like right now.
cc luvmijeje

WORLDPEACE:
I see you are quoting people. It's good. But it's better you watch him for yourself so that you can form your own independent opinion.

I quoted sample of others agreeing that Fashola is overrated and that was to show, it's not just only me, to show it isnt an opinion but it is a fact that Fashola is overrated.

Where Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande stands, Fashola will be dwarfed. That inflated and over bloated Lagos Rail Mass Transit blue line was a vision initiated and conceived in 1983 by Jakande, only for Muhammadu Buhari to waltz in under the barrel of gun in 1985, truncated a democratically elected Jakande government. In the process, just like that, scrapped Jakande's Metroline project and so investments went down the drain, at a loss of over $78 million to Lagos State tax payers.
cc luvmijeje

WORLDPEACE:
I see you are quoting people. It's good. But it's better you watch him for yourself so that you can form your own independent opinion.

I quoted sample of others agreeing that Fashola is overrated and that was to show, it's not just only me, to show it isnt an opinion but it is a fact that Fashola is overrated. Where Jakande stands, Fashola will be dwarfed. That inflated and over bloated Lagos Rail Mass Transit blue line was a vision initiated and conceived in 1985 by the Alhaji Lateef Jakande, only for Muhammadu Buhari to waltz in under the barrel of gun in 1985 and scrap Jakande's Metroline project and investment at a loss of over $78 million to the Lagos tax payers.

Tetehjewels:
What or who are the alternatives? Sowore?

He should go learn the ropes first from maybe an LG chairman then we can have a means of evaluating him.

Marginalization or Oppression in Nigeria is a deceipt of the mind. Whosoevers mind isn't broken by such thoughts can break through anything.

The poor will always be with us. Even the rich nations also have the poor.

Take away pride, laziness and lies and poverty will also leave the individual

Yes, Sowore is a worthy alternative

What ropes did PMB learn, when at 41 years old, he forcibly took power in a military coup d'état to be head of state?

Please be fair and have some compassion because, it is barely a week old that I was talking with an octogenarian, a retired Nigerian military nurse, she told me of the devastation of the SS. Told me about when she was growing up and to date, she kept seeing environmental devastations and exposed gas flaring caused by the oil companies. People couldnt farm nor fish, everywhere is polluted. No infrastructure as medicals, roads, power supplies are few and far in between, if not lacking but you have the effrontery to come on here to say marginalization or oppression in Nigeria is a deceit of the mind. SMH. May God have mercy on your hardened soul.

Tetehjewels:
I beg to disagree. We have had enough diapers for 16 years and now know how to upgrade from using diapers which is why we chose PMB who is not a politician.

The diapers left the building in 2015

"I choose the deep blue sea in PMB. Learning how to swim is choice"
- by Tetehjewels: 3:25pm On Jan 26, 2019

You are talking and typing as if there is no alternative option(s) to Atiku or PMB
Even if you arent fazed. Havent you kids? Is this the climate and present conditions you desire your kids to know and grow up in?
What of the marginalised, the oppressed, the poorest, those reduced to poverty etcetera who havent the means to learn to swim and/or dont know how to swim?

MadeInTokyo:
Osibanjo has ran away from the interview, to continue his alaajo scheme tommorow in Oshodi market

Learning fast from the best, Atiku & PMB and picking up on their bad habits of ducking interviews

Tetehjewels:
Neither!

I think people involved in politics make good actors. Acting and politics both involve fooling people. People like being fooled by actors. When you get right down to it, they probably like being fooled by politicians even more. A skillful actor will make you think, but a skillful politician will make you never have to think.

PMB is not a politician!

If he isnt a polithiefician, then he definitely is a diaper, so must be changed, and changed with automatic alacrity

Jowonloju:
You can say whatever you want to say. However, people like us that walk the streets of Lagos knows how Legendary this guy has performed compare to others. Anyway, after 4 years of Ambode lets have this argument.

Does the person and/or name Jakande strike a chord with you?

Tetehjewels:
I choose the deep blue sea in PMB. Learning how to swim is choice

"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason"
- Mark Twain.

Which one is PMB? Nappy head or Polithiefician?

Disu rounded up as usual sucking up to Fashola, Jesus wept.

Who has covered more states in Nigeria than Sowore, who has done more continential town hall meetings than Sowore. Disu and Fashola have started again with bowbow ooo. Atiku and PMB is a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea ojaare, please tell Nigerians the true for once now haba

Exactly what Sowore and Gbadamosi are about, as in, not shying from the problems they want to solve. Well done Fashola for acknowledging this point. Trust me these two wont run when it heats up in the kitchen. Both are starting with their sleeves rolled up

WORLDPEACE:
I hope you really keep the appointment and listen to him. Only then will you know that he is not overrated.

1/ A governorship candidate on the platform of the Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, in Lagos state, Mr. Akintoye Branco-Rhodes, has said that All Progressives Congress, APC, has put the state under bondage.

Akintoye, who expressed hope that the PDP will take over power from the APC in the state in 2015, described Governor Babatunde Fashola as over-rated, saying he hasn’t done anything unusual.

“Fashola is over-rated, he has not done anything unusual to attract the accolades being showered on him by some people”, said Branco-Rhodes.
Published on October 17, 2014

2/ My recent academic research tour of Lagos State proved that Fashola was overrated. The Jimi Disu media conspired with elitists politicians to sell dummies to the general public about Fashola. What I saw during my tour was an eyesore, by Maxwell Adeyemi Adeleye
Published on June 14, 2015

3/ Fashola: A charade and overrated politician, by Jacob Ogunseye
Published on Oct 20, 2015

4/ He has always been overrated, his appointment as a Minister further exposed his ineptitude’
Published on December 13, 2018

"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason"
- Mark Twain.

Ajibel:
Fashola had his downsides. I was disappointed with him with the story of boreholes and website and his refusal to assent to the FOI bill, etc.

These your conservative and/or few disappointments are just a tip of the icerberg

Ajibel:
I should give a list of Fashola'a legacies in Lagos?

Seriously sir, you're asking this question? Deomelo comman see o

Where do you want me to start from?

Maybe because there are few and far in between legacies that Lagos State satisfactorily and without reservations are enjoying.

Ajibel:
I'm so sorry I quoted you in the first place. It would not happen again sir.
Have a nice Sunday

We are too fond of celebrating mediocrity and strutting up and down peacocks

luvmijeje:
you want to kill me with laughter. So you are really this invested.

Let's see how the election goes. If APC wins the Presidential election in Lagos, I'll vote and campaign for him. If they win by a slim margin or lose, your guy won't survive to see the election.

My heart bleeds. Forget Presidential election in Lagos please and let's put things in proper perspective. The Yoruba colloquial says "ti ina ba njoni, ti ara eni, ni a ma kan gbon" loosely translated means "You douse off fire on you first, before concerned of others" Every day counts, educate others now, dont wait for the outcome of February 16th. If they like vote in a monkey or ass at the Federal level, but as far as Lagos State is concerned, we want dividends of democracy and when do we want it, we wanted it yesterday, we want it now!

luvmijeje, you seem to have your heart in your head concerning the prospects of being comfortable, healthy, happy and enjoying the dividends of democracy in Lagos State

NnennaG6:
Your OP is vague as hell

^^^If you spot one, that's an oxymoron, right there because "hell" is not vague now
I know what you meant with the remark though

luvmijeje:
MuttleyLaff, I also love this guy. Let's see how well he will do in the upcoming election.

You are not loving him enough. You dont love Lagos State enough, if you do, you wouldnt settle for anything and/or anyone less, based on just sheer sentiments. If you love this guy, then show with your thumb on March 2nd 2019 when the 2019 Lagos gubernatorial election will take place. Sensitise others in your circle and/or sphere of influence, tell and educate others about him within your network at work and home

In Yoruba colloquial, it is said "a single hand cannot lift up a full calabash to the head"

Ajibel:
Unfortunately, what you think of Fashola today won't change the minds and opinions of the majority of Lagosians who believe he's been the best administrator so far.

Even Jimi Disu during his chat with Kadri Hamzat gave Fashola a lot of respect.

Like I said Fashola is family, but still wont prevent me from saying he is overhyped

Jimi is an APC sympathiser, so why wouldnt he suck up to Fashola. Fashola put standing beside Jakande, will be dwarfed.
Please give a list of Fashola legacies that Lagos State are satisfactorily and without reservations enjoying.