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Candour: Hi bro, would you mind if I offer to discuss your question and share some insight with you? Also I wouldn't want to usurp the position of the lead discussants or derail the thread so would you accept if we can schedule our discourse till after the presentation?

I'm a learner too and believe we could sharpen each other's spiritual knowledge and christian life.

@nannymcphee, sister, pls you're included in my offer to our brother

Cheers

Thanks for the invite, count me in

DrummaBoy: ON STEPPING ON SERPENTS, DRINKING POISON... EVEN HEALING EBOLA(!).

Let me say upfront that since you did not quote me, I cannot speak authoritatively on this. BabaG will do that very soon. I also trust that Candour will help but this is my little bit...

There is an incidence in Acts 27 where Paul was picking sticks and was stung by a viper. He did not die.

When I was young, I remember my Dad showing me the picture of a man in a newspaper torn to pieces in an Ibadan zoo. The man claimed he was Daniel. Entered the zoo and today he's history.

What's the difference between the two: faith and presumption. Satan told Jesus to jump from a height; Christ taught us from that incidence not to test God. Should Christians go around looking for snakes to step on, poison to drink or Ebola to heal? No. That will be presumptuous. If the Christian finds himself in that state, should he trust God for deliverance? Yes.

The recent statement by Pastor Itua Ighodalo on his Facebook page is an irresponsible one, to say the least. Its one of the shame that WOF continues to bring the body of Christ. Ighodalo, sometimes last week, went on Facebook to say that Christians need not fear Ebola. That John G. Lake was known to cure Ebola (he later corrected himself and called it the bobanic plague). So Christians can also cure Ebola. His statement drew widespread condemnation that led him to be making lame excuses lately.

Christians are not asked to go looking for Ebola o. But if they find themselves in trouble, God is able to save them. Two US doctors recently infested with the Ebola virus are Christians. On the break of the disease in West Africa, they joined a medical team from the US to come help helpless Africans. They were infested while treating the diseases. The two of them were flown to the US this week and are presently undergoing treatment. They are said to be responding to treatment. Ebola Drugs that had been manufactured and that have worked 100% on monkeys are being used on them and their health are improving. This is what BabaGnoni meant by medical miracles. If those drugs work, and they recover these two believing doctors would have helped the world discover the cure to Ebola. By laying down their lives, they are saving lives. 1 Jn 3:16

That is having a sense of responsibility as a Christian. Not sitting in your cozy AC office chatting up nonsense on Facebook about John G Lake whose ministry was characterized with scandals and lies till his death.

So, my sister, God can work miracles. But God has not called us to test him or walk presumptuously.

I understand all the above, it's also foolishness for a Christian to go stand in front of a Mack truck & claim to have power or try walking on water or to hold an electric wire but I know if he finds himself in that position maybe thru accident then God may or may not deliver him

But babaG said its not for 21st century Christians, that's the part I want to understand

BabaGnoni: but if you're referring to taking authority, stepping or trampling on snakes and scorpions etc (i.e. Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18),
well, then you're in for a shocker because those verses are not meant for or addressed to 21st Christians
shdemidemi this meat is too tough for some to chew, your comments on this is needed desperately here please

DrummaBoy: .......

pls i need clarification here, who was jesus referring to?

DrummaBoy: .

Thanks you have answered my question, thanks, as I earlier stated, I'm on page 4 so as I find things I don't understand, I'll seek clarification

BabaGnoni: Believe you me, I know you are Christian nannymcphee
I know you became one in 2003
Notice the quotes and italic when I said: Almost thou persuadest me you were a "Christian"

I didn't want to take you down a path you aren't ready or willing to go hence the Agrippa Macbeth english/pantomime remark

As for "can u notice any sarcasm in my posts or any impolite word or insult?"
Ah also those triple exclamations marks too, didn't help the matter much or at all
- It's difficult to know who is genuine and sincere when their sentences end with triple exclamations marks

As regards your:
I didn't read the link u provided cos its no news to me,
I'm aware of such break through,
what seems to confuse me was the fact that u didn't say anything about the scriptures I quoted

Firstly, when Jesus made that statement, he wasn't referring to medicine or science
but to Believers who will do greater works than he did

are u saying I'm wrong to have asked what Jesus meant by that verse?

I also asked if the gift of miracle, faith & healing can't produce such creative miracle, u didn't answer this also - nannymcphee

You didn't bother to open the link. Fine that's OK...
I am glad you "aware of such break through" shows that the prayers of the saints are being answered for these miracles to become the norm

There wasn't anything more to say or add to your scripture (i.e. John 14:12)
The bible like as with the "Tower of Babel" euphemism etc is littered with hyperbole, metaphors etc etc

Firstly, when Jesus made that statement, he wasn't referring to medicine or science, He was talking in general
and every thing is bound by rules with regulations or principles behind them
Limbs, reattaching limbs, growing limbs are no exception

Also your "believers who will do greater works than He did" pertains to works of the Spirit.

2000 years ago, that verse and Mark 21:22 were made, and limbs (e.g. ears and noses) have only been grown recently

You wouldn't find me saying you were "wrong to have asked what Jesus meant by that verse"
but there wasn't anything more to say or add to your scripture (i.e. John 14:12)
besides the fact, I already offered an explanation which you trampled upon or dismissed

If by asking "if the gift of miracle, faith & healing can't produce such creative miracle"
and if "creative miracle" to you means reattaching severed limbs, growing back limbs
well as previously mentioned:
It will come not from playing Jesus (i.e. not from claiming that, we are little gods, god class with a little ''g'' etc)
not from the pulpit, pastors or prophets nannymcphee
If one wants to see a sliced off ear or cut off leg put back on
then putting them and limbs back, recreating limbs etc will happen as miracles in the medical arenas
And it is already happening in the medical arenas but not yet in the pulpit

I sure and sincerely hope you aren't taking heed of mbaemeka or paying any attention to Image123
They will give you a false sense of security and make you feel everything is fine,
but it really isn't, there's a danger in the WoF teachings they have been indoctrinated with

Guard your purse and your heart
Your money is precious to you and more importantly your soul is precious to Abba Father.

Thanks for ur response, I have always thought that Jesus meant that the works of miracles, teachings etc he did, that believers will do even much more

I'll do a further study on this, I'm aware that God gives scientific breakthrough but that can be thru anybody believer or not, I thought that believers could replicate the miracles Jesus did coupled with the gifts of the Holy Spirit that I earlier mentioned. Do the thought that belivers cant is new to me. Well thanks, I study more

But could u pls explain those gifts & it's limitation & boundaries in terms of its actual meaning & application

DrummaBoy: @nannymcphee

I have just gone over your first question and noticed that BabaGnoni has supplied an answer. I endorse that answer.

The quote was actually not mine but a snippet from something I posted. Nonetheless, go through BabaGnoni answer and let me know if you have further questions.

I will work on the second question and post ASAP.

Thanks, I'll like ur input in all the questions I asked regardless of whether I quoted u or not

1. The first being on the issue of negative confession, I cited some quotes
2. The issue of no creative miracle being possible today excerpt thru science, I also cited scriptures
3. The issue of the cross

As for the Tower of Babel, I never knew it was not an actual event but a symbolic one, I took it literally so I'll study more & get back to u on that but I cited another scripture in proverbs that talks about " as a man thinkers so he is"

just try to read thru the post where I asked these questions

Thanks

trustman:

I don't want to believe that this thread is one sided!! I asked u some questions based on ur post & there is no answer from u instead you're opening ur teeth

you don't expect everybody to take what u say hook line & sinker?

I asked my questions back with scripture, if u won't answer me, kindly state it

BabaGnoni: ^^^

SMH.
Almost thou persuadest me you were a "Christian"

BabaGnoni: ^^^
SMH.
Almost thou persuadest me you were a "Christian"

Firstly I'm a Christian !!!!

Secondly, u're a proponent of the saying "be like the bereans" I have gone thru your thread & found certain things that seems to be against the scriptures I quoted, hence my seeking clarification

can u notice any sarcasm in my posts or any impolite word or insult?

I didnt read the link u provided cos its no news to me, I'm aware of such break through, what seems to confuse me was the fact that u didn't say anything about the scriptures I quoted

Firstly, when Jesus made that statement, he wasn't referring to medicine or science but to
Believers who will do greater works than he did

But u sir, said that no believer can grow limb or do other creative miracles excerpt thru science/medecine

are u saying I'm wrong to have asked what Jesus meant by that verse?

I also asked if the gift of miracle, faith & healing can't produce such creative miracle, u didn't answer this also

DrummaBoy: In the thread by Tgirl4real on God speaking to people I answered two questions you directed at me. You have not indicated whether you understood those answers, if your question were answered at all or to even recognize the fact that I took some effort to answer those questions.

Until I see you do this I would assume that the questions you ask are not meant to find light for your understanding but to cast a stumbling block on the discussion. Thus, like with Image123, I do not have the time for individual like that. Scripture records Pharisees and Sadducees asking Jesus questions to "catch him in his words". You will need to prove to me you have purer motives.

I'm sure somewhere in that thread u made reference to i said "wow, it's insightful" either way my intention is not to prove u wrong or right!! I want to know more

My tone & choice of words will prove the above, I'm still on page 4, the issues I have raised here are the ones that I find a scripture that seems not to support the post I quoted, hence my questions

While reading thru this thread, I prayed a prayer that God should help me unlearn the wrong things I have learnt

So drummaboy, thank you for taking out time to answer my questions.

BabaGnoni: Where are you?
- Don't answer back, it was a rhetorical question
These miracles in the medical arenas are already happening now.
Ears and noses are being regrown etc etc
- not reattached ear but new ear grown
Little by little, we will have full or more manifestations of the likes
It will come not from playing Jesus (i.e. not from claiming that, we are little gods, god class with a little ''g'' etc)
not from the pulpit, pastors or prophets nannymcphee.

2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2571335/Ears-noses-grown-lab-stem-cells-human-transplants-thanks-revolutionary-technique.html
2006 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-487039/Artist-implants-ear-arm.html

Pls I said explain in the light of the scriptures I quoted!!! Jesus said those that believe in him, the links u said did u see them attributing the breakthrough to Jesus

The promise was made to believers, those scientist aren't Christians

so pls explain again in the light of the scripture I quoted! You also left out the other scripture on the gifts of the Holy Spirit

DrummaBoy: The text above shows beyond doubt the the grace of God came to solve the question of sin and sin alone.

John 14:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised

pls can u explain ur quote in the light of the above scripture?

If thru sin death & all other evil entered into the world & u say sin has been taken care of, don't u think the effects & results of sin will also be taken care of in the life of those that has embraced the cross or the sacrifice?

BabaGnoni: Except Jesus is on Earth again, one won't see a sliced off ear or cut off leg put back on
Putting back limbs, recreating limbs etc will happen as miracles in the medical arenas

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Pls can you explain ur post again in the light of the above scriptures??


1corithians 12:8
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles....

So the man that has the above gifts cannot grow limbs or put back sliced ears ?

DrummaBoy: Indeed the Lord did say at the Tower of Babel in Gen. 11:6: “now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.” It wasn’t a good thing.

God looked down & made that statement, please where was it stated that it wasn't a good thing?

Proverbs 23:7
For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

from the Tower of Babel, it's evident that man can achieve what he has set out to do, that being said as Christians our trust shouldn't be on our abilities but on God abilities but it doesn't mean I should deny those abilities

when I take drugs I look up to God to do the healing & not necessarily the drugs, meaning I don't put my trust on doctors but look up to God does that mean I should deny the potency of the drugs or the skill of the doctor

trustman: The generally held view of the movement is that the spoken word correctly expressed (positively expressed) releases power to actualize whatever reality one wants. This is where the title " Positive Confession" is also often put on this movement.

On the other hand WoF advocates claim that speaking 'negative' words or "negative confession" attracts negative consequences into such a person's life. The Biblical reference used in support of this position is the case of Job where he stated that what he feared had happened to him.

Pls are u of the opinion that the bible doesn't teach consequences to negative confessions & words? Kindly explain bearing these scriptures in mind

proverbs 6:2
Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.

Proverbs15:4
A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit

Proverbs18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Proverbs 18:7
A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul

James3:4-5
Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!

James 1:26
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

1peter3:10
For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

Tgirl4real: I left this part out. If you pray in the Spirit (according to scriptures), worship in the Spirit (according to Scriptures), walk in the Spirit (walking in love), living in the Spirit ( living by faith), then you will have know problem knowing what to say when you ought.

"The gifts of the Spirit are as the Spirit wills and are given for the common good" and not for individual edification. Any gift that is for personal edification is selfish and does not profit anyone.

So pls how do u pray in the spirit according to scriptures?

How to do also worship in the spirit according to scriptures ?

DrummaBoy: .

Tgirl4real: .

Wow!! Insightful

I got born agin in 2003, tried all I could to hear that "voice" after much ado, I gave up

Personally I strongly believe in doing what the word instructs, anything outside that I take my hands off regardless of whether it works/produces result or not reason being if u are drifting away there will be nothing to guide u

but I believe there are people who hear or know things from God maybe thru word of knowledge etc there are times ministers want to pray & they are able to know what to say or do at that point in time at the leading of Gods spirit, I personally haven't really had such encounters so I settle for what I have which is Gods word!!

Pls how do u explain those deliverance minister who are able to see/know what happened in the past that's causing the deliveree's present circumstance?? It could be as simple as revealing that the person was dedicated to an idol by their grandparent stuffs like that?

Thanks

Tgirl4real: .

DrummaBoy: .

If u say God doesn't speak outside his word, can u answer the following

1. If he Christian is about to board a plane that has been earmarked to crash, how will God speak to him thru his word

2. If I have a choice between two sisters for marriage, how do I chose using his word assuming they both pass the requirement of being believers, peaceful, committed in church etc

3. How does God speak to me thru his word on the investment to make

the bible doesn't have clear direct instructions for certain events in life, school to go to, course to read, city to move to

So how do find instruction from the bible when it doesn't talk about these things

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Any new update?

Pls I want to buy a C class 2001 model, what are the common problems associated with this model?

how available are its parts & how costly are they?

Pls how much will it cost to clear the following

Camry 1999
Camry 2000
Camry. 2002
Benz C class 2001

Thanks

Kei144: This topic was posted on an American forum:

Christians are not made in a laboratory, but in a community called the church, Pope Francis said.

At his weekly general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis continued his series of audience talks about the church, telling an estimated 33,000 people that there is no such thing as "do-it-yourself" Christians or "free agents" when it comes to faith.

...

Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church."

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2586360/pg1

I will post some of the replies.

You have started again!!! Where is ur apocalyptic end time thread

Your heading is misleading & besides the source is not a reliable source, since it was a weekly broadcast have u checked the Vatican source to see if that's what he said

Mind you I'm not Roman Catholic & you're taking what he said out of context

How can someone claim to have a personal & direct relationship with Jesus Christ & not have anything to do with the church(which is the body of the same Jesus) is that relationship complete?

What is the true definition of church? Is it the building or a makeup of fellow believers?

how then can u live a Christian life in isolation? Did ur apostles in the bible live the Christian life that way?

Jesus asked us to break bread or have communion in his remembrance, how then can u say u have a relationship with Jesus without breaking of bread(catholic calls it communion)

If u want to take the other definition of communion which is fellowship, can u have fellowship with Jesus & not have with his followers ?

Baby mama: That is the dicey part
She doesn't want to appear not to trust him,that won't be good if he is genuine
Let her trust him and hope he is doing right by her
She has seen this guy face to face I hope

Yes they have seen, he has come like 4 times in a space of 2yrs

Baby mama: Yes she can monitor it herself
Smart move!
There is something called an MSC number that accompanies any form you file with the immigration services ( USCIS)
Once you go to the USCIS page online there is a button where you can check the "status of your case" by entering that MSC number
She can find out what stage the case is at.

Yes there is something called a fiancée visa
From the little you have said,it looks like this young man is making the right moves
A fiancée visa usually takes less than a year

Let her use people search and get some other info on the guy and also ask her relatives in the USA preferably those in his area to make some enquiries and give her some feedback.
Most importantly,she should trust God and her instincts
If it doesn't feel right,back off

Thanks, meaning she has to ask the guy for the MSC number, hmmmm that might be challenging

Some guy might give this line " why do u need the number or why do u need to monitor it urself? Don't u trust me"

Thanks sha, I'm just being careful cos I don't want to sow doubts in her heart but I can't help it cos of all the abroad stories, I'm from Benin, if u know what I mean

Baby mama: Thanks
We are back in business!

@baby mama

Pls a friend of mine is dating someone in the states & they are planning their wedding for October

I have told her to shine her eyes I can't just help it, I have seen & heard of so many cases gone wrong

He says he will get his citizenship in August & he will file for her now as a fiancé (i dont get this part)

he told her worst case scenario after the wedding, maximum middle of next year she will be with him over there

My questions are

1. What kind of questions should someone in her position ask to ascertain that she isn't being played or delayed unnecessary

2. Is it possible to monitor the process herself ie is it possible for her to verify that the guy has filed for her either as a fiancé or husband?

Thanks

phantom: hazard allowance us 5000 naira across board.is it not laughable? with risk of contaminating HIV, hep c, hep B,getting sterile from x rays and so on.

They said for doctors only, why exclude others like the radiographer & med lab scientist? Who is more exposed to the hazards?


In what country do u increase a fee from 5000 to 100,000?


Pls tell me what will be the function if surgeon general of the federation?

What business does health has to do with politics?

at the realm of certain affairs, ur discipline doesn't really count, all that matters is are u a good administrator?

States & countries are being run by individuals from various academic disciplines, so what counts is if you are a good administrator?

Pls what will be the function of surgeon general ?

What is the current hazard allowance of doctors per month?

Why don't they want the medical lab science council to import in-Vito diagnostics?

Here is the link

http://www.medicalworldnigeria.com/2014/06/nigerian-medical-association-nma-open-letter-to-the-secretary-to-the-government-of-the-federation-on-facing-the-challenges-in-the-health-sector#.U7EIRWS9Kc0

Here are there demands


1. The post of Deputy Chairman Medical Advisory Committee (DCMAC) has been circularized and operational. Rather than abolish it, the NMA hereby demands that four (4) DCMACs for teaching hospitals and three (3) for the Federal Medical Centres be appointed forthwith to assist the CMACs whose statutory responsibilities are too heavy for any single individual to handle. Directors in other government agencies are supported by several Deputy Directors, why not the CMAC who is also a Director? Such a DCMAC must have same qualifications as the CMAC. www.medicalworldnigeria.com

2. The NMA is opposed to the appointment of Directors in the Hospitals. This Position distorts the chain of command in the hospital, induces anarchy and exposes the patient to conflicting treatment and management directives with attendant negative consequences.

3. The NMA demands that grade level 12 (CONMESS 2) in the health sector MUST be SKIPPED for medical doctors. Consequently no medical/dental practitioners should be on that grade level anymore.

4. The title “CONSULTANT” in a hospital setting describes the relationship between the Specialist Medical Doctor and his patient. It will be a source of confusion if the title is applied to any other health worker who statutorily does not own patient. NMA therefore declares with unmitigated emphasis that if “non-doctor consultants” are appointed, it will lead to chaos and anarchy in the health sector. This should not happen.

5. Relativity in health sector is sacrosanct. The NMA hereby demands for immediate implementation of the January 3rd, 2014 circular. The NMA also demands the immediate payment of the arrears of the corrected relativity for 22 years during which her members were short changed.

Much as we are not against salary increase for any category of workers, either in health or elsewhere, the NMA demands for immediate adjustment of the doctors’ salary to maintain the relativity as agreed and documented once CONHESS is adjusted.

6. That Government should expedite the passage of the National Health Bill (NHB), and extend Universal Health Coverage to cover 100% of Nigerians and not 30% as currently prescribed by National Health Insurance Scheme (NHIS).

7. Surgeon General of the Federation MUST be appointed with immediate effect.

8. The entry point of the House Officer should be corrected to CONMESS 1 step 4 as originally contained in MSS/MSSS while the Registrar/Medical Officer is moved to CONMESS 3 step 3.

9. Clinical duty allowance for Honorary Consultants should be increased by 90% of CONMESS

10. Adjust the specialist allowance as contained in the 2009 collective bargaining agreement. Additionally, ALL doctors on CONMESS 3 and above MUST be paid specialist allowance or its equivalent that is not less than 50% higher than what is paid to other health workers.

11. Hazard allowance MUST be at least N100, 000 per month for Medical Doctors.

12. Immediate release of the circular on rural posting, teaching and other allowances which MUST include house officers.

13. Immediate withdrawal of the CBN circular authorizing the Medical Laboratory Science Council of Nigeria (MLSCN) to approve licenses for the importation of In-Vitro Diagnostics (IVDs). www.medicalworldnigeria.com

14. Immediate Release of Circular on retirement age for Medical Doctors as agreed with the Federal Government (FG)
15. The Federal Government through the Federal Ministry of Health should formalise and implement the report of the interagency committee on residency training as well as release the uniform template on appointment of Resident Doctors in line with earlier agreements. Moreover, a concrete Funding framework for residency training must be established. The Overseas clinical attachment must be fully restored and properly funded in the interest of the nation.
16. That in the interest of harmony in Federal Medical Centre, Owerri the government should pay the salaries of our members in the centre as agreed on 21st October, 2013.
17. Immediate concrete steps must be put in place for the reintegration of our members back into the IPPIS platform.
18. All attempts to coerce house officers not to join NARD must stop.
19. The orchestrated intimidation, harassment and physical assault of our members in departments of Pathology (Laboratory Medicine) by Laboratory Scientists which is being tolerated by the Federal Ministry of Health (FMOH) must stop.
20. The Endless circle of incomplete salary payment to our members in many hospitals in the name of shortfalls in personnel cost must stop.
21. Universal applicability of all establishment circulars on the remuneration and conditions of service for doctors at all levels of Government must be guaranteed.
22. Government should as a matter of urgency set up a health trust fund that will enhance the upgrading of all hospitals in Nigeria.
23. The position of Chief Medical Director/Medical Director must continue to be occupied by a Medical Doctor as contained in the Act establishing the tertiary Hospitals. This position remains sacrosanct and untouchable.
WHY DID THEY NOT ASK THAT THE POST OF VICE CHANCELLOR BE OPEN TO EVERYONE IN THE UNIVERSITY SINCE ASUU AND SANU ARE MADE UP OF GRADUATES

CAN YOU BE A JUDGE OF THE HIGH COURT OR COURT OF APPEAL IF YOU ARE NOT A LAWYER?

WHY DO THEY THINK THE HOSPITALS WHERE LIVES ARE SAVED EVERYDAY SHOULD SACRIFICE THE ESTABLISHED LEADERSHIP I.E. CHIEF MEDICAL DIRECTOR?

24. The NMA henceforth shall not accept the continued violation of any of the terms of the 2009 Collective Bargaining Agreement. This is exemplified by the payment of Medical Physicists and Optometrists with OD (who are on CONHESS) call duty allowance using the CONMESS Circular. Similarly, the phrase “Ministries, Departments and Agencies” (MDA) in the said agreement should replace “Federal Ministry of Health and other Federal Health Institutions” as contained in the 2009 CONMESS Circular. www.medicalworldnigeria.com

One thing abt their products is that u use them in combinations, so maybe u should give it a trial, they are pretty expensive too

Immatex: As an Engineer, am so used to having a back-up plan that I dont see myself cancelling or postponding my wedding if there happens to be good reasons to cancel the first engagement. Kindly switch to 'plan B'. I will always have a substitute fiancee who will be duely informed and arrangements fasttrecked even if its on that wedding day and the occasion will still hold with little or no noticiable change.
THIS A JOKE OOOOH.
But on a serious note, having a 'plan B or a back-up plan' is important, just in-case.

I will take u up on ur serious note, pls how do u build ur future with two people at
The same time?? before u can talk abt engagement with a lady, u must have gotten very serious with her, how then will u be able to have that same seriousness with someone else(the plan B). It beats me

I'm currently in a relationship & there are certain things I share cos of our level of seriousness & I can't imagine myself sharing and planning the same with some one else.

what if your plan B has a plan B too, meaning the relationship is already built on deceit

I made my stand clear to my partner that deceit & outright cheating or building something emotional with someone else is automatic nullification of our relationship

Patty & soul_glo, pls kindly take ur rivalry elsewhere lest you derail this thread.

The OP opened this thread cos he
Needs a way out.

Thanks