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MrPristine:
How does abraham tithing translate to christians should tithe should we also be sleeping with our house maids because abraham did so?

So as Christians we should all get Crucified like Jesus and Apostle Peter?

Christians DO MORE than tithe, they give ALL. Can you?

"Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." - Act 4:34-35

Todays Christians dont TITHE, dont give to the POOR, dont give ALL. You call it grace (New Testament). Ride on.

OP, I am not a JW but I understand why you feel so for your Mum.

You see, service in Church is meant to be to God. Sometimes we get carried away and it starts being unto man. To get recognition and praise. So when man fails, it looks like "They did this to me after ALL I have done for THEM?".
But you were not supposed to do it for them in the FIRST PLACE it should be TO GOD. That is why it hurts. You feel betrayed but God doesnt think so.

Apostle Peter spoke about such times (IN BOLD):
"Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:" - 1 Peter 2:18-21

Jesus is our example. He came to die for man so he said "Forgive them, for they know not what they do".
He could have said, look at these people I came to die for. Look how they are treating me.

Finally NO ONE is perfect. If anyone was, God will take them just like Prophet Enoch in Genesis. So as long as people are on earth, they still have a bad habit or 2 including Popular Men of God.

DO NOT misquote me, kindly read my POSTS properly, I emphasize that:

1) Tithing is NOT old testament as some claim cos Abraham was NOT a JEW.
2) Tithing or anything in the bible is not by force. It is a choice. Right from Genesis through OLD and NEW testament, God never forced anyone to do anything. The JEWS were NOT forced to tithe as some of you keep emphasizing. We all have FREE WILL.
3) Abraham's tithing was NOT by force. Even the Israelites were NOT FORCED to tithe. Being Born-Again IS NOT BY FORCE. We are FREE SPIRITS.

FINALLY those saying tithe does NOT involve money: Read Deut 14:22-27 (especially verse 25), Mat 23:23.
"Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:" - Deut 14:25

Please do NOT add or remove or deduce falsely from my statements.
If your Pastor forced you to tithe, that is NOT my problem but TITHING is GOOD and so is GIVING TO THE POOR as well as GIVING ALL and so is FIRST FRUIT and so is STAYING UNMARRIED!

MzansiBeat:
NumberOne2,
Why do you create a new doctrine? Just because you love money perhaps? Remember this, "the love of money is the root of all evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs". I see you are desperate to promote your false teaching on tithing and in the process you have created your own doctrine on love. Shame on you! I pity your church members (if some still remain)who fail to study the bible on their own. This is some of the poison you feed them. May God enlighten you.

What is this? I am dissapointed at your comments. Because I talk of tithe I love money. Do you HATE money?
I am NOT a Pastor nor do I speak for any Church. I am NOT defending churches. These things are in your Bible.
Your emotions on this matter only shows me that perhaps you or someone close to you has been defrauded by a Pastor. Dont take it out on me.

Look, I don't intend to argue with anyone.
- If you want tithe, do so. If not, leave it.
- If you want to give to the poor, do so. If not, leave it.
- If you want to give ALL like early disciples, do so. If not, leave it.
- If you DONT want to marry like Jesus or Paul or like Catholic Priests, do so. If not leave it.

I assume we all have the Holy Spirit to guide us, but please DO NOT say tithing is OLD testament.
It is a false doctrine. Tithing started in Genesis before the LAW. Abraham was NOT a JEW.

MzansiBeat:
Abraham also had: slaves, bore a child through her servant, performed sacrifices etc - therefore you must practice this as well to ensure consistency so that your point may have credibility. You can not pick and chose as you like.


2- The book of Galatians3:7, 9 made it clear that we are Abraham's seeds and we are blessed along with Abraham. If Abraham our father in the faith tithed, [s]then we his seeds should also tithe because his actions&life of faith was part of the reasons why righteousness was credited unto him.[/s] Permit me to say that he was the first man even under the old covenant that experienced the benefits of the life that Chrsit brought for us. Moses wasn't called the father of faith because he didn't have the kind of faith (faith that brings righteousness without works but by grace) that we have but Abraham did.

Your statement doesnt make sense.
Jesus died on the Cross. Even some Apostles were crucified upside down. So lets all get hanged right?

brocab:
You can argue as much as you want? But the word of God will ripped you down fully. If you believe in tithing then tithe, who cares, it's between you and the Lord., We non tithers have been showing the truth, and what you say won't change the truth in us.. So I advise you to seek the Lord yourself, and find what truth is...Quote>You say Love the Lord, paying your tithes, Is this the way, you believe you should pay to receive love-instead of loving the Lord as He is.
If Love was base on given in cash, then my wife, would surely love me 10% more every week of my earnings?
Jesus don't love you because of cash , He loves you because you are you.

Your statements are too sentimental for me to reply properly.
I have made reference to several scriptures but you have none except emotional outburst.

"For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." - John 3:16
Proof of love is in giving. You love God, where is your proof?
You love your wife so you give to her. Just keep telling her about love and not doing anything and see how long that marriage will last. Love talk is cheap.

You cannot marry for purpose. It doesnt make sense. What purpose?
Here is the meaning of purpose from Google: the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists

So to say marry for purpose means "to marry for the reason for which something is done". Does that make English sense.
Its like saying I am eating because I am eating?

Nothing stops anyone from tithing and giving to the poor but DO NOT take the tithe and give to the poor. That is wrong.

This is the embodyment of Christ teaching:
LOVE THE LORD: Paying your tithes.
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR: Give to the needy or poor.
All the above should be done in LOVE else dont bother. God doesnt need your money anyway.

I know the reason for most of those against tithes is the perceived "mismanagement" of funds by Churches. It is not for you to judge. God is NOT blind. Read the story of the sons of Eli and how they misbehaved as High Preists. It did not stop the Israelites from coming to the temple.

zodiakzax:
I think you should read the previous posts well before you comment. Tithing came before the Law, so? Now we under a new covenant it's better we start enjoying all the wonderful things that we have in Christ. The greatest giving we can ever do is giving to the poor.. stay blessed!

The post you refers to talks of giving in love. If tithing, tithe in love or dont bother. It doesnt say NOT to tithe.

OK, the NEW convenant talks of going beyond 10% to giving ALL.
The early Christians sold all they had and brought to the Apostles feet to be shared by the brethren. Can you do that? Also NOTE that the ALL was not given to the poor.

"And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." - Acts 2:45-47

So you are neither for TITHING or for GIVING ALL. Where do you stand?

To all those saying tithing is for the Jews, was Abraham a Jew?
Abrahams blessings are yours but Abrahams tithing is for the Jews. You are like the Pharisees Jesus was talking about.

Ok some say Jesus or the Apostles didnt mention it. Must they mention everything?
This is why some say smoking is not in the bible so it is good.
Some say masturbation is good because it is not in the bible. Keep decieving yourselves.

If you want to pay tithe, pay if not don't. Let the fact be know, tithing came BEFORE the OLD testament. It is NOT only for Jews.

OP here is a correction:

Tithing is NOT from the OLD testament, it existed BEFORE the OLD testament and it existed before the JEWS. Abraham was the first to tithe. He was NOT a JEW.

Lovely post OP. Couldn't be more true.

bingbagbo:
JOHN 14 :8-9



Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THIS VERSE?

What is this?!!!
If I say, if you have seen me you have seen my wife, does that mean I am my wife?

If an Ambassador is sent to represent a Country at a gathering, dont you know that when he/she speaks it is as though the President has spoken. The Ambassador will be given all honour due the President. Now does that make the Ambassador the President?

Are you married? Cos I can assure you that Purpose is NOT the key.

Addietunes:
The verse i'm about to show you is a very common verse in the bible, but only a free thinker can sense the error in it. So I urge you to please clear your mind before reading and focus on the words.


Here is the verse:

Acts 1:8King James Version (KJV)

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Now according to this verse, Jesus was talking to his disciples to preach the gospel throughout the earth, but if u checked the sentence very well he said "unto the uttermost part of the earth". That word "uttermost" or in other versions "ends" refers to a location. From those words I believe Jesus was trying to let us know that the earth has an end (not end as in the destruction of the world but as a location). I also believe that for something to have an end it has to have an edge. So Jesus is trying to tell us that the earth has an edge, but the earth as we know it has no end because it is spherical in shape ( a great discovery of science by the way). So according to that verse, Jesus is claiming that the earth is flat. Now I ask how can Jesus the son of God claim that the earth his father (which is himself according to some bible verses) created was flat. This simply means that, the verse was not spoken by a God but by man, because during the dark ages, people believed the earth was flat in nature. Hence Jesus Christ is a myth.

I wonder what our bible scholars have to say about that.

Google meaning of uttermost - Another word for utmost.
Google meaning of utmost - most extreme; greatest.
Hope that helps you?

Here is a question for you. If the Earth is round, how come it is flat on a printed MAP?

ROSSIKE:
You are a christian ONLY because you were born in southern Nigeria. If you had been born in northern Nigeria or Chad you'd be a muslim. If you were born in India you would be a Hinduist. If you were born in China you would be a Buddhist or Taoist. If you were born in Pakistan you'd be a muslim. If you were born in Japan you'd be a Shintoist. If you were born in Saudi Arabia you'd be a sunni muslim. If you were born in Israel you'd be a Judaist. Therefore your religion is determined not by your level of righteousness, but by Geography.

Discuss.


Map showing world distribution of religion as determined by geography.

[img]http://www.worldreligions.psu.edu/images/artimages/maps/worldmapsmall.jpg[/img]

How naive OP. Have you ever heard of diversity? I guess you are black because you live in Africa?
So explain Afro-Americans or White South Africans. What of places like Jamaica, Haiti or Australia?

arshavineering:
with the high rate and level of unemployment, is it good for a born again spirit filled Christian to work in any of the following industries??
a. Alcohol/ Beer industry
b. Cigarette industry
c. Condom industry
d. Guest house/ Hotel

If you are spirit filled, why not ask the Holy Spirit?

Its not a sin. Its a blessing in disguise. Infact, it is one of the many "shortcuts" to Heaven. Smoke more, die faster, go to Heaven sooner.

"Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." - James 4:3

If Mayweather Jnr. prayed and Pacquiao prayed who will God answer?
If Nigeria plays France in footbal & Christians in both countries prayed so who will God answer?
If Christians prayed for Change (Buhari) and some other prayed for Transformation (GEJ) who will God answer?

PS: That man went home with $100 million after loosing.

netsurf:
How best to handle a stubborn wife...when I say stubborn, I mean very stubborn...she doesn't listen nor take any advice or order from her husband...doesn't respect the man's opinion about anything...

On the few occasions, when she accepts she was wrong, she also want to be the judge in her own case. If the husband airs his opinion about any subject, she would insist she consult google for her to believe. It's no exaggeration...this is how exactly she behaves.

Please note that she was the epitome of an humble woman before the wedding but as soon as the wedding bell rang, she became another thing entirely.

Please anyone with good idea on how to handle such women before divorce option?

I have learnt to judge any matter by first hearing the opinion of both sides. We will like to hear your wife's story.
Here is my advice:
I am sure there is a senior/elderly person in your family or hers or a Pastor which you both respect. Go and seek advice from such. NL cannot help you.

Stancity:
Peugeot 404 was "the car" of the early 70s except you owned a Mercedes Benz 280s. By late 70s Peugeot 504 GL or L was already the in thing and 404 was naturally relegated to "nuturu m, nuturu m". The early 80s saw the emergence of 504 GR, and the 2000 version with a/c (ntu oyi) before 505 was rolled out in the late 80s. And that began the decline of Peugeot cars in Naija.

This car needs to be resurrected and a close look at it indicates that it carries more swag when compared to the recently trending VW BEETLES..

This car is a classic. Saw a neat one with AC in Abuja. If not for traffic, I would have gone to greet the driver.

EvilBrain1:
It is completely wrong to say atheists don't have a standard, of course we have a standard.

Our standard is reality, and its better than any stupíd magic book. Anything that does not agree with reality as demonstrated by observation and experiment (or when those are not obtainable, by logical deduction) is bullshít. Christianity and Islam are bullshít.

Hmmm, Experimentation, Observation are some of the foundations of Science. You are a scientist. You are far from being an Atheist. There is NO reality in Atheism.

How are you sure the perceived realities have not been modified?
Example, the movie MATRIX. They were all living their lives until they took the RED pill and saw reality.

So how can you rely on your eyes to show reality?
Example, some folks are colour blind and see RED as GREEN. So is it really GREEN or RED?

To a true Atheist, nothing is certain, even perceived realities.

flexybobo:
someone contributes money to build a church like this, but this is where he lives happily

I couldnt help laughing at the visual depiction. Those around me had to wonder why I was laughing so hard.
Its true that a lot of Christians fall into this category but its their fault. If only we study our bibles, Christians would make the World a beautiful place.

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:" - Hosea 4:6

The only way is to know your scripture. SOme of them are failed Pastors or Imams so they probably know more than you and are ready to twist scripture in their favour. These are common on NL. Avoid such as they are bigots. They are NOT so smart but are usually blinded with anger.

Even Apostle Paul spoke about this type:

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." - Hebrew 6:4-6

Some more mature Atheists repect other religions knowing that they dont know any better. I have met some real Atheist. They are nice people and even seek some kind of spiritual experience. They are a rare breed.

omasco92:
Is it a sin for a true christian to have a girl friend with out sexual immorality e.g hugging, kissing, holding part of her body, sex.

Please i need answers from bible.

There is NO point re-inventing the wheel. There are several Christian articles on this. I like this article because it has a lot of scriptural refs.

God wants the best for us in every area of our lives. This includes relationships with boyfriends or girlfriends. The Bible gives us some very clear principles to guide us in making decisions about dating.

1. Guard your heart.
The Bible tells us to be very careful about giving our affections, because our heart influences everything else in our life.
Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life (Proverbs 4:23).

2. You are known by the company you keep.
We also tend to become like the company we keep. This principle is closely related to the first one and is just as important in friendships as in dating.
Do not be misled: Bad company corrupts good character (1 Corinthians 15:33).

3. Christians should only date other Christians.
Although it is fine for Christians to have non-Christian friends, those who are especially close to our heart should be mature believers who are seeking to follow Christ with their lives.
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14).

4. Is it really love?
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 defines real love. Ask yourself these questions:
- Are you patient with each other?
- Are you kind to each other?
- Are you never envious of each other?
- Do you never boast to or about each other?
- Is your relationship characterized by humility?
- Are you never rude to each other?
- Are you not self-seeking?
- Are you not easily angered with each other?
- Do you keep no record of wrongs?
- Are you truthful with each other?
- Do you protect each other?
- Do you trust each other?
If you answered “yes” to the above questions, then 1 Corinthians 13 says that you truly have a loving relationship. If you answered “no” to any of the above questions, then maybe you should discuss those issues with your boyfriend or girlfriend.


= How far is too far? =
Many students ask the question, “How far should I go on a date?” Here are some principles that will help you decide what is appropriate behavior on a date.

1. Does the situation I put myself in invite sexual immorality or help me avoid it?
1 Corinthians 6:18 says to "flee from sexual immorality." We cannot do this if we are tempting ourselves through carelessness.

2. What kind of reputation does my potential date have?
When you accept a date you are essentially saying, “My values are the same as your values.” That in itself can put you in a position you may regret later. Remember 1 Corinthians 15:33, "Bad company corrupts good character."

3. Will there be any pressure to use alcohol or drugs?
Don't give up your values for a date.

4. Am I attracting the wrong type of person?
Make sure that the message you send with your actions doesn't attract people who will lead you to compromise your values.

5. Am I aware that sin is first committed in the heart?
Matthew 5:28 says, "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

6. Are you going to the right kind of place for a date?
Many good intentions have been forgotten because the temptation and opportunity were too great.

7. Am I doing anything to encourage sexual desire?
Don't engage in any impure contact that is sexually motivated, such as petting.


= If you have already gone too far, why stop? =
1. God is forgiving.
1 John 1:9 tells us that God is faithful and just to forgive our sins if we confess them. You can start fresh with God anytime you want to.

2. God is holy.
His word tells us that sexual sin is wrong, and He knows what is best.

3. God is caring.
God knows that going too far before marriage tends to break up couples and leads to less happy marriages. He knows that most guys do not want to marry a girl who has been intimate with someone else

Source: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-dml/dml-y006.html

Weah96:
There is no penalty for doing nothing at this your crossroad. The roads don't have signs. Where are those people going?

Ask yourself, why are you staying there?

Empiree:
rubbish!

@underlined must be understood in the light of the "twelve tribes" of Israel. Not the whole world. If you disagree, then there is contradiction between both verses(Mark 16:15 and Matthew 15:24). So which one you want to choose?. If you choose both, it means Bible contradicts itself. If you choose Matthew 15:24, it means Jesus and his message have nothing to do with you.

Yes

Are you still asking the same question again?
It is NOT a contradiction. If you read my post which you labelled "rubbish", you will see that the woman was from Canaan (a Gentile).
Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of Israel, but he still healed the woman's daughter.

Mr "Quote scriptures out of context". Since its your specialty, let me give you one:

"And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him." - Genesis 4:8
"Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise." - Luke 10:37b

Conclusion:
Jesus said we should kill our brothers. Now lets debate this. "classic rubbish".

This topic has been exhausted severally. Check here:
https://www.nairaland.com/2278255/please-satisfy-curiosity-tithing-fervent

tola9ja:
that means the law is applicable to Israelite if yes this is also applicable to Israelite




Matthew 15:24Amplified Bible (AMP)

24 He answered, I was sent[size=18pt] only[/size] to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


are you a Israelite?

Sure, its always easy to quote half scriptures and blow out of context.

The rest of that passage you quoted is as follows"

"Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour." - Matthew 15:25-28


Finally here is one for you to ponder, Jesus also said:

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." - Mark 16:15-16

The letters BOLDED above, is the ONLY the lost house of Israel?

Weah96:
LOL. Why is the man stranded? Where are the people going? Your analogy is lacking information.

Remember only one road at the junction potentially leads to the ultimate objective. Or none. Why is it a crime to advise the idiots going in all directions to consider their judgment.

Ahh, thanks for confirming my point of BIGOT minded Atheists (refering to your comments in BOLD).
What made the other folks moving idiots and you the wise one?

Finally, my analogy is sound. Mankind is stranded, even science seeks answers of higher beings in outer space.
If you aren't stranded, then where did you come from and where are you going?

plaetton:
Speaking for myself, I do not attack religion, any religion at all.

Maybe you dont (I cant confirm this) but as you can see from the self claimed "wise one" who I replied above that you guys attack other religions. The very thin line between critics and bigots is often crossed without realizing.

By the way, nice write up but its hard to agree with the rest of your post when the FIRST line is so flawed.

Please if you want to Masturbate, do so. Enjoy it as much as you can but don't look for scriptures to justify it.
The bible didnt mention smoking so lets all bring cigarettes and weed to church and smoke.

After Masturbation how do you feel? Do you thank God for the wonderful opportunity to indulge in it? We all have a conscience.

"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. " - James 1:14-15

A TRUE Atheist respects other people religious beliefs because he/her does not know any real religion.
It baffles me when a self proclaimed NL Atheist (most likely a BIGOT) attacks other religions.
You believe NOTHING yet you deem it fit to question what others believe.

Its like a man stranded at a cross road. He doesnt know to go North, East, West or South but he knows that those going in either direction is headed for destruction. He provides NO answers but believe other proposals are flaud. So who made you the judge?