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@Yemi15

obailala:
Dangote will not sell petrol less than N200. When his refinery comes fully on stream, and when Nigeria starts producing enough to meet local demand, the govt will totally halt the importation of petroleum products, and then fully deregulate the downstream sector, thereby giving Dangote and his tiny competitors (i.e. owners of the other tiny modular refineries) full monopoly. When thay time comes, Dangote will sell petrol for not less than N200, and Nigerians will have zero choice but to buy it like that. This isn't just an empty prophecy, its a logic based prediction.

At the end though, the stoppage of fuel imports would give Nigeria's economy a turnaround; that's the only bright side, which of course is really bright.

The above is exactly what I said, I simply gave a prediction of what will happen when Dangote refinery comes on stream - Nigeria will stop importing fuel, Dangote will enjoy a major monopolistic power and he will set pump prices far above what anyone thinks (over N200)...

I also conclude by saying, the only bright side of the situation though would be that since Nigeria will stop importing fuel, there would be a positive impact on the economy.

...and then you responded with the following insulting comment.

yemi15:
And you forgot make the people poorer without commensurate salary increases. So we can get an unassailable lead as the poverty capital of the world. Well done. See how I punched holes in that your stupid logic.

So I ask you once again, for the sake of decency, what exactly is stupid in what I said above to warrant such a response from you?... What exactly is the point I made which you claim to have punctured?

yemi15:
I am not going to dignify your childish tantrums with an answer. Once again, you need your brain examined and fast too.

I didnt expect anything more from you. When people have nothing to say, they switch to insults and when you ask them to rationalise their position, it's obviously impossible for them to do that because they have nothing upstairs but insults.

yemi15:
Lol. I punched holes in his logic. He has resorted to insults SMH. You need your brain examined and fast too.

You did not evrn have a clue what I was talking about, yet you think you punched holes? Punched holes in what exactly?... Did I tell you I was arguing with anyone?... Meanwhile, the last time I checked, you were the one who introduced filthy language ("stupid logic" to describe a comment without even having the simple decency to first understand what I was talking about.

Okay a simple challenge is open to you, kindly explain what you understood I was talking about?...

No thanks to social media and the proliferation of internet sevices all over Nigeria. That explains why a person (probably even a child) would just come online insulting people he doesnt know, and thinking it makes him look smart.

yemi15:
And you forgot make the people poorer without commensurate salary increases. So we can get an unassailable lead as the poverty capital of the world. Well done. See how I punched holes in that your stupid logic.

You're obviously not as smart as you think you are. That's the reason you instantly misunderstood the point I was trying to make, and instead of asking for a clarification (as normal people do), you jumped instantly to unleash insults (which is the typical approach of dull people trying to look smart).

eyeview:
This is why am disappointed when ignorant people mouth that the coming on stream of Dangote refinery will bring down the cost of pms. He is a shrewd and exploitative business man, it may even sell higher than 145. The cement sector that was almost handed to him, how far? Instead we now have cement from N850 to N2300 per bag.
The secret is to completely deregulate these sectors to allow multiple competition, including imported ones. No advantage to any.
Imagine dangote locally refining but already saying he will sell at export price

Dangote will not sell petrol less than N200. When his refinery comes fully on stream, and when Nigeria starts producing enough to meet local demand, the govt will totally halt the importation of petroleum products, and then fully deregulate the downstream sector, thereby giving Dangote and his tiny competitors (i.e. owners of the other tiny modular refineries) full monopoly. When thay time comes, Dangote will sell petrol for not less than N200, and Nigerians will have zero choice but to buy it like that. This isn't just an empty prophecy, its a logic based prediction.

At the end though, the stoppage of fuel imports would give Nigeria's economy a turnaround; that's the only bright side, which of course is really bright.

GMPO:
why rush down to quote me when you have nothing reasonable to say.you could have just say your usual slogan said BABA and move on.Just one question for you IF GOOD LUCK PERFORMANCE WAS THIS BAD WILL YOU HAVE SUPPORTED HIM?

Oga focus, focus focus!... I did not say I was supporting anybody and neither is that the discussion here. I didnt mention buhari and neither did anyone mention jonathan or atiku.

The simple question I asked was, based on the topic of discussion, how did you arrive at your weird conclusion that Nairaland management were supporting APC?.... From your comment, you sounded either angry or frustrated at the MoDs, accusing them of being sympathetic to APC; you even went ahead to ascribe it to tribe. How exactly did you arrive at that conclusion based on the topic and discussions on this thread?

toplinetrtrend:
Atiku is a Nigerian. His village was formerly in Cameroon but has become part of Nigeria since 1961 after Nigeria's independence. That was because northern Cameroon decided to join Nigeria as opposed to southern Cameroon that decided to remain in Cameroon. Stop peddling lies. It makes you sound stupid and daft.

Corrinthians, take note. You went to school; you should quit behaving like a stark illiterate.

Lol... wonderful! When I opened this thread and read this comment, I had to go back and forth through the thread to confirm if it was my eyes seeing double. Oga what's the source of this comment and how is it related to the topic?

GMPO:
I know nairaland is very sympathetic to the APC and buhari because of osinbajo beign a Yoruba but the way they promote the APC without remorse make me wonder are the mods of nairaland living outside Nigeria? is economy difficulty not affecting the management of nairaland? nairaland must learn to keep setiment apart if we are to grow as a nation.to osinbajo you are a Christian just like me an I can tell you categorically that this is a warning from God to change evil ways.thank God for the life spared.

What exactly is this person talking about?... How exactly does posting a topic on the VP of Nigeria surviving a crash and then doing a thanksgiving suggest to you that Nairalanf MODs are sympathetic to APC?... too many emotional confused fellows everywhere these days.

Meanwhile, the VP surviving the crash without a single crash is a clear sign from God that He still got the VP's back even till tomorrow and will protect him from the evil wishes of his enemies. Somebody shout Hallelluia!

Kaybaba5:
Sharp man

More like 'foolish man'. But that's if what we're thinking is true.

bluebay:
Yes that’s the bitter truth. Goodluck Jonathan released money for all the rail projects ongoing and only thing the APC did was to release money for the Fast rains. Have you guys forgotten Amaechi was given for just 2 trains? It’s enough to but 8 of the fastest train in Europe. I speak with facts. Google it

chozzy:
Amaechi is the shameless liar here.

GEJ negotiated with China for four international airport terminals (through Stella Oduah) in Lagos, Kano, Abuja & PH and paid fully Nigeria's 15% counterparts fund.

Same thing happened with the following railway projects through then minister of Transport Sen Idris Umar

Abuja - Kaduna
Abuja MetroLine
Ajaokuta -Itakpe -Warri
Lagos - Ibadan

Hmmm... if GEJ completed the negotiations and released the counterpart funds for every project mentioned above, how come construction on these projects halted for over 2 years after GEJ left?... Why did the contractors only continue work some years later when more money was released to them?... or were the contractors scamming the FG or was the FG scamming Nigerians by claiming they were releasing funds to these contractors?

If all negotiations with China were all completed, how come buhari kept travelling to China and chasing after the Chinese president at the start of his tenure?... How come the FG also paid N17bn in 2016 for the completion of the Abuja to Kaduna rail?... Was that just the contractors scamming the dull FG?... How come the FG also had to pay the full counterpart fund for the Lagos to ibadan rail in late 2017 before the project could be commenced by the Chinese?

slivertongue:
Ameachi, Obi will disemember u with hard facts so luk 4ur fellow agbero 2 debate. ur boss knew his fate &stayd away

Even a child can win a professor in a debate if what the professor is saying isn't true. All Amaechi needs to do is provide simple evidence to prove that what Obi said was incorrect, and the would be the end of the debate.

Plucking poultry!!

Ugosample:
this guy must be a retard.

Who is talking of qualification here

Can you even be in the supreme court cartel without being qualified? ?


We are talking about the manner in which he was appointed

He clearly stated that this thread was referring to a false statement spread by some folks that the tanko dude wasn't called to bar. You obviously couldn't you read that but you think he's a slowpoke?

Out of the current pack, this man is the most suitable candidate. But unfortunately, Nigeria is a backward country.

LieDetector:
Onnoghen has about a billion naira in his account. He's the CJN and has been a civil servant for over 30years so it's understandable how the money came about.

Osibanja the mere commissioner prior to being sworn in as the vice president declared over N2b. But he can't be probed. Tinubu is worth more than Lagos state GDP yet no questions has been asked.

Hypocrisy has never been so obvious.

#BacktoDaura is a civic duty

Lol... Ignorance has never been so obvious!

Both Onnoghen and Osinbajo can easily have billions in their accounts. They're both professionals who have distinguished themselves in their field. And no sound person disputes that.

Osinbajo is the principal partner in a renown law firm, a professor of law and a Senior Advocate of Nigeria. If he flaunts 5billion in his account, he can defend it any day, any time. And because he knows he can defend it even in his sleep, he wasnt scared of declaring it.

On the other hand, nobody has claimed that a person in the calibre of Onnoghen cannot own billions. But the question is, why did he not declare it?....

PDP lieutenants seems to be more obsessed with irrational personality attacks more than anything else in this campaign season. What exactly has Osinbajo's religious life got to do with anything and how exactly is that the business of these PDP guys?

This is the same way instead of campaigning for thwir candidate in 2014/2015 using his achievements and manifesto, they spent 99% of their time and resources creating documentaries on buhari, throwing mud at Tinubu and amaechi and even creating on stupid failed smear documentary on Osinbajo. Now they obviously havent learnt their lessons. 2 weeks ago it was Reno attacking Amaechi with audio recording, when that didn't seem to work, he shifted base to Tolu Ogunlesi, a mere media assistant. And now again, it's on Osinbajo?.. Bunch of confused clowns!

I thought the real motive behind replacing the CJN was for the new guy to appoint loyalists for the election tribubals?.... If the new/Ag. CJN is so powerless, why's there so much noise about this saga being linked to elections?

litaninja:
The govt is handing the duties expected to private parties and you're clapping. Do you understand that the taxes you pay are for these roads

But the companies aren't doing these projects for free. They struck a deal with the FG to build these roads in exchange for a tax rebate. So in essence, the roads are actually being built by the FG using the tax from these companies.

naijapips04:
Onnoghen is not been tried on a criminal case. No body is disputing how he got monies in his account, if not you would have had EFCC and ICPC gruelling him.

The case is about a mere declaration of asset.

APC and their devilish croonies are trying to turn in around into a criminal case which it isn't.

When in 2015 Osibanjo a mere judge in a,state declared almost $1 million in his bank account, how come nobody questioned how he got them?

The CCT trial is not a corruption trial.

You've said it all, how Onnoghen made the billions in his account isnt the issue; there's no law stopping him from having private businesses that can give him trillions. Nobody said he stole the money. The only issue is, why did he fail to declare it all before assuming office? That's what the law says and he knows the rules too well.

And by the way, Osinbajo wasnt a 'mere' judge like you claimed. He owns a globally renown law firm that has won som huge cases in verifiable history.

Kanixt:
is cjn pdp? Receive sense iJn

The way the pdp is crying and gnashing their teeth over this Onnoghen matter, even to the point of announcing a halt to their election campaigns, it's obviously not out of any genuine love for Nigeria; there's definitely a pdp plan which has been hugely neutralised by this.

Meanwhile, how can the pdp soldiers keep shouting 'tyrant' and 'tyranny' in a bid to deceive Nigerians that they actually love democracy?.... Is there anything done by the Apc today that wasn't done x3 by pdp for 16 years?.... Talking of the presidency interferring in the business of other arms of govt and independent institutions, just a few years ago, did GEJ not also suspend an Appeal court judge (who was deemed to be sympathetic to APc)?... Did GEJ not also desecrate the independence of the CBN by sacking/suspending its governor (who refused to play pdp ball)?.... Or should we even start talking about how OBJ was changing NASS leadership like his used handkerchiefs? All these roguez shouting tyranny today actually hailed and defended those actions just few years ago. But today they've all repented and become lovers of 'order' and Buhari is suddenly the unique tyrant.

Politics has always been a dirty unfair game and the real losers are always the ordinary masses. Politicians are all rogues! They only cry when their own grand scheme at banditry is thwarted.

Privettoall:
If Buhari gets away easily with this, ah! Nothing for SE and SS again. Honestly! This man suppose to use wisdom in this case. Ha! Even the suspended Chief Judge of Nigeria is guilty, the president should at least exercise patience. Election is just less than 1 month. What is Buhari afraid of? That the man is Ibo? And will knock him out if he needs to approach the court after election? But Buhari said he is sure of winning the election. OMG. OMG. OMG Ibos must not sleep at all. Ibos must defend this. The ex CJN might be guilty, but really, Ibos must demand prosecution of all hausa and fulani corrupt idiots in his government. Buhari is not hiding his partiality anymore.

Unlike most other politicians who do exactly the same thing buhari is currently doing, buhari never for once tried to hide his own bias. But then again, this is what all politicians do.

blaise26abj:
This is why I said the judiciary is very silly. Why leave grey areas for politicians to exploit in the judiciary? Why not fight to have it amended to cover all areas? When they are as corrupt as the politicians how will they be proactive.

The ousted CJN is corrupt . Buhari took advantage of a loophole in a wrong way. Shikena.

Updating laws is the job of legislators, not judiciary.

Talking about taking advantage of loopholes, that is exactly what politicians (ALL politicians) do. There's a loud outcry about this only because the president is hated by a good size of the population.

This exact same scenario played out when GEJ sacked suspended the governor of the CBN for daring not to be on his side. I hear somwthing similar also happened to a judge named Salami; he was suspended until he attained retirement. The fact is that the president of Nigeria holds too much powers.

Meanwhile most of the folks shouting 'tyrant' here today called it a 'masterstroke' when a similar situation played out 5 years ago.

Efewestern:
Agreed most companies left Warri during the last warri crisis, but Warri is now peaceful, there haven't been any serious issues since the last clash.

You made mention of kidnapping, please where do you guys get your information from?, there is no such thing as kidnapping in the city.

Shoprite has opened several outlets in different cities in Nigeria. The very first time they considered Delta state and opened a branch in Warri. In less than 6 months, the complex was attacked, looted and vandalised by some idiots who called themselves 'youths'. The problem with Warri isnt the communal clashes; in fact, companies and businesses were never even attacked during those clashes. The real problem in the city are those idiotic youths that go from street to street attacking businesses.

Biodun556:
There is no doubt that dangote refinery is becoming a reality. But where will it source its crude oil?

Why will a right thinking industrialist locate its company far away from the source of raw material? Certainly it is not good idea due to cost of transportation and the risk involved.

It is surfice to say that dangote refinery hope to get its crude oil from Ondo State because lagos and Ondo share border and the local government producing crude oil in Ondo is nearer to Lagos. The Ondo state governor is currently planning to flag off lagos Ondo road which will reduce traffic from the two states to 30 minutes.

Just afte Dangote concluded plans to locate the refiney in its present location, lagos sate also discovered crude oil in commercial quantity in Badagry so there may be no need of running pipeline all the way from Niger Delta to get cude oil when it's abundantly available nearby.

Refinery operators from far away India and from some European countries come all the way to Nigeria to buy crude. Lagos is a stone-throw away from the niger-delta, so there's nothing complicated about Dangote buying and shipping or piping his crude from the niger delta.

Konquest:
The Refinery will have the capacity to refine 650,000 barrels of crude oil per day. The petrochemical plant will produce 780,000 metric tonnes of polypropylene yearly, 500,000 metric tonnes of polyethylene while the fertiliser project will produce 3.0 million metric tonnes per annum (mmtpa) of urea,” Dangote said.

Dangote added that his company is also building the largest sub-sea pipeline infrastructure in any country in the world, with a length of 1,100 kilometres, to handle three billion standard cubic feet of gas per day.

According to him, the company also plans to construct a 570 megawatt-capacity power plant in this complex.
“As a matter of fact, gas from our gas pipeline will augment the natural domestic gas supply and we estimate an additional 12,000MW of power generation can be added to the grid with the additional gas from our system,” he said.

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This is massive... and will transform Nigeria and Africa with the BIGGEST refinery in the world!

Anyone who is president when this project fully comes on stream would have a smooth sail with the economy. And as is usually the case for politicians, the govt then would claim all the glory saying it's their stellar economic policy that's yielding fruits.

mrAMG:
I was only replying you. You started with the comparison

In my comment which you replied, I was only replying to someone else who brought up the needless wealth comparison; and I stated there too to the guy that it was a pointless comparison.

mrAMG:
Between Osinbajo and the CJN, who is the professional heavyweight?

Since we’re looking at achievements and the likes.

Who would you say has won more cases? Owns/works with a/more globally recognized and prestigious law firms?

I'm struggling to understand the relevance of this comparison. What has Osinbajo's worth or Onnoghen's worth got to do with a case of asset declaration?

Meanwhile, both men have distinguished themselves in their professions, and there's no way either you or I can gauge their worth by just making blindfolded conjectures here; I do not know their personal businesses or investments and neither do you. Any one of them can be richer than the other. But then again, what has their worth got to do with anything?... Are we Nigerians just so obsessed with arguing off point?

PaChukwudi44:
[s]So You think Onnogen never did private practice too? How myopic can you be?[/s]

Now I ask you going by section 3(d) of the CCNB act.Did Justice Onnogen break the law? Yes or No
The section says...

3 (d) receive complaints about non‐compliance with or breach of this Act and where the Bureau considers it necessary to do so, refer such complaints to the Code of Conduct Tribunal established by section 20 of this Act in accordance with the provisions of sections 20 to 25 of this Act:

Provided that where the person concerned makes a written admission of such breach or noncompliance, no reference to the Tribunal shall be necessary.


BTW Justice Walter Onnogen declared all his assets before he became CJN in 2016.The case is saying he was supposed to declare in 2009.He also declared his assets in 2005

The simple thing I tried to point out to you is that your analogy comparing Osinbajo's worth to Onnoghen's worth was irrelevant and pointless. Nobody said Onnoghen doesn't have or shouldn't have private practice. The issue is about declaration of assets, whether it was done right or wrong, it isn't about "who get money pass." and there's no way in this world you can claim you don't know that.

PaChukwudi44:
What is the hypocrisy of zombies about the CJN's account history.So you mean to tell me a little known former commissioner of Lagos is supposed to be richer than the CJN ? What poo do you zombies smoke.

The law says certain govt officials MUST declare their assets before stepping into office. Osinbajo declared his, Onnoghen failed to declare several of his accounts (and was caught).

Onnoghen's offence isnt about having money, Onnoghen's offence is that he failed to declare his assets, which of course is against the law. This is elementary common sense!

By the way, Osinbajo is a professor in law, a renown lawyer and a Senior Advocate of Nigeria who owns a renown global law firm that has handled and won some massive verifiable cases in the recent past. His source of income is very much verifiable if that is where you want to raise a dust.

The rate at which some Nigerians defend rubbish is sickening.

naunasabi:
BMC don't like facts they prefer name calling and disinformation.

They will soon arrive here to insult Atiku instead of countering him with facts.

But in reality, what Atiku said is actually not true; it's actually just political talk to deceive the multitude of gullibles. Nigeria's economic lifeblood is dependent on oil. The moment oil price started dropping from mid-2014, so did our GDP growth rate. The rate had already fallen from 6% down to 2% before pdp handed over and bailed out of the sinking ship. Oh yes, it is a fact that pdp handed over a sinking economy to apc before it left, and amusingly now blaming the apc guys for all the mess. Afterall, 99.9% of Nigerians only noticed there was a problem after apc took leadership... PDp (and politicians in general) know Nigerians dont bother to verify info, that's the only reason pdp can be saying this now.

PassingShot:
PDP must think we all suffer from collective amnesis!

Paper growth and real growth aren't the same but Atikulooted brains won't understand.

Evidence that GEJ/PDP looted Nigeria to hopelessness abounds everywhere.

By October 2014, FG was already borrowing to pay salaries. And by the time PMB came on board, more than 24 states were owing between 6 and 11 months salaries of theri workers.

Ngozi Iweala said we were dying. Sanusi Lamido shouted same. Bismarck Rewane and Soludo warned about PDP looting and recklessness.

The useless party met more than $60bn in reserves, earned more than four times of it , and still managed to loot the reserve and what they earned.

NEVER AGAIN shall we experience PDP in our national political life. NEVER AGAIN!

Nigeria's GDP growth rate had already dropped down to 2% in 2Q 2015 before pdp handed over to apc. You should have put up an infograph of that in your post and saved yourself stress.