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BigIyanga:
Ignorant Naija with oppresor mentality. You’re probably unaware how things work in Cotonu let alone UK.
There is no consent form signed by the victim. Ike is a lawyer and knows about this.
Where is the written agreement btw Ekweremadu and the victim??

Consent forms in such procedures are signed in the hospital. Right until the boy is sedated and the procedure commences, the boy still reserves the right to opt out, even if he had previously signed the consent forms. So what written agreement exactly are you referring to?

Ddworld:
Good or daft? The bank and other agencies acted based on fact. Based on information supplied to them

If he wants to sue anyone, tht should be the people who gave him his birth certificate.

That lawyer is extremely daft

Ddworld:
Nigerians! Can someone held under law sue another entity without first being a free entity? They are under investigation for crying out loud. Let the UK government work and if there is any need to contact the Nigerian government, they will.

These desperation is becoming swthing else. Why will you sue the bank? Are they responsible for the forgery? If you want to sue, let it be the boy. Other agencies acted based on information given to them.

What type of daft humans do we have in this country?

Daft? You really think his lawyers are daft for dragging Nigerian Immigration, NIMC and the bank into the case to be co-defendants? His lawyers are clearly shifting culpability away from the senators head and you think they are daft?

blaise26abj:
They will . They have looked at the case and are trying the ekweremadus for exploitation . It will be hard for them to go scot free . It is alarming that they even have his account number , his Nin etc . That means they were ready to pay him for his kidney . THAT is exploitative . If it’s not exploitative , then why did they start treating him bad after the organ didn’t match ? I can assure you that there are many wealthy people in those climes that have to wait for organ donors like others . If their systems is insane like ours , they would hit the streets and buy organs off homeless people

How did we come to the conclusion rhat they were maltreating the boy? Where did that story come from? Nigerian blogs?

Meanwhile there are 1001 reasons why or ways how they could have gotten his account number. Would be interesting to see how the prosecution would prove this to be a case of 'exploitation' especially if they can't prove the boy was forced in anyway.

nameo:
Where are Tinubu's secondary and Primary school leaving certs or certified true copies(assuming they are "missing" as claimed by some).

What are the names of theze schools sef?

That is the main thing. Nobody really cared about his Univ cert cos he already sunmitted those onez to INEC. What he didnt submit(in fact left BLANK) are his primary and secondary certs

What's your business with his primary school result?

blaise26abj:
Even if he lied, with a good lawyer he will be granted asylum . It’s about threat to his life . He is a poor orphan against a former deputy senate president of a fantastically corrupt country like Nigeria . He can even file for his siblings if he has based on targeting his siblings to get to him .

Well, that's a possiblity. But will they really try to protect him if they establish from investigations that he dishonestly tried to blackmail and screw the senator up?

Chudyfuto:
If he likes ,let him have one million children. If he followed due process and reached an agreement with the guy, oga as for me ,he has no question to answer... Why will he use his children's own when he has the money to obtain from another source legally?

I've asked this same question several times to people who keep asking why he didnt get his other kids to be donors. Firstly, that they are siblings doesnt mean they must be a match.

Secondly, even if they are matches, the siblings have their own rights to refusal; papa and mama cant force the other kids to donate organs to their sibling.

Then lastly and most importantly, if God has blessed me with the financial resources to safely outsource a service, why should I get my hands dirty? Why shouldnt I pay for it?

joyd200:
This writer is oblivious of the real charge against Ike and wife before the UK court. The writer claimed they were arraigned before the Uxbridge Magistrate Court for alleged conspiracy to facilitate the travel of Ukpo, alleged to be a minor, for organ harvesting. This is certainly not true. The writer is only quoting a statement by the Metropolitan Police. A statement from the police in public domain is not same as the charge in the court. The statement may not often present the charge as stated.

According to reports: The charges against them, which already follow "an investigation by the Metropolitan Police’s Specialist Crime team" is as follows:

“[A] Beatrice Nwanneka Ekweremadu, 55 (10.9.66) of Nigeria is charged with conspiracy to arrange/facilitate travel of another person with a view to exploitation, namely organ harvesting.

“[B] Ike Ekweremadu, 60 (12.05.62) of Nigeria is charged with conspiracy to arrange/facilitate travel of another person with a view to exploitation, namely organ harvesting.

In summary, the charges before Ike and wife the have nothing to do with whether David is a minor. The "age issue" or whether they paid him handsomely is not a concern in this case. Infact, paying him commecially to donate organ is by itself a crime in the UK, so the IKe's wouldn't defend based on that. Authentication of age is not a defense in the case before the UK court.

If the age is confirmed by Nigerian investigations, the charges still remain. "Conspiracy to arrange travel of another "person" .... (a person can be adult or minor). That's isn't a mistake. Pls read within lines. Ike and wife may not escape this, except if the charges are later modified and that would involve lots of diplomacy frm the Buhari's govt.

Up to the point where the boy is put to sleep before the surgery, he still had the right to freely opt out of the process. If the boy's contentious age is cancelled out of the equation, how exactly could the prosecution prove that this was exploitation?

blaise26abj:
Either ways that boy gets his asylum . Even if he lied , he now has a legit reason to want asylum . Because if he returns to nigeria , he is good as dead . The way they will deal with him ehn he will wish he was never born .

Now I don’t know why people are castigating the boy . These politicians LIE with their very lives in order to dip their hands into the national treasury causing deaths of people. So he should enjoy the taste of his own medicine . Small thing , they will use their escorts to chase you out of the road , beat you and destroy your car on top . And you CANT do anything . You complain to the authorities , you are locked up . So he and his entire family should face what ordinary Nigerians face on a daily basis .

If it's confirmed that he's lying, bye-bye to that asylum; they wouldnt even think twice before sending him back to Nigeria.

frog12:
actually, i think i know wetin happen. if dem do the suitability test for nigeria, the boy go find out their plan, so dem go do am for far country, so the boy will be stranded and he go dey happy say him dey uk london,etc. but their scam no work out. this na how ekweremadu and saraki scam everyone to become senate president and deputy president. typical igbo scam !!!

There's no way in this world they wouldnt have told the boy what he was going to the UK for. It's pointless hiding it from him knowing fully well that the UK doctors would still explain the procedure (including the risks) to him before commencing the operation. If they truly wanted to 'harvest' his organs without his willingness as several peopleare alleging, they wouldnt have been silly enough to go to the Royal Free hospital in London. There're many shady hospitals in shady countries they would have alternatively taken him to if they wanted to harvest him.

SeriouslySense:
Ya ya, i will be disappointed, they just need to pack of these leaders and throw them to the dustbins. ,

Well, unfortunately they cant pack them up without any clear evidence of misconduct.

CheapHomes1:
Is going to jail in the UK part of what he achieved for himself?

Becoming a senator is an achievement. If it isnt, go and contest for a house of assembly seat in your state let's see how far you can go.

CheapHomes1:
So where would they have harvested the kidney and under what circumstances would the donor be giving out his kidney?

No need for long talks when we dont know the in depth details of the case. Let's just watch and see if they would jail he and his wife. But from bits and pieces of info being released, I thinks its very unlikely that they would be convicted.

frog12:
are you telling us nigeria hospital mess up?

CheapHomes1:
“After conducting various medical tests, the Royal Free Hospital in London decided that the said David Nwamini Ukpo was not a suitable donor because his kidney is not compatible with that of Sonia Ekweremadu"

Shows that no test was done in Nigeria

There's not a chance in the world that they would pay for such a trip to the UK without first testing the compatibility of the boy's kidney first in Nigeria.


Any hospital can mess things up, Nigeria or overseas. This wouldnt be the first time we would hear of a test being positive the first time and showing negative on second check. Even after all prior tests may have confirmed compatibility, the recipient's body may still reject an organ. These things arent 100% efficient.

deepwater:
I think the UK law frowns upon financial / material inducement for organ exchange. This is where the problem lies not actually on his age.

If there is no record or proof of material exchange for the organ then the Ike family might go scout free. But if there exist any material inducement, that one go be big problem.

Organ is not something that is openly traded. Else people would start breeding humans for the sole purpose of organ sale.


Even, u can't use a condemned criminal on death roll for organ exchange without his or her consent.

The law frowns so much on these things, we pray never to be such positions �

I dont think there's any law in Nigeria against paying for organ donation. I doubt the senator can be convicted in the UK for an action which happened in Nigeria and which doesnt break any Nigerian laws.

The only crime of the senator is claiming to have gotten consent from an alleged minor. If it's proven by any means (be it scientific or through documentation) that the boy isnt a minor, that's the end of the case. Even if it's proven that the boy is a minor, the senator with a good defense team can easily free himself by claiming he didnt know the boy was a minor; afterall all his documents proved he was 21

toujurs:
What did ekweremadu achieve? Most of you comment like illiterates on this forum.

You call a gay senator, who couldn't develop his constituents, a man that was beaten close to pulp, because of his dubious character. A man with achievements?. You must be mad. Honestly

You wey you feel say your head correct, go and become a senator let us see.

inoki247:
When I say all this our Politicians no get sense people go think say na Lie...

How can you take someone to UK without confirming the Compatibility of the organ....


No wonder na after dem sign something to Law dem dey read am come dey find way to amend am if I lie check that Electoral act na afta dem sign am dem start to see error..

And who told you they hadnt tested the compatibility in a Nigerian hospital before proceeding to the UK?

The man no get sense but he achieved all that he's achieved for himself. You wey get sense, wetin you don achieve?

therealMcCain:
How did they confirm 21 is the true age?

Do you have international passport?

Did any official verify your date of birth on your BVN/NIN?

They simply accepted what you told them probably backed by sworn affidavit which may or may not have been correct.

People swear affidavit in Nigeria tailored to what they need it for? They lie cos they know there are no consequences to it

My point is the age on BVN/NIN or any Nigerian govt ID is not proof of true age.

Agreed! But please what do you suggest as the proper way to verify age?

maleekberry:
Story for the gods. Who doesn't know how easy it is to manipulate the system in Nigeria.

Nigeria that doesn't have data bank. Which 22yr old boy go wan dash out his kidney when he never enjoy for this life.

The case looks as if the Ekweremadu wanted to play the boy and the boy later played them.
It's simply a case of fastest fingers First.

Millions of 21 year olds in Nigeria will gladly sell their kidneys for N1million.

immortalcrown:
Does this mean Ekweremmadu is not guilty of any offense? If yes, congratulations to him, and his critics should rest. But if he is guilty in any way, why so much concentration on the boy's age?

Also, why has immigration quickly confirmed the boy's age but may take eternity to confirm the authenticity of the passport used by the boy?

Immigration boss just told you the boy's passport is authentic, and that his age on both his passport and NIN document were confirmed to be 21 (born oct 2000), and you're still here asking for confirmation of authenticity of which passport again?

Iamzik:
In developed societies if you can provide higher education you also provide the lower ones alongside it. Bret kavanaugh and all supreme court justices that were confirmed in USA had all their academic results presented and verified from primary to university.

Is it so much hard work to write the name of your secondary school?

This is the height of hypocrisy

If you apply for masters degree today your secondary school certificate is one of the requirements.

Admit It. Tinubu is not straight forward on his identity, age, educational qualification and source of wealth. Such man is not what Nigeria need in 2023

Yeah he's not straightforward but he's still met the INEC's requirement, so what's all these noise really about?

egghead45:
Has he produced any?

But the Nigerian constitution demands that.

I pity people who sticking their head for BAT. The same man that brought in Buhari to power.
Like suffer no dey tire una.
Just imagine how the agberos will multiply in Lagos. It will be doom.

I'm not in support of Tinubu's candidacy, but likewise I'm not in support of nonsense emotional criticism and politics. It's a known fact that he graduated from Chicago state Uni. Several political opponents have written the school and the school has several times confirmed he studied and graduated in their institution. For someone with a verifiable higher degree, its just pointless and directional politics to dip heads in dirt searching for his primary 6 results. Nigerians need to wake up and start chasing after things of value that truly matter, not irrelevance.

egghead45:
I think you are the greater dummy.
Can you go for a job interview and tell your potential employer that you do not know where your Certificates are?
Clueless idiot

In developed societies, if you can provide your bachelors or higher degrees, nobody bothers to ask you of your primary 6 result

MatrixCircle:
This controversy has been there for over 20 years. Why can't WAEC issue a replacement to put the matter to rest. The matter even went to supreme court when he was governor. The solution is simple just provide evidence that the said certificate is missing and WAEC will issue a replacement. Why all this waste of money when solution is simple. Or is there something else we don't know ?

He already satisfied INEC's requirements by providing a higher degree result. So whether it pleases you or not, he isnt under any legal obligation to show you or anyone his WAEC result, whether we shout from now till 2027.

Like I said earlier this morning, if I were Tinubu, even if I had my WAEC certificate, I'll never release it to anybody; let them keep sniffing around in the dirt searching for my certificate. They will only realise the folly when it's too late, and then maybe Nigerians will finally learn to ignore mundane/useless issues and focus on more important things.

wirinet:
He provided the evidence to you abi? OK show us the higher certificate he gave you so the whole world can see. You know INEC require candidates present physical evidence of all certificates candidates claimed to have obtained. Will Tinubu present only his Chicago State University Certificate or he will only present affidavits of all the certificates he claimed to have obtained?

Several enquiries have been made by individuals to the CSU regarding Tinubu's studentship, to which the university confirmed he was their graduate. Even if he has lost his physical certificate, he can easily obtain a new copy instantly.

Regarding his other documents, INEC requirement states a minimum of WAEC, of which he only listed his university degree in the form (of which he probably has already provided or can easily provide a certificate). By listing only his university degree, he's only obligated to provide documentation for the degrees he listed, and what he listed meets the INeC requirements.

So let's leave all these pointless back and forth arguments and just sit back and watch. It would be interesting to see how INEC would disqualify a candidate that already provided documentation which exceeds the minimum requrement

wirinet:
If you are working for Tinubu, please inform him that he will need to present these certificates to INEC before the elections. I am sure the Amaechi team will take the matter to court to force INEC to disqualify Tinubu on non qualification based on certificate and/or lying under oath. You know the electoral law allows interested parties to challenge the eligibility of any candidate.

So it will profit you guys to start writing the schools Tinubu claimed to have attended for certified true copies of his certificates instead of engaging in linguistic and rational gymnastics.

So after providing a higher document such as a bachelors certificate or some form of academic transcript from CSU, you actually think Tinubu can be disqualified by INEC for not providing primary 6 certificate and WAEC?

What exactly do we term this kind of dream?

Pesuzok:
Does he have the minimum?

Let him present it.

Please what's your educational level? Cos you're apparently struggling with comprehension.

The law asked for evidence of education, minimum of which should at least be a WAEC certificate. The candidate provided something higher than the minimum, but you're still asking literally for the minimum?

Pesuzok:
Why not present the minimum as required.

Does he have it or not?

It's very simple

Are you sure understand the meaning of the term 'minimum requirement'?

MatrixCircle:
Let me ask you a question. Assuming that you are applying for a job that states that first degree is the minimum qualification, you then submit only your Ph.D certificate only without even showing proof of Waec, First degree and Masters degree to your employer to proof that you went through the NORMAL PROCESS that led to the acquisition of the Submitted Ph.D , for me it's a red flag. Everything has a PROCESS. Even the election he participated in went through a PRIMARY process before the main election come 2023. I also believe Amaechi, Lawan, Umahi , Osibanjo did not only submit thier highest qualifications but proved they went through the regular processes to arrive at thier various highest qualifications. I believe Prof. Osibanjo submitted FSLC, Wasce, First degree, Masters and Ph.D certificates and not only Ph.D .

What is the INEC requirement? That's the only thing that matters, everything else is secondary.

By submitting his bachelor's degree, he already satisfied the requirement and isnt under any legal obligation to provide further certificates. If he or other candidates chose to additionally provide other 'non-essential' documents, then fine! But if they dont for whatever reason (e.g with the excuse that the documents are lost), then they still havent breached the requirements.

Regarding your employment analogy, it's only in Nigeria I've seen employers requesting useless documentation thinking they're being thorough. I live and work in the UK and have changed jobs several times; only document I've ever submitted to employers was my MSc certificate (and MSc transcript at one point when my certificate wasnt available).

A man who has a confirmed university degree, you want me to go about bothering about his primary 6 result? Let's learn to stick to important issues in Nigeria please.

MatrixCircle:
WEAC was able to issue PMB certificate that put his own to rest, I learned that Tinubu's own secondary school certificate issue has lingered for long while he was governor of Lagos state, why can't he look for a similar way as PMB for Waec to re-issue him one. Look at the degree Senator Orji Uzo Kalu had has been withdrawn by the University because he didn't merit or attended the program. Our leaders should be an example to the young ones.

The keypoint to focus on is that he presented a bachelor's degree, which already meets the INEC minimum requirement. The man is therefore under no legal obligation to show you or anyone his waec or primary 6 result.

If you have any evidence that his bachelor's degree is fake, then that is when the man has a case to answer. Anything other than that is just another pure case of Nigerians chasing after nonsense while real issues deserving of attention are neglected.

MatrixCircle:
Let him bring secondary school certificate, leave primary. Atleast he used the Wasce to gain university admission.

INEC's requirement is a minimum of a WAEC result. The man already privided something higher, a bachelor's degree. After already satisfying INEC's requirement, why do you feel he's obligated to show you his waec result?

wirinet:
I am shocked at your mindset. Are you not concerned about the historical background of the person who is likely to lead you and your children for the next 4 possibly 8 years? Don't you want to know if the person has a criminal or questionable history? Don't you want to know how he was able to gain admission into a university without an o/level certificate? Did he impersonate someone else? Did he use "Oluwole" certificates? Was he admitted without O/level certificate?

At least the electorate he expects to vote for him deserves to know his academic history. Except you feel their opinions and votes don't matter.

Remember Gani Fawehinmi took this certificate issue all the way to the supreme court while Tinubu was governor. The issue remained unresolved as the supreme court threw out the case based on technicalities.

I'm not in support of a Tinubu presidency, but that doesnt mean I give a damn about his primary 6 certificate.... That's what I would term "a chasing after the wind", a useless and pointless quest, same nonsense that was done with Buhari in 2015 and 2019.

I absolutely dont care about his primary 6 result; the man already presented a bachelor's degree which is way more tangible than a primary 6 result. There's no way a person would gain admission into the university in the US, study through it, successfully graduate and have a career without having passed through primary school first.

Like someone wrote here, if the man didnt go through basic education but was able to successfully go through university, then you're suggesting the man is a genius.

Jack005:
So why not just state the schools you attended, people can always go and verify.. Whats the big deal here?

INEC's requirement for the presidency is for candidates to provide at least a WAEC result; Tinubu already has a university degree but someone thinks he went to the Uni without primary and secondary education and thinks the man is uneducated because he didnt provide primary 6 result?

If I were Tinubu, I personally wouldnt state the name of the schools too, since it's giving my political opponents mass hysteria. I'd gladly leave them to exhaust their time and resources chasing after nonsense till it's too late; same nonsense that was fone with Buhari
One day one day, Nigerians go eventually get sense.