₦airaland Forum

plaindealer:
When you are in over your head when your conscience is killing you, when you feel out of place around your own people, when you know you fvuecked up and people no longer respect or trust you, you have no choice but to carry the burden on your face.

I don't know who the VP's advisers are, but they are not good advisers.

You really don't have to do certain things just because you can, a good name and credibility go a long way, but this man lost all that credibility all because of power and petty politics, he lost that shine.

Osinbajo lost credibility because he chose to exercise his right like everyone else?

Someone like BAT who appears to possibly have health challenges, what credibility does he bring to the table with his own candidacy?

plaindealer:
Hence the reason why the VP looked lost, uncomfortable, and out of place. That was not his crowd, shitting where you eat is never a good thing.

Even Aregbe retraced his steps, Aregbe did not even take the bait when the VP made the unfortunate and thoughtless comment about the info on his nomination as the VP coming from Aregbe.

It's one thing to contest against Tinubu, it's another thing to throw jabs at him, it was not even a small jab, it was a big jab basically disassociating himself from Tinubu and that Tinubu is and was irrelevant before and during the nomination process.

Pains me to see the man rubbish and relegate himself down to a puerile and political amateur level.

Look at the whole APC political structure at the federal and state level including state governors, they are obviously distancing themselves from the VP. To them, if you are so bold to do this to your own political benefactor and your own Yoruba brother, you can never be trusted.

Northerners are very loyal people, they know how to repay loyalty and goodwill and there's a reason why they are shouting "It's time to pay back".

Apart from ipobs who are never going to vote for him regardless of their silly noise on social media and fanboys on Twitter, serious political actors across the country are avoiding him politically.

Lol... Of course he's a Tinubu fan; cos I was wondering why anyone would just create a thread 'feeling sorry' for Osinbajo as if the man complained to anyone. Obviously it's fake sympathy from a frenemy.

Oplomo:
Mr Oba...whatever, I don't my ego massaged, it doesn't swell my bank account. However, I stopped reading at the bolded. Your lame attempt at appearing dispassionate and objective, failed the test of prejudice right there.

This very forum is littered with invectives of mockery against the East from your yoruba comrades telling us '...we yorubas have produced OBJ as president, Igbos will never be president' . It is you are either totally blind or wallowing in the usual yoruba self-deceit, thinking you are smarter than everyone else.

I pretended I didn't know your antecedent on this forum in replying you, but you still failed the test of objectivity. Move, let hear from sincere folks.

I don't give a damn who you think I am or where you think I'm from; that's absolutely inconsequential and irrelevant to the discussion That notwithstanding, I'm a harcore Igbo man from the eastern heartland. If my opinions, ideologies and philosophies doesnt sit well with you or doesn't align with the general Igbo political ideology and approach (which i totally and openly do not agree with most times), then feel free to tag me a Yoruba man, an efulefu or whatever derogatory term that makes you feel better.

As for what you said above, I'm an ardent reader in this forum and have seen several comments about '...Igbos will never be president'... But I've never seen a "We Yorubas have produced OBJ, but you Igbos will never be president" statement. But then again, who gives a damn what tribal idiots even blab about online when there are more important things to think about?... I made a clear point which you ignored and started focusing on the mundane - that Igbos collectively have failed to play proper politics in Nigeria. That explains why the Igbo man (even a fine candidate such as Mr Obi) is sadly by default, politically disadvantaged in the Nigerian political stage.

Of course small minds would simply dismiss this with the emotional concept of "...they hate us, that's why they don't support us...", and other small minds would simply say "...you are Yoruba..." for daring to say such. But yet again, that doesnt change the fact in what I said about failing to play right politics; emotions don't work in politics.

Oplomo:
How popular was PDP in your yorubaland before you GIFTED the presidency in 1999 and 2003?

'Ibos can't play politics' but the Ibos getting elected by Europeans and American are from Jupiter? Is OBJ's presidency not both a personal achievement both for him and for the yorubas. Do you yoruba not brag with OBJ presidency and use it to mock Ibos?

How come yoruba were gifted presidency for not aligning with a party but Igbos should be scolded, maligned and scorned for doing same? Make us understand your nigerian politics.

First of all, I dont remember mentioning anywhere that I'm Yoruba. So maybe you need to calm down and correct your "if he doesnt say something to massage my ego, he must be Yoruba" mentality.

And then talking of 1999, that was a peculiar case when the military simply handed over power almost unilaterally to OBJ as a compensation for the MKO saga. Besides, OBJ whilst being a Yoruba man wasnt even the consensus Yoruba candidate (Falae was). Meanwhile, I dont think I've ever come across anywhere any Yoruba person used an OBJ presidency to mock Igbos; perhaps you can point out any examples of that?

And then you keep saying Igbos are elected in foreign countries; how can you keep being so naive to compare foreign politics to Nigerian politics? I also mentioned above that the focus is on collective politics, not individual achievement

Oplomo:
Tell us one political decision that Igbo should have made in the past since after the war that failed to make.

Tell us who they should have voted in the past that they didn't.
We need specifics now from you sermonists on Igbo politics not the time-worn semantics of 'Igbos can't play politics' rubbish.
The same Igbos are getting elected as Senators in Europe, mayors in US, Canada etc. Give us specifics.

Individuals getting elected in US and Canada means nothing, I wasnt referring to individual achievements, and this is one area the Igbos also fail; i.e. giving too much attention to individual achievements rather than collective.

You asked for examples of bad politcal decisions, the Op already gave some examples, one of which is casting all resources and loyalty to PDP unconditionally; the unconditionality of that loyalty is where the mistake lies - a good politician always gives conditions before supporting anything. The Igbos are a major tribe and very possibly the most populous in Nigeria, but we keep acting like a minority tribe. When APC was formed and it was clear they were going to become a power house, Igbos should have infiltrated the party (instead of leaving all eggs in one PDP basket).

Igbos not infiltrating APC is what made Apc a Yoruba-Hausa-Fulani party. You might ask, "didn't some Igbos join APC?", but that's not enough; we talking collectively and not individuals. Even the individuals who joined APC were literally banished and collectively tagged names like 'Okoro-Awusa' just for daring to play politics the Nigerian way.

Another example of poor politics is what's been happening since 2015; no matter how smart or wealthy or populated you are, you can never achieve political victories by burning bridges (which is effectively the only thing Igbos have collectively done since 2015, i.e. insulting and mocking Yorubas, Hausas and Fulanis).

Political victories are achieved only through alliances and partnerships. Even with the much touted population of the north, Buhari consistently lost elections until his people chose to have an alliance with the SW. Since 2015, Tinubu and his southwestern political block have eaten lots of insult and shit from the Fulani block, but they've chosen to quietly swallow the embarrassment in hope of clinching the presidency in 2023, and you'd agree that is something that looks quite likely (through tinubu or osinbajo). In my opinion, that's what politics is all about, not insulting people consistently for 7 years and then somehow turning around expecting their support to win an election.

Oplomo:
The mugu is not Ibo..

It the usual 'Ibo can never do well in our eyes' yoruba propaganda politics.

Let him go and listen to Ebenezer obey's ketekete (the man, his son and horse) song.
Obey was talking about people like him 'awon aiye' people of the world who can never see good in what others do no matter what those people do to please them

Ndigbo have done EVERYTHING in this country to be accepted, we have begged pleaded for 40 years, we have invested in other parts of the country. Infact the first editorial on the Igbo marginalization I read was written in 1973. My dad was still a young appentice boy when that piece was written. The world 'marginalization' has since become a synonym for Ndigbo. We have cried, till tears have dried. Yet these 'world people' can never see anything good in Igbo..

The question now is 'What do these people want from 65 million Igbo? These homilies on what Igbo should do and not do should stop, let the self-appointed lecturers on Igbo affairs talk to the bully (nigerian state) to enthrone justice and equity.

Our cries are music to their ears? While they play God? Mbanu, it cannot continue.
A typical african man would never bow to reason until you involve higher power/firepower/connect.

Everybody knows what to do for peaceful co-existence but let us continue to pretend we don't know. Do to Okeke, what you have done to Okorie, biri kam biri (live and lets live) but the feudo-monarchicals of nigeria say no.

The nonsense cannot continue, something must give.

One thing the Op is right about is that Igbos collectively do not know how to play politics, especially the Nigerian brand of politics. That explains why the Igbo man is by default, politically disadvantaged in Nigeria. No one else can be blamed for that. Crying marginalization is not a political strategy; even if it were, it isnt an effective one especially in the Nigerian jungle terrain where everyone (and every tribe) mindless looks out only for his own. Obviously the 'marginalization cry strategy' hasn't effectively produced any results for Igbos.

Politics is about scratching backs, blackmailing, mindless scheming etc - You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Nobody wins in politics without strategic alliances and partnerships, and that is one thing Igbos have collectively failed to do for some years now.

virginprincess:
I haven't seen soulmates that loss interest after marriage,that is almost impossible.

You're still living in fairytale land.

Mrpojj:
Selll gas , sell crude, and money no dey?
Are you getting my point at all
This people are stealing all the money that's why there is no money

Of course they're stealing money and always will, but even if they weren't, revebue from gas alone cant finance the entire budget.

sulaak:
The same money that Nigeria is wasting on oil subsidies. Since 2015, Buhari has increased the country's debt profile from $10 billion to nearly $40 billion, with the majority of the loans wasted on the consumption of imported goods and services.

Why not develop the steel plants, copper smelters, refineries, and Aluminium plants, fertiliser plants and petrochemical industries that will utilise the gas that the country is flaring.

It is cheaper and safer to develop these industries than build a gas pipeline that will be destroyed by Boko haram and ISWAP.

In 1960s, Nkrumah convinced USA Kaiser Aluminium and Reynolds Metal Company both from the United States of America to assist in the funding of the Volta Dam, which is a major source of electricity in Ghana. If Nkrumah could do it in the 1960s , while can't Nigeria do it in 2020s

Developing the Trans-Saharan Gas Pipeline (TSGP) is as important to Nigeria's economy as all those other things you mentioned. It's not of lesser importance and neither is it of lower priority than the rest. Its impact on the country's economy would be tremendous, especially considering the sheer forex inflow and political advantage it would give to Nigeria.

The EU would not only pay top dollar for Nigerian gas, it would also pay top dollar to Nigeria for logistics (i.e. to use the pipeline). The revenue coming from that gas would encourage investment in developing further gas reserves (Nigeria currently hasn't tapped into up to 10% of it's gas reserves because we literally dont have the money for that, and neither do we even have the infrastructure to sell or utilise the gas). When gas reserves in more states, including non-niger delta states like Anambra, Benue, Bauchi are developed, do you have an idea how that would turn around the economy of those states including in the area of job creation? Is this what you're rubbishing simply because you think "one dumb APC fellow in govt is the one making the suggestion"?

In addition to the economic benefits, the TSGP would give Nigeria a major political and economic advantage in the European energy politics; besides nuclear weapons, the greatest strength and bargaining chip of Russia against the entire Europe is its gas. If Nigeria builds that pipeline, we would have a major voice in deciding how Europe treats us socially, politically and economically. If there's anyone who should be against that pipeline project, it should be the Kremlin (but strangely, it's Nigerians who speak against it).

Unfortunatley, a mass of the people on this thread who have rubbished the importance of the TSGP do so primarily beecause they are ill-informed or probably just playing ignorant politics (by ignorant politics I mean, several people here just feel an irresistable urge to criticise it because they feel it's being suggested by someone they have a contempt for).

sulaak:
Morocco and Europe want the gas to create jobs and for energy security, Nigeria should be looking for money to build steel plants, refineries, power plants and copper smelters.

Where would that money come from? Nigeria currently burns away billions of dollars worth of gas through flaring. A suggestion is made to develop infrastructure to entrap those billions, but you think this is a bad idea because we dont have steel plants or copper smelters?

Building the Trans-Saharan gas pipeline through to Morocco/Algeria and connecting to Europe is a brilliant idea which should have been done 50 years ago if only we had good leaders.

Simeonjoe1:
As in I'm even shocked the way people agrees to that post. The man is talking as if the money is already there, all that's just left is a stroke of pen. In as much as we want to increase local distribution so also we should enhance our export. And which better customer can we sell to if not those in Europe. How many gas will our west African buy or can afford. Even the Nigeria market here is it profitable?
We have more than enough to export and for domestic use. All those industries mentioned requires money and this is an avenue to make such money. Nigeria is a very poor country and until we find a way to increase our IGR all those things mentioned will only be meagerly accomplished and we will still continue on the borrowing trends. Like almost any major infrastructure now we have to borrow to fund it.
This is normal market. If you have a shop and want to expand it you have to sell to the public not even your family members cause only then can you make more money to expand your shop. How many people fit consume gas for Nigeria, or we should start introducing gas subsidy another avenue to grossly decrease our income generation. Or we should start distributing free gas to people with stoves? Or creating more power generation plants when obviously the disco and consumer isn't on terms.

Any opinion that remotely resembles an opposition or criticism to what the govt (or someone in govt) says, a lot of people would naturally just buy into it as a smart opinion, irrespective of how flawed it is. That explains why an opinion which openly rubbishes the development of an export gas infrastructure to Europe can receive numerous endorsements.

Mrpojj:
Selling gas locally and international, yet nothing to show for it revenue wise
Do you think it's normal?

You want only the sale of one commodity to finance the budget of the entire nation? Is that normal logic?

Mrpojj:
Sylva said on Monday that the pipeline would be an extension of a structure that had been pumping gas from southern Nigeria to Benin, Togo and Ghana since 2010.

So there is a structure that does this already in Nigeria , and we are still borrowing?

So because Nigeria has a pipeline to Benin republic, does it automatically mean the revenue must be sufficiently large enough to fund our budget?.... A

aribisala0:
Huge and stupid?

We are still cooking with kerosine and Firewood and think the best thing to do is export gas.

When we export gas we export our children's future and jobs
Let us ask a simple question

What do those countries that buy our gas do with it and what do we buy from them in return

Google
List of top gas consuming countries you will find the top world economies

What we need to invest in is our capacity to distribute and use gas INSIDE Nigeria

That money should go on gas power plants in Nigeria and not gas pipelines for export.
Last year we made less than a billion USD from gas.

When that gas reaches Europe it would be retailed for much more(we lose)
It will contribute a lot more to their GDP and used in products which we then end up importing e.g. fertilizers(we lose again)

Among the most energy intensive products are
Basic Chemicals( Germany is one of the leading producers)
Steel
Cement
Foods e.g chocolates,beverages,tobacco
Paper
plastics
Glass
Aluminium
ALL products that we import a lot

All products we have no business importing

Strategically we should focus on using our energy for Value Addition

Does it make sense for us to

Sell cassava to anyone and then buy gari in return?

But FOR DECADES

we are buying petrol and diesel

We should not compound that folly by

putting our money into pipelines for gas to Europe

We can never get a fair price for it and we should focus on using it to boost our own economy

Let us aim to be a world leader in Glass and fertilizer . We have everything needed for that. Why export it?

Rather les us offer free or very cheap gas for 10 years for companies to come and open manufacturing plants

Glass is a big deal not gas
There is growing glass market of $120 billion worldwide, growing fertilizer market, growing steel and cement market

That should be our focus

Now that we're not exporting the gas, aren't you still using firewood to cook while you burn away billions of dollars in flares?

Developing local gas infrastructure is important, and developing capacity to export the flared gases is also extremely important.

The number of people picking B (the second sentence) is disturbing; why do so many people feel it's proper to place a 'comma' before or together with 'and'?

Whilst it may not be wrong to do so in certain cases, the most appropriate answer is C (the third sentence).

ThinkSmarter:
Oyibo too dey suffer from cancer.
Asians and Africans got the strongest immune system

Story story! I'm pretty sure Africans have as many cancer related deaths as much as the oyibos. Only difference is that we dont diagnose it; 99% of cancer deaths in Africa are not diagnosed. We just call it 'died after a brief illness' or we call it village juju and go spiritual.

Not a lawyer but maybe woman 'A' could just deny that she ever collected any sewing maching from woman 'B'. Woman 'B' may show the court a receipt but does she have any evidence that she ever gave the macchine to woman 'A'?

Breaking Bad
Power
The Last Kingdom
Queen of the South
Narcos

kaymart:
There is something called "basics".
Ans the fact that u don't necessarily have to travel down to developed nations to actually have a clue of what governance is about.
You need to wake up

I'm not sleeping, I only gave you a word of wisdom to ponder on. What you term 'mediocrity' may mean the world to someone else and what you term 'achievement' may be worthless mediocrity to another.

kaymart:
Africans keep celebrating mediocrity

Whatever it is you may think is an actual achievement, will also be mediocrity to someone else.

thebosstrevor1:
Jonathan, buhari are all puppets.

They had their tribemen or godfather pulling the strings.

As a president you have to please those who put you in power because they can remove you during your second term election.

Name the godfather.... 'Tribesmen' isnt the name of a person.

thebosstrevor1:
Osibanjo is just a controlled opposition created by Tinubu to create an illusion to apc delegates, Christians and middle class voters that they have a choice to vote for a Christian man who can change Nigeria. It is just a political deception created to deceive you all.

You need to understand, that Buhari is a muslim and tinubu is a muslim, Osinbanjo is a Christian and it is time for Yorubas to rule, some Christian will point out that since buhari is a Muslim, Tinubu a Muslim can not rule but here comes Osinbanjo a Christian, a unifier, created to change the game.

Osinbanjo is working for tinubu but pretends like he is working for Nigerians. Tinubu is the string, Osinbajo is the puppet. What ever happens, the string will always control the puppet.

You see, the endsar in lagos made tinubu to know that
most youths do not like him, he understands that to play the game well, he need to use his puppet osinbanjo to play a game on those haters, the delegate, Christian and middle class voters.

How?

Osinbanjo is popular, respected and liked by everyone especially Christians and the middle class, they say he is a good manager and also a unifying entity in Nigeria. Atleast, this is our perception of him.

Inorder for Tinubu to get votes by using Osinbanjo, he created an illusion and a disguise to voters.

This is the trick, tinubu will fund Osinbanjo presidential ambition and also fund his own political ambition, infact, publicly, Osinbajo will gain popularity among Citizens but secretly Tinubu will buy up atleast more than half of the delegates.

On the day of Apc convention to choose the flag bearer, they will create an illusion that Osinbanjo is wining the delegate votes but Tinubu will eventually win by a whisker thus creating the illusion that Osinbanjo has a solid base that can compete with Tinubu.

The show begins.

After Tinubu wins by a whisker,he will promise Osinbanjo and his delegates juicy positions in his government and talk about working together in unity for the party. After the agreement, Osinbanjo will use his image to campaign for Tinubu and convince his target base which are Christians and the middle class to vote for Tinubu in the election. Tinubu will win and gets all the votes.

Tinubu is your president and you were tricked by Osinbanjo.

Now, if by mistake, Osinbanjo becomes the Apc flag bearer, and eventually wins the election, Tinubu the string master will still have power over his puppet Osinbanjo.

So it is a win win situation for Tinubu and apc.

The bolded bit of your comment is one big tale which so many people delude themselves with. A president of Nigeria is an emperor and cannot have a godfather. The day Osinbajo gets elected as president, that's the day he instantly becomes Tinubu's godfather.

GooodHardDick:
True.

But that doesn't change the fact that we all need Peter obi to rescue Nigeria.

Let's come out in mass and vote massively for Peter Obi come 2023. Let's build a better Nigeria!

Vote for Peter Obi 2023!

Yeah but please stop Igbonising his candidacy; except you want to chase voters away.

GooodHardDick:
It is now certain that We all need Peter Obi to rescue Nigeria!

Peter obi is the best man for the job. I'll urge everyone out there to come out in mass and vote massively for Peter obi come 2023.

I support Peter Obi
I support Igbo presidency 100%

Peter Obi will make a good president, but the moment you keep harping the term 'Igbo Presidency', you unknowingly reduce Peter Obi to a regional / tribal candidate, thereby sabotaging his prospects. We need to dump the clannish attitude because it never works.

Wedding without guests na photoshoot...

okeysoninv:
lol, Enugu that houses second largest estate in Nigeria after gwarimpa in Abuja. have you been to ind.layout, Gra, trans ekulu and new haven.

I've been all around enugu and all around owerri. Owerri is more beautiful and serene in my opinion. I guess it's just subjective opinion though.

okeysoninv:
you never been to Enugu

I think you on the contrary have not been to Owerri. Enugu may have one or 2 beautiful streets, but overall, the beauty in Owerri is far more widespread.

mannasseh:
Have you seen this Tweet by shehu sani, what are your views on it, in relation to yemi Osinbajo and Bola Tinibu.
What difference can they actually make if nothing much is seen even with their presence and stronghold in this current administration.

Was Shehu not a top member if apc just until recently?.... The 'wisdom' he keeps dropping on twitter, why did he deny his former oga the wisdom he possesses?

thorpido:
Crazy world.
They couldn't just take the heat.Why take their family members with them?

The fact that there are people who actually swallow the 'suicide' logic here is shocking.

Hassanmaye:
Please I don't agree with this

Well, its up to you. Goodluck as you try to play God.

Sanchez13:
Na kids wey never reach 15 years we d talk about oo. This is purely lack of home training,nothing else.

Of course some parents are careless, but even the best parents in the world cant be with their children 100% of the time; not even toddlers can get 100% attention from the best patents in the world.

No parent is 'G-O-D'; no matter how good you are as a parent, your child still gets some exposure to society and we can only pray our kids dont fall into unfortunate company. That your kids didnt fall into wrong company isnt exactly 100% by your power; na only God dey help children

abbey621:
It's not the job of society to raise your child!

Parents alone cannot raise kids... Kids will always be exposed to the society; no matter how excellently perfect parents and teachers are in shielding children from society, children will inevitably be exposed to society. E Even if parents and teachers monitor children 99.9% of the time (which is impractical anyway), that 0.1% of the time the child is exposed to society can still destroy the child.

So yeah in this case, society failed the children too.