₦airaland Forum

nighter:
Leave them, let them be yapping. I for one do not have primary school certificate.

The obsession of Nigerians with the most useless things is just bizarre and amazing at the same time. Just watch as this would be topic of discussion for the next 8 months, while real issues of importance would be neglected.

For a person who's confirmed to have a bachelor's degree, what's anyone's damn business with his primary 6 result?

For someone who's confirmed to have a bachelor's degree from the US, just watch as Nigerians in their usual obsession with useless/mundane things would soon leave weightier matters of the campaign and start chasing after Tinubu's primary 6 result for the next 8 months with useless litigations. Same thing the PDP foolishly did with Buhari in 2015 and 2019 till they lost both elections.

Onelove508:
The one you hear, is it in the UK?

The AIT guys could be wrong the Sha. Cos I later heard the guys kidney didn't didn't march the girl's.

This will become clearer soon.

Definitely in the UK. The only law the UK has against this is 'selling' or donating the organs for financial rewards; but of course people still do this everyday behind the scenes.

https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/about-donation/living-donation/

Voom ka mma karia statement.

Onelove508:
AIT their 7am new papers review either yesterday or the day before..

Well, it doesn't sound realistic though. Infact that info is incorrect cos I'm very sure I've heard of living people donating kidneys to loved ones in the UK.

Naajjii:
But you people have reported that the boy kidney didn't match they were about bringing him back to Nigeria that's why he went and lied just to remain in UK.
How can you take a boy with unmatched kidney to UK as a donor? If Ekweremadu tested his other kids and they were unmatched how come this innocent kid was not tested just like his kids before taking him to UK?

Please who is the "you people"? What's the source of that story? Not sure I understand your point.

From the way the story has been presented so far, I doubt they wouldnt have tested and confirmed the boy's kidney to be a match before proceeding to the UK.

Besides, when 1001 versions of a story are flying about online from various sources, I'd typically wait for an official version from an actual insider before drawing any conclusions.

Onelove508:
It's against the law in UK to donate human parts except from a dead person. Nobody here has said that, that's the major issue here.

Hmm... Please can you point out where you found this law?

Funflipper:
I am highly offended because your point clearly indicates you are sympathizing with the criminal otherwise common sense would have told you Ekweremadu felt he was invisible and could buy his way anywhere like he does in Nigeria. How about that?

I'm very sure Ekweremmadu isn't the fool you think him to be; he's possibly way smarter than you and I and would definitely have known that he wouldn't be able to buy his way out of any situation in the UK like he does in NIgeria. That's why I said it makes no sense he would embark on such a mission to the UK (of all places) and not think it necessary to first inform the boy of the reason for their travel.

Heck! anyone with common sense would have known that the doctors would surely explain the procedure to the boy before commencing. Are you then suggesting Senator Ekweremadu lacks common sense?

Like I said again and again, it make no sense; the senator isn't a fool like you assume him to be.

Funflipper:
Ekweremadu should tell us who he purchased the boy from and how much because it is obvious the boy didn't get a dime.

Funflipper:
Ekweremadu should show proof that he tried donating his own hidney but didn't match.

Okay it appears like you have personal problems with Ekweremadu; so I really shouldnt expect your arguments to be logical. I rest my case!

Funflipper:
Just listen to yourself! Well, the good thing is, they are not being tried in nigeria where you people celebrate evil. They is cooling in jail until July 7th and just a reminder, the UK authorities can never be blackmailed.

I simply made a logical point that it's unlikely they wouldnt have told the boy the reason for his travel. Common sense tells me that if they wanted to actually take the boy out there and harvest his organs against his will, they would have opted for lawless countries, not the UK.

I'm not sure why my point offends you, but please, I'm not the cause of your problems.

wirinet:
Implicated or vindicated? Did the boy truly agree to donate one of his kidney to a complete stranger ? And why?

Financial inducement or course; why would you ask a question for which the answer is obvious?

In Nigeria today, I'm pretty sure over a million youths would willingly jump on such an opportunity. Is it not this same country where youths fvck dogs, eat fresh poo as meals and even pledge their souls to demons in exchange for wealth just because they want 'dorime' to be played for them in clubs?

Naajjii:
Why did Ekwerenadu not use one of his children for the donation?

1. The donor has to have matching organs. That they are siblings doesnt mean their organs must be a match - this isnt blood donation.

2. The organ donor has to consent. If the siblings arent willing to risk their kidneys, the parents cant force them to.

wirinet:
Ekwerenmadu was not very smart at all. UK
(and US) is not the place you should carry out such not so legal activity. The doctors and authorities would interrogate the boy and pass through some rigorous administrative process before carrying out such operation. They would want to find out why the boy agreed to donate his kidney.

Ekwerenmadu should have done the operation in India or even UAE where they would not ask much questions.

Yeah this is exactly the reason I said it's very unlikely that the boy wasnt made aware of the reason for his travel. Ekweremmadu may have been desperate but definitely not foolish. He definitely would have known that the doctors would question the boy before the procedure; so there's no way the boy wouldn't have been told why they were taking him to the UK.

If they wanted to truly 'harvest' his organs without his consent, they would have opted for other shady locations, definitely not the Royal Free Hospital London.

immortalcrown:
Focus on the things that matter most.

Was his passport legally obtained?

Was he told the actual reason for his journey to UK?

Are you sure the boy read the letter before Ekweremmadu submitted the letter? It is possible the boy was just informed that a letter was sent in support of his visa application.

You have not answered any of my questions. The same way he made a call and got a kidney donor in a questionable manner.

I have no interest in the matter. And I never said the boy's age does not matter. What I said is the boy's age is not the most important thing here. Someone as learned and as famous as Ekweremmadu allegedly obtained an illegal passport and took a boy to UK for organ donation without telling the boy the reason for the travel. How is the boy's age the major problem here? An adult can be deceived. A minor can be deceived. This is why the boy's age is not the major problem. If Ekweremmadu legally obtained a passport for the boy and told the boy why they were traveling, then age is the major problem here. But if Ekweremmadu did otherwise, proving that the boy is an adult cannot mean Ekweremmadu is innocent.

Your allegation that Ekweremmadu may have arranged an all expense paid trip for the boy to the UK without letting him know the reason for travel doesnt seem realistic (in my opinion). There's absolutely no way the boy wouldn't have known the reason he was picked up, cleaned up and taken on a full expense paid trip to London.

Ekweremmadu may have been desperate, but he's definitely not a fool. If he wanted to deceive the boy to a foreign land to dubiously harvest his organs without consent as alleged, he wouldn't be so foolish to choose a hospital in central London for such an operation. There are many other countries he could have opted for if he wanted to do it illegally.

GloriousGbola:
You are a British citizen and you are reasoning like a third world agbero? I guess what they say is true, you can take the hood rat out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the hood rat.

You have been there for how many years and you still have not learnt the value of human life. Disgusting.

Don't worry, they will slap your hero ekeremadu with ethics, morality and legality

This is not one of those cases where your fellow exploiters got 6 years for slavery. This is organ harvesting. Your man will be lucky if he does not get life. Please enjoy your legal not moral straw man arguments

Huh?!

"My hero Ekweremadu"?

Where did that come from?

All along I even thought I was conversing with a human with functioning faculties.

I've repeated it several times today that I wasnt defending the crime of the Ekweremadus (i.e. illegally bumping the age of a minor and claiming they had his consent); I was simply pointing out that just like the Op had mentioned "organ donation isnt illegal even in the UK, as long as consent is sought."

But apparently, I didnt know I was conversing with an autistic person with learning difficulties.

No more words!

GloriousGbola:
too many Nigerians find it easy to justify the wrong things because they have never lived in civilized societies

so sometimes arguing about morals, ethics etal is pointless

Oga you keep arguing like you're uneducated, no offence! I've repeatedly tried to educate you that there's a difference between morality and legality. But the twin concepts appear to be too complicated for you.

And hey! you keep talking about living in civilised societies; I'm a british citizien and I live in the UK and I put it to you again that there's a difference between morality and legality. Some acts may be morally wrong, but that doesnt automatically make them illegal or 'crimes' in the eyes of the law. It's unfortunate if you still cant comprehend this. Good day!

odimbaa:
but if the boy consented to it as they said, how did this whole thing get to the public

At 15, the boy isnt old enough for consent. That is the only crime here.

GloriousGbola:
you still do not understand

it is Exploitation

i gave local examples , but you are still bent on defending this

would YOU take money to donate your kidney? why not?
that is what exploitation is

GloriousGbola:
we should simply agree to disagrree

it is obvious you will continue to look at this issue from a nigerian lens while i am looking at it from a western lens

Exploitation may be morally wrong, but that doesnt automatically make it ILLEGAL.

Not even your western lense makes it illegal.

Hiring a staff and paying them meagre income (cos you know there's an unemployment crisis), that is EXPLOITATION. But does it make you a criminal?

GloriousGbola:
you see what I said?

stop taking a nigerian mentality

this is why we have child traffikking laws, even if tehy are not fully implemented

go and google nigerians convicted of slavery in the uk

domestic help is a luxury abroad, so you find that some 'smart' nigerians carry persons to be househelps
they get caught and slapped with slavery charges

stop defending what is wrong because of 'poverty' and so called 'legality'

this is exactly what got ekeremadu in trouble. going to a civilised nation with a third world, the poor are fodder for me mentality

Repeatedly saying I'm 'defending' Ekweremadu is now beginning to piss me off. Do you have an issue with comprehension? I was simply explaining from the legal viewpoint.

The Op of this thread stated that organ donation is legal in the UK; I simply concurred to that. People donate organs to friends, family members, loved ones etc. Also, some people donate organs for financial rewards. Whike it may be immoral, there's nothing illegal about that, except the donor (as in this case) is a minor not old enough to consent.

On your other example regarding domestic slavery, it's only legally regarded as a crime if the victim isnt being remunerated up to the minimum legal level and if some form of duress (e.g. using blackmail) is involved to force the person to work under dehumanising conditions.

GloriousGbola:
you still do not understand

it is Exploitation

i gave local examples , but you are still bent on defending this

would YOU take money to donate your kidney? why not?
that is what exploitation is

Like I said and will say again, I was simply speaking from the angle of the law. I wasnt defending anything so please hold your peace.

With the level of poverty in Nigeria, exploitation is already a culture. In addition to the examples you gave, everyday occurrences like using a domestic staff almost as a slave and paying them peanuts still fall under the same issue of exploitation. But does that really make it illegal? NO.

Again, I was just speaking from the legal point of view, not the moral point of view.

GloriousGbola:
do you understand the meaning of the term exploitation of the vulnerable?

hope you do not have one underaged household in your house, her childhood wasting w=away while she attends to your own kids. they also call that 'helping' and claim it is 'voluntary'.

the same way we read everyday of underage girls being married off to older men who fund their education. why do the girls suddenly opt out down the line?

look at the picture of the boy who 'willingly' agreed to 'donate' his kidney. does the guy look as if he has enough education or exposure to even know what a kidney is or how important it is?

the problem of so many nigerians - is that they think this mentality works in a civilised society

I was simply speaking from the legal point of view. I never said or suggested that I supported any act.

If the boy is a minor, all the law needs is for evidence to be provided that his parents consented to the boy being a donor. We're pretty sure that isnt the case here though since they had to bump the boy's age (to make it seem he was an adult old enough to consent).

GloriousGbola:
do you understand te meaning of teh word exploitation of teh vulnerable?

hope you do not have one underaged household in your house, her childhood wasting w=away while she attends to your own kids. they also call that 'helping' and claim it is 'voluntary.

Like I said, millions of Nigerians would WILLINGLY jump on the opportunity, including thousands condemning here on Nairaland. That's a direct consequence of the dire economic situation we face in Nigeria. I can bet my last dime (and even my left kidney) that the boy and his family WILLINGLY consented to the boy being an organ donor in exchange for a life changing sum of money.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
You folks don't read or what..they clearly said the lil boy was underage and it was without his consent...what are you still talking about?


He ain't of age..fake passport or something..that nonsense is called Modern slavery..

Harvesting organs from still living people is where you start to see it getting iffy..if they volunteer their organs willingly and aren’t killed by the procedure then it’s fine..was that what took place?

It should be done only with consent...That’s why you have to volunteer to be an organ donor rather than some buff guys from the hospital holding you down and ripping out a kidney...

Where did you dig out that info from that the boy didnt consent to being a donor?

Who told you the plan is to kill the boy or that procedure was going to kill the boy? Where did the impression come from that they planned to press him down in a clinic and rip out his kidneys? If they wanted to do that obviously they wouldn't d be foolish enough to go to London for it.

The boy (and probably his family) clearly and certainly consented to being an organ donor in exchange for a large sum of money and probably a better life in the UK. Millions of Nigerians, including many condemning here on Nairaland, would WILLINGLY jump on that opportunity

The only crime committed in this case is that the boy is 15 and not 21 as alleged, and with a good legal defence team, the Ekweremadus can untangle themselves from this case by claiming they didnt know the boy was a minor with forged documents

Many people suffer from serious inferiority complex. Why exactly is Jesus' skin colour a concern to any confident person?

Besided, the people in the part of the world where Jesus was born into aren't black, and neither are they even white. Why exactly is Jesus' skin colour a concern to any confident person?

Meanwhile Mr Reno is supporting a presidential candidate who is a known fraudster and thief that is currently STILL wanted by the FBI in the US for a major bribery scandal. Perhaps Reno should ask his preferred candidate to visit the US for just a weekend? Nigerians would like to check something.

What kind of slowpoke throws stones around knowing full well that they live in a glass house?

Freebills12:
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When you try to to win something and failed, what are you at that point in time?

That makes me a person that did not win.

Ma niggr!!

UrPapa:
Afonja slaves will never support peter Obi because they are scared of our success

This is a typical example of the pervasive stupidity that forces people to vote only along their tribal lines in Nigeria.

One clown even suggested that Mr Obi should be arrested for theft by EFCC cos of the drop in value of the investment.

Ignorance on steroids!

Wahala for who say Igbo people no dey vote. People eye don clear!

Several people mentioned that LP had no structure or pedigree to win an election. But with party primaries completed in June, I say and I repeat, 8 months is more than enough time for structures to be built.

Why exactly do people feel they have to lie blatantly to sell a candidate or to demarket another?

It just portrays a lack of mental and intellectual capacity on the part of the authors and eventually, they end up demarketing their candidate when the lies and propaganda are busted.

Freebills12:
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If you have been observant, you will know that there is apex in which one desires to reach in Nigerian politics Tinibu and Atiku are good example. This is their life's ambition. Amaechi is in the same league. His principle aim of joining APC is to be VP to kwankwaso and which he will president

And it makes him a 'loser' or 'failure' is he doesn't attain the apex position of presidency? What's your definition of 'failure'? How many people in the politicosphere can make it to president? Are they all failures too?