₦airaland Forum

optionalY09:
It’s most illogical to deprive people of fundamental human right and want to function as human. What is the importance of going out everyday and living like a slave for over 100years. If seating at home will make us free from slavery we are ready to double it, we’ll seat at home for 2months

Why force those who arent interested in your struggle to abide by your own choices? Isnt that the same tyranny you claim to be fighting against? What's the difference between the IPOB ideology and the tyrannical system you claim to fight against if you brutally force fellow Igbos to abide by your bizarre orders? If fellow Igbos can be brutalised and their businesses destroyed for not sitting at home, God knows what will happen to eastern minority tribes if Biafra is actualised.

The african story never changes; from one bondage to another.

Shebi na so we wan do the Biafra? Idiots!

EKONGKING:
These people will still vote for APC ,the elders of the community will dine and dance with their oppressors .
The soldiers from the community,will always follow the command of their oppressors and shoot southerners resisting fulani herdsmen .while online educated fools of the community ,support the evil ,when its favouring them.

If these people can't organise themselves and revolt against oppressors ,I can't see why southerners should worry about them.

People just sit in the comfort of their homes dropping insensitive and thoughtless comments... What makes you think these people haven't been revolting for decades even before you were born?

And then you bring in ApC/PdP politics because in your understanding, the southern Kaduna crisis started in 2015 right? Even in the last election, the PDP candidate was also Fulani, so what exactly is the point? By the way, do you think the people of southern Kaduna have the population and political strength to influence elections in the state?

Maduka - OUT!
Soludo - OUT!

Naija I hail!

TruthinAction:
You still don't know where you are. Your government doesn't have your interest at heart. If they do, our refineries would have been working by now to full capacity.

Hmm... You've been repeating this statement over and over again "Govt doesnt have you interest at heart" and I keep wondering, what's the relevance / connection between this statement and what I said about 'large projects spanning longer time periods'? Or did I directly or indirectly mention or imply anywhere that the govt had your interest? Is that what we're talking about? Why do you keep repeating the statement to me?

You are talking about building infrastructure when old ones they started are being abandoned. I am not against infrastructural development but let's maintain and complete the ones we have first. They should fix the power issue and declare a state of emergency in both security and Petroleum Industry.

Our youths are into banditory and other criminal acts because there are no jobs and foreign companies are afraid of investing in this country because of power and insecurity.

Michelin left Nigeria for Ghana because of power issue. The same with Dunlop. How long are we going to continue.

Thank God these are written (not spoken) conversations. Please kindly point out where I mentioned in any of my statements that govt should start new projects and abandon old ones? Last time I checked, I've been hammering it to you that the only way major critical economically viable projects can be completed is through continuity, i.e. the new govt taking over and continuing / completing old projects initiated by their predecessors. You see why I say you're being inconsistent?

You keep insisting govt should focus on important issues like power and security; but whilst power is important, it does not water down the importance of having a robust road or rail infrastructure, and neither do these invalidate the urgent need for a revamp in the educational and health sector. You cant expect everything else to be abandoned while govt is working on power.

Our leaders are thieves. They will not give priority to what should be given priority but do only those things they will get a lot of gains from.

Even a toddler in Nigeria knows our leaders are thieves, but like I mentioned above, the need for functional power infrastructure does not invalidate the need for a robust transportation sector. Meanwhile talking about the rails, this is actually one sector the leaders can't exactly steal from cos the loan funds for the rails (unlike every other sector) is not passing through the hands of Nigerian politicians. So what exactly is your case?

TruthinAction:
You are a novice in Nigeria politics. When the they first award the East - West road? Has it been completed till date. There are no projects that can't be completed within eight years period. It all depends on the manpower and capital investment in it.

Besides, is it our priority now? All our refineries are down. The power sector is not working. The level of insecurity is something else. If we have that much money, why not invest it on these areas I just mentioned?

The earlier you know that these set of politicians don't have your interest at heart, the better for you. They are just looking for ways to make money out of most of these projects. What happened to the Ajaokuta steel complex? When was it started? Has it been completed till date.

Huh.. What exactly are you talking about? You're beginning to sound like someone ranting inconsistently and losing focus. What do you mean by political novice? You want bridges to be built overnight?

I told you that large projects take time and money and great political will; the examples you gave (i.e. Ajaokuta plant, East west road, power projects, Lagos Ibadan road etc) are all very sound examples to buttress the point I made to you earlier about big projects needing time, massive funds and political will, but that was just too much for you to comprehend wasn't it?

Nigeria desperately needs infrastructure in form of roads, rails, refineries, power plants, upgrade of power transmission and distribution infrastructure, hospitals, education etc. Contrary to what you might be thinking, these projects are all important and need to be developed concurrently, and since the money to complete them all isn't readily available upfront, it invariably means the projects will be executed slowly. Point being made is that major projects span different tenures.

TruthinAction:
I didn't say so. They have eight years in office. They should start long term project earlier and not at the tail end.

Long term projects that will be completed in 8 years?... Bro, real big projects typically take longer; the only way feats like that can be achieved, especially in an infrastructurally deficit and poor nation like ours is 'continuity'.

Big projects require big planning, and coupled with the excruciating bureaucracy the Nigerian system is plagued with, it's virtually impossible for a new president to get into office and start a major project immediately (regardless of how eager the president is to bring the project to life). In effect, the first 2 - 3 years will be used for planning, and the remaining years for execution. Even in other parts of the world, when you hear construction of a huge project started and finished in say 3 years, what they dont tel you is that planning was going on for 5 years prior to that.

In the anigerian case, besides the fact that there would typically be paucity of funds (cos many other critical projects are competing for the same limited budget), many other inevitable factors delay huge projects. Even Dangote who is a private establishment and who isnt plagued with the typical govt bureaucracies or paucity of funds, has been trying to complete a single refinery since 2012.

In a nutshell, what I'm trying to say is that the only way mega projects can be completed is through continuity.

TruthinAction:
No government should start any project they can't complete in their tenure because it might be abandoned by the next government. Why not use this money to fix most of our federal roads first that are in very bad conditions?

We also need industries for Job creations.

The FG should declare a state of emergency in the Petroleum Industry and power sector. This money can build four new refineries. Steady power is needed for development.

Meanwhile, most of these projects are over inflated and designed to make themselves rich.

In that case, the FG should just be building only classroom blocks and patching highways cos more serious projects typically span several tenures.

ebuk4real:


And that's the exact amount to be pocketed by these crooks. I can stake my left hand that nothing of these will see the light of the day.

Like the op before me said, use this money rather for the viable, tangible & immediate impactful projects like the sea ports & we will know how serious these politicians are.

Bunch of idiots

The rate at which everyone just becomes overnight experts in developmental economics is baffling. The coastal railway will connect all seaports in Nigeria but according to you guys, seaports are important but a railway to ferry bulk goods to the seaport is an IDIOTIC idea? Wow!

From tailor to debt collector...

Coronavirus84:
E no go better for you Jega. You foolishly put us in this mess up in the country by manipulating election result for Buhari and you are telling us rubbish now

All these ever wailing PDP supporters. How did Jega make ApC win? Was he the one that cast millions of votes? Or he should have probably rigged the election for PDP and that would have been a noble deed right?

Hmm... I never knew DCP Abba Kyari was a political appointee of the Buhari government.

What exactly is Reno's obsession with this Kyari guy even about? Some fellows have even turned the Kyari matter to politics of APC vs PDP; never knew before now that Kyari was a politician.

tonyashburton:
One airforce base in the US can boast of more aircraft than the entire Nigeria Air Force has in its inventory.

..and so?

CSTRR:
I also think the Chinese ambassador is being economical with the truth here.

There are real life examples of China taking over nations.

Nations that are now sovereign in name only.

Go to Zambia, the Chinese run them there thanks to debt trap.
It's basically a Chinese colony in Africa.

Go to Sri lanka, China has taken the port of hambantota because they couldn't pay back.
China owns it for the next 100 years.

Go to Gambia, China has wrecked their beaches by industrial extraction of sand, and overfishing of their waterways.
They have taken over Gambia.

These are a few of the Countries in the China debt trap.

If Nigeria does not pay, China will collect one or way or the other.

The only thing that is stopping from being aggressive is because of the west.

The west is watching.

If China takes over our railways and run the sector for the next 100 years, why exactly should that be a concern to me, given the current status of things today? Would it stop ordinary Nigerians from using the trains?

If China takes over ownership of our airport buildings and run them for the next 100 years, how exactly does that affect me negatively in comparison with the way things are run now under the control of Nigerian govt? Will ordinary Nigerians be forced to sit in cargo compartments of planes? Wouldnt the airports and the trains even be managed better than they're currently run?

The so called sovereignty we keep worrying about, of what value has that sovereignty been to me or to any Nigerian in the last 60 years? PRIDE?

Meanwhile the amount Nigeria currently owes China is even less than $5bn; that amount can easily be repaid by even state governments. So why's there so much uproar about these Chinese loans?

The big question is, who in their right senses borrows money without an intention to repay? Why should Nigeria borrow money with an intention to default on the loan? If we can't repay, CHina should hijack whatever they want to hijack; nonsense!

seunny4lif:
Lol
You funny
Guy, the USA has the biggest airforce in the world and the first thing they always do is use a new fighter jet by testing them in Middle East.
If those jets are powerful as you said, the USA airforce will not debate on them to replace A-10, they will just replace them.

Just pray make BH no shot am down else I go quote you

Stop glorifying ignorance please...

seunny4lif:
You don’t even answer my question
Is the USA airforce using it?
All USA bases have it best fighters jets upfront
Any jets the USA is not using as frontline is not good enough
Simple

Someone posted a report stating the US air force is now acquiring these light attack aircraft, yet you still asking if the US uses it?.... Maybe they must have acquired the planes to grind beans right? Meanwhile you even agree the US still actively uses the A-10 Warthogs, a simple google search should have told you theres a debate to replace the A-10s with Tucanos.

By the way, lets even assume the US airforce doesnt use it, does it make the planes useless?... Several posts on this thread already explained how these light planes are far more advantageous than the more sophisticated F16s, 22s, etc in counter insurgency (COIN) operations, which is exactly the peculiar problem Nigeria faces today, but somehow you still just dont get it right? It must be F16s.

Again, do you know those more sophisticated planes you keep insisiting on cost at least 20 times more than these tucanos? Do you know they also cost at least 20 times more to operate and maintain? Does your country have that kind of money or we just have to go for them because US has sophisticated planes? Why's there so much bitterness and negativity in this thread?

harmony75:
he's trying to pass the msg to anyone so it's left for us to act so you enjoy what's going on what have you done are you even speaking up against the bad government!

Oga this has nothing to do with the bad govt; this is just a case of a deranged man acting up against innocent people and you're here endorsing his deranged action because he mentioned 'bad govt'?

If I walk up to you on the road and give you a dirty slap because you're Nigerian and I'm angry with the Nigerian govt, I guess you'd also endorse my actions because the Nigerian govt is bad right?

Are the Nigerian footballers the 'Nigerian govt'? Last time I checked, these sports people represent 'Nigeria' (i.e. you and me), they dont represent the Nigerian govt.

This one is obviously high on some weird substance. So because a govt is bad, it's now the the fault of the Olympic team cos they represent Nigeria? Or he expects athletes to stop being athletes (or Nigerians) because he doesn't approve of the govt?

He even goes to the point of bluntly insulting the athletes, and some people on this thread still dont think he's done any wrong?

Misplaced aggression is pure stupidity, and any one who endorses his action obviously falls in same category.

YorubaKinging:
The end is near

So also we have Been warning the people that you're a false prophet, a very evil man.

If you see what this man do in secret, he's worse than the devil

Inside his private jet, he's always balling drinking alcohol, with the stewardess

But God is against the false prophets and will not be named in the congregation of the saints

Where did you get this info from? Where do people churn up these moronic stories from?

omohayek:
This argument makes absolutely no sense. The only thing Dangote has done "better than others" is bribe and pressure Nigerian leaders from Obasanjo onwards, to ensure no new market entrants can threaten his monopolies, and instead of attempting to refute the facts (which are indisputable), or giving an economic justification, you point to his "smartness" in rigging the market as some sort of indicator of virtue!


This is a blatant falsehood, as profusely documented by too many domestic and foreign observers over the decades.


You claim that the Nigerian govt has been begging investors with "juicy incentives", but fail to mention any of these incentives that are supposedly so "juicy" they would outweigh the fact that the Nigerian government has never allowed petrol prices to be set by the free market. Please provide the list of "juicy" incentives that would get anyone to invest billions of USD in refining products that would then have to be sold below cost. Economic insanity is no "incentive" to anyone who isn't being heavily subsidised at taxpayers expense.


No, it's on you for assuming everyone else is an economic illiterate who can be bamboozled with empty "haters gonna hate" rhetoric in the place of facts and economic reasoning, neither of which you have any to share.

At least you agree there's something he does better than the others; whether it's lobbying the govt or outright bribing. Other participants in the game (his competition) also do exactly the same unethical things he does (i.e. bribe, lobby, manipulate etc.), but somehow he always beats them to it. When I said there's something he does better than the others, I never said the acts were ethical, and neither was I defending his brutal monopoly (if that's what's getting you worked up). I was only acknowledging his undeniable genius in pulling off these heists ahead of his equally unethical competitors.

omohayek:
There's nothing particularly "smart" about always getting the best possible terms from an interventionist government, often at the expense of would-be competitors, and almost always in the form of government subsidies, both hidden and direct. The real issue is the foolishness of all those who defend this paradigm of limitless greed even though they aren't even being paid to do so.

When a person repeatedly wins a price which everyone covets, I'm sorry it's not by chance; there's definitely something hes doing better than others... In every competition in life, all participant wants to win, but not everyone can. It's unfortunate if you cant see the role of 'smartness' in those who somehow win against the odds, irrespective of who the umpire is.

Those incentives offered by the govt are usually open to all. Since the days of OBJ, the Nigerian govt has been begging investors with juicy incentives to come build refineries, but everyone's been shying away from it, preferring to just import and make quick safe profits. With Dangote diving in and now about to enjoy the juicy benefits, you're hating on him and saying he isnt smart? Was he the one who stopped others (including successive administrations) from building refineries?

It's a pity you actually think I'm foolish (or defending a monopoly) for stating an obvious fact; the joke is on you bro.

Basicend:
Dangote has always enjoyed monopolistic market and that's is because he knows the keys to the government.

He is not a genius per say but a government manipulator.

If I have such privileges , I will be equally successful.

I beg to differ; Dangote is an extremely smart genius; that explains why he always wins whilst everyone else queues behind him to lament....

The backward integration policy which is about to make Dangote the sole importer of petroleum products has been in existence since 2005. The backward integration policy states that once there's substantial local production capacity, import licences will be renewed for only players who have established local production (or refining) plants. The idea is to encourage big players to set up local production plants instead of relying on import import and import.

The big question now is, why does everyone always wait for Dangote to be the first to take advantage of these policies, only to return and start lamenting Dangote's success? This policy has been there since 2005; govt has been begging big oil players to take licenses and build refineries, but instead, everyone else chose easy profits through importation. Now Dangote os about stealing the entire market share by merely being the 'smartest', we already have fellows lamenting.

Using ones influence to get a telecommunications company to plant a mast in a community that struggles with network, that definitely can be counted as an achievement for the project influencer. I'm however not sure of the tape cutting part though...

mrvitalis:
LMAO which can lame excuse he this one

First of all, what I said wasnt an 'excuse', rather it was an answer to your question..... Secondly, there's nothing lame about what I said; too bad you cant fathom it. Most Profs have PhDs, but that doesn't mean you MUST have a PhD before becoming a Prof. Several folks already mentioned that in this thread. Even Prof Soyinka I think only has honorary doctorates.

All over the world, there's no law saying you must have a PhD before being a Prof; of course Nigeria also operated with this system back in the days when PYO and co became Profs. Those stringent rules on PhDs, 10 years teaching experience etc are more recent developments imposed by the 'Nigerian System'; the same Nigerian retrogressive system that makes it next to impossible to even get a PhD in 3 years in Nigerian institutions.,

mrvitalis:
Osibanjo became a professor without any known accepted PhD certificate from any accredited school in the world

And wasn't a full time lecturer for at least 10 years that's required so how did he become a professor of law

I need someone to explain

He became a professor cos he's a genuis.

gidgiddy:
Oh I see. Kanu and Uwazurike started Radio Biafra way back in London in 2009, but they decided to wait for 6 years for APC to be formed, and for Buhari to be elected, before they start broadcasting?

They way some people reason is incredible

Kanu was the head of IPOB and was already calling for Biafra as early as 2013/2014 when PDP was still fully in power. You can't really judge him based on PDP vs. APC politics; he's been very consistent in his beliefs. The only thing one can say however is that 99% of his die-hard followers today, only started following him after PDP lost out in 2015.

thebosstrevor1:
Below is a video of the imprisoned Ipob terrorist leader Nnamdi kanu fighting for one Nigeria during the Goodluck Jonathan PDP presidency. . He was peaceful and nice....until APC came to power, i think he wanted to make a name by all means possible which made made him go crazy and radicalised.

Nnamdi kanu was the organising committee member that organised protesters in the Uk against the killings in the north by boko haram, during that period he wanted a peaceful and one Nigeria.

This is one of Nnamdi kanu videos and protest fighting for one Nigeria in 2012.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_-e20VWNKU&feature=youtu.be

Jack Obinyan-Buhari wrote:

#IPOB #MASSOB #BDA
IN 2012 IT WAS "NIGERIA" AND NOT A "ZOO"
Nnamdi Kanu was ALL FOR NIGERIA in 2012 (off course with his Southern brother Jonathan in power) he was one of those who led protests AGAINST BOKO HARAM to the Nigerian Embasy in London in February 2012...In short let me just quote him.

"My name is Nnamdi Kanu and the reason why we are here today, is to protest the killing of innocent women and children and men for that matter all over NIGERIA especially in the Northern Part of Nigeria"
We are not happy, we are not pleased with what is happening and that is why we are here today, as you can see there are a lot of Nigerians who are protesting about the killing of families"

"People who are determined to tear the COUNTRY apart violently and it is not something that we support, it is not something that we will like to see contmue"

...In his defence, he actually changed his united Nigeria stance, fully declared for IPOb and even became the IPOB leader sometime in 2013/2014 (when GEJ was still very much in power). And sadly, there's nothing he said in that video regarding the security situation of Nigeria which has changed for the better even in 2021.

heniford2:
look at the total amount borrowed from China which the said was fixed in railroad and the type of Rail the we bought is that kind of rail standard look at the our International Airport renovation the amount fixed in doing so can even be used to build new one, have (4) four refinery in the country only one is working in a slow motion we have 4 sea port only one is in function, that railway that is not substandard that was commission maintenance towards it is not guarantee is like buy a car which we will end up being dump.

The government borrow should be of greater important stuff we borrow to pay salaries and etc the next government that will take over will still borrow again to find infrastructure and health which the government has forgotten to me the Chinese loan are of no benefit because we borrow to build nonsense can't we have super railways have you travel out before you will curse that stuff China built for us

I'm not sure I understand the direction you're heading to with your comment. At first you said the Chinese built substandard railway, and then you started talking about seaports and 4 non-functional refineries; please can you explain the connection between these things you're saying and Chinese loans? Meanwhile the total funds borrowed from China so far is less than $5bn, are you basically saying this loan is the source of Nigeria's troubles?

Regarding the standard of the rails, the new railways built by CCECC between Abuja and Kaduna, and between Lagos and Ibadan are 'STANDARD GAUGE RAILS' obtainable in any part of the world. They are as modern as any rail can be, and they were built to international modern rail standards. Where did you get this impression that they are substandard? Are you knowledgeable in railway engineering to know this?

heniford2:
the formal government borrowed know this one is doubling it and are borrowing too from the Chinese the Chinese are not giving us sub standard like the once the use and owing to them means the other way round, is very bad very bad.

I'm not sure I understand your point; are you suggesting Chinese construction is substandard? The previous government borrowed from China, and the current government is also borrowing from China. You might even be surprised to know that the last govt actually borrowed more from China than the current admin has borrowed from China.

Like I mentioned before, these Chinese loans still remain the best ever loans to ever happen to Nigeria; the loans come with no draconian conditions (like IMF forcing Nigeria to devalue Naira or increase fuel price etc) and the loan amount is not given to Nigerian govt officials in cash (which means that no kleptomaniac Nigerian official gets to touch or steal the money).

Nigeria currently owes a total of over $80bn, and the Chinese loans makes up less than $5bn of that amount. Have you ever wondered why its only projects from the less than $5bn Chinese loans that are visible (i.e. railways, airport renovation)? What exactly was the other ~$75bn used for (your guess is as good as mine)? You see the reason i say the Chinese loans are the best thing to happen to Nigeria?