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@May Kelly:

When a child is of age and fully understand that He/She is created by God, then there will be call for Repentance- simply put "to Be BORN AGAIN" according to the Son Of GOD CHRIST JESUS. "except a man be born again he will not see the kingdom of GOD"

What is that age? And those who died before Jesus, what happens to them, in the day of Judge,? Please note that the statement that you quoted, supposedly made by Jesus covers all times; before during and after him. So I asked you about the people before him; what is their faith? We did not hear or read about Adam making any blood sacrifice. How will he be saved since he was not born again. Come to thing of it, Adam was never born. And so was Eve. What happened to these people who never were born and never were born again and never made blood sacrifice? How would Ibrahim, who God called His friend but never was born again escape ire? How would Noah who by his prayer God wiped out generation be saved? How will Moses who heard God voice directly be saved, since he was nt born again?

How will John and his father Zachariah be saved, since we did not read about them being of people who made blood sarifices and never were born again? But ironically, it was John in the Bible who baptised Jesus! Whats the condition of John in this case? Will the baptiser of Jesus go to hellfire? Think hard before you respond. For me, if baptism is what qualified a man for paradise, John has more leverage and authority than Jesus.

So being Born again is expected when you are of age knowing GOOD from EVIL. Being BORN AGAIN simply means turning away from Evil totally and accept CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD AND UR SAVIOUR WHO DIE FOR YOUR SINS.
Therefore you need not to sacrifice a lamb, goat, chicken etc as our father Abraham did for the washing of sins.

Your sonship claim is more mythical than reality. From Adam, all the way to John and his father, none claimed that God has a son who the Children of Israel nations/world should be expecting. Jesus himself did not declare himself in such a manner or title. The Christians had to let him be lifted up before such concortment of fallacy. ake sure you remember that the lifting up of Jesus was not by the power of Jesus. He had none, but rather by the mighty power f God the Almighty.

All you need to do is to pray a sincere prayer, of course we know that GOD sees the heart of a Man. If one confesses to be a born again and He/She is not Genuine "CHRIST SAID "BY THEIR FRIUT YOU SHALL KNOW THEM" so is left for GOD WHO SEES IN SECRET TO FISH OUT THE TRUE PEOPLE OF GOD.

The reality is that only God Almighty knows who is worshipping Him. But God has laid down the process of worship and the laws to follow, in the books given to the prophets. THose who lived in the time of Moses were not governed by Jesus and what he brought. And they were not aware of Jesus. Those who lived in the time of Jesus were no longer governed by Moses and what he brought, except what are carry- overs to Jesus rulings, etc. Of course, these people in time of Jesus were aware of Moses.

Finally we who are now living in the time of Mu/h/m/mmad, even though are aware of all of these mighty past prophets and messengers are not governed by them. Though these men brought great message and laws, we are governed by the same message, but uptodate final laws and commandments given to M/u/h/mmad alone. The laws and commandments of all of them before M/u/haa/mad were invalid and nullified with clear abrogations in the Qu/r'/n and Hadith/Sunnah. Unless they were carry overs, no one should observe the old ad abandoned laws.

For example the Jews do not eat beef and drink milk in the same meal. But if you are an ethnic Jew, and became a mu/sli/m, you can eat beef and drink milk, both in one meal. The Jews do not eat hindquarter or leg of animal. If you are a mu/s/lim, its all good eating.

The celebration of passover which the Jews and Christians observe, is not existing in I/sl/am. All of these are pure liberation from old culture and rituals. I/s/lam cancelled al of them. But the prophets are in the memories and are prophets of I/sl/am. Afterall, Jesus was never a christian, now a starter of any religion. Jesus was from the nations of the children of Israel. You call them Jews. But Jesus did not practiced Judaism as a relgion, and neither did Moses. If they did, please tell me what sect were they?

@mazaje:

Bed time fables , oouch even educated people believe in all these myths Chie no be small thing ohhh.

Obviously, you read the piece. Thats enough. If you die without being a m/u/slim, that piece will be a witness, in part against you. If you accept Is/la/m then the piece benefitted someone, at least.

Don't die unless you are in state of Is/la/m.

@Huxley: Simple. Lets look at your case. If there is no medium like Nairaland to bring us together, I would not have known about your atheist mindset. Your disbelieving mind had to be exposed for even a man in New York City to see, while at the same time all others, who participate on this board, can understand your deviance, all at the same time.

But yet, some are appealing to your basic human dignity, in truth while others think that they are doing the same without knowing that they are in manifest error, in a different degree. Your test is now that you accept guidance and worship God in truth. The fire of hell has been mentioned to you, brought near in reality to your mind. So also is Paradise. You are now aware of not just work, good work in your case, I hope. But a reason to do that good work: God Almighty. But finally, you are now required to worship this One God in complete truth, the way He requires you to worship Him. You will find this way in what the lasted Prophet left behind: Qu/r'a/n and Sunnah and Hadith.

See, since you are not a Prophet/Messenger like Ibrahim, you need not be tested with commandment to sacrifice your loved one. The apple of your eyes. All you are required to do is simple to worship God in truth, in the way He has commanded mankind to worship Him alone. And do as much of good work as you have the capacity to do. Yet all of thse do not stop you from scientific mastery and living a good life.

But the devil is never far and always near. The devil is never tired of planting the seed of deceit: I hope you are aware of his presence. Try to work away from him. Mankind never is save from his deceitful effort. Except if one is a true believer. Don't fail in your test, ultimately. But a person who died denying the existence of God, saying that God is a tribal God, saying God is 3 in 1 or one in three, etc are all disbelievers. And including a fellow who will tag himself as "Evil genius," All and me need repentance and guidance of God.

Huxley; don't die unless you are in the state of I/S/lam.

My email is aqeedahfirst@yahoo.com

My skype address is lfhb_maw

@the poster: The breaking of skin, tatooing, and the likes are against the commandment of God. All//ah talks against all kinds of body and appearance changes, modifications, disfigurations, etc. Finally one of the group of people who will be shaded under the Throne of Almighty Allah in the day of Judgement, will be believers who did not break their own skin.

If you simply do a search on Google and enter "tattooing and appearance change in Qu/r'a/n" you will find the truth.


1. Allah Ta'ala says:
 

"Shaitaan said: 'I will teach them to ruin the  appearance made by Allah. " (Surah Nisaai)

Examples of ruining the appearances bestowed onto us by Allah Ta'ala are shaving the beard, tattooing,  women cutting their hair, etc.  Different rules apply to the changing of appearances.  Certain changes are prohibited as mentioned above.  Certain changes pertain to adornment and are  waajib (compulsory), e.g. clipping of the mustache, cutting nails, removal of the hairs below the naval  and under the arms. Other Changes are permissible, e.g, for a man to shave  his head, to cut  the beard after it had exceeded a fist-length, etc.  Such permissible ways of adornment are decided on  by the Shariah and not by custom. Custom is not on  par with Sharaii  . Furthermore customs is subject to  change with the times and attitudes of people, but  not so the Shariah  .


2. Allah Ta'ala says:


"Do not incline to the transgressors-for then the Fire will touch you." (Surah rah Hood)

The Qur'aan prohibits Muslims from inclining (or adopting) to the ways, cultures and customs of the Nonbeliever, Inclining towards them is punishable by the Fire of Jahannum as is stated in the above aayat. It is evident that if one adopts a culture or the ways of a particular people, it will be because of one's pleasure for such ways and customs. The heart having inclined towards the aliens, adopts their ways which it finds pleasing and attractive. But, Islam forbids its followers to incline towards the transgressors and the kuffaar.

2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Apart from the silencing and giving women a lesser personhood status, by the Bible, which Q/u/r'an does not subscribe to, considering that in worship of God man and woman is giving equal personal responsibility.

But what is so interesting is that as in above Biblical verses, we see that women are tagged in a way that it demeans our mothers, whose womb is blessed. Is/l/am does not put the fault of approaching of the tree in Paradise squarely omn Eve, and absorbing Adam of any fault. And Is//l/am does not curse women with any form of curse because of it.

If we consider safety from curse by childbearing, etc, it will seem as if God did not complete man/woman, until this important tragic event in their lives. We know thats not true.

Unfortunately, you use the wrong book and give the wrong son's name. There is no way that the second son, even coming from the first wife can be the only son/child of the father!

With this in mind, i will touch up why Ibrahim was tested about Ismail, the first son, hence qualified to be the only son at sometime, before the birth of his younger brother Isiaqa. But how old was Isiaqa at the time of sacrifice? We must also consider that Sarah was told that Isiaqa qill be born and Isiaqa will even have a son named Yaqub. It is not possible therefore, for God to promise something which has not been fulfilled and then bring about a commandment which will make His own promise impossible. God does not deal like that. Hence the idea that it is Isiaqa (Issac) as the son of sacrifice, is not visible. It is weak and totally, unacceptable.

Coming back to Ibrahiim, we know that he left his people because of their disbelief in One True God, who needs no associations. As he left his people, insearch of god, and the true process of worship of Him, God tested him as he had tested every Prophet and believers before him. God did not test him out of the ordinarily or arbitrarily. God tested him in measure according to his capability, with a safety system for him to fall upon.

First, the mother of the son to be sacrificed is young and capable of childbearing. Unlike the old, past productive age sarah, hajar was very submissive and patient. You will expect that with a wife who is extremely younger than the husband. Trust me. I am talking from experience. Ismaila to his father must have represented a great attachment and attestation of Ibrahim's fatherhood/manhood. God tested him on the love of that worldly attachment to his son. Afterall he had left his known enviroment to unknown and unfamiliar enviroment. He was also tested to separate this son and his young mother from the primary house to an enviroment which he will have to sacrifice a period for its journey to see them.


Unlike the Christian and jewish beliefs, Ibrahim did not abandoned Ismaila and his mother Hajah. He continued to see them and they had a good family relationship. A proof of that is that Ka'aba was built by Ibrahim and was helped by Ismaila in this cause. We know that only a person much older than an infant can help in building a structure. Its more like around teenage years for something like this to begin, anyway. Further proof is that Jacob and his progenies and further generations of the children of Israel were very familiar with the live of Ismaila. If thee were no contact with Ibrahim, Isiaqa, Yakuub with Ismaila, this could not have been possible, through the generation.

Finally, the rite of that sacrifice is part of what the Mu/s/lims carry on in Hajj and Umrah throughout the ages, without any interruptions, over 1400 years now and climbing. As we know, if it has been Isiaqa as the son of sacrifice, the M/us/lims, specifically the last Prophet/messenger (as), would not hesitate to let everyone know. Afterall, he declared that mariam, the mother of jesus is the best woman, ever. This is over his own mother, Amina, his wife, khadijah Qubra, his daughter, Fatima Zarah, and the only virgin he ever knew, Aisha and any of the Arab women, specifically is aunts, etc from the Quraishi tribes.


The Jews and the christians, specifically the Christians on Nairaland will not forget that he was accused as to talk so much about the Prophets/Messengers and indeed the children of Israel, as a whole. All of these show that Isiaqa, could never be the son of sacrified. If he were the jews and the Christians would have been observing and marking the event yearly. Funny enough, the orthodox, the coptic in Egypt just celebrated Easter yesterday. Far out, man.

@m_nwankwo: What is interesting about you, is that you are neither here or there. You fluctuate between incomplete belief in the ability of One true God, at least in your tieing Jesus to be equal or son, and even the "holy ghost," which can not properly defined. Jesus was not more than a mere human being, regardless of his birth process. It is your lack of complete belief of that One God, that has led you to the idea that the religious beliefs maybe flawed, because you can see a Scientific process that proof some kinda "cluster group" human ascensory. I guess you are isolating Science away from religion.

That maybe true, in the case of Christianity and Judaism. It is very cleart hat a scientist should not necessarily be a true believer in God, based on the scientific knowledge he has. And those who truly believe in One God should not be true scientists. Both statements, I draw from your post above. Unfortunately, you have no inkling of Is/lam. You would have recognised that Religion and Science and all branches of knowledge are not in disagreement at all.The very first revelation to Mu/h/ammad (as) consisted of 5 short verses. In them knowledge was commanded. Investigation was commanded. Human creation was commanded. Teaching was commanded. In all of these God is placed at the center.



For if it was not by the mercy of God on mankind, there would not have been an allowance for knowledge and discovery of things. I could present a long thesis about God to you, and in it I will disregard all others as having no power of their own, individually and or cumulatively comparitively to God. Afterall, M/u/hammad had to die like every human, based on what the Qu/r'an states. Jesus will have to return and dies like what is expected of "son of man!" Moses who ost heard the voice of God, without Angel as the carrier of the speech died. And so was Ibrahim (as) who is known as friend of All/ah. Noah died, even though he was saved from a perulios flood. Eve died who was was the first to be created genetically. Adam (as) died who was the first to evolve in an evolutionary way from admixture of soil and water.


All of these will happen, and all animals will die. The Angels will all die, including Michael, Gabreil, Angel of death, etc. Satan the Jinn that tormented and seduced mankind so much from the comandments of A/lla/h in varied degrees will die. All that will remain is God Almighty Himself. And there will be recreation by Him of all things for Judgement day.

Yet, in all of these above, you still cling to "cluster group" first human idea, instead of isolated single Adam, and the Eve from them all clear sign? This is why I said you are neither here nor there; never a believer in truth in how you orientate your idea.

For the fun of it, please tell me how did your cluster group of first human happen? And why has not been a repeat of it since? Finally, how do belief that the Soul is from God, not an evolutionary substance? But the body of man is evolutionary, yet both combined to form the man alive, whereas God said that He created man uniquely and not from evolutionary form? Don't you know that God created everything, unique and not evolutionary from other creations? The lack of undertanding of the complete ability of God to do this, is why you are truly in doubt of the Power and Might of Him.

@May Kelly:

Off course a m.u.s.l.i.m ( sons of belial) would not be found in Heaven, so there is no need for you to fret and be obstinate about Heaven,

My father was Hamzah Pakulpa of Ijebu Ode. I never heard anyone called him Belial. May kelly, my Dad (ra) has been dead long time. Where is your Belial? And Belial can not enter makka, where my father was buried.

Stop to think of it: there are 7 heavens. Which one are you going to be found? And so that you know none of them is Paradise! In the words of Gene Wilder in the "Frisco kid" flick, you take the heavens and Mu/s/lim will take Paradise.

From the Qu/r'an, we read that Adam (as), the first man, contrary to the belief of Huxley, was created after all things were created. That included the creation of Hell, the focus of this thread. The proof of it was that after his creation, God Almighty gave him knowledge about things created, which God did not give to Angels. As a result of this distinction of Adam over the Angels, at that time, God commanded them to prostrate to Adam. This obedience of command is to God alone. But Satan who was a jinn nature in the community of Angels had the free will, just like humans. He refused. This was the test to reveal his inner condition, because he was very jealous of Adam.

But Satan was the only one saved from his generation, which was destryed before the creation of Adam. So Satan was just a temporary good, until Adam was created whereby his hatred was unleashed against Adam as indicated above, in disobedience to God. And after Eve was created and both mates were heralded into Paradise, Satan seduced them into going to the tree which they have been forbidden.

But as the husband and wife were sent down from heaven to earth, a place where their progenies can now be delivered, raised, lived to undergo the trial for which they were designed to go through by the design of God, Satan was also sent down out of heaven. But satan was never in Paradise. So his process of seduction of Adam and Eve to go to the tree in Paradise was by suggestion; putting the process in whispering into their mind. ( Paradise is diffrerent; but within the sphere we call heaven here on earth. In actuality, paradise is beyond heaven. But heaven is not Paradise/ not all heaven is paradise. Remember the 7 layers of heaven).

On earth, Adam and Eve got favors from God. First, they were inspired to seek forgiveness. And God accepted their repentance. The truth is that by A/llah, they will not go to hellfire. Hence the original sin is dead! There is nothing original about it. But Satan never seek forgiveness. Instead he became more and more determined to lead astray the progeny of Adam. No wonder we see most disbelieving the existence of God. Or worshipping images/idols, graven images, physically or that of the heart. Or worshipping multiple head god. Or having a lukewarm process of worshipping. Or being deviant in every manner.

As stated above, Adam/mankind was the last to be created. So Hellfire must have been created prior. But i wonder how the OT kinda missed that. Or maybe as according to a response, they used to call it Hedean in their time? This is puzzling. But interestingly, where would the dead among the tyranical pharaoh and him go, but fire of Hell? Where would the dead among the children of israel who worshipped the golden calf end up, in the day of Judgement other than hellfire? Inshort, where would the disobedients end up before Jesus told the Children of Israel, according to the topic? Would the people who perished in Noah's flood not be inmates of hellfire? Would the Sodomites of Sodom and Gomorrah not end up there as well? Will Nemarod who threw Ibrahim in raging inferno be spared of hell?

Again, am grateful to God the Almighty that I am a mu/s/lim. There is none to be worshipped except God Almighty A/l/lah. The One, Everlasting and Controller of all things. The Lord of the Throne Supreme. The One who is the Judge of the day of judgement. The One who is never tired, never weary and never dies.

Reading the posting of Sisikill about Job, I am grateful to God that I am a M/us/lim. The presentation about Job, an elect and Prophet of Almighty God is so warped. It begs and deviates from true understanding of what a prophet is.

Do you guys think the title belongs to just any John Doe? God elected His prophets. And the prophets and messengers knew that they were elected. And about Job, from the Qur'an, we read that he was never weary at no time about the protection of God. He was even ashamed to ask God to cure him. Even though his wife was making demand that he supplicated to his Lord for cure. The devil was quick at trying to suggest to him that maybe God has abandoned him. But with all of these pressure, Job never stopped praising God. Even when all he could nove was his eyes and his tongue.

In due time God commanded the Gabriel to Job at the dump site where he was abandoned because of the odor that comes out of him as a result of all the combined ailments that afflicted him, which included the rottenness of his skin. Gabreil insructed him that he should use the heel of his foot to strike the soil that water will gush out for the cure of his illness. Job was even too weak for that. But with great encouragement, as he needed to participate in his own wellness, he struck the dirt and water came out immediately.

From this water, the washed his body. The body immediately healed, as if no desease has ever affected him. He drank from this water and regained his full strenght, and became a young man. But before the beginning of his trial, Job was over 80 years old. But he only suffered a fraction of it. A total of about 8 years.

As his miracle began, after the trial, his wife had also became very young, so as to complement his new look. This is miracle from A/llah. I wonder how you, sisikill could truly say that such a man, a Prophet did not know or understand God? If he did not, who else coul; Jesus, who your Bible claimed to have cried out about why God had forsaken him? Didn't Moses know that he was a Prophet? Of course. Only in the Bible do we read that elects of God in prophethood/messengership are denied their rightful places and positions. Sometimes they are just simply demeaningly called Patriachs! Shameful really.

Did you ever know of any prophet who never knew about him being an elect of God? Again, do you know God, since you claimed that Job lacked the true understanding of God? Are you better than Job or rather are you one of those who call themselves Prophets without authority?

@Huxley: Your only escape route is to label whatever is beyond your grasp, rubbish.

Now tell me how did creation of things all happened, Mr. big bang theory? I guess we will never know how the matter in the theory came to place and how the force came into being for the Bang? Can you expalin that?

I am sure that everyone in your family look s exactly like the next person in family? That includes the gender, uh? Think man and your question above about the aborigine, etc, including african is rendered useless.

@Huxley: Wouldn't the incest thing turn your hypothesis (not theory by my own account) of evolution over its shaky head? Of course. The truth is that Adam and Eve had 20 sets of twins, plus one single birth, to replace Kabila (Abel) who was killed. The twenty men married the twenty women. They had children who were cousins of one another of their generational birth by their parents, uncles and aunts.

Then these children married and had more children, whereby increasing the population of mankind. It was a practice for people of these early generations to marry even their own siblings, except the child born from the same pregnancy.

Later on in the time of Prophet Idris, marriage between brother and sister was abrogated. This was before Prophet Noah.

So Huxley, you see the power of the Creator in play? Yet you do from the children of Adam and Eve in this present age so many shades and hues. But I do think you will say you personally is an offshoot of Monkey or some kind of ape, right?

Glory to A/llah who in the first verse of Chapter 4 (Surah Nisaa) confirms mankind of different hues from a singular origin: Adam. No wonder the Evolutionist have not been able to say that the Pig developed and turned to man!

@Huxley:

The fact that you cannot think of any practical use of this research is only a limitation of your mind and does not make the research result any less true. First, let's look at the non-practical aspects this research reveals;

1) All humans originate from Africa

How many types of humans are you talking about, except what those who belief in the existence of God call Adam and Eve and their progenies? Further, could you give us the boundary of the "Africa" you are talking about when the prior to the origination, immediately after it and just before humans began to migrate to the rest of the world. Will this Africa of yours exclude the land that is now cut off from the larger land mass that remain, after the SUEZ Canal was constructed?

2) The migratory patterns of humankind
3) The dangers the human race faces here on the planet

And the migratory patterns of man is really your concern? But fail to even acknowledge the existence of God Who created them, shephard them and gave them survival knowledge to outsmart the more fiarce animals and harsh climate which could have easily doomed this specie known as human. Yet you do not see that humans are their own worse enemies. The animals have not been able to conquer man. But man have been able to conquer man and creat calamitous condition for himself. Part of it is arrogance of knowledge. You have actually exibited that here. All those who deny the existence of God can do is to postulate hypothesis, which they prematurely call theories. And in time when the theory fails, they will shift the goal yet again.

The practical usefulness could be as follows;

1) At a philosophical level, this result is a powerful counterpoint to arguments of racial superiority

Is this your concern really? Let me assure you that no one will be spared of death and consequently of judgement day based on race. But you live in England. How do you cope with the colonizers who you are in their mist? Take heart, man.

2) Knowing the various links in our past gives us the means to develop therapies targeted at special local and regional variation of diseases.

Could anything be enviromental? If there is, then your link hypothesis dies off. Here in America, the Children of the Fulanis or the Asiatic Indians are now meatier, unlike their parents who may gain so flesh, but still lighter weight than somebody in their normal body frame, who are indegenous Americans. The result of this change is simply because of more nourishing food, etc.

3) The planet earth faces many cosmic threats from global warming, to asteriod impacts, to supervolcanoes etc. These threats have been know to exterminate whole plant/animal species in the past. If the human population could bounce back from a population of about 2000, then we know what it takes to keep us from being wiped out. Face with a similar problem again, I think with this konwledge we would resist the travails of nature better.

It is mankind, in his arrogance is the one spelling his own perulous end. Come to think of it, could lack of belief in God be one of man's greatest calamities? Of course. But God is so powerful that He brought about mankind from a single sould, yet before this soul was nothing but dirt/soil.

Can you think of some more?

@Huxley: Whatever my problem or problems, the fact is that 70,000 years ago is much earlier than 10,000 years ago. Since you are the one who is unsettled about the existence of One God the Creator, then the place where man began its dwelling on the surface of the earth and how long man has been here, your argument turned over its head by your own posts.

If you fail in one, then there is no assurance that you are not failing in others. First, you should realise that once the land mass of the earth was not as it is now. the continental divide was nearly not in existence. You can see how part of South America fits snoggly to the western side of African coast. That should tell you something. Further middleeast was land connected to the African mass prior to Suez Canal. Your lack of putting these known facts into consideration must have a great place in your wrong conclusion about existence ofthe first man on the continent of Africa, especially since you could not provide the bondary/boarder of Africa, when man , Adam and his wife Eve appeared on earth.

To proof my point, even though it is not addressing the issue of Adam and Eve directly, but it provides a window to my statement about indistinct boarder/boundary. Bilkis, known in the Bible as Queen Sheba rules over Ethiopia in the time of King Solomon. But her burial place is in a small town outside Ijebu Ode in Ogun State of Nigeria. Now tell me how did that occur, except that her Kingdom must have extended up to the p-lace of her burial at least? Considering that there is no record that she was captured and dethrowned throughout her reign.

But very interestingly, her territory extended all the way to Yemen. This is the additional information that one will get from the Qu/r'an, which the Bible completely lacks. So much for copying from the Bible. And by the way, Huxley are you aware that Queen sheba travelled to Jerusalem to meet King Solomon? Where did she use as a route? It was never reported that she took any water routh, but a land route. Finally, the M/uslims had minor Hijra (migration), from Makka to Ethiopia, in the years before the final migration to Madina. How did they make it, except that it was by land. And just to let you know that your argument is completely deficient, is Bakassi, an island off mainland West Africa, not what Nigeria and Cameroun fought in the World Court as part of their individual territory? Is Madagascar not part of Africa?

Mr. Huxley, I am waiting for your improved understanding on the Continental boundary of Africa of Adam and Eve. Let me hear from you, Atheist/Agnostic scholar.

@Huxley:

How does any of the above non-sense show that the origin of mankind is Africa. All you just said was quote recent past events or old untestable (or unproveable) history and mythology. The oldest of the old event in the bible/k-ran is no more than 10000 years old.

From your post on "Human being being product of incest," you claimed that by insuniation that Adam/Eve era, as the first man/woman could not have been more than 10,000 years ago. But in your introduction of this thread, above, you spoke about the tragedy that almost wiped out humans at about 70, 000 years ago.

If I just compare the two statement, it is obvious that 70,000 is way more and earlier than 10,000! Further one will see that you can have a near extinction, unless you have been existing before the contion that brought about the calamity developed. In essence, it proves that human, have been in existence over 70,000 years and Adam and Eve, their parents must hae existed much, much earlier! Or does anyone exist as a progeny earlier than their forebearers?

You can see how faulty your Atheist and Agnostics ideas are. This alone is enough for a sound mind to quit fooling himself about denial of the existence of God. When you guys can even get the timeline of human existence versus the events that happened to them correctly, without shooting yourself in the foot, you should know that its time to face reality.

@Nossycheek: Since you don't know, you just swallow whatever was given to you, by the puppet masters of the worldwide web. I asked if you know anything about Aisha, your response tells me that you know nothing about her.

Imagine if I said I knew you well, but don't even know about your motherhood. Will I be telling the truth? I ask you again, how old was Aisha when her father Abu Bakr (ra) became a musl/im and how old was the prophethood of Mu/hammad? There are tons of questions, but these will do so that you will know about the 6 years and 9 years fallacy the enemies of i/slam have tried to keep going!

@Cgift: Its important that you read it though, instead of copping out. Afterall, your salvation depends on how you end up in the end. When you make such a big accusation, you should not expect a defense to be a one liner. That will be deficient.

The thing you should also remember that God allows satan to have power over some prophets, even if temporarily. From the Bible, satan was controlling Jesus when he drove him into the wilderness. Satan also had ways with Jesus by suggesting that he flies off the cliff. Thats according to the bible. Also we see how h was teasing him with food and worldly possessions. (And God Almighty knows that I do not believe any of these from the Bible; but I have to use them as references in this argument).

M/uhammad only contemplated and had not even reached the top of the mountain. The intervention of God in this case of M/uhammad is more superior and quicker than allowing Jesus to be at the apex of the cliff! Mu/hammad did not say that the Satan appeared to him physically in this case. Thats the power of God who protected His newly appointed messenger.

But thats not the case with Jesus whom you called all kinda names. So the Bible tells us that he was taken to the top of the mountain and so on. please explain that to me and the abililty of the satan in demanding that Jesus should bow down/worship him with a miserly reward of kingdom of the world, etc? To jump off the cliff is suicidal, in every respect, even one were to put on safety device; eg parachute, etc. Would you then accuse Jesus of suicidal thought and prolonged influence on him by satan?

But Jesus never told satan that he was God or that God has a son and he Jesus was that son! Jesus was under the control of satan that these incidences alone are enough to proof sonship and trinity wrong! If there was a specific time in the life of Jesus to proof anything beyond prophethood, there was nogreater time than his contact of temptation by Satan. (For any sane mind, there is no doubt that satan could never have the ability to tempt his Creator, God Almighty!).

We find that the Bible tells us that Jesus only mentioned about his kingdom not of this world, when he was being tried by the Roman king/empror in cohort with the "chosen people (lol)." This humility of Jesus was not unique to him, but traits of all prophets/messengers of God.

Suicide as seen in Islam
What is life?
The Islamic concept
The philosophy of joy and pain
The classical origin of suicide
The traditions of the Testaments
The Qur'anic decree
The modern implications
Why suicide?!?
The statistical domain
The deterrent factor



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Every breath of a human, every moment of his or hers life in all Religious traditions, their teachings, their guidance, their viewpoints, their perspectives is worth more than a priceless gem. These breaths the human being takes in order to survive in life and the moments of life itself are like the pearls of a necklace. Just as a pearl will embellish the appearance of that neck that wears the necklace of pearls, in the same way the life of a individual is enhanced by that person who looks after the moments of his life.


No Treasure trove of any Ruler, no Sultanate of any Sultan, no Kingdom of any King, no Rulership of any Queen in tantamount is equal in value to one moment of an individuals life. Life in-fact in numerous places of the Quraan, either directly or indirectly, is described by Allah as a favour on human beings.
In one verse of the Quraan, Allah says,
" How can you disbelieve? Seeing that you were dead and He gave you life. Then He will give you death, then again will bring you to life (on the Day of Resurrection) and then unto Him you will return." (Surah Al-Baqarah Verse 28)
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Out of all the bounties Allah has bestowed upon human beings, the most precious is the gift of life. Each one us should remember that this life Allah has granted us, it is not our personal possession or our personal property. In-fact it is a trust from Allah, making us merely trustees. Because we are trustees we should utilise each and every moment of our lives in the paths that please Allah.
In one verse of the Quraan Allah informs mankind,
"And I (Allah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)". (Surah Adh-Dhariyat Verse 56)



From this verse we can learn the reason why Allah created mankind.
How precious is this gift of life, we can learn through the Holy Quraan, Ahadeeth (Traditions and Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) and the Shariah (Islamic Law).
For instance, in one verse of the Quraan, Allah says,
"He has forbidden you only the carrion (flesh of dead animals), and blood, and flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allah (or has been slaughtered for idols, on which Allah’s Name has not been mentioned whilst slaughtering). But if one is forced by necessity without wilful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."(Surah Al-Baqarah Verse 173)



In the closing stages of this verse Allah talks about one who is forced to consume Haraam (unlawful) items due to the fear of death. Allah says, then there is no sin in him. For example, one is in severe hunger, such hunger that could lead to ones death, he consumes something that is Haraam (unlawful) e.g. Carrion, on the Day of Judgement he will not be questioned regarding these Haraam (Unlawful) items he consumed in order to save his life. Similarly one is fasting in the Month of Ramadhaan and severe thirst over-takes him, again it is permissible for him to break his fast in order to saves ones life. Even if he broke the fast by consuming Haraam (Unlawful) fluids e.g. Blood, Alcohol he will not be questioned regarding this. From this verse we can undoubtedly acknowledge how precious and valuable life is in the eyes of The Almighty Allah.

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Life in many people’s opinion is a journey. Some even sees it as a pilgrimage. In the Islamic perspective it is a journey far beyond death. It is like a trip around the world. We stop in many different Continents, Countries, Cities, Towns and Villages. Some bring happiness and some give us grief. The white beaches, beautiful rainforests, buildings etc would force a smile on the face of many a person regardless of what grief he is in, but the sight of the poor, war-stricken and weak will give one intense grief. Life is a test from Allah, He tests people in various ways and times. He tests some by blessing them with countless bounties to see if the servant appreciates what he has been blessed with by Allah and he shows gratitude towards Allah for blessing him with these bounties. At times Allah in his infinite wisdom, puts a person in intense grief, to see if the servant turns to Allah and seeks guidance and help.



Excellent examples of both situations are found in the life and story of the Prophet of Allah, Ayyub (AS). Allah granted him many bounties, then he gave him such illness that the people around him could not bear. Prophet Ayyub (AS) turned to Allah for help and Allah in his infinite mercy returned all the past bounties upon him. In some narrations it has been said that Allah gave him more bounties than the amount he had before his illness.
In the Quraan Allah has mentioned the call for help of Prophet Ayyub (AS). Allah says:
"And (Remember) Ayyub (Job), when he cried to his Lord: "Verily, distress has seized me, and you are the Most Merciful of all those who show mercy". So We answered his call, and removed the distress that was on him, and We restored his family to him (that he had lost) and the like thereof along with them as a mercy from Ourselves and a reminder for all those who worship Us. (Surah Al-Anbiya Verse 83-84)



In another Surah of the Quraan Allah says regarding Prophet Ayyub (AS):
"And remember Our slave Ayyub (Job), when he invoked his Lord (saying):"Verily Satan has touched me with distress (by ruining my health) and torment (by ruining my wealth)! (Allah said to him): "Strike the ground with your foot: This is (a spring of) water to wash in, cool and a (refreshing) drink". And We gave him back his family, and along with them the like thereof, as a Mercy from Us, and a Reminder for those who understand."And take in your hand a bundle of thin grass and strike therewith (your wife), and break not your oath. Truly, We found him patient. How excellent a slave! Verily, he was ever oft- returning in repentance (to Us).
Like Prophet Ayyub, each and every one of us is tested by Allah in someway or another. Some turn to Allah and seek help, as in the case of Prophet Ayyub and others turn completely to the opposite side, which leaves many in grief. These people upon whom many grieve and mourn are the people who have turned to suicide.

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Suicide, or self-killing, has been known throughout the whole of recorded history and has been a phenomenon in every culture and social setting. It was noted in the Biblical Times within the Jewish and Christian faiths. It is mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita within the Hindu faith, in classical Greece and Rome, and later throughout the Middle-Ages, when the reaction to the heresy of suicide was severe hostility from the Universal Church, whose later fathers railed against the canonical sin of despair.
Suicide occurs in every culture, not only in the Western developed world, but also in India, China and, despite severe theological prohibitions, in Islam.

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Within the Judaeo-Christian tradition, there are eleven instances of suicide described in the Bible's Old Testament and one in the New Testament. Perhaps the most famous death in the former is the suicide of King Saul following his defeat in the hands of the Philistines, heard in David’s lament, and ‘how are the mighty fallen’. Saul had sought the assistance of his bodyguard to help kill himself. The soldier was horrified at the irreligious notion of killing his appointed King, and turned the sword upon himself. Saul, apparently aided by such an example, then followed suit. It appears that the avert prohibition against suicide was first formerly pronounced by Saint Augustine, who in his City of God describes the action as a ‘moral sin’.
The Church did not always condemn suicide when, for example, following some severe assault, such as rape, the victim took a ‘virtuous’ or honourable way out. She could then claim sympathy and the forgiveness of her society and family, in both Roman and Christian times.

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As shown, neither the Judaic nor Christian parts of the Bible are there direct injunctions against suicide. However, this is not the case in the traditions of the true religion, Islam, which continues to be a major influence upon many Islamic people.
There are a few quite specific sanctions expressed in the Quraan against self-killing. The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) also assigns suicide to the lower levels of Hell.
Allah says explicitly in the Quraan,
"And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allah is Most Merciful to you". (Surah An-Nisa Verse 29)
In another verse of the Quraan, Allah says:
"And do not throw yourselves in destruction". (Surah Al-Baqarah Verse 195)
The impact of this injunction still has considerable force in Islamic countries, and it may be one reason why, with the exception of Jordan and Turkey, there is no recorded suicide in national statistics of the Islamic Nations. But, in the last decade or so there has been a substantial increase of suicide in Muslims living in Non-Muslim countries, namely Britain and America.

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The current attitude and dilemmas, unlike in previous times, suicide can be discussed relatively easily today, even within the mass media of the late twentieth century. For example, in the worldwide magazine Time there have been three major articles concerning suicide, which while acknowledging dilemmas, were mainly concerned with where firm baselines should be drawn, accepting without question the ‘obvious’ rationality of such actions in many situations. Yet a little more than 100 years ago, Robert Louis Stevenson, in what was considered to be a horrendous book, The Suicide Club, found himself almost at the extreme end of the case of language, because he could not describe in sufficiently villainous terms the leader of this ‘devilish’ club. Constantly, modern poets and novelist have almost celebrated suicide.

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The reasons that lead a person to commit suicide are as numerous and complex as the thousands of people who do so every year. Below are a few contributing causes of suicide:
Unipolar affective disorder (Depression)
The mental disorder usually called ‘depression’ is now described as ‘unipolar affective disorder’. The term depression is of course problematic, in that a low mood, or sometimes a feeling of emotional glumness, of living ‘out of sorts’ or ‘fed up’, is a frequent experience for many people. In this sense it is ‘normal’ and many people can feel ‘depressed’ without having depression. There is another side to this coin, where a person can feel particularly well, ‘on a high’ or with a feeling of well being. This can be the experience of a large number of people without it being felt, thought or obseverd as a problem or a disorder. A person simply feels in a ‘good mood’.


The causes of depression are many:
1. Mood: There is a profound disturbance of mood, which is one of the prevailing sadness and misery.
2. Cognition (To think deeply): There is an important disturbance of cognition, so that everything around them is interpreted dismally. Sufferers can believe they are hateful, worthless and, at the extreme, that they are already dead and responsible for the evils in the world.
3. Energy: There are very often tell-tale changes in mood and energy, in which the mood is especially low in the early morning hours, with relative lighting of misery in the afternoon.
4. Sleep: There is a disturbance of sleep, where it is quite usual for a person to be able to sleep almost as soon as going to bed, but with early waking, sometimes accompanied by quite enclosed changes of mood.
5. Appetite: There is a loss in appetite, and an apparently liked food turns to such, that you cannot bear the sight of it.
6. Stress: Stress at work, home, school etc can cause severe depression which can lead to suicide.

Isolation and detachment
One of the most common sentiments expressed by many of those who resort to suicidal behaviour is a sense of detachment from others. This is not so much physical isolation but refers more to a sense of moral insulation, where the individual has come to define his, or her, situation as so hopeless that others cannot help to put it right.

Substance misuse (Drugs and alcohol)
Addiction to drugs and alcohol, in this day and age, has become a major factor, which leads a person to suicide. In the past few months the media around the world have shown many cases of suicide due to drug use. Some have also predicted if drugs like cannabis was to be made legal, the death toll will increase due to this. The media have shown the devastating effects suicide has on the society around the world through drug use.

Loss of family or friends
One may feel isolated after the death or separation from family members or friends. Loss of a relative/friend causes immense grief, which may cause one to think about suicide. Some commit suicide thinking they will join the dead in the grave.

Relationship break-ups
This many times has the same effect as the death of a loved one. Sometimes it may, make some feel life is not worth living.

Financial problems
One who is large debts, thinking he will never be able to pay-up and may resort to suicide, thinking he will no more have this burdensome responsibility on his head, leaving his next of kin this problem.

Sickness and disability
Severe sicknesses, which one cannot bear, can lead one to take his life. In many cases taking help from others in doing this act (Euthanasia).

(Above are only a few reasons why one may resort into taking his own life. Many others can be found through thorough research.)

Few events in life have the same impact on us as the suicide of a friend or a loved one. The loss of a loved one, from any cause, brings out intense grief and mourning. The response and emotions felt by the bereaved following suicide are very different to those felt after other types of deaths. The fact that a loved one's death appears to involve an element of choice, raise painful questions which deaths from natural or accidental causes do not. Bereavement by suicide is usually prolonged. The grief is characterised by agonising, questioning and the search for some explanation as to why the death of his loved one has happened. Bereavement in this way often encompasses strong feelings of abandonment and rejection.
The sense of shock and disbelief following suicide is very intense. The most common and disturbing aspect of grief after suicide is recurring images of death, even if it was not witnessed. The finding of the body can be a traumatic experience. Going over and over the very frightening and painful images of the death, and the feelings these create, is a normal process of grief.

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Newly bereaved people always ask ‘why?’ However bereavement through suicide often involves a prolonged search for a reason or explanation to tragedy. Most people bereaved by suicide usually come to accept that they will never know the reason why a loved one did what they did. In the search for answers, different members of the same family may have different ideas as to why he/she took their life, it could strain family relationships, especially if an element of blame is involved.
Below, I have included statistics, which I have obtained for many different sources, including The Samaritans (www.thesamaritans.org).
· The World Health Organisation estimates that in the year 2002 approximately 1.1million people will die from suicide
· A global mortality rate of 17 per 100,000
· One death every 40 seconds from suicide
· In the last 45 years suicide rates have increased by 65% worldwide.
· Suicide is now among the three leading causes of death amongst those aged 14-44(both sexes)



· Suicide attempts are up to 20 times more frequent than completed suicide
· Although suicide rates have traditionally been highest amongst the elderly, rates among young people have been increasing to such a rate that they are now the group at highest risk in a third of all countries
· More people die from suicide than homicide in the USA, in 1997 there were 1.5 times as many suicides as homicide
· Mental disorders (particularly depression and substance abuse) are associated with more than 90% of all causes of suicide
· Males are four times more likely to die from suicide than women are. However , females are more likely to attempt suicide than males


· 2 suicides every day by young people in the UK and Republic of Ireland
· 80% of suicides by young men
· Suicide accounts for a fifth of all deaths of young people
· An estimated 24,000 adolescents self-harmed in 1998 – 3 every hour
· Alcohol and substance misuse are significant factors in youth suicide
· Contributory factors to youth suicide include unemployment, social isolation, recent inter personal life events and difficulties with parents, peers and partners
· 6,216 suicides in the UK, 439 suicides in the Republic of Ireland


· One suicide every 79 minutes in the UK and the Republic of Ireland
· More than two young people commit suicide every day in the UK
· Suicide figures are double the death toll from road traffic accidents
· Suicide is now the second most common cause of death in the UK for young people aged between 15-24
· People who make suicide attempts or threats are not just "attention seeking", but are at the risk of harming themselves
· Most suicidal people are undecided about living or dying, and try beforehand to let others know how they are feeling, or give clues or warnings



· Somebody tries to take his own life every three minutes
· In any given week, at least 463,000 people have serious thoughts about suicide
· Every year around 2500 children or young people phone child-line about feeling suicidal
· Overdosing accounts for 50% of female suicides and 25% of male suicides
· Under 25 year olds account for 9.26% of all suicides in East Lancashire. Of which 2.3% are of Asian heritage


Statistics about suicide are difficult to collate, and many are inaccurate because of the sensitivity of the issue. According to some research suicide rates are 50%-60% higher than the official rate.

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There are three areas where the law is relevant to suicide. First, while attempting to commit suicide has not been illegal in Britain since 1961, it is still a criminal offence under the ‘Suicide Act 1961’ to help someone commit suicide. Second, health professionals who do not take reasonable precautions to safeguard a suicidal patient who then goes on to commit suicide may be sued for negligence in the civil courts. Third, in some cases, people felt to be at grave risk of harming themselves can be detained for their own safety under the ‘Mental Health Act 1983’ (England and Wales), 1984 (Scotland), or ‘Mental Health Order 1986’ (Northern Ireland).

Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW) mentioned suicide many times, a few of these incidents are recorded in Muhammad Ibn Ismael's, 'Sahih Al-Bukhari'. In one incident narrated by Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak (RA): the Prophet (SAW) said, "Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, 'If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,' he is really a Jew if he is a liar). And whoever commits suicide with a piece of iron, he will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell-fire."
Narrated by Jundub: The Prophet (SAW) said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he commited suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him."


Narrated by Abu Hurairah (RA): The Prophet (SAW) said, "He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell-fire (forever), and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself, he shall keep stabbing himself in the Hell-fire (forever)."
From the sayings of Allah and his Prophet (SAW), we can see suicide is not accepted in Islam and we can also see through other sources, it is also prohibited in other religions.

If one is thinking of committing suicide he should think about his friends and family, then he should turn to Allah and ask for his help. Talking to the Scholars and others would also help. Confidential information is also available through your GP. Many centres also offer help for people in these troubled times.

May Allah save us from this sin and give us all guidance to the straight path. May Allah save us from all types of grief and give us all entrance into Paradise.

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Does Prophet Muhammad's Contemplation of Suicide Disprove His Prophethood?

By
Bassam Zawadi

It seems like some Christians are trying to overdue and go far with this whole issue regarding Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) contemplation of suicide. They go as far as saying that Muhammad was possessed by Satan. Of course they offered no proof for saying such a statement. So many people have committed or attempted to commit suicide and no one ever concluded that they were possessed by Satan. So why the exception to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?

Even according to the missionary's article on the very bottom he posted evidence stating that the main reason why people commit or attempt to commit suicide is because of depression. This is the same thing that happened with the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he was depressed. What, a Prophet cannot be depressed? Says who? What criteria are people using to say that?

Lets look at the following hadith,

Saheeh Bukhari

Volumn 009, Book 087, Hadith Number 111.
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Narated By 'Aisha : The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore.



He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous, up to, that which he knew not." (96.15)

Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai.


Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen.

Waraqa said, "This is the same Namus (i.e., Gabriel, the Angel who keeps the secrets) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they turn me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said: "Never did a man come with something similar to what you have brought but was treated with hostility. If I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly."


But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).

Taken from http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MH_LM/from_the_beginning_of_revelation.htm

Subsiding of the Revelations
Muhammad expected the revelations to guide his path from day to day, but they subsided. Gabriel did not appear for some time, and all around him there was nothing but silence. Muhammad fell into solitude, separated from himself as well as from the people. His old fears recurred. It is told that even Khadijah said to him, "Does it not seem that your Lord is displeased with you?" Dismayed and frightened, he returned to the mountain and the cave of Hira'. There, he prayed for God fervently, seeking assiduously to reach Him. Particularly, he wanted to ask God about the cause of this divine displeasure. Khadijah did not dread these days any less than Muhammad, nor was she any less fearful.


Often Muhammad wished to die, but he would again feel the call and the command of his Lord which dispelled such ideas. It was also told that he once thought of throwing himself down from the top of Mount Hira' or Mount Abu Qubays, thinking what good was this life if his greatest hope therein was to be frustrated and destroyed? Torn between these fears on one hand and despair on the other, revelation came to him after a long interval. The word of God was as clear as it was reassuring:



"By the forenoon, and by the night as it spreads its wings over the world in peace, your Lord has not forsaken you; nor is He displeased with you. Surely, the end shall be better for you than the beginning. Your Lord will soon give you of His bounty and you will be well pleased. Did He not find you an orphan and give you shelter? Did He not find you erring and guide you to the truth? Did He not find you in want and provide for you? Do not, therefore, oppress the orphan nor turn away whosoever seeks your help. And the bounty of your Lord, always proclaim."[Qur'an, 93:1-11]



The Call to Truth Alone
Oh, what divine majesty, what peace of mind, what joy of heart and exaltation to the soul! Muhammad's fears dissolved and his dread was dissipated. He was overjoyed with this fresh evidence of his Lord's blessing and fell down in worship to God and praise of Him. There was no more reason to fear, as Khadijah had done, that God was displeased with him, and there was no cause for his dread. God had now taken him under His protection and removed from him every doubt and fear. Henceforth there was to be no thought of suicide but only of a life dedicated to calling men unto God and unto God alone. To the Almighty God on High shall all men bend their brows. To Him shall all that is in heaven and earth prostrate themselves. He alone is the True, and all that they worship besides him is false.



To Him alone the heart should turn, on Him alone the soul should depend, and in Him alone the spirit should find its confirmation. The other realm is better for man than this realm. In the other realm, the soul becomes aware of all being as well as the unity of being; and in this unity space and time disappear and the needs and considerations of this realm are forgotten. It is in the other realm that the forenoon with its brilliant and dazzling sun, the night with its widespread darkness, the heavens and the stars, and the earth and the mountains all become one; and the spirit which enters into awareness of this unity is happy and felicitous. That is the life which is the objective of this life. And that is the truth which illuminated with its light the soul of Muhammad. When revelation subsided for a while, it was this truth which inspired him anew to solicit and think of his Lord and to call men unto Him.


The calling of men unto God demands the purification of oneself, the shunning of evil, and the bearing with patience all the harm and injury with which the caller may meet. It demands that he illumine the path of true knowledge for the benefit of ignorant mankind, that he never rebuke the inquisitive, and that he never reject the man in need or oppress the orphan. Sufficient unto him must be the fact that God had chosen him to convey His message to mankind. Let this message then be the permanent subject of his conversation. Sufficient unto him must be the fact that God had found him an orphan and given him shelter under the protection of his grandfather, `Abd al Muttalib, and his uncle, Abu Talib.



Sufficient unto him must be the fact that God had found him in want and provided for him through his trustworthiness, and had shown him His favor by granting to him Khadijah, the companion of his youth, of his solitude and retreat, of his prophetic mission, and of love and kindness. Sufficient unto him must be the fact that God had found him erring and had guided him to the truth through His message. All this must be sufficient unto him. Let him now call to the truth and exert himself as heartily as he could. Such was the command of God to His Prophet whom He had chosen, whom He had not forsaken, and with whom He was not displeased.


Taken from http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/ch1s7.html#Interruption%20of%20Revelation

After mentioning the coming of the Revelation, the Messenger of All?[pbuh] said: "I have never abhorred anyone more than a poet or a mad man. I can not stand looking at either of them. I will never tell anyone of Quraish of my Revelation. I will climb a mountain and throw myself down and die. That will relieve me. I went to do that but halfway up the mountain, I heard a voice from the sky saying ‘O Muhammad! You are the Messenger of All?[pbuh] and I am Gabriel.’ I looked upwards and saw Gabriel in the form of a man putting his legs on the horizon. He said: ‘O Muhammad You are the Messenger of All?[pbuh] and I am Gabriel.’ I stopped and looked at him. His sight distracted my attention from what I had intended to do.


I stood in my place transfixed. I tried to shift my eyes away from him. He was in every direction I looked at. I stopped in my place without any movement until Khadijah sent someone to look for me. He went down to Makkah and came back while I was standing in the same place. Gabriel then left, and I went back home. I found Khadijah at home, so I sat very close to her. She asked: ‘Father of Al-Qasim! Where have you been? I sent someone to look for you. He went to Makkah and returned to me.’ I told her of what I had seen. She replied: ‘It is a propitious sign, O my husband. Pull yourself together,


I swear by All?that you are a Messenger for this nation.’ Then she stood up and went to Waraqa and informed him. Waraqa said: ‘I swear by All?that he has received the same Namus, i.e. angel that was sent to Moses. He is the Prophet of this nation. Tell him to be patient.’ She came back to him and told him of Waraqa’s words. When the Messenger of All?[pbuh] finished his solitary stay and went down to Makkah, he went to Waraqa, who told him: ‘You are the Prophet of this nation. I swear by All? that you have received the same angel that was sent to Moses.’" [At-Tabari 2/207; Ibn Hisham 1/237,238]

Once more, Gabriel brings All?#146;s Revelation
Ibn Hajar said: ‘That (the pause of All?#146;s revelation for a few days) was to relieve the Messenger of All?[pbuh] of the fear he experienced and to make him long for the Revelation. When the shades of puzzle receded, the flags of truth were raised, the Messenger of All?[pbuh] knew for sure that he had become the Messenger of the Great Lord. He was also certain that what had come to him was no more than the ambassador of inspiration. His waiting and longing for the coming of the revelation constituted a good reason for his steadfastness and self-possession on the arrival of All?#146;s inspiration,


The Prophet was depressed about Waraqa dying and on top of all that he was also depressed about the revelation not coming down to him for a while. The Prophet was all alone. Almost everyone except a few went against him. Calling him a mad poet, magician, soothsayer, crazy etc. This all affects someone psychologically. The Prophet would ignore them and feel confident about him self because of the revelation that he would receive from God. However, this 'pause of revelation', known in Arabic as 'Fatrah', which at this time lasted some where between 6 months to three years made the Prophet feel lonely and depressed. Some even feel that it was only a matter of days,

Taken from http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/ch1s7.html#Interruption%20of%20Revelation

Interruption of Revelation
Ibn Sa‘d reported on the authority of Ibn ‘Abbas that the Revelation paused for a few days.[Fath Al-Bari 1/27,12/360] After careful study, this seems to be the most possible. To say that it lasted for three and a half years, as some scholars allege, is not correct, but here there is no room to go into more details.

Other opinions were either 15 days or 25 days or 40 days. (Tasfsir of Qurtubi, Source: Online)

Conclusion

Assuming that the hadith is truly authentic, the whole issue of the Prophet contemplating suicide really doesn't prove anything against his Prophethood. The Prophet did not go around jumping from the mountain and surviving and failing to kill himself. No, he did not throw him self because Gabriel came and stopped him. If the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was truly inspired by Satan then Satan would order him to jump and kill him self just like how he tried to do with Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 4. Plus who was sending down these revelations to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) anyways? If these were the words of the Prophet Muhammad himself then why would the Prophet purposely do such a thing to him self? This Quran must have been coming from a supernatural source. Is that supernatural source Satan? Does the author of the Quran identify himself as Satan or as God?

From God

Surah 55:1-2

The Beneficent God, It is He Who has taught the Qur'an.

Not Satan

Zakir Naik makes a good point when he says,

Many people have a wrong concept of Satan. They think that Satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that God can do. According to them, Satan is slightly below God in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the Qur’an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is Satan's handiwork.



If Satan would have written the Qur’an, he would not have mentioned in the same Qur’an in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse no. 98

"When thou does read
The Qur’an, seek Allah’s protection from Satan the Rejected One."

Is this how you feel Satan would write a book? Does he tell you; "Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?"

There are several verses in the Qur’an which will give enough evidence that Satan is not the author of the Qur’an.

In Surah Al Aaraf chapter 7 verse 200

"If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind),
seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows
(all things).

Why would Satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy.



In Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168

"O ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one,
For he is to you an avowed enemy."



In Surah Yasin, chapter 36 verse 60

"Did I not enjoin on you,
O ye children of Adam,
that ye should not worship Satan;

for that he was to you an enemy avowed?"

Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the Qur’an. Compared to Almighty God, Satan is insignificant, and Allah (swt) is far more intelligent. He knows Satan's evil intentions and hence no wonder that He has given the reader of the Qur’an several proofs to show that Qur’an is God’s word, and not Satan's word.



If Christians want to be stubborn and insist that the Quran is not the word of God but the word of Satan then they would have to provide evidence for such assertions and not just assume. The Quran claims to be the word of God, it is up to you to prove that the author of this book is lying.



The Prophet's depression and then rehabilitation does not disprove his Prophethood, as a matter of fact to me it goes even further to prove it. Because if he was possessed by Satan he would not have pulled through and succeeded in his mission to spread the message of God.



Recommended

http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/was_muhammad_deceived.htm

Having 4 wives at any single time is not unislamic. But having more at anytime is unIslamic. But a man can have just one wife or more but higher than 4 at anytime. Also it is not acceptable for a person who could get maried to not do so.

So to ignore the fact that Mu/hammad (as) was the prophet and messenger who came after Jesus (as), does not change the fact. Al/lah is sufficient as a Witness.

@Nossycheek: Whatever. But am grateful to God Almighty A/llah that you found a man for you. Unlike women who have children out of proper man/woman relationship or a child for a father, while she has a ton of them. Keep your husband and strive to make the lives of your children strong in family ties.

My darling, and I guess thats how you thought i am interested in you, since I used darling for you. It is a figure of speech, a term of endearment. I use it for all women. But the issue of your slogan is a matter of how complete a person views it; I see that yu did not factor in Mu/hammad into Prophethood personage from God. The same way the Jews do not factor in Jesus. So the slogan will have to cover everyone. If you are right, the Mu/slims and jews and everyone else is wrong. However if you are wrong, and Mu/hammad was truly a prophet, without any doubt, you are with the Jewsand everyone else, then. Except that the Mu/slims will be the only people who are correct.

From both of our statements, we see that the Jews and co are wrong in the fact that they denied Jesus and mu/hammad. But you only denied Mu/hammad and exagerated Jesus to godship. This is a manifest error. Finally, the Mus/lims say that there is hellfire. Are you not aware that it is real? You should be mindful that it is a place created for punishment of those who have sinned their souls and never repented. In your case it is conscious denial of a prophet and at the same time exagerating the status of another.


And about the 9 year old wife; please tell me if you know how old was Aisha (ra) before her father became a Mu/slim? And then what year since prophethood was she married and the consumation of the marriage? Please kep in mind that her father accept Is/lam immediately, in the first year of prophethood. When you consider all of these, 9 years was never the age of her marriage. More like 19! Is a 17 year old woman not a woman anywhere in Nigeria?


Tu comprehends? lol.

@May Kelly: I was going to tell you that it isn't it ironic that the "peaceful" christians on earth are the same group preparing for fight at end time and even taking it so far that you are suggesting that there will be a fight in heaven! Wow. Is this not presently fighting people kinda of disingenous? Considering that you still have 2 major fights: one in heaven after the one on earth.

I guess you are living up to your proverbial "As it is done on earth so as in the heaven," from the lord's prayer.

My dear na you make me answer you like this.

Where is Nwando?

@Huxley:

Fortunately, this is something science can comment on. Science provide unimpeachable evidence that the origin of mankind is Africa, NOT the Arabian desert as the moronic desert dogmas suggest. Can you provide a single shred of evidence that suggest that your dogmas are right?

And before Suez Canal the whole of Middle east was and is still part of the Main African continent.

And just the other day, we say the whole of palestinian people spilling over into Egypt! I am sure Atheist and Agnostic education kinda took that one over your head.

And before then, we saw from history books the Crusaders with their Horses did not load themselves on ship/vessels to do their mass killings.

And before then we knew that Jesus ran to Egypt to escape the first wave of plotters on his life!

And before then Moses escaped to median people from Egypt. He also came back on land back to Egypt to confront the Pharaoh who perished in the sea. Come to think of it, if A/llah did not design a defeat for the arrogant Pharaoh and his army, Moses would not have chosen the path that will have to lead them into the sea.

And before then the whole story of Joseph and his family between Middle east and Egypt took the dry land path.

And before that Ibrahim did journey to Egypt from his middle east home.

And even in most recent time, the african muslims used to journey on foot and on animals to perform hajji. And all of these were before Canal.

How many evidences above? And you only asked for one. I guess you have enough to think about taking your Shahada unless you are arrogant.

Its easy for you to say am not serious. It is very clear to me that you just don't grasp the meaning of what I wrote; Only the Christians have tried to force feed us about sonship of god and thripleness of god! Whereas, there were before and after Jesus (as) Prophets and Messengers just as equally important or even higher1

In the night Journey of the Messenger of the Merciful, he said that he (as) found Jesus with his cousin Yahya in the 2nd heaven. While Idris (as) was on third. And hiher than that were others; Moses was stationed on 6th and Ibrahim was on 7th who was seen leaning on Bait Mamoor. The same exact place on that 7th heaven corresponding to the position of Kaaba in Makka.

I guess Muh/ammad (as) is the only one who had made this journey. Adam and his wife only made the from heavens to earth part and Jesus only made from earth to heavens part, all of them while alive.

Come to think of it, Adam is the first Prophet and Jesus is the last before Muh/ammad!

This is what you have to say to us? God has a son? Blaspheme of the worst kind.

@Igbo_Lady: You are taking this stage names too far! Nwandolina? Woman its too much. If you dont stop, I will take your case to the council of the elders, where you have to bring Kolanuts, and all that will be needed to be brought. Or should I just tell Zainab to sue you in Owerri High Court?

Stop partial plagiarising of names. Its really unbecoming. Na today! lol.

@ Davidylan;

Look at the part you people are quick to dismiss . . . it is pregnant with meaning.

" Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

Only if David will look at the pregnancy and realise that the baby inside is keeping him. David forgot that no ONE called JESUS God, while he was within his community and get away with it! He gave a peson who merely referred to him as "good," a tongue lashing.

The weasels realised that he was not capable of returning until the appointed time, then they began their back alley tactics of deitification of him, in order to swell their rank with the gullibles! A god who is walking on the earth and the earth does not crumbled in awe of humility to him, is no God! A god that functions exactly; bleeds etc like the rest of us is no God! Come to think of it, it was the people who called jesus god. He never called himself that. No Prophet and/or Messenger of God would dare to claim the unclaimable!

Wake up people!

@Davidylan:

alhaji:
1. It is up to God AND NOT YOU to judge the Jews.
2. The jews are not catholic, so how do the arguments presented above concern them? Their torah has the complete commandments so of what purpose is your statement?

Weren't the first christians exclusively from the ranks of the Children of Israel? Or are they Ogun state people now, specifically the Ijebu Ode people? lol. Or me a mu/slim will have to remind you of how the associates of Jesus were called Christians? Further, if you know enough Jews, you will not be posing your question above about them to me. They do not follow Torah exclusively, contrary to what you have insuniated. The purpose of my statement, therefore is to educate you about the skiddishness of the Jews, concerning the laws/commandments, duuh. lol.

You will have to agree therefore that the complete commandments in the Torah, is nothing more than a window dressing.

Sorry, but the covenant God has with the jews is an everlasting covenant. It cannot be broken neither will you succeed in smuggling arabs into it. It is this kind of mindset that is driving the current middle east problems today. Mu'slims feel they shld be the ones to succeed the jews by force in the Holy Land God gave to Isaac and his descendants forever.

Ironic that you states that the covenant with the jews is everlasting. First, is there any conditions attached to it? What happens if there is any disobedience and disregards of any of the laws/commandments? The disobedients will not be punished? They will be rewarded with Candies and all kinds of goodies (David am sure you know that am refering to Paradise and hellfire here)? I remember that the crowd who made Golden calf were killed off and even forced to drink water laden with that gold powder from their crime. None of them saw the "promised land." Remember now? Those people were under the covenants, would they go to Jewish paradise regardless?



And if the jews have this everlasting covenant where they can do no wrong, what kind of god enters such a covenant which does give all kind of leeways for him to be abused? His laws disregarded, with such as a repremind?

By the way, if Jews are this fantastic with God, then Christians must be in the dog-house on this. For it is not possible for the Christians, the johnnie come lately between the two to be more favored by God that the "Chosen people!" Lol.

Apologies, it aint going to happen. Let Al'lah choose mu'slims if he wants, no point struggling desperately to force urselves into the commandments and covenant of Jehova.

Alleluia! Produce jehova from that. Or you wanna try Yahweh for size? Claim what you wil from now till Sunday, the fact will not change even if you denied it.

Allah says in the Qur/an that Ibrahiim was not a Jew nor a Christian, but a negator of multiple heads god belief, he was a Muslim and did not associate any partnership with One God. I guess you will try to disregard the relationship of god with Ibrahiim. It is the covenant of Ibrahiim that the Mu/slims count on. thats where we have our relationship with God. Not through the tribalistic Jews or the multple heads god worshipper Christians! lol.

@Davidylan: Trinity in the Bible again? lol.

@Huxley: You have proven my point exactly. Your complete denial of the existence of god will make my writing incomprehensible to you. And for M_nwankwo's cheapening of the power of God, by his partial belief of Him, but relegated Him to a human being is why he is at least head and shoulders above you in understanding.

Huxley, your essays could just be looked at as a pure waste of human resources. Unfortunately, your type dies of and in time what people remember them by is their deviance and their denial of God! If you are looking for followers, you will not find it here. But tell me, have you ever seen more than one mother carrying the pregnancy of the same child, in the same time? If it is impossible, thats how impossible all your hypothesis are!

@JeSoul:

it was fun oh! I even had one of my friends running in it - to run 26 miles is not a small feat! I could not personally go and watch because the traffic was crazy but I followed it on tv. As usual the Kenyans took over yet again.

Alhaji, I see you still refuse to let the concept of the trinity go. . . na wa for you. 4Him said it perfectly here, how hard is it to get? eh sir?


Quote from: 4 Him on Today at 05:40:02 PM
- Christians don't worship 3 Gods, that you can't wrap your mind around the concept of ONE GOD in three manifestations should not be an excuse for you to keep peddling this falsehood.

Don't mind David the Ijebu boy. The same David who was asking for eye witness for the Splitting of the moon over 1400 years ago! The same David who could not believe a thing apparent to others just because it happened after Jesus by Mu/hammad!

The same David who is so cynical about everything Islam! Now tell him to proof it in a way that human minds can grasp it. Afterall, God will not ask you to believe anything unless your mind can take it. There is no logic to it that God will humiliate Himself before His creations, just to save them! One would ask, what was the purpose of commandments, and obedience to Him, if he now changes his mind? Are the issues of obedience and commandments dead with the death of god? If you realise that is not the case, then you will realise that whoever dies is not God!

Ironically, Al Wadud said in His Book that He is always alive and never dead. He further stated that He is not like His creation in all forms. He is Independent from all, while all depend on Him.

Has there been anyone whoever walked this earth, regardless of conditions of birth who fits this description? None.

Let continue to talk and just maybe, I will be in Boston in June or earlier. Then we will meet.