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Every Hadith is confirmed by the Qur'an (My reason for standing against anything that does not have its root in Quran: example the alleged marriage of Aisha 6 or 9 based on the ahadith that has no foundation from Quranic verses on Marriage).


Ayyub As-Sakhtiyani reported from Sa`id bin Jubayr that he said, "I did not hear any Hadith of the Prophet , substantiated as he stated it, except that I found its confirmation in the Qur'an. (The narrator said, "Or he said, `I found its verification in the Qur'an.''') Thus, it reached me that the Prophet said, (There is no one of this Ummah, whether he be a Jew or Christian, who hears of me and does not believe in me, except that he will enter the Hellfire.) Therefore, I said, `Where is its verification in the Book of Allah Most of what I have heard reported from the Messenger of Allah , I have found its verification in the Qur'an.' Then I found this verse, (but those of the sects that reject it (the Qur`an), the Fire will be their promised meeting place.) And this means from all religions.''


Then Allah says, (So be not in doubt about it. Verily, it is the truth from your Lord,) This means that the Qur'an is the truth from Allah and there is no doubt or suspicion concerning it. This is as Allah says, (Alif Lam Mim. The revelations of the Book in which there is no doubt, is from the Lord of all that exists!)[32:1-2] Allah, the Exalted, says, (Alif Lam Mim. This is the Book in which there is no doubt.) [2:1-2] The Ayah; (but most of mankind believe not.) is similar to Allah's statement, (And most of mankind will not believe even if you desire it eagerly.)[12:103] Likewise, Allah says, (And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah's path.) Allah also says, (And indeed Iblis did prove true his thought about them: and they followed him, all except a group of true believers.)[34:20]


(18. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah. Such will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say,''These are the ones who lied against their Lord!'' No doubt! The curse of Allah is on the wrongdoers.) (19. Those who hinder (others) from the path of Allah, and seek a crookedness therein, while they are disbelievers in the Hereafter). (20. By no means will they escape on earth, nor have they protectors besides Allah! Their torment will be doubled! They could not bear to listen and they used not to see (the truth)). (21. They are those who have lost their own selves, and that which they invented eluded them.) (22. Certainly, they are those who will be the greatest losers in the Hereafter).

The One Who believes in the Qur'an is upon Clear Proof from His Lord: Surah Hud (Tafsir of verses 16 through 18)

Allah, the Exalted, informs of the condition of the believers who are upon the natural religion of Allah, which He made inherent in His creatures. This is based upon their confession to Him that there is none worthy of worship except He. This is similar to Allah's statement, (So set you your face towards the religion, Hanifan. Allah's Fitrah with which He has created mankind.) [30:30].


In the Two Sahihs it is recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said, (Every child is born upon the Fitrah, but his parents make him a Jew, Christian, or Magian, or others. This is just as the calf that is born whole. Have you noticed any calves that are born mutilated, because it will not be a natural/normally expected calf, if it were). In Sahih Muslim it is recorded that `Iyad bin Himar said that the Messenger of Allah said, (Allah, the Exalted, says, `Verily, I created my servants Hunafa', but the devils came to them and distracted them from their religion. They made unlawful for them what I had made lawful for them and they commanded them to associate partners (like what other religions do, eg Christian's Trinity, Jewish acceptance of what their learned say over what Musa (as) was given), with Me, concerning which no authority has been revealed.).


Therefore, the believer is one who remains upon this Fitrah. Concerning Allah's statement, (and whom a witness from Him recites (follows) it); This means that a witness comes to him from Allah. That witness is the pure, perfect and magnificent legislation that Allah revealed to the Prophets. These legislations were finalized with the legislation (Shari`ah) of Muhammad. The believer has the natural disposition that bears witness to (the truth of) the general legislation, and accepts that specific laws are taken from the general legislation. The Fitrah accepts the Shari`ah and believes in it.


For this reason Allah, the Exalted, says, (Can they who rely on a clear proof from their Lord, and whom a witness from Him recites (follows) it); This clear proof which is recited is the Qur'an, which Jibril conveyed to the Prophet and the Prophet Muhammad conveyed it to his Ummah. Then Allah says, (and before it, came the Book of Musa). This means that before the Qur'an, there was the Book of Musa, the Tawrah. (a guidance and a mercy). This means that Allah, the Exalted, revealed it to that Ummah as a leader for them and a guide for them to follow, as a mercy from Allah upon them. Therefore, whoever believed in it with true faith, then it would lead him to believe in the Qur'an as well. For this reason Allah said, (they believe therein).


Then Allah, the Exalted, threatens those who reject the Qur'an, or any part of it, by saying, (but those of the sects that reject it, the Fire will be their promised meeting place.) This is directed towards everyone on the face of the earth who disbelieves in the Qur'an, whether they are idolators, disbelievers, People of the Scripture, or other sects from the descendants of Adam. This applies to all whom the Qur'an reaches, regardless of their differences in color, appearance, or nationality.


As Allah says, (that I may therewith warn you and whomsoever it may reach. ) [6:19]. Allah, the Exalted, said, (Say: "O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of Allah.''). Allah says, (but those of the sects that reject it, the Fire will be their promised meeting place.) In Sahih Muslim it is recorded that Abu Musa Al-Ash`ari, may Allah be pleased with him, said that the Messenger of Allah said, (By He in Whose Hand is my soul! there is no one of this Ummah, whether he be a Jew or Christian, who hears of me and does not believe in me, except that he will enter the Hell- fire.)

nezan is indiscriminately antagonizing on anything and everything islamic! if a muslim says good morning, to him in abuja, am sure he will snap like a snapping turtle. ready to fight and sriticise Islam. This dude is in a class all by himself: worse than noetic, i must admit.

in america, black men (lol) are assumed to be angry people. Collin Ferguson who murdered people on Long Island (LIRR) railroad system some 2 years ago was defended by William Kunsler with the 1968 black power "blackman anger/rage syndrome" resulting in life imprisonment sentence rather than death penalty!

He is a Christian by the way. if he had been a muslim, the whole of america would have said its terrorism!

@focused123: « #78 on: Yesterday at 12:47:37 PM »

@Abuzola :

Islam is not great rather Islam is evil. Muhammed is the model of Islam. Look at the way he was acquiring women as booties to the point opf acquiring Aisha ( a 6 years old little girl).

Aisha (ra) as booty or any woman as booty? you must be tired! Islam s evil? and your religion is not, where a woman should never be heard, and even cant let their own head be uncovered in front of their husband (I wonder how they go to be, or sleep with that man?)?

Women are human being NOT properties. There is no how you can satisfy all women equally and neither can you love all women equally.

and all women dont have the same sexual appetite. same goes for men, the reason not al men in Islam marry more than 1 wife. am sure you would have loved that the excess women, if it is 1 man and 1 woman situation becomes the enjoyment outlet for people like you with one wife, willing to handle uncountable girlfriends out there, at least you dont want whats in the house! we are not supposed to do that in islam. no muslim should look at women as property. i dont. and am not tired of my women when she is in her period when there is no sex, or when she is 9 month pregnant

That is why Islamist who practise polygamy neglect their women and children. Also polygamy does not give dignity to the woman because the woman is treated as a property and the woman cannot have the time she need with the husband.

Where do you get this information from? My father's children and his wives must have been different, so all the Kukus, the Alatishes, the Shoyes, the Alahusas, etc of Ijebu Ode and many families in Yorubaland and other parts of Nigeria and Islamic world! None of my family member was negletted, except those who wanted to be negletted! Stop your lies, Focused123.

Once again, Marriage is God's idea and NOT Muhammed's idea.

The only thing you said that make human sense!

@sandas: « #79 on: Yesterday at 04:06:07 PM »

why are all rights given to men in islam, or is it because muhammed was a man that why all his doctrine favours men.and again in islam it is stated that u can marry 4 wives if you love equally.is it possible to love them equally? at least 1 will be your favourite.

show me a single favoritism that islam bestows on men and deprives women of same? then show me a place that christianity preaches equality, between men and women, whereby islam is opposite to it.

i am very confident that when Quran and ahadith say oh mankind, or man, it is talking about man and woman. the only place where gende specification is addressed is when you hear male or female!

by the way, if you favor a person over another in your heart and never actualise it, vis a vis to let a person knows that he/she has an advantage of favor or disadvanage of influence with you, should not be considered a bad thing, because no one is gloating or suffering by it. it is a natural thing to have people mean different thing to you in your heart. my heart skips beats differently, depending who and what is the value of that person is to me.

jesus of the bible has nothing to do with what abuzola said. its called islam. its better that you takbir; Allahu Akbar, not what you said., skfa1

@Nezan: « #107 on: Yesterday at 11:30:51 AM »

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Aloy-Emeka; You are correct. ButI thought that I read that in a world civilization class that I took some 30sothing years ago. I remember that it started on something very simple,almost ordinary like that.

However, as I am researching it, today, there is a lot discovered, especially the role of the Jesuits which was undoubtedly front and center.

Must you be dishonest in all your posts? show some level of maturity, man!

my maturity is my acknowledgement of my mistake. How my saying that Aloy.Emeka fits your outburst of allegation that am dishonest, beats me. Care to explain, or your hatred of me as a muslim clouds your judgement and you cant see when a person is honest? Am I not a human being? Even your lord made mistakes which caused a tree its life before the season to fruit!

You sound like a man suffering from "blackman rage syndrome."

@Nezan: « #24 on: Yesterday at 12:15:55 PM »

John 10:30-33
30I and the Father are one. 31The Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from the Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Gbam!!

I am wondering if you did not realise that the people of your lord, the jews also call themselves lords and sons of god? But I am also wondering if you did not realise that "blasphemy" is what they are going to stone a man for, because he called himself God? To have called himself son of god, a term that all the Jews foolishly label themselves by, thinking it is a honorable way to elevate themselves, is humanly naive, but they are now saying that the man Jesus of the Bible says be went to far to say he is now that God; thats the problem; a blasphemy deserving a bigger stoning, which they proudly boasted to hang him for!

Now, Gbam, is a response from me.

i didnt ask about Mugabe, but my statement was about Zimbabwe, or any "christian" country in africa! How take Tutsi and Utsi: how is the life there? Any killings or rapings (South Africa). HIVS, AIDS and heartlessly menacing people, charming peple out of their properties (money) or outrightly snatching it from them. While I do not see any verse in the Quran supporting senseless killing or taking one;s life. What I see, rather is hard warning against something like that, with a very harsh consequences and similitude of such action.

But the Christians will say none of the accusations I list above against them is in the Bible. True, if you look at it without the considerations of the fact that "belief in the death, blood and resurrection" cumulatively cover them against whatever they do that is outrightly filthy; like a dirty rag?

I have heard many say that illigal sex is only a warning for individual's benefit and health or morals but is not consequential as to going to heaven (no paradise for Christians, anyway) or going to Lake of fire (christian's version of hell, I think, since am not one of them)!

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Quote from: olabowale on Today at 11:03:36 PM
@Godson2009: I am not answering for Abulbanaat, while he is away, could you therefore show me, where in the above, or anywhere in the Quran that "Allah" and since you are blaming Muhammad (AS), where is it that Muhammad said anyone should worship anything that is different from Allah?

In all my arguments with you I will want to read this, for my own edifice, while you and abulbanaat will carry on, as he returns.

dont even start that one with me abeg,you and i both know what mohammad meant by these verses especially the last verse so dont patronise me sire,you either rise up to the challenge you gys threw at my feet or foreever hold your peace, he asked me to state my contradictions in the quran which i picked out, i have not quoted anything out of the quran yet

The bolded is your response to my post above it. How you know that I agree with you on anything, except that you and I are humans, and all the humanly obvious values that we share beats me!

We are very different; you have 3 gods and star a cross on your neck. I neither want a cross around me, nor do I have any interest in anything similar to Ogun, Agemo, etc in my mind, gods or god! If with all our differences, you have managed to read my mind, tell me what I will be doing when you are rsepnding to me? I know you will be 100% wrong as you are wrong, 100% in calling a bleeder, an eater, slumberer, a deficater, a urinater, etc God, while you still have two others hanging around! Those are the facts, man.


When you make your accusation, I asked for proof, you did not produce any that is unrefutable. If you ask me to proof that you have 3 gods and one of them is a human (deficater), I will simply provide verses from your Bible.

Is that all there is in the Middle East? I remember Zimbabwe under Mugabe, a good Christian standard bearer. No? Loo sun. Orun yee ko ma kun iwo paddie yi. Abajo to fi nso ko ton ko ton!

I hope there is a full macarooni in the bowl, because in all of Quran, there is no Miriam. If you find any, please bring it forward, otherwise, you are just making empty noise.

Maryam is completely different and separate from your Miriam. We know Maryam from Quran as the mother of Jesus, a woman honored by calling her sister of Haruun!

I am honored when my mother calls me olu-ara Ode (Ode Remo, that is), and you know what; I have never gone there. How could I have been Olu of a place I dont implement "any" authority on?

@Godson2009: I am not answering for Abulbanaat, while he is away, could you therefore show me, where in the above, or anywhere in the Quran that "Allah" and since you are blaming Muhammad (AS), where is it that Muhammad said anyone should worship anything that is different from Allah?

In all my arguments with you I will want to read this, for my own edifice, while you and abulbanaat will carry on, as he returns.

Is Godson thinking at all? Is there a startup age for a man or woman to "hook up" (my hook up is marriage without a long courtship)? Muhammad (AS) was a virgin at 25, when he got married to a 40 year old twice divorced woman! If that is not a sign of him being of the highest of morality, I dont know what it is? Afterall, since you aregoing to criticise Lai for not hooking up for fun, I wonder what you will say of Christian Jesus who did not hook up, at all?

Muhammad said no one should be involved in sex outside marriage. The age of marriage is not specified but the sign to begin possibility of marriage is laced with willingness of the individual and acceptance to do so, from the time of puberty.

An iconoclast of idolatry is what Islam is and I wonder where you are going with your association of idoatry with Islam? Now let me say this; my mother is from Owo, and my late father (ra) was from Ijebu Ode. If any one from these two town, or my adopted home towns; Ibadan and Lagos, or if you know anyone that can take me to, in a public place and announce to your hometown or any at all, anywhere, and bring out the idol or some evil thing they worship that I should hurt it, if I can to show how unidolatry is Islam of Muhammad and all his followers are, wAllahi, in any town square, in the presence of the town's people, including yours or the village, I will shoot that thing dead or if not living thing, I will break it into pieces!


You wanna try it or ask anyone with influence you know to try me? Maybe your town or village? (Lol). I will kill that thing, by Allah.


Tell the person that you dare this muslim man, calling his religion paganic and see the reaction of that person shaking his head that what is it that came over you?  What I will say is exactly what my prohet and his companions said as they destroyed the 360 idol where one of them is a living being, like what is under "egungun" masquerade in Yorubaland!

@Richyblack: « #96 on: October 10, 2009, 07:42 AM »

Say any nonsense you want to say, think any foolishness your mind permits you to think. Just don't kill those that want to leave your religion. Na by force?

Same applies to christianity.

www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter6/ww1.html - Cached - Similar -

CHAPTER 6


WORLD WAR ONE

The heir to the Austria-Hungarian throne, Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife, were in Sarajevo on July 26, 1914. As they made their way through the crowded streets in an open carriage, shots rang out, and both of them were dead.

The people of Sarajevo were predominantly Serbians. Their religious conviction was that of Orthodox Christians. Since the year 1054, the Catholic church has been waging war against the Orthodox Christians. Fifty years prior to the assassination, the Croatians, who are Catholic, were becoming extremely vocal about their hatred for the Serbians, who were a rival of Rome and needed to be exterminated.

Pope Pius X, in his hatred of the Orthodox Christians, was continually inciting Emperor Francis Joseph of Austria-Hungary to ‘chastise the Serbians.’ After Sarajevo, on July 26, 1914, Baron Ritter, Bavarian representative at the Holy See, wrote to his government: “The Pope approves of Austria’s harsh treatment of Serbia. He has no great opinion of the armies of Russia and France in the event of a war with Germany. The Cardinal Secretary of State does not see when Austria could make war if she does not decide to do so now….” There, in true colours, is the Vicar of Christ [the pope], the gentle apostle of peace, the Holy Pontiff whom pious authors represent as having died of sorrow at seeing the outbreak of war. — Edmund Paris. The Vatican against Europe, The Wickliffe Press, p. 14.

One may say quite specifically that in 1914, the Roman Catholic Church started the series of hellish wars. It was then that the tribute of blood which she has always taken from the peoples began to swell into a veritable torrent. — Ibid, p. 48.

Thus we see that the pope realized that if Austria-Hungary crushed the Serbs, then the Serbs’ Orthodox Christian brothers from Russia would enter the fray. Then Germany, France and others would join in, and you have World War One. The papacy was thrilled to see Russia enter the conflict. Russia was predominantly Orthodox and the papacy wanted the Orthodox Christians in Russia and around the world annihilated.

The papacy’s Jesuits had another reason for being so happy when Russia entered the conflict. It was payback time. About 100 years before World War One began, Alexander I, the Russian emperor, kicked the Jesuits out of Russia.

Aloy-Emeka; You are correct. ButI thought that I read that in a world civilization class that I took some 30sothing years ago. I remember that it started on something very simple,almost ordinary like that.

However, as I am researching it, today, there is a lot discovered, especially the role of the Jesuits which was undoubtedly front and center.

@Kola Oloye: « #122 on: Yesterday at 01:34:18 PM »

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'and whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers' Quran 3:85

Who wrote that verse of the Quran? God, Muhammad or another fanatic like you?


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Kola was never a muslim, one of the few abeokuta people who grow up as keferi, from youth. Otherwise he should have known that the whole Quran is from Allah, and Muhammad (AS) only heard and repeated (one of the duty description of the another comforter, ala Jesus of the Bible!). baba Egba is going to be caught flatfooted, now as he struggles to respond.

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Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 06:26:23 PM
Kola was never a muslim, one of the few abeokuta people who grow up as keferi, from youth. Otherwise he should have known that the whole Quran is from Allah, and Muhammad (AS) only heard and repeated (one of the duty description of the another comforter, ala Jesus of the Bible!). baba Egba is going to be caught flatfooted, now as he struggles to respond.

Haba! Uncle, why now? .

Let us deal with the facts now. Show me in the Quran where we have it that 'the Quran' was written by Muhammad.
Do you know that the only surah "Surah Muhammad" that was dedicated to him was never written by him?

The above is my reasons for asking you to point out to us, who used not to be arabic teachers, if Muhammad (AS) wrote any letter or word or sentence, or paragraph, or chapter, etc of the Quran.

You Nezan must have a young child's mind! Did Yahweh write the Torah? Did Jehovah write the Psalm? Did Eloi write the Gospel? Think, man and stop being silly to the point of being ridiculous, considering that you are in Abuja, probably a Fed staff?

Sure. Same right and empowerment that men have, except the physicallity which is compensated by the freedom for her to remain home, if she wishes or she can get involved in the work force as appropriate.

By the way, the world is catching up to what Islam is used to; now the pundits in America are proposing that one of the ways of reeducating america, reawaking it is by making education of greater variety of disciplines available on the internet! Yet many are criticising the arabs for separating men from women, while interaction is by internet!


I may not agree with Arabs in many things, but where they apply the Sharia and Sunnah/Hadith, you see that the world, after a long struggle will come to the side of Islamic already established process.

@dexmond: « #18 on: Yesterday at 09:49:01 PM »

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Muhammd contradicted himself! Here christian will enter paradise, next they will not enter. Which one will I follow if I'm a Muslim? Oh hhhhhhh, our "prophet" is creating more confusion for us. Don't believe these verses until you have read them on www.quranexplorer.com

Dont gloat until you know the meaning of this verse by tafsir. It is clear that the Jews, Christians and Sabaeans of today will never enter paradise. By Allah if any dies without being Muslim, Paradise is forbidden to that person!

Believers, Jews, Sabaeans and Christians -
whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right -
shall have nothing to fear or regret.
-- Sura 5:69

With my above basic premise in hand, you must know that when the verse 69 of Chapter 5 was revealed, people have assumed that those believers who followed Moses when he was the leader of the Children of Israel have been termed as Jews, wrongly, since Moses was a Muslim, and not a Jew. It is natural that his true followers, in essence were Muslims, though you wrongly label them Jews! It is this type of wrongly labelled Jews, who were Muslims that the verse referred to. Apply the same for the companions of Jesus, before Saul Paul bastardized the mission of Jesus son of Mary!

Now, let me break it down further, so that it applies to people of today: Those who used to be Jews, Sabaeans, and or Christians, and or others when they accept Islam, they will wear a new and pure label; Muslims. These people, according to the verse, is a prediction that they will be people of Paradise, as long as they leave disbelief and enter Islam! All the values of not having to fear anything, etc applies to them.


Now dexmond, will you die with a hellfire destination an assured thing for you, because of your perchant for lies, and you think a man will be responsible for your salvation?

42:11: The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates. By this means He creates you (in the wombs). There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.

From the bolded (Laysa Kamitlihi sheun; Surah Shuraa) we see that what the heart and or the eye and or the mind can imagine, to be He is definitely not He! So those who say that He is an idol of Quraish, or Makka, or Arabs, or god, moon god, etc or He does not exist or limited in Power are completely wrong. Allah is profoundly Unique in His Essence. is there any but He or is there none without He, Alone?

im sorry sire,but your efforts writing this gibberish is wasted on me,like i told you i dont appreciate it when you tell me not to steal and you turn around and do the same thing like mohammed was doing, im sure if you told olayiwola not to freestyle with american girls he ll just ignore you and continue getting down with girls

He is a good boy and getting down with girld is not his priority at the moment. Am certain he will not refuse to speak the truth, just to score empty points.


A man who talks about raising family can not be reported to have copied a bachelor, about relationship with wife and children. Yes? And it is normal for mankind to eat, so when a person talks about what humans do, can he be assumed that he copied another man? Lol I am shaking my head because the reasoning I see people applying is far out!

well if mohammad's followers was a model way of picking followers then jesus christ had the best, mohammads followers were blood thirsty and ruthkess illers and armed robbers especially saad who was known for his utter ruthlessness

Good for you, lying does not count! None of Muhammad's close associates abandoned him, denied him, betrayed him!

And people like me who only dreamt about him, and believe in his messengership; I encourage people not to pay interest or receive any. Again, no woamn who is not my wife I sleep with, even though the body wishes it, but the soul and my heart will not go into it. Muhammad (AS) had the best of companons; Abu Bakr nicknamed as the truthful for believing Muhammad's words if they reported to him that thats what Muhammad said! I think that we could be doing tit for tat for eions, but I do not have to go there, because it is obvious that you are just not telling the truth!

Is it Peret, or James or Judas you will bring to the table? Please be serious because your joke is very stale.

you should be ashamed of yourself sire comparing turning over a couple of tables to a man who killed murdered innocent ppl in cold blood and stole from them.
i asked you before,will you equate yourself to a fig tree?can you marry a female fig tree as one of your wives??

When the miracle worker turns it to a pretty woman. I will make a nikah and say Audhubillahi minal sheitayni rajim. Bismillahir rRahmanir rRahiim. Thats all she wrote, man. I am unlike you, I have all the weapons to combat evil in Quran and Sunnah!

honestly just look at the weak accusations you are bringing up to justify a mohammad who killed thousands of people in cold blood in the name of jihad.
he raped slave girls and slept with a 9 years old and stole from thousands justifying it with some random assertion of prosecution,juxtapose what you have written about jesus with all that mohammed di,[/quote} What slave girl? Maryam the coptic (RA), mother of Kassim (RA)? That was not a slave, but his wife from the king of Egypt, similar to the gift of Pharaoh to Ibrahim, of hajar. Neither men sleep with women they were not married to! You think they are Christians who bruise every skin they see?

where did jesus christ spill a single blood?
he was the one one uplifting the table,ask yourself,why didnt the traders fight back,considering they were many and he was just one, doesnt that tell you that they knew they were in the wrong and so respected and acknowledged the young jeusus?

Let me excite you for a moment; what bood did Judas Iscariot spilled except that the betrayal? If not spilling blood is the hallmark of goodness in Christianity, Judas passed in flying color, and his obedience to Jesus engrained him as one of the rock of that generation. No?

When you deny this, then know that you have said your human god does not know how to pick followers and also condemned, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon; all generals in wars! lol. Let me let you off on the table thingy, because thats a tying up ropes that you cant get out of. For sure.

so why dont you ppl simply steal our own idea of closing your eyes when praying?it wont be the first time you are stealing our ideas and we dont mind
wouldnt that cause you from distraction,and save you the rigmarole and confusion of your women being at the back??lol

Let me laugh at you for a moment, because who ever copies you, might as well get involved in te Sango worship, ala protocol similarity. You have an intermediary, they have intermediary, too.

let me show you the siliness of it from another angle, remember these days mohammad and his followers mostly prayed in the open i.e deserts e.t.c with an ever present danger of ambush from enemies,dont you see how much emphasis he placed on the women in his camp leaving them at the back in the open?
if there was an ambush who will receive the first onslaught of arrows if not the ones at the back where normal ambush takes place??women were like objects to sleep with and satisfy a male sexual need and to do the household chores for mohammad,hence the reason he and his followers treated them like camels and horses

You must be thinking of the other guy, with deniers, betrayers and weaklings and soldiers who are ill prepared. We are talking about Lions; Hamzah, Farooq/Sheriff; Umar, Saffullah, Ali (RA to all of them). Women are like polished diamonds, in best of wrap and kept in the most secured vault! You understand, unlike the butt cheeks exposing, bad boys in the front are half out. Women in my Islam and your Christian are cared for like precious gem and foolls gold respectively!



[Quote]well i am really sorry for that,and i will keep praying for you for your redemption,you will be suprised when the holy ghost arrests you[/quote]Thats a prayer that is weak and will not be accepted by Allah! Any way, its your mouth, your time and your energy; Well you these things for the heck of it anyhow, receiving nothing, as expected, except soaking in blood. man, I dont want it, no three gods for me. Lol. this is for you Ohsisi.

@Godson2009: « #469 on: Today at 09:02:16 PM »  

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 04:42:30 PM
@Godson2009: « #463 on: Today at 03:27:03 PM »  Every believing women in his time. before then Maryam the mother of Isa bin Maryam (AS), Asiiya as in Ashiawu in yorubaland, Sarah the wife of Ibrahim (AS), and Hajar the second wife of Ibrahim! Allah is the One Who elevated the wives of the Messenger (AS) in honoring place; Surah Azhab verse 32 says the wives are not like other women, which is to mean that what applies to them in sexuality, marriage and remarrying when they become widows; But before this, Ahhah says if the wives wanted to be off from the family of Muhammad (AS) they should just say so and it will be done and be over with: Verse 28 made it very clear that even as a poor man, it was going to be a display of Miracle from Allah to send them away with HANDSOME sending away parting gift:

28:O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Say to your wives: If you desire the life of this world, and its glitter, Then come! I will make a provision for you and set you free in a handsome manner (divorce).

32: O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.

Its a shame that you draw no benefit from this, above. What a big shame when a heart is impure. But God is not to be blamed, but gods are!

reading your long winded comments are always so daunting and mentally tiring,especially as 80% of it either doesnt make sense or a repeat of the same thing,in answer to all that you have written above could you just answer yes or no.

If I was interested in dry conversation, I will callsomebody else, or respond with a yes or no. But you aint the boss of me! No one on earth, and Boss is Allah Taala! I find you boring, but I have developed thick skin. So.

did the quran say women must be caned if they are disobedient?yes or no,
i am sure you will agree with me,this answer does not need way too much explanations

If I would insult you, i would say that you sound like a valley girl. But I would not say tat; maybe dumb blood is more appropriate here. While I ignore your silly antics, let me answer your question with a verse from the Quran, while I say yes, in the same way that Ayub (Job) whip his wife 100 lashes; Did she get hurt or cried or wept like those who wept/weep? Surah 38 verses 41/44 will explain this.Did Muhammad (AS) beat/caned/hit any of his partners? No!

And make mention (O Muhammad) of Our bondman Job, when he cried unto his Lord (saying): Lo! the devil doth afflict me with distress and torment. (And it was said unto him): Strike the ground with thy foot. This (spring) is a cool bath and a refreshing drink. And We bestowed on him (again) his household and therewith the like thereof, a mercy from Us, and a memorial for men of understanding. And (it was said unto him): Take in thine hand a branch and smite therewith, and break not thine oath. Lo! We found him steadfast, how excellent a slave! Lo! he was ever turning in repentance (to his Lord). S. 38:41-44

So Kunle is saying that what Christian and Jewish God provided is not enough to understand anything or enough to navigated the maze of life; from cradle to grave? When will this God provides you what is missing?

If you have no answer; Quran will be an adequate spiritual drinking fountain, to quench your taste, each time you need to replenish! Dont be arrogant to take me up on this offer; Its free.

Kola was never a muslim, one of the few abeokuta people who grow up as keferi, from youth. Otherwise he should have known that the whole Quran is from Allah, and Muhammad (AS) only heard and repeated (one of the duty description of the another comforter, ala Jesus of the Bible!). baba Egba is going to be caught flatfooted, now as he struggles to respond.

@Noetic15: « #464 on: Today at 03:47:23 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 02:16:22 AM
@Noetic15: « #452 on: October 08, 2009, 06:07 PM » We will read below how true is the pinch, or pint. Maybe its actually a ship load of Salt, heading for West Africa.

allah has guided muslims to
a. paedophilia. . . . , ayotollah of iran confirms it. Olabowale of yorubaland denies it! And everywhere you turn, if we want we will waylay you and hijack your thoughts, not allowing it any time to root! lol. Wei mu no yin.
b. terrorism . . . , allah delusively promised terrorists a place in his sexually infested paradise This dude called noetic must love sex. Its a statement of affirmation and further he is sexually frustrated. Get your mind off it. Fast like mondays and Thursdays and the three days of the full moon, when people are hot because of moon pull on the liquid and the human is at least 50% liquid, you know.

c. amputation, beheading and ostracizing of defenceless people Jesus was defenseless when the Jews arrested him? How is it that God the Creator is defenseless?

d. killing of apostates and preaching of hatred Denier noetic is blind as a bat, after all the verses and the tafsir, he still got stuck in that same mindset. Olabs is rite all along; you sir, mr, noetic15 is a stubborn man. Incorrigible. Corrupted mind you have no wonder guidance is not reaching you!

allah's guidiance is evil. . . . . I dont want it. And Allah says your open enemy is the devil, oh children of Adam. I wo ogbeni yi o mo ibi tio ndun e rara!

does your post make any sense?

I wo o le kaa nkon kon ni? Abi inu e ti shu ju o wa le ri ron? Abeg, so sidon!

well then like they say birds of a feather, so im guessing you will imbibe all of mohammad's many vices to show you how selfish what you have said is,and how self centered mohammed must have been to put that in your quran, what happens to a child you have given birth to in your 60s or 70s after yopu are gone?

InshaAllah I will still be here much longer. Olayiwola will be a great grandfather while am stil strong enough to take care of myself. So leave my life alone with Allah, Whom all my trusts are with! Copying Muhammad (AS), I do not drink, smoke, and night crawl. And by Allah, in my business life, businesses executives throw women at me so that I can do business with them. And no single freebie have I ever extended my manhood to snatch off the rack; since 1992 or earlier! Aburo, if you are in my position, and if a man says he is in that position and walking away without wanting to eat some of the dishes, and they are varied; white, black, etc, I as a Nigerian male, knows that this man cant just be an ordinary follower of Jesus, as I am an ordinary follower of Muhammad (AS)!

Since Muhammad says that the Ribah of Abbass ibn Abi Mutalib is under his foot, I took it as a direct instruction to me not to involve in Riba. But of course, I read the Ribah verses in Baqarah, Imran and Nisaa Surah.

we all wish to live till our eighties and nineties,but what if you dont live more than seventy something leaving a child who is barely a teenager?guess you dont care how he survives or fends for himself or herself??

I lost my father before I was well into my teenage years and by Allah, He made my life easy and I turn out to be a good man, law aboding and did not really suffer. He worked hard to leave a legacy and even now after 40+ years, his estate is left undivided because not many of us, including the women want anything from it. So your statement is kinda silly, since am a hard worker and independently wealthy. Alhamdulillah.

i dont want to know or bother my hhead about all that,all i know is that mohammad married a 6 years old and slep with her when she turned 9 years old why are you blantantly lieing about that?
even yur brother abulnaat admitted

Neither abulbannat nor me, is a 100% authority of Islam. That answers the difference of opinion, a niamaAllah for the muslim ummah. He and I will not disagree in any verse in the Quran or any authentic ahadith, since what you said from Aisha (RA) the mother of believers, is an ahadith by definition. This only, I can use as my basis of disqualifying it.