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@GODSON2009:

1.paedophilia,violence and religious intolerance,armed robbery(or highway robbery) sexual hedonism

for a supposed prophet who we are all mean to look up to and follow in his footsteps,he isnt a very good moral example is he?

And as a boy who grow up in the Nigerian "proom" era, am sure you must have heard it, and it was the Islam of Muhammad (AS) that did not allow me to participate, while all my christian age group people were doing it in house parties and the Saturday Afternoon Jumps. And the pedophilia case I have answered many times and just did above from Noetic. You guys need to coordinate and ommunicate so that you do not ask same question more than One time!

not mentioning that he was sexist
2.what is the reward ofislamic women/females either on earth and in your own version of paradise? apart from being the object of sexual orgy for eternity.

All the wives of the prophet (AS) were the mothers of the believers, including their own mothers and fathers. This is more honoring a position than any place of honor that has ever been awarded to a woman anywhere. Men and women believers are guaranteed equal Paradise to have partner (Hourin), and they are partners to each other. Can you show me from the Bible where the men and wome are equal, except women are like possession, cattle or something like that to men?

3.why the constant about turns and convenient revelations anytime your prophet wanted to have his ways?
first at the beginning of his prophetic ministry when he needed all the help he could get he ingratiated himself to the jews by praying in the direction of jerusalem untill he did an about face later,the satanic verses(im sure you know what i mean or i could elaborate(53;19-23)

You must be a close acquintance of Noetic or it is England syndrome, ala disbelief?

4.when he started his shina rambo exploits because he couldnt be bothered with farming like others neither could he be bothered with laying a good example for his followers,he retorted to highway robbery and when people complained,he conveniently got a "revelation" i ould go on about several convenient revelations he got to suit his purpose, the jesus christ you are pouring vitriol on has no controversies over him,he had several opportunities to take advantage of the ladies that he helped but we have heard of no ocassion either in the bible or even quran that he indulged in the disgraceful moral vices that mohammad did

His shina (dum nigerian in UK) did help me not to go to shina. The rest of your statement is just as foolish so I will not bother to answer them. And I am a yoruba man who ti ko ni mu Oson kon nimu igba oson pupo to dun. Yet I walk away from Shina. Show me how Jesus prevent you from Shina and i will show you pastors in homosexual lifestyle, etc! She o ri aiye e lode pelu shina?

the last is,why is a supposed prophet in love with food,perfumes , isnt he supposed to be frugal and turn his back to the things of the world?? waiting for a stright and brief answer thanks lol

They see British people stink, and you sure have copied them if you hate perfumes. I hope you do eat because Jesus did not see a food that he did not like. Read your Bible, again!

May Kelly: « #208 on: Today at 04:12:51 PM »

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« #197 on: Today at 03:24:00 PM »  

how do u explain the fact that allah calls himself a WE. . . . . . .is that a legion of demons? if allah is one, why call himself a we?

You live in England, and you must have heard how Queen talks about herself? If you havent, ask a white English person about Majestc pronoun, or go to the British Library for information or historian who is an expert in British royalty. Dont live in England and dont let England live in you the best of it.



[Quote]allah does not even know how long it took him to make the earth.
allah gave conflicting figures that revealed his ignorance and dishonesty.[/quote]You are so ignorant that your ignorance makes you so blind that you do not even see how elementary my explanation was. You breath throughout your life. Your blood flows throughout your life. You eat through some portion of your life. You sleep some other portion also. If I stop here not listing anything else, what how many life times have you lived when I have listed things that if you add them up as I have listed, then take it as you have taking other things the whole of Creations, then you would have lived at least 2 plus lifetimes! Is that possible and cant you do more than one thing at the same time?

I can because as I am typing, am also on the phone; Duuh. You a waste of my time and soon I will finally get the courage to completely ignore you and will not even respond to you.



[Quote]Allah is the Only Commander and Disposer of all affairs.
if he truly is as u said. . . then why did he ask u to kill others. . .shouldnt he be doing the killing himself?[/quote]Did Yahweh killed all those the Children of Israel Killed? Yahweh is not your God? If Jesus was Yahweh or part of Yahweh, then why did Jesus not kill or those the children of Israel killed? Why didnt Jesus not kill himself and let the Pharisees do it? You see how ridiculous your rants are? It will be ashame to learn that you are educated. Really.

allah is a complete fraud. mohammed is his only messenger. if the OT prophets were from allah, why did allah do away with anointing oil?

But Jesus did away with anniting oil.  No? You see you are the fraud and your fraud stibks, shamelessly! You cant even cover it.

is that why the other 359 idols in arabia were deystroyed?

360 and a jinn in human form. Go and read before you give wrong info since you are not muslim and not arab.

a. where are the deeds of Enoch recorded in the koran?

I think in Surah Yunus. It is stated that Allay raises a prophet higher than another. This was about Idris, Enoch was found in 3rd heaven while Jesus and john were in decond, a level about Adam on first, seeing the soulds of his children; crying to see the ones for hell and happy to see the one to paradise.

b. where is your evidence that Abraham or Isaac EVER knew allah?

Ibrahim (AS) told the children that they should worship Allah and no one else. They passed that to their children; Isaac to Jacob and co. jacob to the children.  Ismail the older son who was left in Makka would not be called an idol worshipper, except by those who have no shame. Ismail (AS) as I have indicated did not deviate from the way of his father. And it is Ibrahim and Ismail (AS) who built the Makka after the flood of Nuh (AS).

c. if allah sent Elisha and Elijah. . .where are their books in the koran? why did allah stop using anointing oil?

Read Surah Ambiyya, Hud, Yunus, Qasas. Is thae oil so important to you that you cant let go? Is the Oil used on living people or on dead people? I believe that you are held in traditional belief and if this is so, one will have to wonder why Jesus changed the rule that goat blood is nt good anymore and it is own blood that take its place?



[Quote]was allah not powerful enough to preserve just one copy of the bible from corruption? why did allah not send another original bible[/quote]He chose to preserve the Quran and not the earlier Books, because the last one will be sure to be Unique and remain ure for everlasting.

why should anyone believe the LYING allah?
how was the koran revealed. . .was it over 23 years?. . . .  .was it given to mohammed by jubril to read?
if the koran was given to mohammed. . .how come it took 300 years before the koran was written? who lied? is it allah or mohammed?

You should proo your points since you are the one making the accusations, while I have explained this very points. I wonder if you even read any posts to answer your questions? I am waiting for you to supply your proofs.

u have not told us why allah abandoned the traditions of the OT prophets and chose islam.

None of the Old Prophets was a Jew or Christian by religion, except that they are Muslims, bowing their will to Allah in pure submission. Thats Islam. I wonder if you never ask yourself the Question why is Jesus not a Christian and you? Dont you see that it is senseless to abandone his way and at the same time you say you follow him?

[/quote]how can a paedophile be a prophet? how can a murderer, liar, fraud, dishonest bigot and terrorist be a prophet? how can an unintelligent and dishonest plagiarist be a prophet?
how can a man who took his adopted-son's wife be a prophet? how can inconsistent and irrational thinker be a prophet? how?. . . I just dont get it.[quote]

Your ignorance is clearly a disease that will lead you to spiritual ruin. And you are firmly on that path. How does a husband becomes a pediophile with his wife. Do you any in England or in your home tome town in Nigeria? Ten let me ask you; how can any one who was hung by creations be the Creator? Dont you have any ability to think when it comes to real life, a way to secure happiness of your soul?

The bolden does not deserve my response, because I think you are talking crazy and foolish and i am getting tired of talking to stupidity. If you are still young and naive and needs to be spoon fed, I understand, then you need to listen, but how is it possible to handle yourself without your parents in England? I am not getting your thinking!

did mohammed heal the blind, sick, lepers, lame . . . .? did mohammed encourage the broken hearted? did mohammed preach peace?
is there ANYWHERE in the koran or haddith where mohammed said he is going to paradise?

I have responded to that about a week or less than two weeks ago on "The Greatest Miracles of Islam"  started by Pligrim.1. Go read my posts. I will not repeat it again because you can simply go there and read.

[Quote]does allah give people the chance to repent? why does he not let apostates repent? why does he want them killed?[/quote]There is no verse in the entire Quran says APOSTATES should be killed. And the hadith that says whoever leaves hs religion should be killed is so general that if it is to be accepted, then you Noetic can kill a muslim who convert to Christian, or a Jew who converts to Islam or a Hindu who converts to no religion specifically but an ideology. So this ahadith must be qualified. The Qualifies are therefore if they begin to malign Islam and bent on stopping it and waging war against it. Let us be frank is there a society or a people or person who will not oppose the enemy that is open and eager to destroy him? The Devil is an open enemy to us, and I oppose him, hope you do, too.

who has allah EVER shown mercy to? produce an example either from the haddiths or the koran?

Those who had genuine excuses not to go to te Battle of Badr. Later I will get you the verse and there is an ahadith or a story about it that Muhammad (AS) glance at the man who was still waiting for Allah's decision on his not being part of the campaign, was a comfort of hope on him. Allah says of those believers who participated in the battle of Badr that they are forgiven all their sins, even the sins of the future. No where has any religion states that their God forgave then wholesale like that even the sins of the future and the muslims were 330 people military then, the same exact number that went to war in which underaged David defeated giant Goliat.

« #195 on: Today at 03:09:53 PM »  

where is this written in your koran?

A person dies when the soul is removed from the body. It becomes spirit since you dont see it. But in the Quran it says that the Shuadah's soul are stored inside a bird in Paradise, living, eating and going to places in Paradise. We do know that Paradise is in Heaven, and not on earth.

Do u remember I once challenged u on a thread titled "is allah a forgiving deity?". I asked to produce ONE instance of either allah or mohammed EVER forgiving a person.
u did not. . . . . I am now repeating this challenge to ALL NAIRALAND MUSLIMS.

And I showed you then that Muhammad (AS) forgave the whole Pagan Makka even though they expected him and his followers to kill then based on what they have done in the some 20 odd years before te Victory.

@Noetic:

surah 19:71 says ALL MUSLIMS are going to hell. . . . .so what paradise are u talking about?

Read the below so that you see that it is not the Muslim, but all mankind will pass over it (Hell) and the evil doers will fall into it, while believers will not.
[b]19:6: Does not man remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
19:6: So by your Lord, surely, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Shayatin (devils) (with them), then We shall bring them round Hell on their knees.
19:69: Then indeed We shall drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against the Most Beneficent (Allah).
19:70: Then, verily, We know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein.
19:71: There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell); this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished.
19:72: Then We shall save those who use to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And We shall leave the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers, etc.) therein (humbled) to their knees (in Hell).
19:73: And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, those who disbelieve (the rich and strong among the pagans of Quraish who live a life of luxury) say to those who believe (the weak, poor companions of Prophet Muhammad SAW who have a hard life): "Which of the two groups (i.e. believers and disbelievers) is best in (point of) position and as regards station (place of council for consultation)."[/b]

@Abuzola: A knowledge that is not shared could get one punished. I read enough of Quran to have found it. I hang around people of knowledge from all over the world that I have questions from some of the renown scholars. Today no one has provided a verse about Apostasy, except hadith that is so broad that need thorough explanation otherwise Christians will be Killing Muslims who convert to them, and muslims will be killing hindu who convert to them, and everyone will be killing everybody, if we just take the Ahadith as is.

@Nezan: You are one of the most incorrigibles. You have demostrated what Quran says about those who denied Muhammad (AS). They also denied Malaika Jibril (AS). Allah says that they are also enemy of Malaika Mikail (AS).

If you die in your state, you will be punished from the point of death all through grave, even if you burnt your body, your soul is unburnt and Allah will reasseble your body and you will go to Hell unopposed because Jesus himself as a slave of his Creator will hope the rush you faster in for the everlasting humiliation. Wait and we are all waiting along with the Creator.

You are planning and Allah is planning too to oppose your effort and render your effort futile, then you will be punished, for sure. Isear by Allah that if you die without being muslim, Hell is waiting eagerly for you.

The prophet(AS) says that a person will be one arm length to Hellfire and if he/she is meant for Paradise, e will do things of Paradise and enters it. If a person of hellfire does all his life things of Paradise and his heart has made his soul belonging Hell, even at an arm length, he/she will turn and do what will make him/her be claimed for hell.

Casket is no Islamic and definitely Gold casket is not. Allah's Messenger (AS) says that whoever wants to put hell fire around his one neck should wear a gold chain/necklace. Whoever puts gold ring on his/her own finger then the person is wearing hell fire. To cover the body with Gold casket is completely shocking, especially for a man who was so frugal, attaching his name to Islam so much. Its unbelievable if its true, by his will or by his family changing his wishes to that; First detaying his burial and now this.

This is the reason that whoever wishes to marry must do it with a better "Believer" instead of Keferi!

Allah has no child, begotten or not.

Allah does not have Parents.

Allah does not die.

And if you are not a Muslim, you will have no chance to enter Paradise.

Everyone makes heaven, but in there, there is Paradise and Hell, and where you enter is based on the true piety of worshipping the true deen,

Allah is the Only Forgiver, Sustainer, Protector, Punisher.

Allah is the Ony Receiver of Repentance.

Allah is the Only One Who can give Mercy.

@Noetic: « #189 on: Today at 12:55:47 PM »

For the purpose of this thread I agree that I am a bigot and also ignorant. . . . , . .so now I need help.
without resorting to long stories. . .can u illustrate 10 issues about islam that I am ignorant about. . . , these 10 issues must be your selling point for islam.

Allah is One.

There is no Partner god, gods, Gods, or any other.

Allah is the Creator and no other creator or creators.

Allah is the Only Commander and Disposer of all affairs.

Allah sends Messengers and prophets to their people on one singular purspose;

There is no other God along with He and Only He should be worshipped.

The religion of Allah on Mankind is Islam.

The chain of Messengers and Prophets began with the first man and ended up with Muhammad, but included inbetween Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lut, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, etc, Moses and Haron, Elisha, Elijah, Zachariah, John, David, Solomon, Jesus (AS); all of them Muslims.

Allah sent Books Torah, Sabuh and Injil, pure at time of revelations in the hands of the Prophets, and became corrupted after they left.

Allah revealed Quran and promises to protect it from ever being corrupted, part of the reasons it is easy to be memorized even my young people, old people, male and female.

Allah choose Islam for the religion of man, the reason He commanded each prophet to Make Salah, pay Zakah, Fast Saum, and many of the preMuhammad prophethood from the children of Israel went to make hajj which Father Abraham called mankind to do (Isaac did not severe relationship with his older brother in Makka, Jacob knew about his uncle in makka). Isaac is not the child that was put to the slaughter.

Muhammad is the Prophet and Messenger of our time, and he is the one we are to follow, it is the Quran that is given to him that we must read and leave Bible the corrupted Book made up from the Old Books; Torah, Sabur, and Injil, partly leaving some truth, changing parts and adding others to come up with what you carry around as Christians, hence the post Jesus GoodNews is so important to disbelieving, coming up with impossibilities; Religious name; Christianity, Multiple Godship; Trinity, making a man god and an angel god too while making God a sedintery being by placing Him on a chair and calling Him Father.

@Godson2009: « #190 on: Today at 01:23:00 PM »

@olabowale
AGAIN you have neglected to answer my main questions about your prophet mohammad regarding the controversies surrounding him and his religion,neither have you acknowledged the bare facts i have given you backed up with your own religious texts, instead you are resorting to your old tricks answering questions with conjectures, if jesus christ begged that GOD should pass the cup over him,that is to show you and also confirm that our father in heaven GOD,because of his love for us paid the ultimate sacrifice by sacrificing his only begotten son(begotten not in our own context of giving birth,but sort of his own companion,helper son e.t.c) not only to come to earth,but to experience everything pain,dissappointments,violence e.t.c that every normal human beings experience so that we would not have the excuse of saying he does not feel what we are feeling as an excuse in the last days, jesus was only being human by asking that the impending suffering be passed over his head, if you saw a vision that your side will be pierced by spears,you will be whipped e.t.c as long as you are human,human nature will kick in.

Whatever your discipline in school, if you give this type of analysis in any term paper, except to a person of the Christian cloth who will be easily seduced, you will have to get a fat Zero for silly effort! A God who created and gave you free will to choose right from wrong after giving you the consequential effect of your choice will not subject Himself to your level of humanity, abandoning His Lordship just that you do not blame him or have any excuse to even think about it. Why give you Free will to make choices, hopefully the right choice then? And lets just take sex outside marriage to illustrate: The people who do this know that it is bad, I think its in the pages of the Bible. But they make their choices and how did the unmarried Jesus explained this by his coming; for people not to marry, if you take his action and not the advise in the Bible? This is terrible on your part!

And what did you ask about Muhammad (AS) that the Muslims have not answered? If I did not, there are many who have the knowledge to give you better answer than me on Nairaland! List them for everyone to see and lets have the opportunity to rspond, and dont rush us.

nobody has ever said we have 2 or 3 gods, we have one GOD,jesus his son which i have explained his duties earlier on to you and the holy ghost who he sent as jesus replacement when he rose up, remember in the bible he said to the disciples that he will send them a messenger that will replce him?that is the holy ghost hence the reason why it is said GOD the father the son and the holy ghost, if we worshipped 3 GODS then we should be saying GOD 1,GOD2 AND GOD 3 OR SENIOR GOD AND 2 JUNIOR GODS RIGHT?

Just because you did not say it, your ways it already, which proofs your hypocracy! Jesus by your account is a full God. No? Then Ghost by your own account is a full God. No? And Jehovah/Yahweh whom Jesus called Eloi on the cross, while you claim He is your father is full God. No? When you count the number of full God(s) as presented, please let me know how many: 1 or 3?

And your explanation above is for babies, and we are grown in here!

why do you think GOD called himself the GOD of issac?and also that isaac was his beloved,
it is because isaac did what GOD later did with jesus christ,offered his only son as a sacrifice,

For starter, God (Oluwa in Yoruba Language, Allah in Arabic), is for all and not for Isaac alone. Afterall, He is God of Isaac's mother, his father Abraham, his older brother Ishmael, his step mother hagah. So you hypothesis does not make any sense. Finally, show me a process to indicate that Isaac was the intended slaughter and I will show you with full evidence that it was not Isaac but his older brother that was the intended slaughter.

Finally on this matter, God protected the child from being slaughtered and replaced him with a Ram, and if this is what God did and it is similar to what He did with Jesus, you have your answer, completely in agreement with what Islam says about te bouched up crucifixion; It did not happen just like the slaughter, because protected the persons and prevented the death occurring. Thanks to Allah Who has made your heart to reveal the truth about this matter. Now you cant say that you do not know that it was a trial run but it did not happen!

@Uplawal: As Salaamualaykum WR Taala WB, Ukhtu (Sister). May Allah make it easy for you and bless you and accept all you ibadah and unite us all with our beloved Muhammad (AS) on the day that he has been promised ((Surah Mariam's Verse 87) Intercession (Shaffa), a position of honor over all those who will allowed to make less honoring shaffa (other Messengers and Prophets (AS) and Shuadahs, etc), and be covered by it, the HONORING SHAFA before Allah. Amin.


@Jagoon:#183 on: Today at 07:22:32 AM »  

@uplawal
I guess it would have been ok if your father had given you away to be dis-membered by a man old enough to be your grand father when you were six years old.
Religion truely breeds insanity.

Abu Bakr (RA) is like today's Donald Trump of New York City. If "The Donald" had married off Ivanka at any age, say 18, when it is now a fashion that most women if not al prefer carriers over family, am sure somebody in New York during the announcement will have something to say. And definitely 1400 years from now, when the story of Manhattan's elites are being told and Trump is mentioned to have married of Ivanka to the best man in the whole of America, indeed the world for all times, some looney will say that the husband, who took this woman, an obviously smart level headed girl, unlike Paris Hilton, etc, is an evil man. Why marry her at 18, and not waiting until she is success in her carrier say at 45 because people now live to a right full age of 180 in Space Station? Abu Bakr (RA) the father of Aisha (RA) is the Trump of his time, so the similarity in my analysis.


We have asked, and am here asking you Jagoon, to tell us the age of Aisha, if you know it, by telling us exactly when she was born. Please use the landmark event in her family life and indeed the who of makka and Arab bloodline to inform us of this; She is from these community. This is the event of the beginning of Muammad's Islam; Her father was the first mature man to be become muslim. Was she born before this event of her father becoming Muslim, or was it after? If before what was her age when her father became muslim and how many years was Muhammad (AS) a prophet before Abu Bakr was a Muslim?

These are questions that will establish the truth of her age, in the year that she married the prophet and later consumate the marriage. As we know if the ahadith is truly from her, she was direct enough to provide enough information which included that there was sex involved as it was called consumation, the first sexual intercourse. But no one noticed that she did not say anything about the event, for an underage would have inked that she was underage and not ready and matured enough for sexual intercourse. Aisha (RA) our mother was not shy about ahadith that only wives could give. But this one about her age is an incomplete in details at best. And the chain is just one leading to her but never going to the prophet, and her father was not asked about her age, hence this is not an ahadith, for the definition of Ahadith is that it is the saying of Muhammad (AS) alone, or what he hears people say and be silent about it, not rebuking them which in its actuality indicate that he agrees and may actually be he saying it.

The ahadith of the age of Aisha (RA) our mother, I submit to you as I have submitted in earlier conversation is not an ahadith, for sure not a sound ahadith because it does not fit ahadith by definition, and the chain of narration id not sufficient for something that important and many other reasons. So unless you can provide for us the timeline that will put her age at 6, then my statement is going to stand, and if you wish I will give you proofs to support the different age that she was when she got married.

@Noetic: Go to the mirror and see who is staring back at you. That person is the Biggest Bigot I have ever met in my life. That person is naked shameless in his stubborn ignorance as he blindly rejects every possible and practical explanation and answer to his questions, assumptions, etc.

Should muslims give better evidence of Oneness of Allah and separates the Almighty from the socalled moon-god allah as the enemies of Islam wants us to believe? There is no better evidence available under the sun than Quran and the explanation of what the Quran says by the ahadith. If you have it, any of you nonMuslims, then show it. We the muslims are not shakened by your moon-god label. He is sun God, human God, angel God, star God. The truth is that allah of the preIslamic arab is the same as oluwa of the preMonotheistic yoruba, while Allah of the Muslims is the same as Oluwa of One God believers of yoruba people.

And we in Islam ask the Christians; please tell us how three entities; Jesus who you claimed died for some times, Ghost who you can not identify by name as you do with Jesus and Yahweh an always in command entity all are One God, without any explanation, yet they are always 100% full Gods, in life and in the death of Jesus?


When none of you can give us a fool-proof, know that there is n All Powerful in Command God, without partners and always alive and undiminished in His Authority and Position and Able to do all things. He is Allah and there is nothing likened on to Him, Unique in every aspect of all definitions. This uniqueness kills the "make man in Our own image" and "trinity, as trinity is saying that there are more than One Creator", etc, ideas. They are simply ideas, like idea of "Evolution", it cant be proven and, speculations without practical evidences to proof it and evidences to reel against any opposition that is evidentially correct is not good enough.

May Allah protects all of you from the evils, known and unknown. Amin.

Make Nafl prayers always in the house and let Quran tapes play, always.

When you walk-in into a new house, normally make ahdhan in the four corners of every room, except the bathroom. Do this often for 7 days, and again let Quran be recited in it, so play the Quran tapes, CD, etc, and listen to recitation. End it everyday or as often the advises of the others above.

@Davidylan: Just like you are jumping between the possibility of Rapture or not, your chance that Jesus is a Christian is just that, a chance that is not even 10%. The muslims will not claim that Jesus is not a Bani Israil, but he is not a Yahuud, he is on the same religion like Ibrahim (AS)!

Will Rapture meet you or you will wait in vain for it and grow old and wither just like the same way a 150 year old withers?

Look at the two moomoo boys tripping over each other as the try to deny the obvious. For sure Jesus was not a Christian and only a Jew by blood, and not Jewish by religion, since he made prostrations, many many time, and then he was correct the deviants to go back to the Prophets, and not just Moses, duuh.


Incidentally, Muhammad (AS) met Christians, and had them as guests in Madina. He let them stayed and worship in the masjid and they had conversation with him. Incidentaly, Al Nagashi of Ethiopia became a muslim as a King whose religion was Christianity as Surah Mariam was recited, he wept and realised that Jesus and his mother just humans, and can never be god and mother of god!

Abuzola you are correct the West thing, as I reread the opinion of Sleek29. There is extremism permitted in Islam, Allah saying that "a nation of Middle course" is what Islam is to be. I am sure if Islam is not standing in opposition to "One World Order" spoken about by Papa Bush and then the gang are planning to carry it, it would have been a slam dunk by now.


@Nezan: « #60 on: Yesterday at 12:30:25 PM »

Why are you so untrustworthy? you said on the other thread that you care less for shi'te because to you, they are not muslims. I hate liars

Is there a liar worse than you when you lied against your Creator, His Angel and His Prophet, saying they are all gods?

I am shocked that are not ashamed and my dislike for Shia is about few of their thinkings, some Sunni Royal family and Kings I cant stand, an I cant stand my own evil deeds, too. Its a Shia cleric "Tarik Sala" from Egypt who told me to wear beard, so there. And we used to make a lot of Sunnah fast together.

Abuzola As Salaamualaykum WR taala WB; Please give me the Verses in the Quran and it is not a good thing not to share knowledge that a muslim has to better other Muslims.

Sleek said western Nigeria, and my respond is to that. But am only eager to know the Verses in the Quran that says one must kill apostates. There are tafsir to research it for better understanding as soon as you give the information.

@GODSON2009: How do you interprete the begging of Jesus in the garden of Geshemane as he prayed, except what it is; begging?!
How do you interprete oh Israel your Lord and my Lord is but One God, except what it is, the speaker and listeners have One God?

@KunleOshob: What questions did we not answer from Noetic?

@Skyone: We will be waiting, InshaAllah!

@Noetic: Continue to project your Ostrich Syndrome.

@The Seeker: Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullahi Taala wa Barackatuh.
May Allah reward you and give you strength to struggle against the evil of evil Multitude.

@Sleek29:« #62 on: Today at 04:42:04 PM »

moderate islam is found in the west(where muslims are in the minority), there is no such thing as moderate islam, its just a way of getting their religion accepted in a secular society, the moment they have a greater number of followers than non-muslims they'll declare an islamic state and then the real islam comes up.

Which west are you talking about, except maybe Ondo and for sure Ekiti State? The rest of the other, even Osun state, can Islam be a minority?

I wo keferi yi, she o mo pe yoruba nimi? Tell me about Ibadan, Oyo, Ede, Iwo, Ogbomoso, Abeokuta, Ilaro, Ijebu Ode, and others, like the whole of Lagos state, except Badagry, where is the minority enclave of Muslims in this places?

If was Islam that gave Abiola the strength to confront the evil Awolowo in Ikenne by taking the Military boys along with him to make sure that Awolowo was incapacitated and could not do anything to him as he was invited to chair the muslim event in there. May Allah forgve Abiola by that single deed, confronting the tyrannical keferi Awolowo.

And sleek, when I start living in Nigeria, if you have a place you think that this Olabowale cant come, when invited, gather your force, because I will do exactly what Abiola did to Awolowo on you or any Christian tyrant. Emi Olabowale Eru Olorun Oba lo so be!

hypocracy is not permissable in Islam. Allah instructed Musa (as) in Surah Taha that he should be mild and patient with Fir'awn, appealing to his heart, just perchance he may accept guidance. Abuzola thats not being conny. Muhammad (AS) was told by his Lord to be patient with the muslims, otherwise they may run away from him, even though he was a patient man, but was warned so that we are warned by it. Allah says to Muhammad by Surah Azhab to fear or be conscious of Allah, a way to inform you and I that we have to be that, for if His Messenger is warned, then what about us?

If you then say that Islam in the south is not Islam, then all those scholars and daayis, and people who immensed their lives in islam are no muslims according to you by accepting the proposal fo Sleek, who does not know a thing about Islam.


I am a product of the south and america, and I am alomst a Mumin, by Allah. We have people all over the world who take Quran and Muhammad's authntic Sunnah to heart, and they are not Nigerians and not northern nigerians for Islam is universal, and the Makkan or Madinan have no auhority over Islam. Thats the truth my brother and may Allah guide our hearts and unite them as ONE Hearts submitting to Him alone, without submitting to a Sheikh or any one else. Amin!


Muhammad told his daughter Fatimah Zara (RA) that oh fatima, if you want forgiveness, it is Allah you go to and not me even the Messenger (AS)!



BUT AM WAITING FOR THE QURANIC VERSES THAT SUPPORT KILLING OF APOSTATES!

4.promote violence even against children as well

Show me the childrens violence. Jesus was violent the Money changers, against a tree.

i could go on and on,not only that,surely its not a good example to promote hate speeches,marry a woman old enough to be my aunty(in these days when women married really young my mother's age mate)

You must be young. A matured woman wants a man. Today they have what is called Qougars in America. Demi Moore is one. So is Vivica Fox.

then go to the other extreme by marrying a six years old girl,however in credit to him he waited till she was 9 yrs old

Am one of the feww who believe that she is not that young. thou looked that young, unless you can tell me that she was born many years after her father became Muslim. Do you know the year of Abu Bakr's convertion? Thats your assignment as a landmarking event to determine how trly old she was by the time she arrived as a wife of the Prophet (AS). If I wanna know how old you are, I may use when Bukhari overthrew Shagari to determine it. That was 19983. No? calculate Aisha's age with the time her father became a muslim.

for anything you might have against christianity,i am yet to see where jesus christ did any of these stuffs or even accused of it,what islam and any other religions have been able to come up with has been mostly doctrines and the words of the bible which most have interpreted literally,pls without the long winded islamic verses educate me why mohammad had way soo much controversy surrounding him

If am long winded what do you need me for to explain 1400 years plus with a line? Do you think its like the "Love your God with all your heart and love our neighbor as yourself," the full summary of the OT that Jesus said must never be abrogated and all must be kept intact, including the smallest jot?

You must be kidding me, if you look at the fact that Jesus did not marry and you guys abandoned his advise to you and you abrogated the whole of OT, who then could be certain of anyhing you say, but as a lie, abrogations preplacing the OT?

@GODSON2009: « #165 on: Today at 06:17:58 PM »  
@olabowale
for the sake of those of us who dont really know much about islam,could you enlighten us why mohammad has so much controversies surrounding him,for a prophet who should be seen to be holy and blameless and a shining example for what we the latter generation should follow and aspire to
he surely has not done a good job of it

[/quote]Tribe for tribe, Muhammad (AS) faired better, much much better with the arabs, than Jesus with his own Children of Israel people. Look around. John the Baptist who didnt do anything they killed him. Isaac slept with own son's wife posing a harlot. Jacob connived to deceive dad with the halp of mom over brother. And these are your holiest of people. Everyone do have their own share of enemies. Having enemies is not the litmus of not being a prophet. Moses had his; the whole of Egypt and then some children of Israel. Jesus had his!


[quote]1.he was alledged to be a sexual hedonist with proofs in the quran and hadiths

Provide them. And henism is Christian's peoples idea. Stop the lies, man.

2.he was totally and unequivocally sexist

The first prophet (AS) that created equality between the genders; Adam could not blame Eve in Islam. Both of them liable for their actions, it is no more "that woman you put beside me made me do it; Jews and Christians story of the apple."

3.why the several inconsistencies e.g first he claimed to be persecuted at the beginning of his prophetic ministry when he wasnt i actual fact he was riling all the other religions up unnecessarily,

Moses cancelled disbelief; the religion of egyptians, Jesus cancelled disbelief the religion of Pharisee, etc. This is Just the same with Muhammad, cancelling disbelief, the idolatry of the Arabs. And please show me that Muhammad was oppressing the makkans and yet he ran away from the same makka to madina?

@Noetic: « #167 on: Today at 06:30:21 PM »

1. how does a gentle man and a scholar behaves? . . . by believing lies?

Gentleman and a scholar do think. You dont and am sorry to say. They ask question that make sense after reading a material. You dont even read and your questions are so drony that its almost exhausting to look at them and then you are unappreciative of anybody's honesty and sincere effort to accomodate your ignominy.

2. The-seeker is too obviously ignorant. . . . he needs more tutelage from his imam. . .not that u are better or dont lie than him. , . . . , , but u dont live deep in denial like him.

So proof that what Quran says about Jesus, his mother, Holy spirit Jibril, Trinity, etc is wrong? What part is a lie and give us a full intelligent answer and not just one of your outbursts. That is not allowed, Noetic!

3. when are going to answer my questions?

What Question is unanswered after reading the piece that we say answers it? Wake up man from the OStrich syndrome you are in. There is no three Gods, and you cant proof it!

Noetic is a lazy bum when it comes to reading. Alhamdulillah the Thread is not for only you. Others can read from it. Am satisfied as a human being that we Islam has killed off Trinity, God son, Mother God, Ghost God, and Father God. Father we all all have our own. All we have to ask is mom and she will tell us who is Daddy.

Those who didnt have daddy; Adam, Created from soil and water.

Eve: By cloning to come out as a different gender.

Jesus: By a command through announcement of "Holy Spirit; Malaika Jibril".

@GODSON2009:

what the triune means like others have tried to explain to you is that the three the father the son and the holy ghost even though they are three entities,are all part of the same thing like i would say i  am my father's blood or i am a part of my father even though i have my own personality,i have my father's name,resemblance,blood,dna e.t.c even though i am different

If you are correct, except empty statement that does not make a lick of sense, I have daddy's woman for you and see how quickly you are told that you aint Daddy and your position is not ike daddy's. This is what Triune is, fake, just like you will be told by Daddy's woman that you aint Daddy.

and if you go through the bible the lord has always put his point across through parables and a play of words,so if you take any of the words literally then it means you simply do not understand the bible

So when Jesus says I and my father are one is not literal then, but you did not treat it like a parable? How about when he said "bring him before me and slay him?" How about the buying of Swords which his disciple went ahead and buy? Or do you know Jesus better than them? How about Jesus cursing people out, when he said they should never curse anybody except the curser will go to Hell? How about the tree that was killed; not killed? How the Devils temptations, they did not happen? And when he said he will spend 3 days and 3 night as a sign, and he only spent part of it, that was not literal, too? How about all the claims that based on that you call him God, not literal?

Abeg ol boy make your mind up, before you start being Ice and steam at the same time!

If I did not answer Noetics questions, The Seeker will, if Noetic behaves like a gentleman and a scholar. I know its very hard for a ramboucious arrogant man.

Jagoon: I do not have a thread of my own. Finally, Quran answers questions thoroughly and completely. Should I give you or another person half answers or go directly to the Quran to give you what should be more than enough?

@z-murda: There is no frenzy in my answers. Allah provides ample answers and I give it as my Creator provides.

@The Seeker: As Salaamualaykum WR Taala WB. May Allah reward you in all your effort. I wish you and yours the best of this holy month and the best in your entire lives.

« #151 on: Today at 11:40:24 AM »  

@ Olabs

I STRONGLY disagree with your last 5 posts. . .even though I consider them as spamming.

You do not expect me to generate anything anew, when the exact thing is on the table for me to take. Muhammad (AS) says that if there are many ways permisible to conduct a task, he will choose the easiest. I could have written the same thing, but why trying to deceive you when those who are better have done a better job for me to simply copy and answer your Question?

1. Your claim of allah recording the creation in the kelam prescribed in tablets and later revealed as the injil, torah and koran is false, malicious, fraudulent, misinforming and subsequently unacceptable. . . . .for the following reasons

The problem is that you do not accept it, but cant proof it wrong. Unlike the muslims who say that your trinity is not correct and you proof it by not having it in any part of the Bible. We say that Jesus is no God, and we provide the evidence that Jesus and his mother Mary behaved like humans, needing all human things. We say there are no three Gods, and you proof it by trying to make them fit one God, and Islam says that Gods would be trying to undo or overcome one another to finally achieve Supremacy by one of them who finally emerges the winner, the lone God. Is this not a possible scenerio if you have three partners each complete, not needing the others to make decisions, the intent then is to get rid of the others who are in the same exact power and position.

Whats the use of having a God that dies, when the Ones who remained were capable of taking care of all things while death took the former? He must not have been a God, except that you say it out of your personal desire.

Whats the use f a God wose name you dont know except that you call him Holy Ghost which has played no role except running errants for the "Father God?" I say the Ghost is a Holy spirit known as Malaika Jibril, another creation from Light, like all Malaika. Mikail, Israfil, etc are Malaika, too.

a. Allah personally does not know the number of days it took him to create the earth. first he said 6 days, he then said 8 and finally lied and said 10 days.
If allah indeed created the earth, he should know how long it took him to make it. . . . .he should not have a problem stating the figures.

How Old are you man? I  am sure you must sleep in each of those years. So we will say your are 30. So lets add up your activities by years; Say you slept for 7 years, then you studied for 15 years, and you ate for 2 years bath for 6 months, talked for 3 years, and other activities  8 years. If we add up all the years you us for all the activities, it may be more than 30 years, because you are a fraud who is not telling us your actual age, especially when Mom and Dad provide us your birth cerificate, except that you do some of these activities at the same time. Like sleeping and still breathing. Like studying and can eat some snacks and still breathing. Like showing and talking and still breathing. This is exactly the way Allah created everything within 6 days (periods) because some different actives overlapped in their time of occurrences. Allah can do all things at the same time if He ordains it, as He has said in the Quran, if mankind and jinn gather together and all in the same time individually ask Him for their different needs, He will hear every one, and able to fulfill each of them.

b. if allah recorded his creation and word in the tablets of kelam as u claimed. . . . . .and allah also claimed that the bible is corrupt, then allah should not have a problem producing the original bible?,  . . . .there should be at least ONE original version left?. . .if there is none, what stops allah from descending another copy of the initial bible he revealed?
why cant allah just produce his original version?

The Essence of the Torah, Sabur and Injil are in the Quran. What are they; La ilaha illah. kimu salaah, wa attau zakat, wa akimu Saum, wa Dhikr Rabbi Katira! And by the way you already see that the essence of the missions of the prophets of the Old nations are in the Quran. Go read them and stop being so arrogant. Finally the all these Books are now abrogated by the very Complete and alway prstined Quran. Allah promises and fulfilling His Promise to safeguard te Quran as never to be corrupted.

c. if allah was the one who revealed the koran. . . . why did he give 5 versions of the koran to mohammed? or rather, why are there 5 versions of the koran? did allah reveal all the 5 versions in arabic?  why was the koran not written until 300 years after the death of mohammed? why the delay, since allah has already revealed the book to mohammed?

Is yoruba language not spoken with accents; Owo accent, Ijebu Ode accent, Ibadan accent, Eko accent, Abeokuta accent, Ondo accent, Iwo accent, Oyo accent, Akure accent, Ado Ekiti accent, Ede accent and many many more. Are these people not speak and reading Yoruba language and yoruba language Books with an accent/accents; this is what Warsh, Hafs, Uthmani, Kufar, etc are and a person can read Quran in all of those styles, and they are not versions like KJV, NIV, ASV, Catholic Douwy, etc!

u falsely claim that allah revealed the koran within a period of 23 years to mohammed. . . . . .then u claim again that allah sent jubril to give mohammed a book(koran) to read. . . .one must be false. . . .which of them is true?

My grandmother didnt go to school, and I am sure that somebody in the past generations in your bloodline  did not go to school. But mine was able to repeat from memory the history of her family, and she happend to be a muslim (ra) and she recited Quran.This means that she was reading a Book of her family history from memory. This means that she was reading Quran from memory too. Muhammad and not Muhammed recited Quran from memory; Allah says He will accertain that he is able to keep it by heart and there is no better Teacher than Allah, and Malaika Jibril was assigned a tutor to over this.And since t was compiled to a Book until Muhammad (AS) left, then this is another devine prediction of "future" occurence which has been fulfilled. The revelation was for 23 years, from his age 40 when the first 5 verses of Surah Alaq (Creation) to his death at 63. Can you proof any difference and not but without complete exidence!

d. since allah revealed the injil and torah. . . why does he then ask that u kill the christians and jews who follow the book of allah?

If you dont disagree with Yahweh killing the military of Egypt in the sea, the killing of the people of Jericho and others under Moses, Joshua, and indeed the children of Israel to get back the promise land, because of their "disbelief" then you should havent any disagreement with Allah because of your "disbelief" as well which you are spared of your women, olds, the noncombatants, your animals, etc. This is a better deal than what Moses did, and if Jesus had the chance, the means and the ways, based on the not to "abolish" the laws and the prophets, he was a real champion of the same thing, the reason he said "I did not come with peace but war, ", demanding that the disciples buy swords, and they knew him for what he was, so they bought them, and a litmus was his turning the table of the moneychangers "over"!

and lots more. . . . I await your answers.

@Nexan: Am anti no one. Even you Keferi man, with your Kiriyo writing.

There is a story about Umar Khattab (RA) who migrating partner from Makka to Madina was brought back to Makka by falsehood that his mother was distruct at his migration. So Umar loaned him his horse, after persuading unseccessful not to return to Makka. Anyway, the man stayed in Makka, changed by out of Islam.

Umar used to send messages to him, urging him to leave leave the land of disbelief, Makka at that time to community of believers, Madina. Somehow the prophet learnt from Umar about the man in Makka, so Allah the reveal the Ayah that means; Oh you my Creation/Servant/Slave who have transgress, do not give up from seeking of Allah, your Lord forgives all sins, if you turn to Him in seeking repentance.

Upon the revelation of this ayah, Umar dispatched a message with the Ayah to his friend, who upon hearing it left Makka and embraced, Islam once again. Should he be killed when he returned if we take it that he had left Islam, as his first "leaving of religion" and now he had just left another religion (a second leaving of a religin) to Islam?

The answer is obvious no, because it would go against Quran and the sharia, because unless we are Muhadithan (Scholar of ahadith), we may just be killing everyone who embraced anew any religion, whatsoever.

Please find the of what I just said about Umar and the Verse of te Quran that addressed the very Issue mentioned.