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Quote from: oyinda. on Yesterday at 03:04:39 AM
what's ur plan for converting these peeps n teaching them the word of God? i dont see u defending christ at all. u r always on the offensive, attacking others.

anyways carry on lol


Neither do i see you doing anything at all to even show that Christ is someone that is more than your sunday vitamin. Before you cast stones make sure you're not hauling larger ones yourself. Your keeping quiet is MUCH WORSE than those of us on the offensive. Paul was so offensive to the ephesians that they stoned him and hauled him before Judges.

Stephen spoke to the extent that they took him to the city limits and stoned him. In the old days . . . christians were hated, today we are most beloved of all men . . . not because we have Christ in us but because we have successfully taken Christ out and replaced Him with a cloak of false religion.

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And the muslims are blamed by Davidylan for standing up for Islam! So when the Muslims are hated, I guess they have risen to the same level(s) as Paul and Stephen of the Christian faith! Kudos.

@gen2genius: In architecture there is something called street furniture. One of those is a street lamp. It serves many purposes, beautification of boulevards and walkways, yet it can be used to hang things, like posters, flower pots, and yes, indeed to light the way! Are star not beautiful to look at? And are there no shootimng stars? Or falling stars? And dont the stars on a clear night guide, at least the sailors?

And in the matter of creation of heaven and earh, as completed creations, it took Six days/periods. Now is there no ability for you to know that the Creator can do two things together at the same time; creating heaven and earth simultaneously? Wherefore part of the creations of heavens and earth interlock or run concurrently? Such is the power ofthe Creator!

It is you tat i have concern to help is children to do his home work! And am sure tonyeb does not meed e to stand up for him, he is doing fine.

Its late in Abuja, why are you still up, man? Good night Mr.!

you left the verse about ibrahim saying he is the first muslim, in his time in chapter 6!

I hope gen2genius is educated? You should know that no two men in the list of three were alie as muslim, side by side at any time. Am I correct? If I am, each man was the first as a mslim in his own time! What they have in common was prophethood, leadership of people and did not live in the same time!

I respond to this as the typical process of how flawed your arguments are!

@gen2genius: I agree wit you about the two religions not mixing: One is darkness that is calling itself light by thinking that it being named after a man is automatically qualifying it as a true religion! I summise that it is a Psuedoreligion at best.

The other was completed on a man who when there should be anger, he is an advocate for limited and never out of limit anger, or acceptance blood monies instead of blood or a total carpet/wholesale forgivensee seeking the face of the Creator by it!

There is nothing called Christianity in Islam. We the muslims leave them for you. You can absorb them into your folds. However, they failed to incorporate Judaism into the two, afterall Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. And if Abraham is the father of Chrsitianity, he must be father of Judaism, too! But alas, Abraham is not a Jew nor a Christian. Can anyone wager with me on this?

Chrislam is the madness of confusion and poverty. And miracles that happens with the Babalawo must also qualifies it in the same level as Chrislam!

Now shpw me the verse on rapture?

3:61
to topMuhsin Khan: Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Iesa (Jesus)] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)] being a slave of Allah, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad SAW) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allah upon those who lie."
Sahih International: Then whoever argues with you about it after [this] knowledge has come to you - say, "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then supplicate earnestly [together] and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars [among us]."
Pickthall: And whoso disputeth with thee concerning him, after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, say (unto him): Come! We will summon our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves, then we will pray humbly (to our Lord) and (solemnly) invoke the curse of Allah upon those who lie.
Yusuf Ali: If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!"
3:62
to topMuhsin Khan: Verily! This is the true narrative [about the story of 'Iesa (Jesus)], and, La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a son). And indeed, Allah is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
Sahih International: Indeed, this is the true narration. And there is no deity except Allah . And indeed, Allah is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
Pickthall: Lo! This verily is the true narrative. There is no Allah save Allah, and lo! Allah, He verily is, is the Mighty, the Wise.
Yusuf Ali: This is the true account: There is no god except Allah; and Allah-He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.
3:63
to topMuhsin Khan: And if they turn away (and do not accept these true proofs and evidences), then surely, Allah is All-Aware of those who do mischief.
Sahih International: But if they turn away, then indeed - Allah is Knowing of the corrupters.
Pickthall: And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is Aware of (who are) the corrupters.
Yusuf Ali: But if they turn back, Allah hath full knowledge of those who do mischief.

3:58
to topMuhsin Khan: This is what We recite to you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Verses and the Wise Reminder (i.e. the Quran).
Sahih International: This is what We recite to you, [O Muhammad], of [Our] verses and the precise [and wise] message.
Pickthall: This (which) We recite unto thee is a revelation and a wise reminder.
Yusuf Ali: "This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom."
3:59
to topMuhsin Khan: Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.
Sahih International: Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.
Pickthall: Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is.
Yusuf Ali: The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
3:60
to topMuhsin Khan: (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.
Sahih International: The truth is from your Lord, so do not be among the doubters.
Pickthall: (This is) the truth from thy Lord (O Muhammad), so be not thou of those who waver.
Yusuf Ali: The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.

3:55
to topMuhsin Khan: And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad SAW, 'Iesa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Quran] till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."
Sahih International: [Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.
Pickthall: (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.
Yusuf Ali: Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
3:56
to topMuhsin Khan: "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."
Sahih International: And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."
Pickthall: As for those who disbelieve I shall chastise them with a heavy chastisement in the world and the Hereafter; and they will have no helpers.
Yusuf Ali: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
3:57
to topMuhsin Khan: And as for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah) and do righteous good deeds, Allah will pay them their reward in full. And Allah does not like the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).
Sahih International: But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and Allah does not like the wrongdoers.
Pickthall: And as for those who believe and do good works, He will pay them their wages in full. Allah loveth not wrong-doers.
Yusuf Ali: "As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."

3:51
to topMuhsin Khan: Truly! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.
Sahih International: Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
Pickthall: Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.
Yusuf Ali: "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"
3:52
to topMuhsin Khan: Then when 'Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)."
Sahih International: But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].
Pickthall: But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).
Yusuf Ali: When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpersto (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
3:53
to topMuhsin Khan: Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger ['Iesa (Jesus)]; so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth i.e. La ilaha ill-Allah - none has the right to be worshipped but Allah).
Sahih International: Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth]."
Pickthall: Our Lord! We believe in that which Thou hast revealed and we follow him whom Thou hast sent. Enrol us among those who witness (to the truth).
Yusuf Ali: "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger; then write us down among those who bear witness."
3:54
to topMuhsin Khan: And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus) ], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners.
Sahih International: And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.
Pickthall: And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.
Yusuf Ali: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

3:48
to topMuhsin Khan: And He (Allah) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).
Sahih International: And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel
Pickthall: And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel,
Yusuf Ali: "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
3:49
to topMuhsin Khan: And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.
Sahih International: And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.
Pickthall: And will make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.
Yusuf Ali: "And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
3:50
to topMuhsin Khan: And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me.
Sahih International: And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.
Pickthall: And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me.
Yusuf Ali: "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

So I wanna see where Quran spoke about Rapture! You said Chapter 3, Verses 45 to 63.

3:45
to topMuhsin Khan: (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."
Sahih International: [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].
Pickthall: (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
Yusuf Ali: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
3:46
to topMuhsin Khan: "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous."
Sahih International: He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous."
Pickthall: He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous.
Yusuf Ali: "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
3:47
to topMuhsin Khan: She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it is.
Sahih International: She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.
Pickthall: She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
Yusuf Ali: She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

« #6 on: Yesterday at 11:14:02 PM »
but the prophet did it on a 6 year old aisha before having sex with her 3 year after?

I think we are all very quick to come to emotional conclusion, sometimes. This is one of those times. We need to take into consideration who Abu Bakr (AS) was. This man was like the late Abiola (ra) of is time. He was wealthy and generous at the same time.

Let me ask you do you think he would have allowed his daughter to be abused?

More challenging to everybody's conscience is the character assasination that I see that is being committed on the Prophet (AS)! Could this noble soul have anything hideous like that, considered illegal and he practiced it and Allah did not call him out on it, afterall, he was called out on just turning his face away because somebody was interrupting him? Mind you he did not yell on that person, and all he did was turn his face away, and immediately revelation came down on it, calling him out!

The same prophet who told a young woman that she needs now to put on clothing to cover herself properly? The same Prophet who did not let a man sit on the same spot that a woman just got up from because the man may by her warmth begin to wonder who she was, hence allowing for evil thoughts to enter the heart? The same prophet who the makkans before migration told that they will give him the best of the women from every clan in Makka if the allowes them to practic their idolatory without reminding them of their paganizm, and Surah Kafiruun, was revealed to answer the disbeliever? The same prophet who refused to take any woman who offered herself to him?


Finally why did he not practice it with any other person, if he ever practicedit with Aisha? The same prophet who was so shy that he never let uthman Affan see any part of him, from the knee up?

This accusation on the noble soul is evil, malicious and deserve response only because it no response, they may actually believe it.

@Tubabie and $Osisi: You guys should watch this Youtube. Maybe you will be better for it. You too davidylan, and exeriment on the water, man!

YouTube - Mufakhathat - Thighing

9 min - May 14, 2007 -

Scandal : Aisha killed the Prophet Muhammad !! Chapter 6 , Are you denying that cow urine is part of vedic scripture? Look up the terms: Gomutra ,
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKqYNkkK9Xg -

i do have a life. the thread is why i am not a mulim. so i really have no business in there, since i a muslim. thank you.

For my man Davidylan: I was just researching the name of the wife of Pharaoh during the Prophethood of Moses and I came about this material, while I will continue with my rsearch, I thought the information about Pharaoh and the aftermath of the "Flood" of the sea is worth noticing:

Here is what the aticle from the Jewish piece says; PDF] Moses and Pharaoh are mentioned in history - 2 visits - 5:47amFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View
you remove THUT from his name you are left with. MOSE. What's the chance of , According to the Bible, in Exodus 1:22-2:10, this Pharaoh gave the , According to history, Pharaoh Thutmose and his wife, Queen Ahmose, had two daughters, ,
www.biblehistory.net/Moses_Pharaoh.pdf - Similar - (I expect you to research it out and not arguing blindly)!

Some people don't believe that the Pharaoh
perished in the waters of the Red Sea because the
tombs of both Pharaoh Thutmose III and his successor,
Amenhotep II, have been found.
But if one reads Exodus 14:30 carefully it
states the following: "So the LORD saved Israel that
day out of the hand of the Egyptians, and Israel saw
the Egyptians dead on the seashore." This passage
indicates that the dead bodies of the Egyptians were
deposited on the shore of the Red Sea. This would
have allowed the Egyptians access to his body for
burial.

@JJYOU:

how do you describe mohammed (npbuh)?

Same to you, JJYOU.

I describe Muhammad (AS) as handsome, not too tall, but miraclesdo happen that when he stands with a tall man, he is never shorter than them. So no one stands taller than him, from the time of his prophethood until death!

He was sincere and honest man. Full humblemess and humility. radiant face and his face was so shiny that no one can look at it directly, especially after the revelation has just come to him!

He was a statement a leader, a fearless servant of his Lord and a warrior's warrior, a general's general, lion among lion! The most beoved to his Lord.

What is it specifically that you will like me to say? What do you wanna know, without insulting me or take off the sword from its case? JJYOU you should drop the anger. It will not benefit you.

@JJYOU: The (Npbuh) is to you, too! Whatever that means.

the more i read you the more your foolishness becomes clearer. i bet you will like to kill your christian mum for mustafa too as part of your going to paradise. you are supposed to be a grown person but you always talk so childish i wonder what they fed you on apart from your poisonous religious diet.

Alhamdulillah, my christian mom is now my muslim mom. The church ran her out. Thank Allah. So I don't ave to kill her. Allah already killed her Christianity. I think you need for us to meet in Aba or Onisha or Owerri in December. You will see how I will kill a lot of Christian hearts to wake them up to Islamic hearts. Islam is not poison because I have not been sick from it, even though though my malady is food poison. Blieve me JJYOU, I will never eat from you since I know that you will quickly put poison in anything you give me to eat. lol. You have that "forgiving heart, I can see that!"

how do you know the quoran was not revised becos i actually heard a moslem scholar said on the BBc they have three versions of quaroan to enable people who cant cope with one choose the other. why is that possible and you are telling something different here.

Version is not what he said. Writings or types is whathe meant. You know cursive, capital, simple straight line writings, etc are smilar to what he meant. Same letters, same pronounciations, same sentences, same chapters are exactly in each Quran, regardless of stylistic writing!

what do you know other than looking for wives everywhere.

Do you know what I dont know about me? The last I check I am still short of something off the 4 allowable! Maybe you need to get married. But this is not the thread for argument, but for explanation. Bindex, I think this guy does not want to leave the swords to the muslims, yet he has a Bazooka!

Enough JJYOU! Lets talk about what the thread topic is all about.

No. The reason is that I found non Muslims for the most part always wanting to water down, Allah, Islam, and Muhammad (AS). For example, if you dont even believe, but heard that there is a fire that burns flesh as a consequent of not paying taxes, it will be unwise for a person not to be curious to know about this fire and the pain it will inflict before one arbitrarily decide to skip paying taxes, especially when you know you can't escape to another land where the arm of the tax man cant reach you so that it can scourge you with that fire.

For example, I avoid the orientalists, like John Esposito because of the unbenefitting knowledge for himself he has. One time I listened to him, I heard him telling the moderator that Quran was just as revised as the Bible! To me that was just the height of deceit, a level that I have never imagined! I asked myself, when was the revision and from what? Was it in the time immediately after Abu Bakr, from the Original and single first time compiled to a Complete Book, the Quran, which was entrusted to Afsah (RA) as the custodian, instead of Aishah (RA)?

Or was it the time of Uthman bin Affan, the one who headed Islamic community after Umar bin Khattan, who was immediately after Abu bakr, who was the one that headed this young community after the Prophet's death (AS)? Just imagine that Umar, the father of Afsah, the custodian did not have to even bother with expanding the numbers of Quran in his Kalifate period.


Uthman only copied the Quran from wat was in the hand of Afsah, the custodian to 5 copies, by accentuations,after hearing the muslims reciting every verse, again as reassurance of its correctness. And by the way the style of recital were not the primary reason for the expansion of the Quran to that many. The reasons were that the reciters, knows as afith were being killed by the enemies of Islam and the fear sets in among the muslims that they be left with no one that have complete memorization, after a while. And this was just in the time of Abu Bakr.

And the time of Uthman was because nations and societies, far and wide, Arabs and non-Arabs were coming in to Islam. This is why Uthman and the muslims decided to expand the Quran to additional 5 copies, from the original one with Afsah, the wife of Muhammad (AS), he daughter of Umar (RA jamia). They just didn't have the new 5 Quran copied from the what Afsah had, but they had people as many as those who are present to recite each verse before it was written down in either the styles known as Warsh, Hafs, , etc! And the Quran were not compiled just for the accent, or in the accents that they were evealed (7 different styles), but as aid to keep the chain of memorization of this revelation which came from Allah to Jebril (AS) to Muhammad (AS), except for the last four verses of Baqarah which he received from Allah directly without Jibril during the Isra Miraj night journey, to the Sahabah (RA) and now to the Tabihin (ra).


I am sure that you know that the yorubas recite differently from the housas, and the morroccans do recite differently from the egyptians. But all new that each ecitation is correct, even with the accents and styles that are domain to a people and a region. One time I prayed behind an afith from India, whose "Wa" is a "Va" sounding. He led the Yemeni dominated masjid, yet no one said a word, because they knew he was correct, minus the accent! This is what is special with Islam; the One body even though we are different.

So when the "secular" people take up Islam, I wonder what do they know about Makka and Madina of Muhammad (AS) that no one including the economist Jews ignored at that time? Can a British man tell me the history of the yorubas in the time of Oduduwa and his family? The answer is no, since if they were in Europe at that time, they were not paying attention to the yoruba people! The best teller of Arab history of the time of Muhammad (AS) will be an arab. Those of the arabs who are not muslims are so because they are goneho after Jesus as a cheap way to receive salvation. None of them can argue against Muhammad, except that they think deeping in blood and somebody responsible for their sin and hence giving them salvation is what attracts them and nothing more. Lets me ask you, can they any of them allowed theselves to take my blame, like serving a sentence imposed on me, by any society? The answer is no, so is the fact that Jesus can't be responsible for anybody's happiness, salvation.


Now, just imagine what the secular people, mostly Jews, Christian and Atheist, who do not believe in Islam will say about Muhammad (AS)? I there anything good coming from their heart?

the below was my answer; i doubt if you read anything except adulation of jesus, father, ghost, christianity!


Oh and everything that is in Quran and what is authenticated about Muhammad (AS) are all okay by me. My heart does not waiver about them. For example, I will not marry my own cousin, but I have no problems with those who do.

i dont think the thread starter noticed that no muslim stooped low enough in all the argument to care to know why he is a christian and not otherwise? reason is that the muslims dont care, because the obvious condition and classifcation is known; disbelief.

if a muslim will ask, it will be appropriate to ask; why are you in disbelief, or a disbeliever?

The position of Pharaoh was well known against what Moses brought from his Lord! See what his end was. The position of Ariel Sharon is well known against freedom of the palestinians; chrsitians and muslims alike. See what has become of him!

Oh and everything that is in Quran and what is authenticated about Muhammad (AS) are all okay by me. My heart does not waiver about them. For example, I willnot marry my own cousin, but I have no problems with those who do.

I just like exotic and strange women of "new face and blood!"

@Seun Osewa (Chairman/Owner of naira) or who ever can confirm to Nairalanders if the below is a correct entry without any addition or subtraction: please do that for all to see, because the entrant is claiming that I doctored his entry below. Thank you for your efforts.
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what a shame . . . . .no one could state why they are not a muslim.


why worship allah when u dont know him? why emulate mohammed when u dont condone his inhuman atrocities?

why EXACTLY are u a muslim?

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I didn't say that. But for certain, the majority will check christianity as their religion. Say 97%.

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Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 03:29:34 AM
@Davidylan: Ask your Pastor to produce "Original Bible" from the Time of Jesus and look at his facial expression! The dude will almost crawl under a rock!


Christians dont have a problem with the bible today . . . muslims are the deluded fools who claim it is corrupt. WHERE IS ALLAH'S UNCORRUPT VERSION?

Right you don't have problems, just you dont have problems with ALCOHOL and DRUNKENNESS, etc. Yet we see rehabilitation clinics and revovery houses and 12 steps programs springing up in cities, towns and villages and surburbs of this United States!

Where is $Osisi? I think that woman becomes shy around me, now. lol. Eewo!

If there is a murky minded person, it s Davidylan. Oh, what is murkier is the surface of water body at sunset!

Did you notice that those men are all Prophets (AS) and that is what is important and not their period of existence? You see how Quran chapters and the verses are arranged, by not how they are revealed, cronologically. Yet each verse and chapter flow to the next one, perfectly! Look at the ending of Surah Fatihah with the beginning of Surah Baqarah; You finished a prayer in fathihah and the road map of what you asked for began in Baqarah!

Davidylan, Quran is not like your "novel" the Bible!

Yes davidylan, Allah is Al + ilah. Al is The. ilah is Deity or deity or God or god!

Now what does Olorun stand for? Break it down for us, yoruba man. Olu + Orun, is it not? Whats the meaning of Olu and whta is the meaning of Orun?

Now tell us what God means or rather god means? What does Yahweh, or Jehovah or Eloi or Elohim mean, in Yoruba language or Arabic language?

I hope you can also be truthful now that you have been satisfied, or at least an effort towards safisfying you have been provided.

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where is blabs now?

Having allowed you to fool yourself thinking that you would be smart enough to decipher right from wrong but learnt that your ignorance is really a big problem


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From wikipedia - Etymology
The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʼilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ho theos monos).

Let me see you wriggle out of this, Olodo number 1
Quite funny that you could run to Wikipedia when you have nothing to say but learnt that you still need knowledge.

Could you please tell me the meaning of Yahweh?

Why do we have THE LORD here:

Genesis 2 v 4: "This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens

What does Arabic bible uses for Allah?

Let us see translation from some verses in Arabic bible:


Genesis 1:1

"In the beginning God created
the Heaven and the Earth . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu
as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "

What is the meaning of the enboldened word therein David?


2.

John 3:16


"For God so loved the world,
that . . . "

John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]

"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba
Allahu al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "

Do you care to provide explanation to the enboldened word?


3.

Luke 1:30

" . . . Fear not, Mary:
for thou hast found favor with God."


Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]

" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa
Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."


Care to provide explanation?


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davidylan why are you quoting from wikipedia? when others cite wikipedia you ridicule them and discard it as ohh it is wikipedia they are citing but here you are quoting from the same wikipedia, are you comepletely stupid or what?


the quote, while being from wikipedia actually comes from a published work slowpoke.

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blabs, just 2 questions for you slave of the devil . . .

1. Why quote from the very bible you yourself claim has been corrupted by the pen of the scribes?

2. When was the arabic bible written? Long after islam had been established CLEARLY as an opposition to christianity and a religion hell bent on forcing itself into the bible? Yeah you can only decieve morons with your post.

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What a comic relief! I hope everyone will notice the #2 on the entry number 22 entered on March 28, 2009 at 08;17 pm by Davidyan, because it speaks volume; The Christians claim that Muhammad (AS) an illiterate man copied the Bible. But then the truth came out subconsciously from the fingers of Davidylan, above. How can illiterate who can't even write his own name in his own language, copied from the Bible written in a foreign tongue, into Arabic and it is a more detailed and better Book called Quran.

If this Christian man, davidylan now says that Bible is written after the Quran, hence the reason Allah is used, I wonder why the same davidylan in previous argument said that Muhammad (AS) copied from the Bible?

This is weird!

it was after 11pm in East Coast of the United States. The reasons for my remain up should be pleasurable not the agony you are making me to go through! You are showing a sign of stubbornness that i don't need from anyone, any longer. Why would I be wasting my energy on something that tedious. Abeg boo, go sidon!

This is what was said by he same people who are saying that the Muslims are confused! Not that they are saying that it is shameful that "no one (Muslim) can say why they are Muslim, or why they can't be not be non-muslim!" Would muslim be the one who should be ashamed by the written statement, of the poster, below:

what a shame . . . . .no one could state why they are not a muslim.

You see, Allah reveals the inner feeling, the truth about a person when He wills it for it to be known.

Am not here to argue about this. I am only making observation(s).

How is it that you are enjoying it? Remember it is you who shot yourself in the foot by Allah confusing you! Finally, what content of Allah's heart are you talking about? I think you want me to tell you Allah is a human being and or am His image? Fat chance!

Allah is not what your heart can image up! Unlike man made gods; some looking like humans, some with two heads or multiple limbs, some are other creatures. Allah is not a god that you place in a stationary place like sitting on a throne, etc! Allah says He is above His Throne. Thats enough for me. How He is above it is not my concern because it will only lead me to Hell.

This reminds me of Ebenezer Obey's "Oode to nsho Eledumare, ori egun lo ma ku si!" You know why? He will never be able to see Him.

But then Ebenezer Obey in his disbelieving heart turns around and calls "Jesus" a human male from a woman female mother "God!" Can anyone remind Ebenezer his talking from both cheeks? I think the turn the other cheek is transposed to talk from both cheeks (This one is a joke of reality from me).

@Muhsin: As Salaamualeykum wa Rahmatullahi Taala wa Barakatuh. My brother the link is actually this thread; Why am I not a Muslim.

This guy thinks he is smart. Allah is Wiser. HE allows him to increase in arrogance, until he bacame careless that his finger just go anywhere! Even he posted it, and never protested its content. None of his "comrades" saw it. I saw it the moment he posted it. Allah did things the Best; I was unhappy with this guy, so I did not even respond and call him on his cofusion!

Its been about a week now that he made this post, and neither he nor Davidyland and company ever noticed it. Somehow, my heart lost all the dislikes for him because he couldnt be more than a younger brother to me; if not a son.

It is his continued arrogance that made me go back to PRESENT his own statement to convict himself! Allah inspired my heart to expose this young man.

Allah never perishes a people until He raised arrogance in their heart. They will increase in arrogance until they become complacent and make mistakes. It will be the time of their destuctions. May Allah save us from destruction.


I hope he will see wisdom in his mistake and hopefully before hlong ask himself; Who is Allah and what is Islam and who is that man Muhammad (AS)?