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And to the guy who said that Jesus is God just because Jesus said that God is in him, and he in God, I will ask you what does it mean then when Jesus said that he is in the disciples that followed him? And they in him? Are they now by the same logic Gods then, if Jesus was God because of the same exact reasons?

Finally, why then do you follow Paul, who was not in that crowd of people Jesus made God like himself, since he and tey were in each other?

Please dont be evasive. Answer my question or questions with clearity.

God knows all that is happening in the world, at the same time, because He sees everything, knows everything, has foreknowledge of everything. Now Jesus did not know everything, otherwise he would have known that the FIG TREE had no fruit because it was not the season to fruit. He did not have foreknowledge of everything, except what GOD/ALLAH permits otherwise he would have answered to the affirmative in the clearest sense of the TIME OF THE HOUR!

@dexmond: PLease note that your arguments are not clear. You go between Jesus being God, then to being son. You go between Jesus sleeping with his own mother and then it is the host, etc. When I overpower my wife and then over shadow her, it is sex that is happening. Then when she is pregnant after that, who can deny that sex never occurred? You have without saying it, while denying it postulated that God and Holy Spirit slept with Mary. The blasphamer is you! Raed your entries. Sex is sex, however you whitewash it. #72 on: June 21, 2009, 07:50 PM »

@Olawale

The name is Olabowale. You guys are too young to be misspelling an authentic Nigerian name. Unless you are not Nigerians.

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Your defination of the meaning "wari-duha" is wrong. Passing over it, is what "wari-duha" means. There is no reason for a bridge to be erected over hell, except it serves a purpose. The purpose in this case is part of the process of Trial, Justice and Mercy of Allah. All mankind will be tried. Some will receive due Justice by falling into hell, when trying to cross over. These are the disbelievers.

Others, the believers, InshaAllah am one of them and so are the muslims from this generations to the last of them on earth, will cross successfully, by verious degrees of speed. They will not fall into the hell like the "nonMuslims" who will definitely be unsuccesful in their effort to cross over hell "throough the bridge."

Mr wale, Your Islamic scholars are not been sincere with you. Look at the following hadith, they don't want you to see it. You don't even need a scholar to interpret it to you sir.

I dont need Islamic scholars for this. I can read. It is very direct, just like I do know from Quran that I have to make daily Salah.

Of course, I will read your hadith below, and see where Muslims will burn in hell, as per your understanding. Yet the Jews will not or a single Christian will not, too. I guess its the bonfire of the Muslims, the Atheist and the others, then.

… Anas then said, "Muhammad talked to us saying, ‘On the Day of Resurrection the people will surge with each other like waves, and then they will come to Adam and say, ‘Please intercede for us with your Lord.’…

Jesus son of Mary is one of the people who couldn't intercede, too. Remember it is in the hadith? Dishonesty you have displayed.

They would come to me and I would say, ‘I am for that.’

You see the confidence in his ability to intercede.

Then I will ask for my Lord's permission, and it will be given, and then He will inspire me to praise Him with such praises as I do not know now. So I will praise Him with those praises and will fall down, prostrate before Him.

Permission by Allah is a sign of Mercy. Allah inspires, and grants all Muhammad' Intercession. Everyone fails, but Muhammad (AS) is being permitted. It is a statement, prophetic "prediction" for the future; the day of Judgement.

Then it will be said, ‘O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for your will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.’ I will say, ‘O Lord, my followers! My followers!’ And then it will be said, ‘Go and take out of Hell (Fire) all those who have faith in their hearts, equal to the weight of a barley grain.’ …

When you read the start of the hadith, there was no indication that the believers who have no major sins or minor signs which are not wiped out, yet are in hellfire! Unless you say that Adam, etc, including Jesus are all in Hellfire, where they were being asked to intercede, before the Belivers came to Muhammad (AS)! You seem not to be sincere, but we will work with the situation.


So those who are in hellfire among the muslims, with even the small faith as that of the size of barley seed! This is miracle, when in your Bible those of the greatest Miracle performers in the name of "Jesus" shal be rejected by him, when he will say to them, I never knew you! THen dexmond, imagine your own condition! Have you performed any great miracle in the name of Jesus? That will not qualify you to enter but lake of fire, according to your Bible. You need to read it, all over, agaiin!

Anas told me the same as he told you and said that the prophet added, "I then return for a fourth time and praise Him similarly and prostrate before Him. He asks me the same as he did, ‘O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request): and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.’ I will say, ‘O Lord, allow me to intercede for whoever said, "None has the right to be worshiped except Allah." Then Allah will say, ‘by my Power, and my Majesty, and by My Supremacy, and by My Greatness, I will take out of Hell (Fire) whoever said: 'None has the right to be worshipped except Allah.’" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 601)

Again, you will see that Laa ilaha ilallah, is enough to get you to Paradise. This actually confirms the hadith of the simpliest of request from Muhammad (AS) to his uncle, Abutalib, to simply repeat it, Laa ilaha ilallah! Muhammad (AS) said it will be sufficient for him, to intercede. Compare this to that grusome condition of spilling human blood on the cross. Which one is easier on the participant? Yet you have refused to take up this offer!

Read the qualifications of Allah, again. Can anyone match these? For sure, no one!

Note, in this hadith, the followers of allah’s messenger entered into hell (O Lord, my followers! My followers!).

Note that the lieast of them: those who have just faith equal to barley seed in weight, and those who hae just simply said Laa ilaha ilallah! Those who are the fore most and all those who are above the barley seed in faith are not in hell! Read, again, except and I repeat that you are saying that Adam, etc and even Jesus are all in hell, where they were approached, for the intercession, which they could not do! Further, Muhammad (AS) approaches, prayed and praised by inspiration, granted and permitted to intercede, would not mean that he (Muhammad) was in Hell, or was it? The throne of allah is not in it or is it?

If Muhammad was in hell, burning, we did not see the sign of it. If his followers who finally approached him for the intercession, which even Jesus failed in, were burning, we did not see the sign of it. Or did you read it and come to the conclusion that the scenerios were being played in the fire of hell?

You cannot endure one minute in hell, why then should you enter it at all?

I agree with you. However, Ibrahim entered the fire of Nimerod and was not burnt by the mercy of Allah. Adam and Eve came from Heavens to earth, body and soul and were not damaged. Jesus was taken up to heaven, and Muhammad eas taken up and to heavens and returned, in perfect condition. Miracles, man. Miracles. If God wills it that all mankind enter to hell and burn there, hHe would not have created Paradise. The fact that Paradise is created shows that there is mercy coming up! Muslims could have entered Hell, if I take your false scenerio, and not get burnt, and when the last of them is removed, the fire may be commanded to burn the rest of the people! But interestingly,you will be left in there. Is this not a concern for you? Please think, before you respond.

The confusion of Muslims about Christianity is the fact that God being a spirit cannot have a child. Yes, God cannot have a child by having  carnal knowledge of a woman because he is a spirit. Whoever says that God slept with mary is saying blasphemy. Jesus is called the Son of God because God came to this earth and lived among us. You can get a lot of prophesy concerning the coming of God to dwell among men in the Torah!

o you are saying that Jesus is his own father is what you are saying? But you mentioned Torah and didn't leave a single verse to buttress your argument! Thats an empty argument or can you recommend, where I will find something in Torah to support your argument?

But why have the Jews missed this statement in their Torah? You need to sell this argument to them before you come to the Muslims! Your work should start with the israelites, whose book you also read! At least you don't read the Quran and we do not share your Bible with you, none whatsoever!

Luke 1:26-38 (New King James Version)
 
26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”[a]

We are now in NT! But lets go along. Please pay attention to the fact that the woman in question was a young woman named Mary, who was still a virgin! Can anyone guess her age? Maybe between 13 and 16 years old. If she was older, it is not clear. But something is clear, she would not have remained a virgin even at 17, since the age of maturity with the Children of Israel is 13! Go ask them, thats why they have Bermitva, which you Christians have wrongly labelled Baptism! She was made readied for an old man Joseph. Age difference; some of you will say that Joesph is a cradle robber!

29 But when she saw him,[b] she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest;

Note that it did not say Son of God,  just son of the Highest! This could mean his tribal lineage from the whole Israelite races, etc! But we can't jump into conclusion that this is God being described here. But even then they call themselves sons and daughters of God, and even call themselves Lords. Can you disproof my statement?

and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.

His father is identified, as King David, who had been dead for hundreds of years! Confusion, except that you look at the bloodline of his mother. This bloodline must have come from David. This is why the Christians need to think about why the Quran addressed Mary as Sister of Aaron! Is there a process that is righ,t and the other (muslim) is wrong in calling these people, Jesus by david and mary his mother by Aaron?

33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

This is an unfulfilled prophesy! Or can you proof it is so? There is no signoficant amonunt of Israelites who take jesus seriously. Or in the Kingdom that you know, do the subjects take their king as jest or discreditted as the jews do of Jesus?


But then, where is Jesus reigning from now, about the house of David? The Jews who are bloodlines of david are not buyng it! You can see why when we say Muhammad abides with us forever, he does not have to be alive, but his words, commandments, etc are what are!

34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you;

$Osisi, I know its the weekend and you don't argue. But please help your brother in Christianity to understand the birds and the bees, because of your profession. When a male gender overpower and overshadows a female gender, what comes out of it being a boy, please expalin to him what that it, except it is sexual! This guy is still a virgin, if he falls for that kind of okeydokey.

Some women, especially women from the old countries with tradition, Middle east is a good region of this example, to have sex with her, its almost that you are starting a trhird World war!

Some people in the New World without so much culture, their pre-intimacy is like a wrestling match! What are you talking about!

therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing will be impossible.”
38 Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

Was there a time when the overpowering and the overshadowing took place, or did it happen when the Angel was still talking to her? Orishi rishi awon omo 9ja! What you have written and indeed what the Bible wrote is inconclusive, at best. Its an outright lie, at worst. I intentionally ignored the son of God title since above you have insinuated that Jesus was God himself. The whole argument is wishy washy.

My brother, don’t let anybody deceive you,  Islam does not offer hope. Salvation is in JESUS alone. In  John 14:16 Jesus said “ I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me”

If Jesus place as the only way to God is correct, I wonder what role Noah played with those who survived the flood wih him and never deviated from folowing his rules, given to him by God? What was the fate of Moses and Aaron and those who follwoedtem until death? What was the faith of those who obeyed Abraham, or those who obeyed Lot and were spared of the disaster of Sodom na Gommohrrah? What about thos e who followed Elihah and those who followed elisha? These are the people and their followers who never knew Jesus and died before him. Are they in hell, or what role will Jesus played in their lives on the that day If he is not important to them, since he cameafter their time, then know that Jesus era started and ended in his own earthly lifetime. What happenes after Muhammad came, is under the prophetic period of Muhammad (AS). You and me are alive under this time, not that of Jesus.

@dexmond: Islam and Christianity or udaism or others are not the same. Get that into your system.

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@ Abuzola
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Every Muslim will be in paradise even the worst of them all
Initially, you said “every Muslim will enter hell even the worst of them”, now you are saying bad Muslims (the worst of them) will not enter.

I suppose, the good work which you think will save you may not be enough to earn you a place. According to your Quran, if your good deeds outweigh your evil deed, you will enter. In other words, all you need is 51% of holiness to make it! But we are told in the bible, that God, whom you say is the same as Allah is 100% holy. It’s a pity Islam does not offer hope.

Islam offers hope. There are many verses in the Quran where hope is expressed. Allah says that sinners should not despair in the hope of Allah forgiving you, for He forgives all sins. Now dexmond, the mere saying Laa ilaha ilallah, is weightier than the whole world. So it is not the 51/49 ration of good work, as you mentioned that really matters. Allah allows many different ways to receive His Mercy, Kindness, Forgiveness, etc. The moment that you do the basic requirements that qualifies you as muslim, and never associate anything with Allah, you are straight. All the good you do is for the pleasure of Al Rahman, you are on your basic step and line to receiving Allah's protection, away from hellfire.

Laa ilaha ilallah is bigger than what any good you do. I wonder what lack of hope you are talking about? In the tradition of Gary Coleman: What are you talking about?

Note that your self- righteousness according to my bible is like a filthy rag before the holy Almighty God.

Thats your Bible talking to the Christians, not talking to the Muslims! And muslims do not deal in self-righteousness, just the same way we dont talk about "original sin!" Islam is completely different from Christianity; we do not depend on spilled blood from or on the cross!

Are your sins forgiven? Have they been washed? Who washed them? At what point did you become a Muslim? By birth or by committing you life to Allah? Do you have the conviction that you have salvation?

Allah forgives sins. And many think they are washed clean, but they are very dirty. So dexmond, washing with blood is very dirty, and you can never get clean. I repeat you can never be clean. Allah washes away all sins. There is a prayer about that though; the muslims know the Dua. And it is not the only way you can get "salvation," just one of the ways! It does not matter when a muslim becomes one, forgiveness and mercy are Allah's alone.

Allah’s apostle himself was afraid of an eclipse of the sun, thinking the hour of judgement had come not to talk of his followers. Why was he afraid? Was his work evil in the sight of God? Was there sin in his life that will prevent him from entering into the paradise of the Allah he had laboured to serve?

Muhammad (AS) was not afraid. However, neither Muhammad nor Jesus nor anyone who walked the earth, ever knew about the hour of the time! Or will you show us where Jesus knew about time of the "hour?" Muslims will enter Paradise (by Allah's permission), so Muhammad will lead us by the Mercy of his Lord!

You think you are calling the same God that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob called. Ok, why don’t you pray to Allah this evening and pray to him tomorrow using the title of “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for him”.
If you trust Allah take my challenge and do it, the one that answers, is the living God.

Abraham is Ibrahim (AS), Jacob is Yaquub (AS). I thought you have read the Quran before? Allah is what Arab Christians call the Bible (Hebrew, Aramaic languages) Yahweh/Jehovah/Elohim! I trust Allah and I have good proof of it; Yeterday, one of my closest person told me that that she went to Jumuah prayer with her friend, in Lagos. She is from a Christian home. Allah answered my prayer on her! Can Jesus or ghost or father truly answer your prayer?

Ok, pray a different prayer than the formulae given in quran and the true God will show himself!

Read what I said above. Seyi Elekuru (Ijebu Ode name),, told me that her heart is in Islam, already. Alhamdulillah. Allahu Akbar!

Illiteracy was before literacy! This is obvious. It is this illiterate man (AS) that the type of arabic language that his book, the Quran was revealed in, became the Hallmark of Matriculated Arabic! The Bible in Arabic was written in this very type of Arabic. WEll, I know that you are an atheist. All atheism books, in arabic, I bet will be written in this type of Arabic language! Then I wonder who is actually the Professor between Muhammad (AS) and all the others, including Arab Atheists, Christians, and Jews, etc?

Proof that Allah was an idol, otherwise shot yaa mouth! Olorun in Yoruba language is one of the yoruba idols? No? THis is how ridiculous yor Allah as an arab idol is!

Ngba ti o ba ngbadun ara e, kilo ma nso? She o so pe olorun ri. abi o so ri? Onibon oje ni iwo ogbeni yi! Ridiculous. Eledumare, Oluwa,etc fail you? YOu are in worse shape than I thought. No wonder I had hoped you belonged somewhere else than my Yoruba gon gon gon!

When you thought I was joking, hence your blind eye to what I wrote, it shows your perception of human beings! You never met me, yet you know I was kidding about something I have believed in for over a half century! That I am working hard to make others come in into it and enjoy the fragrances and the sweet nectar of it? You must be a riot in your thought.

Is it not obvious and directly in line with the truth of the impermissibility of rape, when human being are cautioned not to come near illigal sex; Zina? Is rape legal sex? Do you force people to participate in legal things, if it is their natural obligations?

Stop it man. You have no clue of reality.

honey cures stomach conditions, for example. I recommend it, wthout being shy about it.

@Tudor: Some conditions can be cured faster and more efficiently by other means than synthesized remedies. For example my disease is food poison. Some foods, in the off the wall condition can poison me. So when I feel that I am getting seek, I take "abati baraka" known as black seed. When I chew it and by the time I swallow it, I will have relief and cure. But if I have to wait for pharmaucetical concortion for cure, I will have to take the dose for at least 3 to 7 days.

While your atheism have nothing but drugs made up in laboratories, we in Islam have better from Quran and the Sunnah for cure, in addition to the pharmaceutical. In all, whatever we take we depend on Allah for cure. So we say Bismillar Rhamanir Rahiim, and use the medicine or the natural remedy.

And Olive oil, I dont think that its only good for what you mentioned its usage for. For example, a woman who is pregnant is recommended to regularly eat palm date fruits, so that she will have less labor and pain in the delivery of the load she is carrying.

@JJYOU: In all of your Bible, you will never have 1/10 curing/remedies to living well and getting better as much as you will get in the sunnah of the blessed prophet of Allah, Muhammad (AS).

I guess the Prophet left a complete religion. It should be tampered with, while you guys play footsie with what you have, disregarding some prophet, cheapening others and elevating one to godship!

@Tudor: Your dishonesty is so overwhelming. I see that you conveniently turned blind eye at the places I said, rape, bombing, blowing up, etc are not part of Islam. I think you have learnt, and mastered the trick of the village funny man! You live in England, too, but shyly claim Seychelles? I can see through you. Let me point out your faults: dishonesty can't cover them. You said you are a Yoruba man. But in Yoruba land, there was never nothing called atheism, until the likes of Solarin of Mayflower and Prof Ayodele of Unilag. Yoruba people are believers of a Deity, Creator, whom in their animist era of worship, some still are, have a medium to communicate with Him> The Yorubas call Him Olorun, etc. The Muslims and the Christians still do call Him the same names, till this day,

Difference is that the Christians now set up still a medium, replacing Shango (for the Onishangos), with their Jesus! In essence, the Christians are animist, if you put Jesus in place of Shango, Oya, Yemeja, Obatala, Osun, etc. Is Atheism part of Yoruba culture? No. But we have found a handful, who are suffering from mind bending condition(s) to have become some. Same condition(s) we find in Islam, with the Suicide Bombers, rapist, etc. While the Yorubas say Aji se bi yoruba lanri, to mean that Yoruba culture elevates people who adopt it, same is Islam; the islamic culture comes to Elevated Mankind to the best of reformed leel of humanity!

And man, do you have to be so confused, to make the same entry, twice? Are you okay man?! If this persist, Ileya o, Odun Imale. Adopt that; 9ja yaa o.


@$Osisi: It will be my pleasure to learn that you are wearing Hijab. I probably will become a friend to your husband. The unwrapping is the best part, unlike when everything is out for everyone to see; husband and those whose heart are perverted. The woman becomes a novelty, each time the husband sees her. At least thats how I see mine own! Truly I wish for your sake. So put it own, woman.

$Osisi, I dont live in "muslim countries." The yankee I have lived for enough time to know the ins and the outs, what I have learnt is that it is for the most part, a christian nation by share percentage of its population.

However we see, we hear and we read, always the never ending rape cases. In some situation, it can almost be taking as a country/societal passtime. You know itand I sure know it. Those who do not rape go about having illicit affairs. Look, Ensign, the governor, etc! Finally, the last time i heard about rapes, in muslim countries; Iraq had plenty of American GIs raping and even killing the family of the "young" girl they rape. None of them said that the muslim women and girls they raped was not a virgin!

$Osisi, "mercy" killing is not Islamic. Sexual promiscuity, as i do not condone it, yet it is not on the same platform as "Shirk"; worship any or not other than Allah.

Someday, you will relax enough and you , in the company of your spouse will meet me and my wife. Then we can discuss what you need to know. Zainab will explain to you in pure Igbo. But in the maintime, your lecture on Islam is meant for those who are against Islam, already. How could you be a good teacher when you have never believed in One Single God and accepted His last prophet (AS), made Wudu, the small one and or the big one, took Ghusl after sexual relationship or emission, made Salah, give sakat and or sadaqah, fasted, made Hajj or do good work for the pleasure of Allah? You have never in your entire life stood in full humility before God/Allah/Elohim!


My dear woman. Zainab will teach you in authentic Igbo tongue.

I think $Osisi is a closet Muslima. Some day in the future, I see her tucking that body of hers in Jilbab. That will be a sight in Aba, especially on the two holidays. My people speak good words to her. I see her eager for Islam. Zainab did. And she hated Islam far more than you.

@$Osisi: « #1 on: Yesterday at 06:30:31 PM »

They are no misconceptions.Some Islamic sects like the shittes believe in and practice temporary marriages,similar to renting a woman for sexual pleasure for a specified number of hours,days or months.
They have hadiths to prove that Mohammed allowed this.Sunnis say the act has been abrogated.
Confusion in high places.

There is misconception, in the sense that the Quran stopped mutah marriages. I think it is Nisaa verse 25 that abrogated it, immediately below the verse that spoke about its permissability. Unless it abrogated it, it would not have ome after it. And 24 and 25 verses were not revealed at the same time!

There would not be an unthentic ahadith that allows it having the last word on it, except one that disallowed it. And the shia are more deviants in my opinion for many reasons: their disrespect of Umar bin Khattab for one. The same man that the Prophet (AS) honored so muc. The same man that Allah agreed with in his suggestions by many verses of the Quran. (a) the two rakah at the station of Ibrahim (AS) in kaaba. (b) the covering of women when going outside, the siuation you love so much. Osisi, put Hijab on for your husband. And tell us the result in an upcoming response. (c) the permission to enter your room after Isha, before salahul subh and after duhr. There are more situations that Allah honored Umar (RA) by. So when the Shia dishonor him, is there anything good comingfrom them?

So Shittes rent prostitutes,the rest of you all say it's wrong but both of you agree to marrying little 6 year old girls.
In my opinion, renting grown adult women for pleasure is 1 million times better than molesting little girls in the name of "marriage" even though the former is equally creepy.

Stop sayig things you have no knowledge about. A 15 year old african grl is like a 30 year old woman in america, by her ability to keep the house. If a man marries a 15 year old among the pigmis of Congo, the Houston Oilers will say he is a child molester? You sometimes amaze me by your obvious insensitivity to cultural nuances.

a true polygamist, has no wife!!!, He has plenty of women

~boladonas

You and boladonas understand nothing about the male nature. Of course you are a woman. boladonas is either an asexual or homosexual. Thats a woman? Men are naturally a hunter. If not, you would not have said if your blood sister step to the plate, you will have to turn her loose/out from the house. S whats happening to the republican pretenders? Pretending to love just one woman. And when the rght tail shows up, he runs after it. Big Red dog.

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The mutah marriage described above is even better than another type of Islamic marriage called the nika halala

If Mutah is not permissable, then I wonder if you think the other worse than it will be permissable?

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In addition to mutah, there is another situation of temporary marriage in Islam called “Nikah Halala” which arises when a husband pronounces a triple talaq in quick succession in a fit of rage. The utterance of the triple talaq severs the matrimonial bonds between a husband and his wife and they cannot remarry ‘easily’, if they want to, without help from a third party. The third party comes through halala arrangement. According to Sharia, a divorced woman has to get married with another man after spending the iddah period after her talaq, get divorced from the new husband, wait for iddah, before she can remarry her old husband. I knew of this also before I read Darabi’s article and had filed it away in my memory together with mutah. But Darabi brought it to my attention rather stunningly by quoting a real life story.

She narrated, “Years ago, one of our distant relatives divorced his wife under rage and then was sorry and wanted to get back with her. However, the Mulla would not remarry them unless she married another man, spent a night with the new husband (allowing him to have sex with her), and then was divorced the next day. I recall what a circus this was. The ex-husband was desperate to find a man to pay to marry his ex-wife for one night and then divorce her the next day. Since his ex-wife was a very beautiful woman from a distinguished family, the man needed someone he could trust would divorce his ex-wife the next day. So finally they asked one of my father’s workers to marry the woman. The ex-husband paid this man a substantial sum of money, he slept with the ex-wife for one night, and they were divorced the next day.”

This simply shows the deviance that i have mentioned above. Also it shows the ignorance of those who have no knowledge and lack shame.The knowledge partis very iportnat. A manwho ignores the statement of Muhammad (AS) and adopts the one of his sheik is ignorant. I will not count a trillion talaq ending a mariage, first marriage as 3 divorces, but first. Thats the reality. And I will not be angry enough to throw away good food, because the cool spill water on the table. A man who hurriedly in anger divorces his wife and immediatey cries to want er back deserves to be whipped!

There is an ahadith that advices people to not get angry. It was repeated as advice, oe after the other. I wil take that ahadith and focus on what i like more about my wife, than to angrily divorce her.

If am going to eat a meal, I do not wish anyone it eat before i return to it. Whatever anyone eats, it belong to them> I Olabowale will not return to it.


@Tudór (m) « #3 on: Yesterday at 08:20:03 PM »

Allah commands his slaves to kill,maim, amputate,blow up,rape and loot unbelievers. . . .True or false

Whatever Alla allows, is with Justice, and Mercy. There is no single time that he allows injustices and outright mayhem. Even today, there was looting of the Iraqi treasury and artifact and honor by the coalition of the willing. Theis is what humans do. When a people is displaced, their properties, should not be left untouched! Let me ask you, if all the men in Seychelles were to have been killed by Nigerian Military, and you are the only man left ion he Island, are going to ignore the young child bearing aged women and let them do what, exactly? Leave the society to ruin? And let them die off, without making a new nation out of the remaining?

Blowingup, maiming, looting, killing, raping are not part of islam. If a man is not allowed to in normal situation have ilegal sex, how come is he going to rape? You know muslim are so conscious that people know that the maximum allowable of wives at a given time is 4. Others could have simply added 2 plus 3 plus 4 and plus 1 to arrive at 10! He and his society will know that he had lied or ignorant or intentionally ignoring the ruling.

The war mongers from al around the world! Even from Seychlles. An dthey will be the last to enlist in time of war! None of you ever applied to the Nigerian military to be a defender of Nigerian territory. Or all your folks don't live in Nigeria, anymore?


Rave about other lands and ignoring your own is so patrotic. I wonder why Nigeria is at the bottom of the heap.

@$Osisi: Remember that I also qualified the statement of the Yoruba women, meaning Muslim women, by mentioning Zainab. Zainab has not Yoruba lineage. And do do the wife of Alhaji Isa Okeke, in Enugu. America is hotter, you will agree in the summer than Lagos, would ever be.

If you have a person who doesn't take good showers and hygenic, it will not mind whether she is covered or not, hot or cold weather, at a point, you will find smelly person.

Just to let you know that I am not zeroing on the Yoruba in the general sense of your statement: an average person who is a tad clean will know that a show is necessary in hot climate, if you can afford it.

In New York City, people wear Hijab and Kimar and they do not sweat. Hajj calls for women to still cover in that crowd of people. Yet everyone says that their heat discomfort is not unusual than any normal situation; away from a large crowd. That in itself is a miracle.

And no instructions to layer up, either. The instruction is cover up so that you can be identified as a muslim woman and not be molested.

Chihuahua

$Osisi, you did not have to say that Yoruba women will stink like skunk! Lagos is not as hot as New York in the summer. Death Valley/Desert Spring California USA, is the hottest place on earth. If a muslim woman is there she should when she goes out to the Public, wear Hijab! Thats the order from Allah.

If muslim men were gorking at the women, then Imagine what the preying ready to pounce Christian men are doing?! If men are still able to look at the women in Hijab, just imagine whats happening to the women who have all the family jewels out?

Allah says that women should be known as muslim and not be molested. These are the reasons for wearing Hijab. Hollywood Boulevard is kicking right about now: We can imagine how things will be toned down if they all wear Hijab.

You too. Go put some on. And Zainab in all her Igbo frame wears it. I gues that kills the Yoruba stinking like skunk statement. For there are a lot of non yoruba women whose Body Odor are doing jumping jack! You should know them in Houston, the Hospital Emergency Room should be full of them! And the Big labradores (Dogs) are the Christian men, while Muslims are mexican Chowahwas

Davidylan, Islam comprises, primarily the Quran and then secondarily the Hadith/Sunnah that explain and make clear what Quran says. No single man knows the whole of Islam! This is why Javalove who is living at a distant generation from whence Quran was revealed is asking question that is germaine to his condition.

For me, if people buy some article, say in the days of old in Nigeria, when Surf was introduced, and you get a ticket with your purchase to enter a raffle, then I agree that you can design a software to select a winner. This is clear that there is no gambling involved. You already got your money's worth of goods at purchase. What you will be getting is "top up" in form of winning.

The form that your question seem to be indicating is as if it is similar to call in or text in, where their is a cost attached to the how you get qualified to win. If the text in or call in is not the only way to qualify, I will say that you should do it. My explanation is based on the fact that "US Publisher's clearing house" involves some purchases, yet those who do not buy the materials/magazines, etc can just simply fill out the forms to enter the competition, too.


However, good things can be done in a bad situation: a taxi driver can pick a ride from a Bar to the fare's house. Thats a good deed. While he can't knowingly pick a a man from his home or the street and drop him at a drinking place.

While he can pick illicit sexual participants from hotel to their homes, he should not pick them, knowingly to go to hotels for illicit sexual escapade!


Now in your case, before you go into designing the software, ask many detail questions about what the participants need to do: Is it going to cost everyone some funds to enter, without some valuable in return, except the hope to win? If this is the case, and you already know I will not suggest that you participate in it.

My reason is the same reason I will tell a grape farrmer/vineyard owner not to sell his grape to a wine maker, who specifically told him what the grapes will be used for.

There are a lot of " lucrative on paper" businesses I will not participate in. Islamic injuction should supersede.

Allah knows everything.

Umar Ibn Al Khattab (2nd Caliph of Islam) 3/18

Every verse of the Quran is a response to inquires or prevailing situations that was and always on ground within Muslims, and mankind at large!

So when a person foolishly asked if Allah the Most Forgiving ever forgave anyone, one sees very clearly that the questioner is ignorant and deluded. If one is to consider the very names of Allah: Al Afuww, Al Gafur, Al Rahman, Al Haleem, etc. One will see that the very names denote that He is the Only One who can forgive. Meaning, if any were to forgive you and Allah does not on the same matter, you are the loser!

I was listening to the life history of Umar Al farooq (a root word derived from Furqan) bin Khattab yesterday, and his migration to Madina was what I wanted to toch on:

His migration companion was a brother of Abu Jahal (Laana tullah Alal kafirin), whom they lied to, as he and Umar arrived in Madina. They got him back to Makka from Madina by tying him up on the Camel that Umar loaned him.

In time Umar was sad about the condition of his friend in Makka, so he asked the prophet about what is the condition of people like that with Allah. Immediately, Allah revealed to Muhammad the verse of the Quran that says to former Muslims and Muslims and nonMuslims as they will enter Islam, that those of His slaves who have transgressed should not lose hope in the forgiveness of Allah, that He forgives all sins, again and again.

This revelation when it got to this man in Makka, in time he left back for Madina and return to Islam.


Is it not clear then that Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful and Practices the Best of Graciousness and Justice?

For the Muslims who will like to listen to the tape; please google video: Umar bin Khattab. Its the second or the third of 18 parters.

For me I think except that a person is willing to be just and fair in conversation, no one should discuss with the disbelievers, because they are always unjust and can't e trusted, because they toll the line of their leaders: their Malaa. Read the Quran. Allah talks about the Malaas of the disbelievers who pull the strings of their masses. The masses just respond to them, without question. I call it zombie syndrome.

I just can't but state that Islam of Muhammad (AS) existed in Makka, for 13 years, with Muhammad, this muslim brothers and sisters and their Creator fighting a single fight. Though the Muslims were persecuted, and worse, men and women were killed or ran out of town. It is this oppression and evildoing of the makaans, and the people of taif and others that led to the minor Hijras (twice) to Abbysinia.

Yet Allah alone was capable of wiping off the face of the earth the Makkans and the people of Taif. Afterall, he defeated the army of the people of the Elephant, with any one fighting them. Afterall, the battle of the confederates was won without the muslims fighting. The battle of the trenches, was won by just the wind overcoming the disbelievers.

It is this oppression that finally ran Muhammad (AS) out of his beloved city, Makka. I remember that a woman whose father was named Surakat wanted to change it, as a last name, when she learnt that Surakat, a slave of a Makkan wealthy was sent to locate the hide out of the Prophet and Abu Bakr his companion (RA). I had to tell her that in the end Surakat became Muslim. And who was it among the makkans, that did not convert from some religion to Islam? So the initial deeds, before Islam did not matter.

It is a known fact that the makkans pursued Muhammad (AS) to the end. And it was the Grace and Protection of Allah that made it impossible for them to kill him. Surah Yasin;s verse 9 is a testament to the evilness of the Makkans.

Finally, as we speak about Mercy of Allah, in Surah Taha, verse 47 instructed Musa (AS) to appeal to the heart of Pharaoh, even though he had transgressed all bounds of evil limits! This is different from the Biblical "Let my people go!", to a nobility.

And when Muahmmad (AS) had an upperhand over the Makkans and the Taif people did kill all of them? The answer is obvious. This is different from what the Chrsitian Crusaders did in the Larger crusades, or what the Spaniards did in their inquisitions. Both worked for Jesus, Ghost god and Father god and not Allah or Muhammad His Slave. In surah Yusuf, we see how Allah inspired Yusuf to wholesale forgive his brothers, who plotted against him.

I asked a Christian if he will allow Hulk Hogan at the top of his game, in the 80s slaugh him on the right cheek. As hard as he can, and then turn the other cheek? This guy laughed and asked if I was kidding him. I said no, since your Bible called for turning the other cheek, I need to know the reality.

Am still waiting for his response, up till now.

I hope that I will have a sincere answer some day. The reality is this; no one will allow a person to slap him silly, twice. America has a saying: instead of fool me, I will say, slap me. So slap me once is on you. But slap me twice is truly on me. Only a fool will swallow such a garbage.

@dxmond: I dont sleep with my wife when she is in her period. If it was not by Allah's Mercy that Islam entered by heart, it would have been anything and everything go for me. Go back and see how people without rule/laws handle their sexual business! They are worse than animals.


@Tudor: You too, omo Oduduwa. Oduduwa must have been a concorted tale of the yoruba people. No one is ever called that name.

Nonsense! When you people lie, you break all bounds.

I do know now that I missed havila. At least the guy had some shame. Unlike some whose heart lacks any morality. While havila lied, he at least had a limit. He sometimes argued with some decency. Here we now have a new crop of Christian missionaries; Their atrocities are overwhelming. they have no shame.

But Allah has stated in His Book that they will not be satisfied with you except that they wished you leave your way of life in Islam for their gods! Should I leave a single and sure of "God" for a 3 gods disguising as 1?!

B. If u are not a muslim. Allah does not want u to come to repentance. Allah is not ready to FORGIVE ur ignorance. Allah has commanded his faithfulls to kill you and he has promised them alone a place in his imaginary paradise.

The last time I checked, everyone knows that there is something called paradise. The Christians on the other hand have what is called heaven. But there are seven heavens. Amerrican TV even has a program named 7 heavens. Mark you these are overwhelmingly Jews and Christians. If Paradise is imaginary, at least it is in the Quran. All muslims agree on its nature. It is vastly superior to the best this earth can boast of. And the Christian heaven has nothing to talk about except clapping and singing, still to Jesus! When do you rest? You suffered so much humiliation of going to church on earth. You continued with the same in heaven? Whats the difference between earth and heaven, then except spatial changes?

An ignorant person is not a person who defiantly ignores guidance. He is no more ignorant when he exercises his freewill.

verse 2: allah asks his faithfulls to fight and tax willingly and forcefully non-muslims because he cannot FORGIVE them.
You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly. surah 9:29a

This is mercy. While they could have been slaughtered as we see in the Bible and the Cruade, they are simply asked to pay taxes! In the process of paying taxes, their hearts could be soft and be guided aright. Afterall, some American slaves even themselves protected their slave masters. Yet the Cildren of Israel who themselves have suffered holocaust are today the perpetratot of modernized ethnic cleansing on the palestinians. What a god in the Bible. A god that could not cleanse the heart of those who had suffered, except that they practiced what they had suffered on others.

verse 3: allah guides people astray and refuses to help or forgive them.

Nay, the wrong-doers (merely) follow their own lusts, being devoid of knowledge. But who will guide those whom Allah leaves astray? To them there will be no helpers. surah 30:29

In the face of overwhelming evidence against their supposition, they still choose tevil. Is there no reward for evil? Afterall, Allah gave free will. Then He provided the road maps to Paradise by His Mercy. And He provided road map to Hell by His Justice. Whosoever choose Hell deserves it. And whosoever chooses paradise gets it by His Mercy. Guidance of the hearts of those who are successful.

verse 4: allah wants to kill and amputate everyone cos he cant FORGIVE them.
surah 5:33 "The only reward for those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom, "

Is there a man here, who will have mercy on a man who is raping his mother, or aunt, sister, or niece or wife or daughter, and she cried out in agony, except he is a man who have no "honor?" For me, the man is dead! And I have shame and honor. I hope my women folks; my wife for example will kill a person who is standing on top of me, while I am asleep and she has a gun to take take him out!
I hope when a man breaks in my house, to rob me of my belonging finds me a formidable resistance against his evil desire! And crucifixion of the evildoers should not be too hard for yu to swallow. Afterall, your lord was crucified for his deeds. No? Allah uses crucifixion for evil doers not doers of good!

verse 5: why cant allah forgive idolators and bring them to repentance?
quran 9:5
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them.

And the OT God did not forgive the people of Sodom and Gommorah. The God of OT did not forgive the people Abraham fought. The people of Egypt. The Army of Pharaoh. And will Pharaoh enter Praradise of the christian god? Why don't you ask the son and let us know about his response. How about those people the Children of israel killed all the way to The "promised land?" How about the people killed under Saul, David, Solomon, his son, etc? Fake human being!

verse 6: even though allah has condemned his own faithful and devout ones to hell, he still wouldnt forgive the unfaithfuls.
SURA 2:39: But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein.

Even though, you are wrong about your statement, I will just want to let you know that I am satisfied with being condemned by Allah, and then He ransomed me, by His Mercy. But those who are not Muslims, can't expect such a ransome. My ransome will be like the one on Ibrahim and his son, Ismail. What a great ransome.

verse 7: why is allah so unforgiving

SURA 2:191: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

Anyone who has any common sense, and there is no need for matriculation here, to see that the muslims were aked to take back what was their belonging: They have been driven out., first. In my father's home town of Ijebu Ode, if I were given an inheritance, for example, will I allow anyone to usurp it, without asking for its return, the moment I arrive back to Nigeria? Those people who didn't fight for tjeir right are called bastards. And I am not one.

An american founding father said "Give me liberty (freedom to control my own) or give me death!" Those are men who at least have honor in their ownselves.

verse 8: why is allah is an unforgiving deity? he spares no one. why must allah encourage his followers to return evil for evil?
SURA 2:194: And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).

Is am eye for an eye, not equal to evil for evil? This is the standing commandment in the Bible, today! Everyone should read the OT! And the unattainable injuction of turn theother cheek was not even practiced by Jesus. Proof, he did not forgive Judas Iscariot, his loyal follower, who did everything to a T as he predicted! Further he did not even forgive the thief on his left. Neither did he forgive the innocent tree tht was following all the fig tree's law of fruit bearing!


[quote]verse 9: is allah an unforgiving deity?
SURA 4:89: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them

This brought tomemory the issue of the Jewess in Egypt She was poor and saw a wealthy muslim on a horse. So she asked, why am I in my paradise and poor, but you in your jail, wealthy and honored? The muslim replied that when the woman enterd hell on that day, she will look back at her earthly condition and realised it was paradise. And he the muslim in Paradise will look back to this very timme and see that it was like a jail.

What is a few abandonement of home so that one can receive the Mercy of Allah? And Jesus even made the fishermen leave their livelihood to become fishers of men? No? If you fish for men, and I fish for paradise, who has gained a bigger reward? Darm hypocrite.

verse 10: is allah is both unforgiving and unpeaceful?

SURA 4:91: If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.

And this is a better deal than what used to happen in Makka or the arabs, at large. Considering that they are now made to discard the garb of generational ethnic/tribal fights, and united under a single Umbrella of Laa ila ha Ilallah. Shall we not then say that even today, the Christians have pillaged every society tey have brought their religion? Look at whats happening in Iraq: raping a young woman who is even covered, except that face was the only thing the Christian savage saw! He raped her, being assisted by his brothers in Christianity. Then they killed het and all her familiy members! What a religion. Allah says not to go beyond the setlimit in revenge!

What is the offense of the young Iraqi woman? Just being a woman or just being a muslim woman? Then where is the justice when they raped her, killed her and killed all her family? Jesus must be just, afterall. This is justice or greater; Mercy?

Infant thinking! And I would not even go to the Bible to talk about this. It is still happening today!

While the American Muslims, each have stated that they are new eople by Islam, their saying is very genuine, because I am a new person by islam. Afterall, I am not chasing after every tail that I see. My yorubaness is curbed. The same apply to my friend Ali Isong from Calabar. same to Muhammad, from Igboland.

verse 11: allah is so unforgiving that he has his own set of punishments compared to the ones he gave his followers.
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ [i.e., only God can burn someone with fire in hell.] No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet [Mohammed] said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’” Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260

And the Nigerians, and thank God, not all Muslims (majority of the Igbo people are Christians. $Osisi, am I correct?), when there is a thief who is apprehended, they still burn him to death! $Osisi; defend your faith or deny my saying about how Igbos will treat a thief!

verse 12: why does allah unforgivably kills with rage?
Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

And you wished that I reject faith? I guess you fail to realise that I have been on earth a while longer. And I have seen the reality of life. They say the young may have more new clothing than the much older, but never can he have as much rags!

verse 13: why did allah tell mohammed to do this?
Bukhari (52:260) - ", The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

verse 14: These are the group of people allah CANNOT forgive, so he asked mohammed to kill them all.
Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

And the children of Israel, the chosen people were made to waste away in the willderness for 40 years. This process was a way to kill all those who participated in the golden calf, if they were 40 years at the time. A journey of 4o days was made to 40 years, by the combined gods; son, ghost and father! Is this what I should ome to? Ha ha. Mercy indeed. And then he had to kill a human and even that is not a guarantee for not going to lake of fire for those who swallowed the "killing!" And when you see a man complaining about the judgement of illegal sex, know thats the husband for your daughter. Such a man can't keep his organ where it should belong.

verse 15: why is it that when ever allah cannot forgive, he resorts to killing?
Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

How gullible can I be to take it that Jesus who can't defend himself from the anger of his tribe's men will defend me a complete "GENTILE", and black, too? I know about the racist Jews! Tell me about it. Again, don't remind me of the Biblical killings of the Amorites, the Jebusites, the Phistines, etc! Talk about mercy!

verse 16: do u actually think that allah is capable of forgiveness?
Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

verse 17: allah has repeatedly sowed the seeds of unforgivable nature from himself to mohammed and to other generations of muslims. This nature has resulted in killing in the name of discarding allah.
Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"


verse 18: allah also asked that unbelief should never be forgiven. why allah? why?
Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

The Jews must be safe in your hands, if we look at what will become of them as Jesus returns, to judge. What will be judge on, except right from wrong? Will he judge the wrong people to paradise or hellfire/fire of lake? While we observe the mayhem of the Christians on the Jews, we the muslims will not cry, since we know that you consider us an open enemies. I am happy for the label. But let consider the Crusaders and even the christian countries who are now ruling the world; is there a fight that they do not prosecute, if push really comes to shove?

verse 19: another evidence of allah's unforgiving attitude.
Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

I will never bring up the killing field of Bible god; father, ghost and son, under Moses! But I remember Jesus asking people to bring a people in the parable to the king so that they could be slained. I remember Jesus asking people to buy sword. I remember Jesus talking about death by the means of what a person rules by. Did Jesus rue by "crucifixion, hence he died by it? Another Biblical saying that does not make any sense.

verse 20: olabowale, do u actually think allah is capable of forgiving?
Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
MORE VERSES TO COME.

When such a person wilfully undermines Islam by lies. Just the same way that you are doing, liar! Just imagine somebody lied against your heritage and abuse your family. He was just going to kill everyone of them, and you told him to stop, but he turned his pistol on you. I wonder what Jesus followers like you will do, while you have your own gu? You will allow him to kill you and then turn to finish the job on your family? Think man. You said you have an education? Where is the essence of it? Is it only in your classrooms and job? Education is more than that.

And its Mr. Olabowale to you, since I am alot older than you. Unless there is no respect where you come from. Then continue with calling me Olabowale. I know its my first name. and there shouldn't be a mister. For a dishonest man like you, I am making an exception.

if allah forgives, why does he ask u to behead and amputate offenders? whats the essence of sharia law, if allah is a forgiving deity?

And for us who accept Sharia, we do not complain about it. I wonder what is the concern of a disbeliever about what a believer accepts? If it was not for sharia that guides the hearts of many a soul in America, I can see much injustices. A man guides his privacy because of his. Yesterday a friend was telling me that his wife accepted him having so many girlfriends and even taking other wives, if he wished, before they entered Islam. But now that they are muslims, she finds it difficult to waccept what she had previously had no problems with. Yet this man, because of his concern for being just in his life, was discussing this and having to ask for advise. Benefit of Sharia, is that it allows people to keep their properties, and hope it will not be taking by force by "area Boys or whatever!"

If sharia is practiced in the whole of Nigeria now, the issue of those people invading a neighborhood will at least not be as "I wish to invade and you can't do anything," as it is now! They can be sure that those of them caught will have their days in court and can kiss their trigger finger good bye.

do u have an example of ANYONE allah forgave in the koran

True forgiveness must have a process. The one who is forgiven must at least know that he is guilty as charged. The Forgiver must be the one who has complete authority to forgive or not forgive. Should forgiveness not be meritted by deeds, even the mere fact of accepting/acknowledgement of said sinful behaviors? All the former Idolators of Makka, etc were forgiven by mere acceptance of Islam. Which means they walked away from their Idol worshipping. And Muhammad forgave all Makkans, upon the muslims being victorious there.

And Allah says all Muhammad's saying is by Inspiration. Jassass, dumb Yoruba boy! If I were in front of you, you will at least receive 2 gbosas from my shoes. And if I were to act in my yoruba cultural heritage, for your stupid lies, I aught to string you on a post and have you publicly whipped! And make you a valid example of the outcome of dishonesty. I spit!

I m not ignorant (atheism) neither am I heartless (islam).

Except that you are a fool, and unable to add: 1 plus 1 plus 1 is not 1, but 3!

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Surah Mariam Verse 71: Entering Hellot mean being burnt/punished by it! Afterall, Ibrahim (AS) entered the fire of Nimerod. He was not burnt by it. This is the case, also with the Muslims! So those who believed ignorantly that Muslims will be burnt by the misinterpreted "enter" of Hell, are now defeated.

Alleyha is the word; which translate to being a pathway over! I don't know how the brains of these "evil" disbelievers couldn't catch that? When a man walks on a bridge, I didn't know that he was actually entering the water that the bridge is build over? But I always wonder why the cloth is not always wet? Any one with logical explanation?

You foolish and unthinking soul: What forgiveness does offer Jesus to a person who rejects him?

Say an atheist, a Muslim, a hindu, a Jew; all died without accepting the human god as God? And what does he offer you, while on earth you didn't perform any miracle in his name, yet we read from the Bible that many who performed great Miracles in his name, shall be condemned anyway?

Why would I have to seek salvation through human sacrifice, anyway, when my salvation is at least begins with my personal responsibility of obedience to my Creator's guideline for my success? Is there anyone, who knows the best wishes for me more than myself, among those who have ever walked the surface of the earth?

Can Jesus know my innermost desire, while he was able to know what is visual and seasonal in his mid-eastern enviroment, like the season of the Fig fruit? If Jesus could not know anything about the future, like end-time, am I not part of that future that was unknown to Jesus?

Don't be silly, $Osisi, week days warrior, weekends peacemaker! A person who cried, fought and complained all the way to the electric chair could not be considered a brave heart, or could he? Thats the case of your Jesus. But thats another subject, altogether!


Allah says that the bearer of burden does not bear the burden of another! Why shall I hand my happiness on a man who expressed miserability and sorrow?

Finally if I were to have converted from a religion that gives me salvation, without any sacrifice of any thing; I definitely will not convert out to the one that saw the only way for salvation is through human hanging! I will not even go to Jewish religion because of their "tribalist identity!" I am in complete resolve, satisfied with Allah for His non-bothersome, easy on the body make your inroad to salvation plan for me!


As I recall, there is no known authority; parents, family structure, job/employment and or governmental and societal, that has no rule! The Creator should not be expected to have any less structural Authority. Should the disobedient be equal in reward to the Obedient? Some people can't think!

Am wasting my valuable time with this "BOY." And I should know better not to indulge him.


Allah’s Forgiveness:
Allah the Almighty is the most Forgiving. There are many names of Allah given in the Qur’an. Some of which are related to His mercy and forgiveness. Let me mention some of these names.

Al Ghafoor (The Most Forgiving):
The most Forgiving. This name occurs in the Qur’an more than seventy times. There are other names from the same root.The meaning of the “ghafar” is to cover, to hide and from it comes the meaning “to excuse”, “to pardon”, “to remit” and “to forgive”. Allah the Almighty does all these things. In the Qur’an, it is mentioned that Allah does not forgive shirk (without repentance) but He may forgive every other sin for whomsoever He wills.

As Allah says in the Qur'an:

"Indeed! God does not forgive the sin of ascribing partners to Him, but He forgives anything else to whom He pleases, and whoever takes partners with God has gone astray into far error".Qur'an (4:116)

We must turn to Allah to seek His forgiveness.

Al-’Afuw:
This is another aspect of forgiveness. This name occurs in the Qur’an five times. Literally the word ‘Afuw means “to release” “to heal”, “to restore”, “to remit”. It means that Allah “ releases us from the burden of punishment due to our sins and mistakes”, “to restore our honor after we have dishonored ourselves by committing sins and making mistakes.” In some verses in the Qur’ an both names: ‘Afuw and Ghafoor occur together.

Al-Tawwab:
This name means The Acceptor of repentance. This name of Allah is mentioned in the Qur’an about 11 times. Allah accepts the repentance of those who sincerely repent and turn to him for forgiveness. The word “Tawwab” gives the sense of “oft-returning” which means that Allah again and again accepts the repentance. We make sins and mistakes then we repent, He accepts our repentance. Then again we commit sins and make mistakes and when we repent, He again very kindly accepts us and gives us another chance. It is important to mention that we have to repent from our sins quickly and turn to God and ask for His forgiveness.

Al-Haleem:
The Clement. This name is mentioned fifteen times in the Qur’an. It means that Allah The Almighty is not quick to judgment. He gives us time. He forebears and is patient with us till we return to Him.

Al-Rahman and al-Rahim:
The most Merciful and Compassionate. These names are the most frequently mentioned in the Qur’an. Al-Rahman is mentioned 57 times and Al-Raheem is mentioned 115 times. Al-Rahman indicates that Allah’s mercy is abundant and plenty and Al-Raheem indicates that this is always the case with Allah.

Qur'an 5:3
Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine
and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah
that which hath been killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a headlong fall or by being gored to death;
that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal;
unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form);
that which is sacrificed on stone (altars);
(forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety.
This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me.
This day have I perfected your religion for you completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
But if any forced by hunger with no inclination to transgression Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.


And as for those who believe and do good works, He will pay them their wages in full (Surah 3:57,).

Then, as for those who believed and did good works, unto them will He pay their wages in full, adding unto them of His bounty; and as for those who were scornful and proud, them will He punish with a painful doom (Surah 4:173,).

O ye who believe! If ye keep your duty to Allah, He will give you discrimination (between right and wrong) and will rid you of your evil thoughts and deeds, and will forgive you. Allah is of infinite bounty (Surah 8:29, ).

And those who believed and did good works are made to enter the Gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein abiding by permission of their Lord, their greeting therein: Peace! (Surah 14:23, ).

Say: O My slaves who have been prodigal to their own hurt! Despair not of the mercy of Allah, Who forgiveth all sins. Lo! He is the Forgiving, the Merciful. Turn unto Him repentant, and surrender unto Him, before there come unto you the doom, when ye cannot be helped (Surah 39:53-54,).

The Turning from unbelief to Allah is the specific grounds upon which Allah forgive past sin and extend continuing forgiveness to the believer (cf. Surah 11:3; 26:51; 45:30; 46:31).

And those who believe and do good works and believe in that which is revealed unto Muhammad—and it is the truth from their Lord—He riddeth them of their ill-deeds and improveth their state (Surah 47:2,).

And whosoever striveth, striveth only for himself, for lo! Allah is altogether Independent of (His) creatures. And as for those who believe and do good works, We shall remit from them their evil deeds and shall repay them the best that they did, And as for those who believe and do good works, We verily shall make them enter in among the righteous (Surah 29:6-7,9, ).

“Hold to forgiveness, command what is right, and turn away from the ignorant.” (Qur’an, 7: 199)

“… They should rather pardon and overlook. Would you not love Allah to forgive you? Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Qur’an, 24:22)

“The repayment of a bad action is one equivalent to it. But if someone pardons and puts things right, his reward is with Allah…” (Qur’an, 42:40)

“…. But if you pardon and exonerate and forgive, Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Qur’an, 64: 14)

“But if someone is steadfast and forgives, that is the most resolute course to follow.” (Qur’an, 42:43)

“control their rage and pardon other people.” (Qur’an, 3:134)

“Indeed! God does not forgive the sin of ascribing partners to Him, but He forgives anything else to whom He pleases, and whoever takes partners with God has gone astray into far error”.Qur’an (4:116)

“Those who avoid major sins and acts of indecencies and when they are angry they forgive.” Qur’an ( 42:37)

“The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon Allah.”Qur’an ( 42:40)

“If you punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, indeed it is better for the patient. Endure you patiently. Your patience is not except through the help of Allah.”Qur’an (16:126-127)

“Let not those among you who are endued with grace and amplitude of means resolve by oath against helping their kinsmen, those in want and those who migrated in the path of Allah. Let them forgive and overlook. Do you not wish that Allah should forgive you? Indeed Allah is oft-Forgiving, most Merciful.”Qur’an (24:22)

[5.45] And We PRESCRIBED to them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and (that there is) reprisal in wounds; but he who foregoes it, it shall be an expiation for him; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust.


This is an allowance from your Lord and His mercy [upon you. You must not take undue advantage from it. Remember that] whoever transgresses [in the implementation of this law] even after this [allowance], he shall then face an extremely painful punishment. And [the law of] Qisas is source of life for you, O people bestowed with understanding, so that you live your lives within the prescribed limits.” (Surah Baqarah 178 – 179)

Qur'an 33:35
Lo! men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender,
And men who believe and women who believe,
And men who obey and women who obey,
And men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth,
And men who persevere (in righteousness) and women who persevere,
And men who are humble and women who are humble,
And men who give alms and women who give alms,
And men who fast and women who fast,
And men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty),
And men who remember Allah much and women who remember--
Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward.


Qur'an 49:12
O ye who believe! avoid suspicion as much (as possible):
for suspicion in some cases is a sin:
and spy not on each other nor speak ill of each other behind their backs.
Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?
Nay ye would abhor it, but fear Allah:
for Allah is Oft-Returning Most Merciful,

I hope you are educated. And even though I promised not to respnd to you, I need to remind you that you said for every verse of goodness, forgivingness, mercifulness, etc from the Quran, you will bring out 5 verses of injustices/unjust punishment.

I hope that you know that an Entity Who called Himself Merciful, Gracious, Beneficient, said it all. There is no mention against His name that He is Unjust, and practices Injustice.

In all, you have not brought a single verse to show any injustice or unjust punishment by Allah. And Abuzola had provided a verse stating that Allah wrote for Himself in a Book, that His Mercy is ever overcoming His Anger. Finally I do not want to talk to you about anything since your dishonesty is overwhelming: a single verse you have not produced, regardless of $Osisi's irregularity of producing Biblical verses from not "the Gospels", as if the agreement was to say "Bible have more so called mercy than the Qur'an." If I were to stoop low as to counter her, I will bring statements not only from Qur'an, qualifying the Mercifulness of Allah.

But statements from Hadith, which is in the level as "Gospels" (prophet stamements), the statements of the Sahabas, like that of Acts of the "Didciples, excluding whatever Saul/Paul said: statements from companions/followers of prophets. I will bring statements from the Tabihin, which will be equal to what Paul is saying; followers of Companions and disciples.


So when you talk to me, think. Finally, you don't need me. The Muslims can do great job about Qur'an against your false claim, which you have not been able to substantiate. And my coming to Christianity; On one hand you have not proven a single thing against Allah. On the other hand, I follow the religion of Isa bin Mariam, Musa bin Imran, Ibrahimhanifan.

It is you I should ask why haven't you recounted on te 3 gods?! Again, good bye, because you only waste my time. And I could be fishing.

@emmy jp: Sell the Trinity story to the Jews in Montsy, NY State. Sell it to the Asidim in Brooklyn's Eastern Parkway's Crown Height. Sell it to the Jews in Borough park, etc or the ones on the East Side of NYC. Or the ones who are in Beverly Hills or the Kenessett body in Israel! Take it to them first. Fight it out with them. The Muslims will like to see how successful you are.

Finally, is God of the Christians the Olorun of Yoruba people? No!


Is Allah the Olorun? Yes. I aught to know. I am a Yoruba man for over 50 years. And it is Olorun I say when I am talking to Yoruba people. And I am a muslim. I do not mean the God of the Christians! Eyin Omo Musulumi, e beu Olorun. And am correct.

@Backslider: The Yorubas have a song which goes something like this, " Faa lubarika si ishe mi o Oba Olu wa (2ice). Ka si she kekere o, ka re re pupo o, Faa lu barika sishe mi o Oba Oluwa. (Excuse my yoruba writing).

now let us look at

this

Volume 3, Book 43, Number 652:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "While a man was on the way, he found a thorny branch of a tree there on the way and removed it. Allah thanked him for that deed and forgave him."


This truely Contradict the qualification of forgiveness

Q. Ch4 (the women)

173) Then as for those who believe and do good, He will pay them fully their rewards and give them more out of His grace; and as for those who disdain and are proud, He will chastise them with a painful chastisement. And they shall not find for themselves besides Allah a guardian or a helper


I am will be waiting

How does the simple action of removing a thorny thing of f the path, and the reward is reward of forgiveness, is contradicting Chapter 4 verse 173? Is thanking and forgiving not acts of appreciation, Mercy? Is the act of removing a thing that may create difficulty for the people that will come in contact with it, as great as the reward of receiving thanks from Allah and then being Forgiven by Him?

I don't get you. Please explain. And by the way, Bukhari is not the end of all ahadith.

And she does not argue on weekends. She leaves all argument for week days. Thats so hypocritical. Disingenuous. You see why Christianity is not on my list of things to do?

BTW what was the diference between the 2 Bible Bibles you were given
Tell the readers

Good question. The difference is like having two types of Books, titled "Grey's Anatomy." Each Textbook is by different publisher. One is used by New York University of Medicine and Dentistry. The other is used by Columbia University of Medicine and Dentistry. But when you open each, side by side and compare on any single topic, say the Optic (eye) organ, you find that there is some differences in information.

Also, one of the two Books have materials about the state of dead body, hair and nails, while the other does not.
You are a Doctor. Are these books actually the same? This is the case with your Bibles; KJV and Douwy! $Osisi, if you can't understand this, then I am surprised that you are not knowledgeable that you have no "Original Bible", but all that you have in your Library and church are "corrupted!" And Alla did not ay that HE saveguard the Bible. Afterall He did not reveal the Bible! He revealed Torah to Musa and Sabur to Daud and Injil to Isa (AS). These are not in themselves, individually Bible. Or are they?

has he forgotten our thread on the different Korans?

I did not forget. But arging blindly, without reason as you often do, does not culmunate to truth. To have a Cheneyl-like pattern of speech, lying and passing it for truth will not work in your defense of the Bible, and your effort otodrag Quran in the mud. Uthmani, Warsh, Hafs are read letter for letter, word for word, secgment for segment, chapter for chapter and 30 divisions for 30 divisions are exactly the same!

Go back and read the Quran arguments, again. Will all the muslims world over agree with their Book, the Quran, regardless of the Print style, you do not have that in Christianity. A proof is that the Catholics do not perform their ritual of Mass with your Protestant Bible. For sure not KJV.

Ask the catolics on Nairaland. Heck, you must have been catholic in your earlier years.