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And she sheds her gra gra quality here. A meow just came out of her. You this woman is a riot. Go to oga and rest. Its Friday night.


Osisi is a lover not a figter. Yet we see her with machete and already suited up in armor

@Davidylan: « #18 on: Today at 09:20:05 PM »
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are you consulting a UN expert on the middle east crisis?

Each time the quran talked of Jerusalem and the land of Israel . . . it ALWAYS mentioned the jews as the inhabitants . . . not ONCE does it acknowledge arabs being owners of Israel . . . yeah even your unreliable quran stands in testimony against you.

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."[/quote]Wow. David. You are not even ashamed about lying on the Quran. Interestingly, it is a good Book now that you think it serves your purpose to quote it so that you can justify Palestine for Israelis! Wow.

But The Israelites were leaving Egypt, heading towords the Sea and beyond, the greater Asia Minor, where today you have many countries, Israel now being one of them. When Pharaoh was scaring them, he was scaring them from the Egyptian side of the Red Sea. Both he and his army and the Israelites under Moses, were on that same side. Except that the Egyptians were in pursuit of the israelites who were ahead, but not yet on the other side of the Sea. Was it not the successful crossing of the children of Israel and the failure and defeat by drowning of the Egyptians that ended this pursuit?

By the way Pharaoh drowned and I intended to open a thread about this to discuss the issue with you. Get ready my man. I don't expect any truth from you. To you everything is fair in "your religious warfare!"

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

Ah so even allah knew this "land" that Frizy cant find?

The flimflam master! It is Allah when it is to serve your purpose. Muhammad is true when it is to your advantage. Other times, it is lower case a and it is the crying manically of its fraud.

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

Read and reflect. Read with insightfulness. Muhammad came long time after. But before then, during the time of Moses, the Israelites were honored, because they had goodness in them. They are children of Israel, with prophets; Jacob, Joseph are two examples. They share the blood of prophets, the same prophet prophet that the Muhammad and his people share his blood; Ibrahim (AS). Except that they did the sharing through two different branches; Ismail (AS) the first born for Muhammad and his people, the Arabs. Isiaq (AS) the second son for the Bani Israil.

But then they turned their back, ignominosly and then they were overthrown to their own ruin. You can't deny this. When this happened, they lost that very position of favor, because they did not stay in remembrance of Allah their Lord and Cherisher! In the history of Palestine and indeed Ilya (Jerusalem), the Jews were not in control of the land when Islam of Muhammad (AS) began. The Jews/Israelis/Israelites did not become dominant until after the creation of the state of Israel. That was just 60 plus years ago! You see how true the verse is, about being ruined? Abi, aburo?

Which "holy land"? I thought it belonged to the "palestinians"?

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

Where were the "palestinians" all these while?

Holy land, meaning Ilya (Jerusalem), where Dome of the Rock is the symbol, still of this city. Check it out. And by the way it is a masjid where Muhammad (AS) ascended to heavens! Masjid Aqsa is also the next most recognised. It is lower wall that your masters the yahuud (Jews) bopp their head when praying. Haa. O ba mi nbe faa! Rather O ba wa nbe faa. (Majestic pronoun).

So even the quran testifies AGAINST THESE LYING CROOKS?

You are the Croooooook,man when you are not even consistent with how you see the Quran! Is it a fraud or is it the truth? You an have it your way. This is not Wendy fast food joint!



@$osisi (f) « #19 on: Today at 09:37:04 PM »

ROFL
Most of them parrot what they hear others say.

And you provide lies ORIGINALI! I beg woman go sidot.

You may be suprised he's never read those verses since they specialize in cramming them in arabic and regurgitating them like robots without a shred of understanding what it is they're cramming and reciting.

Which is easier for a west african; English language or Arabic? For those who know, arabic is harder. This is why those who memorized the Quran as children are more disciplined and persform alway better in secular academic among their peers. Cramming is good. You know it. You are a Doctor. How did you remeber all those organs, etc in latin, except by cramming/memorising. Seriously!

Their hadiths and koran talk of several Jewish tribes,were they living in the moon?

I ask you to read my earlier entries and respond to me. Have you ever attended the Jewish sedas before? That what they call their ceremonial get together during their fstivals and feasts. You have them saying that the 12 tribes, each must have representation before they begin. I have attended many.

Finally, just because I want to make you laugh so hard, because am doing the same right now: Didn't the Bible (NT) talks about the Judgement day and the "juding the 12 tribes?" Omogel, I tire o.

a true polygamist, has no wife!!!, He has plenty of women

~boladonas

Wrong. A true polygamist have wives, not wife or plenty of women. Only adultere have plenty of women. And only men who are against the natural nature of man have just a wife, like when a man is clean shaven to take the nature of woman. I have full beard and am a man with sound male nature. There is no mistaking it for a woman, even when he is not facing you.

@$Osisi: How ya bodi? Lol.

Now that I have buttered you up, should I ask you to tell me if you know how many people began mankind that is now, tribes and nations and different colors?

Should we assume if you dont believe that the Israelites are nations/tribes, what was the reason that Moses provide twelve (12) water sources for just one group; the israelites?

Could the Benjaminites drink from the Reubenites or the Judah tribe people, even their water source was empty, just because he wanted to show brotherhood love?

Was there a thing known as the breakdown of the Israelites people, to the two nations of Judea and Israel, sometimes after the death of King Solomon?

If you can answer these questions sincerely, then relate it to the Quranic verse(s) that called the sons of Jacob/Israel asbati (tribes/nations).


I will come back for you later. You too, Davidylan. And please don't forget the experiment of sunsetting on water. Its some1 hour and 50 minutes or so before the sun sets. Go to lake Eerie or some park to see what am taliking about. It will be nice to see people about the park in your neck of the woods.

Then it is safe to write your user name as Qolitos007, then? From now on, when I write Qolitos007, you should not say that I have bastardised your name. And you should tell everyone that I got the go ahead from you, since K is actually good as Q in Quran. Q must be good as K i Kolitos007, as well.

I am not a muppet afterall. Would you say? A muppet is a string controlled or a thing that does not control himself, because somebody else is doing the controlling. It is not everything that I read that I accept, without personal verification, when it is possible. For example, when some people postulated that black people are lessthan human, a person like you might have agreed, since it would have been in the most enlightened infrmation source(s) of its time. Something like the internet or dictionary, which had refered me. We see that that is not the case today, at least that Mr. Barackallah Hussaine Obama is the leared of the "free world."

And by the way Igbo people will not appreciate it if you write Egbo. And the Hausas will be upset if you call then Ausa. Definitely the Yorubas will not ike if if you say that they are Oruba! You see how wrong you could be when you refuse to accept correction?




Allah is Merciful. The one with the biggest noise about Koran instead of Quran, the proper name, happens to have K, the disputing alphabet as the start of his user name. I got you. And you know it.

@ Tudor: You must beside yourself in denial. You asked if not telling the truth is lying? Yes it is my man. If when you arrived in Seychelles you find the conditions of its people, culture, etc exactly from where you came from (am assumng that you are from a different place; say 9ja for the sake of argument), am pretty sure then that it would have been a waste of the cost of your flight tickets, at least to replace your Nigerian conditions with another but only new Nigerian Conditions. Wouldnt it?

Except that Seychelles is not exactly like Nigeria. You remain there because you see some advantage(s) in your being there. You know those advantages. For you to accuse the prophet (AS) as a pedophille, is based on your lack of morals. My father was old enough to be my mother's father. In you eye that will constitute to pedophilia!

Today Michael Douglas is married to his british born artress, Catherine Cider Jones, with an age difference amounting to father and daughter. She is what people call "Kitten," in her relationship. I have news for you: I will never marry a woman in my age range. I want person who is young enough that can pass for my daughter. I want children and no woman in my age can give me any without being bedridden, or some great threat to her health! Call me a pedophilia by my taste. In any society, my relationship is legal. Your warped judgement is very irrelevant. So I just shrug it off from by body!

The same condition applied to Muhammad (AS) and Aisha (RA). While her father was like BillGate of Makka and indeed Arabs, is there a reason except that it is acceptable and devinely so that such a relationship existed? She was not from a poor family nor without societal recognization. Anyway, na you sabi. But don't Yamutu yourself on this matter, you hear?

Everyone have their own cultural conditions. The Pigmis of Congo have a different yardstick of what is adult that is very different from that of Igbo tribe of Nigeria. Is a 30 year old woman seen in the light in both societies? No! In the ol USA, you have some 30 year olf grand mother and also grand father! Are you going to attack them, too? Please keep the words of advise minimal. We know you don't believe in God. Your atheist advise will definitely fall on deaf ears of the people who believe in God!


@JJYOU « #22 on: Today at 02:36:50 PM »  
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you dont expect me to support u on a polygamy do you?.  islam is preading accordingg to who?.  so is crhistianity growing in the moslem dominatted world[/quote]Noone is asking your permission or expecting your blessing. You are irrelevant. If you are just talking and you are satisfied we that, we will leave you alone to your idle talk. I for one dont give a hoot if you do or dont support polygamy. If I were young enough and I didnt have my share of wives (Osisi, I do have spouses, not just women), and I see somebody good enough in your family, I will ask her for marriage. Her acceptance of rejection will not precipitate on your opinion, if she is an independent woman.

And the spread of islam is undeniable. You just have to even visit my old stomping ground; West Virginia. It would have been a fantasy only in my days to think that a Mosque will exist there! I guess no one can keep a good thing down forever!

Quit arguing blindly man. No one says that some people will not leave islam for another thing including Christianity. If they wish to worship three gods; Jesus, Ghost and Father Gods by joining you, so be it. Hellfire is greedy. It will take people from Makka, madina and elsewhere.


@noetic2 « #23 on: Today at 02:41:24 PM »  
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By calling a faith demonic, all he has done is to express an opinion. There is something called freedom of speech. That explains why u, babs787, fellis, oyb and abuzuola go to the religion section and state blasphemous opinions. No one has crucified u for that.

No one has ever called u immature or stupid because of that. If u think islam is not demonic, it is up to u to logically state ur case.[/quote]Opinion should not be lies. Freedom of speech also have restrictions: speak the truth and don't blatantly. When you are called out about your lies stop repeating it. Otherwise, you will just be like Dick Cheney lying about Saddam Hussaine and 911. It that what you want your legacy to be, man?
And what is blaphemous about saying that you serve 3 gods; Jesus, Ghost and Father Gods, or that there is no Trinity in the pages of the Bible, that the Bible is not 100% word of God, since ws can show you what Pau said, from this word of God, and that Jesus said that he is not God, and that we used the Quran to indicate that Jesus was not killed and was not crucified? These are facts man. Afterall, today, there are manyassumed dead that even fool Medical Doctors and Medicine as a whole, and they suddenly get up and walk. Are these people now Gods?

And when the muslims seek the safety of God from the accursed/condemned demon, is that not enough that there is nothing demonic in Islam? Do you seek safety in Yahweh, Jehovah, Eloi, from your lord Jesus? (First proof that Jesus and Yahweh, Jehovah, Eloi are not the same). If your answer is no, it is because you are at least not running away from Jesus, and in your religion he is God!

Do you seek safety of Yahweh, Jehovah, Eloi against the Holy Ghost? (A proof that thy are not the same, and that makes the third). If your answer is no. The reason is the same as in the Jesus scenerio, above.

I wonder if you seek the safety of Jesus or Holy Ghost against Jehovah, Yahweh Eloi? (A proof that these three entities are not the same). If your answer is no, then I asked you if your reason is not the same as the first and the second scenerios, above?

Now I ask you do you seek the safety of one of these; Eloi (Jehovah, Yahweh), Jesus and Holy Ghost, against the demon/devil/satan? Is the demon accursed or not? If you say yes to the two situations, then I asked you why you do so, iexcept that you do not want him? If you don't want him, and you have no established instruction from your Bible to say anything in order to protect yourself, how then do you think the Muslims who have a verse instructing them to never consider the devil/demon/satan good would be worshipping him? Are you therefore not just shamelessly lying against islam and Muslims?



@Tudoor (m) « #24 on: Today at 02:46:44 PM »  

Noetic Please tell am oo. Hypocrites!

Noetic has nothing tangible to say, except his usual; this is nonsense. How is this relevant! I have not such a man on Nairaland, until his arrival. Havila was a man who will at least yield to some common sense. Noetic took freedom of speech to a ridiculous level, where it becomes a norm to lie without batting an eye.



@kolitos007 « #25 on: Today at 02:48:06 PM »  

OMG!!! The topic based on religion just makes me sick, war and problems around the world are all based around religion. Both the bible and the koran have been written by man.

I don't know why you are all killing yourself over this, shouldn't you be thinking how you can make the country better, what a load of plonkers!!!

Whats a plonker, man? And oh, its Quran. Not Koran. There is world of diffrence between K and Q!


@Tudor: Who spoke the truth; Noetic? You must be still asleep.

@Noetic2: I didn't know there was a question that I docked? Could you please lay it out for me? If you didn't read my response to you about few of his quality that I listed, then go back and read it. Its in there. I only listed a few. But I said to you, to provide me a specific area you want me to expanciate on. I finally said that Allah Alone is Sufficient as Witness for the Highest of Level that Muhammad (AS) sits/occupied.

Let me ask you, are you expecting that there is a part of him that disagrees with my morality? None is my answer. If you know me, you will know that Islam have tamed me. I look up to Muhammad (AS) foremost for my spirituality, etc. I wishedI had discovered Islam and Muhammad (AS) earlier in my life. Yet I was always a Muslim.

But I will wait for your specific request so that I know where you are heading. Thanks. I mean it from my heart.

@Savanah: « #16 on: Today at 05:14:49 AM »  

Quote from: Abuzola on Today at 01:13:05 AM
There is no single verse where jesus mentioned christianity but he advised his disciples to hold on to islam in d bible
What book, chapter and verse of the bible?

You shoud have at least first show us from the pages of the Bible, where Jesus recommended Chrsitianity. Just like Moses didn't recommend Judaism, for sure Jesus didn't recommend, Judaism and Christianity. If you can show us otherwise, then shout at the top of your lung that we show you Islam which Jesus recommend in the pages of the Bible! We've always stated that we know the truth that still remain in the Bible from the messy lies of say Paul, and his companions.

yeswecan
The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)

The Christian carry the Jewish Books; Torah, Sabur and Injil, yet they missed that verse above. Proof; The abandoned even the Kosher food laws. The Christians eat pork, dont they? It Swine flue season, people. (I know that they say you can't get it from just eating pork. But dont you love the word association? I do).

« #17 on: Today at 12:25:40 PM »  Quote from: dexmond on Yesterday at 12:13:39 AM
A teaching on how to treat your enemies.
JESUS:
Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, pray for them which despitefully use you (Matthew 5:44).
Resist not evil (Matthew 5:39).
If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to them the other (Matthew 5:39).
If someone takes your coat, give them your shirt (Matthew 5:40).
If someone make you carry something one mile, carry it two (Matthew 5:41).
Forgive and you shall be forgiven (Matthew 6:14).
Judge not, that ye be not judged (Matthew 7:1).
Blessed are the peacemakers (Matthew 5:9).
Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy (Matthew 5:7).
Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not kill, but I say who ever is angry with his brother is in danger of the judgment (Matthew 5:21-22).
Treat others the same way you want them to treat you (Luke 6:27-36).
Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick, whatever you do to the very least you have done unto me (Matthew 25:40).

Easier said than done! Why? It is not natural. You forced something on you, you have not been able to practice a single one of them! I said its unnatural. The Yorubas have a saying; The most patient person may run out of patience and get angry, when an offense goes beyond the limit. (ko si eni a shee maa binu). Alhamdulillah, Muhammad and Jesus, at least from the conscience of the Muslims are not in competition. I will not be surprise to find out that you are also comparing Jesus to Moses, so that you can feel good about serving him. We do not serve mortals in Islam.

MUHAMMED:
Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101).
Be ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29).
Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123, 66:9).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9:29).
Strike off the heads of infidels in battle (Sura 47:4).
If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him (al-Bukhari 9:84:57).
Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
Never be a helper to the disbelievers (Sura 28:86).
Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191).
No Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel (al-Bukhari 1:3:111).
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land (Sura 5:33).
Who would you emulate?

If its on the pages of the Quran and authentic ahadith, I agree wholeheartedly. Even though I did not read your list above, I accept whatever is truly from Quran and from the lips and actions of Muhammad (AS). While you will find your Jesus qualities as listed to be difficult for you or anyone on earth to implement, I on the other hand, alone with Muslims and even non-Muslims can definitely practise showing anger to a justifiable limit when warranted. We are not always on the eye for an eye mode, and we never should overstep the limit of revenge. Forgiveness is preached over and above both full or partial revenge.

Finally, when I emulate Muhammad, I emulate all the goodness of each and every prophets before him. I will not emulate Jesus as about his not marrying, having a wife and children for example. By the way, he was no the only one who didnt marry. His cousin, John, didnt, too. And I have not see any of you hound dog of a man, who haven't upted out of thsi not marry, yet. The Catholic priest are the ones who are at least putting up a front, but we see that its only a show. Miami priest, now an escopalian church member and other homosexual cases and even secret sexual rendevous are all proofs of how unnatural it is. (I hope the catholics put their defense posts up to challenge me. I will unload by bazooka on them, in one continuous session!).

Islamic religion is demonic

And the muslims say "I seek refuge in Allah's protections against the "accursed" demon" every day! How demonic is the Islamic religion, really? Seriously? You enemy of truth have no leg to stand on. Big time Kufara you guys are. Not only that you deny truth. But you lie against truth!

Only God can judge me

You are correct. And that day, God Alone, shall be the JUDGE. No Jesus no nothing. Definitely not the 12 desciples/apostles judging anyone! Rethink your position before its too late for you young blood. I know you will say you have time. No one is guaranteed tomorrow. Yesterday was for sure. Today maybe. Tomorrow not so. Don't let your tomorrow arrive behind you and you on the wrong side.


@Lagosboy  « #18 on: Today at 12:42:27 PM »  

@yeswecan
From my discussions with you on the Foreign affairs board i could deduce your mindset but you have just sumed it all up. get yourself a life , stop preaching hate and face whatever religon you practice Judaism or christianity.  

You could call islam woteva u want but the truth remains Islam has the highest rate of conversion in the western world and dont give me the shit that it is because muslims have more children and more wives I have said CONVERSION. No matter all the negativity thousands of people became muslims in UK and US after 9/11. Yvonne Ridley even accepted islam after being released fromTaliban jail. US soldiers have become muslims, journalists, intelligence officers and so on . This is all due to the sincere and unbiased study of Islam. If you think those out of contexr verses you quoted is all islam is about   " all I will say is the optimist sees the doughnaut while the pessimist sees the hole".

Call it demonic or woteva u want it doesnt remove a strand of hair from the near 1.5 billion muslims  worlwide, it doesnt stop the many that will still convert today, it doesnt stop us from spreading the message of islam and it will not stop us from defending our faith.

May Allah accept all your goods and cancel all your bads. I pray for your success and that of all muslims, in this world and in the next. We also hope that our minimal effort here on Nairaland will stand to germinate good trees in the hearts of those who wish to serve the true God the Creator, rather than any creation. May the efforts be counted as part of our good deeds and override our bad deeds. Amin.


@Tudoor (m) « #19 on: Today at 01:10:50 PM »  

^^^ if you don't care so why is it bothering you?
1.5billion people can be wrong so shut it. It's just  brainwashing on a large scale. .

If it makes your heart beat regular, we cant stop you anyway. The only reason you are challenged is because you are passing lies as truth. At least, there is no single court of law that will accept your lies, if there is overwhelming evdence against you. I think you need to go for a walk. It may do you some good to reflect that there is truth and it is not always lies that must prevail.



@JJYOU  « #20 on: Today at 01:22:16 PM »  

lagosboy enjoy your propaganda while it lasts. i read this the other day  
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Underground Church Growing in Muslim-Dominated Indonesia[li][/li]

Lets just assume that it is the truth. Islam is also gaining ground, underground and overground everywhere. It is a well known fact, even in the "Wetsern Countries". There should not be any surprise. Some hearts wants to reject. Some hearts are accepting faith. Even $Osisi is arguing that some Middle Eastern Arab Muslims are converting out of Islam, accepting the "lord", according to her. Yet she, the woman (I am using Bill Clinton style now) knows that Islam has entered Igno land. Rightfully so. Even in her family. Her Uncle is a Muslim, rejecting Jesus of the Bible outright!

I think your hypothesis about hellfire for Muslims is shattered. Hence you can't let it go. You are truly a big time crusader, Pauline Christian soldier! Forward marching Christian soldier, marching to the war! Give it a rest, man. The boot must be as heavy as a lead shoe by now. No? Good Night, Noetic.

InshaAllah, I will tell what you his (AS) quality, in any aspect of his life you wish to know. I dreamt about him already. All aspects of his noble like attract me. The humanness of it, when it need be. And the spiritualness, when it is not even overwhelming. He was good son, nephew, cousin, master, friend. husband, father, leader and member of his community. He was a general's general, the best of mankind. Angels spoke about him. Animals complained to him when their owners mistreated them. He was a good listener and a great Comforter. He alleyed the fears in your heart and shared yoour concern.

Look I can just continue for the rest of my life to talk about him. The most important about him is that Allah Alone is Sufficient to serve as the Witness of his Hihgest of Level he occupies!


Allahumma selli ala seyhdina Muhammad wa ala alli sehidina Muhammad , fil Allamin, innaka amidun Majiid.

Oyb does not need that type of love. It is toxic, caustic and unhealthy. Give him the love of Islam; Salaam!

Oyb is successful.

@Bawomolo: Inheritance law you quipped. Let me ask you, what is the wages ratio of man to woman in Chicago? And before you answered without considering what Mrs Obama said the other time, I just want you to know that we in Islam do listen to the news!

How much wealth of the USA is in the hands of the women, who are actually by head counts, the clear majority? Look at the Congress, the Judiary and indeed the executive. Tel me how many women have ruled the USA? How many women senators? How my justice associates are women? And all along women are the majority.

When men and women go out, she expect you to pay! America and ineed the world have just handful of Ophra Winfreys! Your wife wants you to pay, even if she makes mucho mucho dineros!

Now, every female in your household/bloodline expects you to make her feel like a woman. So a man must at least be bouyant enough to actuallly play the part when necessary. Allah in His Mercy knows the inner feelings of His creatures. So when a man makes a woman feel happy, she will show love and satisfaction and contentment. Part of seduction is kindness to a woman.

Seduction does not have to be sexual. Making a woman happy is seduction to me. You make her feel secure that you are in her life. Islam teaches us to display that to all our women; show goodliness. This is one of the reasons that Allah the Creator provides a greater portion from the inheritance to men than women.

While the woman will still enjoy the generousity of the male siblings, Uncles, etc, she also have the husband's generousity, as being there for her through his obligation. What does the man have? What he has and not more.

There are men who will not allow a woman to be responsible for them, regardless of her wealth and his lack of the same wealth as her. Its called gender conditioning. Not too many women will refuse a goodly treatment from man. Infact she expects it. Inshort, while you think you are exposing Islam, Bawomolo, you are actually giving us the opportunity to showcase the uniqueness of Islam. It is the first religion that put women and men on equal footing on everything. Women are not shortchanged at all.

@Davidylan: Three offices? Haa! Your consistency is for those who are weak and ignorant. Ask yourself; can you as a scientist be fully be in the same places together, all at the same time? Like being in your bedroom, and then the living room and the bathroom? Even efficiency apartment do have a separate bathroom! What a joke. You make them your three gods in their offices sound like McCain and Palin. Yes they still need another Maverick to be able to have a three ring circus! Omo boy, did you perform the assigned sunsetting on the water surface experiment yet? Pele Omo Obanta. Aajo jowo. Owo alae eju noo o! Ema wuule.

Now, Sango, and co are man made. You could go to where some clown says shango is, and cut down the darn stick/tree and break the stone. You can go to Osun or whatever and do some fishing. If you fish out mammy water, make her halal, if she is pretty. If she is not then throw her back vandekamp fish sticks.

Listen, if you dont know how to control Mammy water, contact the closest islamic center. Somebody will help you. Or check out the exorcism thread. By the way, what happened to Funmilayo? I hope she is fine.

I put apostates in quotation, simple because it encompasses, all kind of people who embrassed Islam and came out of it; temporarily or permantly. Temporarily will be the proof of the verse in the Quran that says; those who belief and then disbelief, and belief again,
Permanently will be the proof of the verse in the Quran that says: there is no compulsion in religion,

I hope you know that there were munafiqun (hypocrates) who remained in Islam, till the end of the life of the prophet (AS). And even after his death they did not leave Islam. They died as muslims, except that Allah had revealed to His Messenger before hand who those people are. And the messenger had chosen an ordinary man, as the trustee of that information. The man's absence in the funeral prayer of each of the 10 hypocrites was the confirmation of their hypocracy. The fact that this man outlivedthose ten hypocrites was itself a miracle of Muhammad (AS)

Now, if just leaving Islam was a reason enough to kill "apostates" then, when Islam conquered Makka, those who had accepted Islam and left it because of the fact that they could not believe the Isra wa Miraj events, would have been killed. Wouldnt it be so? If just leaving Islam was the single reason for killing apostates, then when Islam dominated the middle east and its corridor, Ethiopia, those initial emigre who became Christian in Abasha, would have been killed. Or dont you think so?

I am sure you will not be satisfied, because you have been sold a bill of goods! You are not deceived in matters that is natural for man. But you are deceived about 3 gods to be one god! Dr. How many fingers do you see? And nobody has to study Calculus to know that three can never be 1, unless each is a fraction! Or are your gods, fractions of a single unit, 1? Before long some of you will be demostrating the 3 in One by a Apple pie, forgetting that the crust may break. And maybe a part may be just be flakier, or juicier than the other. You feel me, sis? LOL.

Did you intentionally not read my earlier entry about your blood sister may just upset you enough, because she goes against your expections of her. If that is possible that you can do that to your blood sister, then know that Islam has its own code. And when anyone cross the line, thereis consequences, too.

And by the way, am not an Angel. The more reason I ask for forgiveness of my sins.

While you state that your god is three, Islam says Allah is a Single Lord, Complete in every way of His Godship! This is cosistent with the God of all the prophets and that of Jesus. I mean the Jesus worshipped, etc and finally cried out calling Him Eloi from the cross! I bet it should dawn on you by now, that Jesus didn't say Aba (father) or Holy ghost whom you said mounted/over shadowed his mother mary,or jehovah or Yahweh!

At the same time, while you are claiming a god and his son, Allah declares in mary verses and finally the 112 Chapter that there is no parents or baby by Allah. You should now rest your effort about your chaotic cries about three daughters. Aint nothing like in the Quran. Maybe you are dreaming it up!

Then you now jump like a wild fire in the prerie about a moon god as Allah! wow, you this dude dont get tired, heh? But it is interesting that Allah says about the moon that it is broken, and borrows light. Will you say that you are turn assunder/broken and a borrower of light, to describe yourself? Does it make sense to demean yourself? Oh I forgot, the moon is only to calculate seasn and months, too. You know the days of full moon, the month is in the mid way. You know the new moon as the satrt of a new month. Thats how we know about Ramadan and Hajj season and the new year, etc.

Give it up man. Regardless of how you try, you will be defeated by logicall, easy to see and understand arguments. I saw a thread struggling to define Trinity. I read one about the three leaves that makeup a shamrock leaf. I laughed and wonder if these people consider that the three leaves may be turn, or one falls off, or one is deformed. Then what happens to the idea of the Trinity? Must it not suffer the same fate as the leaf?

You Christians are so gullible, its sickening! And here you are saying Allah is now moon god? Before some of you argued it is satanic, when every time a person begins recitatin, he curses satan first! A person who curses satan will not be from it. no? What about you who embrasses it wholeheartedly? You never curse it, or do you? I will like to see where it is written and how you do it!

@debosky: I read through your Biblical verses, posted above. I find not a single correlation between the "he is telling the in essence that the Kingdom of God will not begin right away" and the story of the king who concluded "that his enemies should be slain before him!" Do you see a possible connection between the two diverse issues? If you do, please point it out, as soon as you can.

If not you should ask yourself that same question that I asked myself: Why would a man illustrate a "judgement day" with "killing by slaying" and he is a none iotent man, you think?

You think he instructed his followers to buy sword for fancy decoration of their almost nude body, too? A man who asked that people sell their last article of clothing and purchase swords instead did not mean peace, but has declared war! You hear me, man? Please don't make me laugh. Its Thursday morning yet.

$Osisi: Your singular question was answered many times over. What else do you want woman? Let me help you for the last time: Imagine a situation that will be so horrible that the christian Norway will stop their being docile and execute the person who brought about the situation. Imagine that, because just a possibility of threat will agitate the Ol USA to preemptive strike.

Now it is the same situation that has occurred with the Jewish hypocritical revert, who then converted back to his Judaism. Details: He did not just convert back to his Jewish religion. He began to go about malign Islam, by lying. He was called out on it. He would not stop.

What do you expect to happen, except to make an example of him, after due process of islamic Jurisprudence! Osisi, now think for a moment, is there a a possible reason you will turn out your younger sister out of your house? Yes, there is a reason, which you outlined in your post in the romantic section. Now imagine that reason.

If it does happen that your sister (same blood) cross that line you set, and you turn her out, as you said, somebody who does not know what happened and your feeling about it, may blame you that you are a horrible person. But you do know the person is ignorant. There is a limit to human endurance, I say. There is nothing like giving up the other cheek. Thats fantasy, In your statement, you already said that if your sister crossed the line, there is no chance for 2nd cheek.

And you put those words down without knowing that they will be used to derail your hype against Islam. I think you like the attention you get from the muslims. Keep it up! We will eat into your heart with knowledge that is humanly possible, unlike the confusionist type that you are used to. Islam is ready for you. When will you be ready for Islam? Your type is the Umar bin Khattab of our day.

@Dexmond: Seriously; there is no "infidel" as a word in Quran. But there is "infidel" as a word in Timothy, a book in the Bible!

And as what Jesus said, as listed in your post above, none of them is doable. You Dexmond can't do any of them and you know it! No christian have done a single one of them. Its all a pipe dream. So dream on, bloke.

No one will allow a big mother (big strong man) to slap him deaf and foolishly turn the other cheek. Thats what your Bible said, aint it? Smart people do the scooby doo out of there!

No one will give his/her last cloth to anyone. He/she will be nude in the buff, like a jail bird before he gets the jumpers! You guys lie too much. Whats so surprising is that you have no shame about lying!

As to Prophet Muhammad (AS) and the Quran, I see what is natural and has been the condition of humans, throughout history. But what you also blindly and ignorantly omit is the forgiveness! Muslim is permitted to take revenge. But not to overdue it. An eye for an eye, like Moses. It is not all the time, because you are permitted to forgive, completely without any revenge. Open your heart to knowledge man. Don't be like the Donkey. Or the Ostrich with the head buried in the sand!

@JJYOU: THe Mujahadeen weakened USSR, through their resistance in the 80s and early 90s war in the rugged Afghanistan. The USA couldnot have been able to overcome USSR by ecomonic warfare alone. Mujahadden fi  sebili (Fi sebili LLah) is a great thing. Unlike you who will become a female  when you see way. What a mousy conviction you Christians have! You are no worshipper of any real God! Heck you refuse to obey even Jesus. Instead you are obeying Paul and the gang, who hijacked the instructions of Jesus.

@debosky: Whats laughable about me pointing out what Jesus said and you termed it Parable? Fine, if that was Parable how do you not consider the bride looking for lamp oil Parable, too? You can have it your way, is what am saying. Incidentally, those brides/women would be Christians, wouldn't they? But even as they waited for the Bridegroom, Jesus, she did not show mercy on those who did not have enough or no oil in their lamps! This is the religion that you say is merciful? Haaa! (LOL).

Debosky (I think its Debo, right?), don't humor me with your reading in context gimmick. I know the drill and i can see through you. Why dont you read in context for me the following two verses because I want the whole world to see how nobly honest you are?

Deutoronomy 6 verse 4; Here ye Oh Israel, your Lord and God is One Lord!

Mark 12 erse 29:Hear ye Oh Israel, yur Lord and God is One Lord!

Can the two verses be different? Can the one of the Speakers be higher in rank than the other? If it is possible, why would the speaker repeat the same thing that the lesser one said, in answering the exact or similar question?

Let me take to task for a moment. If it was the Father that was answering the question, will He respond the same way? Wouldn't He say Hear Oh Isreal, I am your Lorda nd God and I am One Lord? What if it is the Holy ghost? Now, I am sure that according to your Bible, Father God was asked many Questions by Moses, who spoke to Him. I am sure that you also know that since yo claim that the Holy Spirit has come and it was the another comforter that Jesus spoke about, he must have answered may qusetions, since his function/responsibility was to "teach", among others. And in teachig, the students ask "Questions." NO? Now tell me what i don't already know, debosky.

@Noetic: Do you even read your Bible? Jesus said with his own mouth that they should bring some people before him and slay them. You guys call it Parable. That it was not refering to Jesus. But in other situations like the Bridal group with lamps awaiting their groom, you will turn around and say it is Jesus that was the groom. The same Jesus who never was married!

If parable is for Jesus or not, you guys must be constitent! You can choose one, not one this time and the other at another time. Thats called trickery! You can trick all the people sometimes, but you can fool all the people all the time!

And by the way, the spanish inquisition demostrated how demonic Christianity is. On one hand they say they belief. On the other hand their actions belied their statement. The Spanish inquisition went all the way to the top; the Pope. And no Protestant protested against it. You protestant, if thats what you are is guilty by complacancy!

Only Allah alone knows how much you guys deviated from the path. I am certain that you completely missed the road! While the Christians of Spain in their delution said convert or die, many died and many converted. That included the Jews.

By the way, you know there is a verse in your book of Revelation that says Jesus will come back and under him it is convert or die, for the for the Jews? I hope you are not ignorant of that verse? Maybe, you are. Maybe you are from your head in the sand syndrome that I see you practice!

And I do not have to witness the many wars waged against Islam to see injustice from the Christians. The 1st gulf war had some armaments with chalk writing: Say hello to your Allah, or something like now you are getting your 72 (I wonder where they got 72) virgins. This current war in Iraq have seen its own share of rapes and killing of many by the Christian Invaders. I wonder if they raped them because they are just women, or because they are muslims and they are weak? But the women who were raped and killed did not display their charms. These women were covered! Yet the disbelievers still find ways to get to them!

Hijab and Kimar meant nothing to their evil minds! Noetic, what do you say to that man? I hope you will not wont that for any woman. Right? I was certain that there were injustices like that in the ill conceived and ill prosecuted Nigerian civil war. But imagine travelling all the way from America to Iraq, on a lie to kill and displaced so many lives? Christianity is a religion that preaches turning the other cheek and forgiveness of your enemies! Liar like Pinocchio. Your wooden nose haven't started growing with every denial you made. Maradona; thats what they call people who never speak the truth? You are one, man.

@Davidylan: I have to do other things too, David. There are other aspects to my life than Nairaland! But then, as I read your daring me to expose your eligion for what it is, I cant but remember how I lote the spanish inquisition stories. So I just went on a google search for it. I am sure you use google for all your religious arguments. NO? Enjoy.

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Do your own research and don't be emotional about it! I am sure you will before you die know Christianity for what it is. There is nothing natural about it. It is completely unbelieveable. You cant have a legislation that is impossible for man to carry out being imposed on mankind. Afterall, the King you are anmed after, King David fought wars as necessary! When appropriate, If his person was not good, your parents would not have named you after him. Afterall, they didnt call you Judas Iscariot, No? And you in all your loving Jesus have not seen fit to change your name to Jesus! Finally, nothing Jesus said that you have done, yet. Like his turning the other cheek will be an impossibility for you in Rochester. NO? Of course. Your enemy is a person who comes to your home, and at gunpoint wants all your hard earned cash and wants your wife, too. I wanna see how much love you have for that sucker, whe you are looking straight into the barrel of his gun.

@Zainababy: « #7 on: Today at 10:52:56 AM »

"THEREFORE LET ALL THE HOUSE OF ISREAL KNOW ASSUREDLY THAT GOD HAS MADE THIS JESUS WHOM YOU CRUCIFIED, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST" ( ACTS 2 VS 36 )

"Has made" is an after the event of crucifixion. One would have to ask, since this is a statement from "acts", how the speaker came up with it? But never the less, the house of Israel's will was accepted while the will of Jesus of the Bible was rejected. Think about that for a moment. This is the only reason the "Jews" were able to get him. Afterall it was recorded in the Bible that he prayed against being killed as he asked that the cup be taking off from his head! He prayed to "God". God's will prevailed. God did not accept his prayer. Now Zainababy, who is in authority between God and Jesus, if youmake your decision from the act 2 verse 36? Definitely not Jesus, because God just made him lord and christ, by your statement. Before then he was not even christ!

" THIS IS THE STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED BY YOU BUILDERS, WHICH BECOME THE CHIEF CORNER STONE" ( ACTS 4 VS 11)

Zainababy, is Zainab your name? If it is, since you are not a Muslim anymore, please change it to say Virginia or Veronica! Zainab is from Muhammad (AS), whom you do not want to hear anything about. For example, if I was named Paul, I would have, upon acceptig Islam changed it to something Islamic. But definitely would not remain a moment as Paul. People legally change their names. Do it, because Zainab is a beautiful name and no disbelieving heart should bear it!

Again, your act verse is like the lies of Dick Cheney; he repeated it often enough that he himself began to believe! You are suckered in to believing a lie. Yet you did not see fit to leave Islamic name, Zainab alone.Jesus has not be acepted or the cornerstone of the Jewish people to this day! Go to a Jewish community, anywhere on earth! Israel is a glearing example! Brookly is one or Lower east side in the days, now upper east side of Manhattan! Continue to believe in a lie Zainababy. The day of decisison is fast approaching. The neon lights of the Churches in Nigeria have blinded you. There is nothing to it, except emptiness and pardition, you hear me?

" NOR IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER, FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED" ( ACTS 4 VS 12)

Noah came and it was apparent that thosewho were in the ship with him were saved. Ibrahim did not do badly either, since he is known as Friend of God. All of you disbelievers always want to associate your religions; Judaism and Christianity with his name! What a load of crock! If you believe he was not a path to salvation, why not leave his name alone, hypocritical souls? Moses saved his people, from Pharaoh, and from being perished after they have made for themselves a gold calf as their idol (its like the virgin Mary statue of the Catholics, and the crucibles and crosses of the christian faiths), and from starvation and hunger and thirst! To have considered all of these men to be unworthy of being a means of safety for their devoted followers in the Eye of God, is shear nonsensical. Jesus of the Bible could not even save his own skin as we read that he was hooked up on the wooden cross. You must be joking if you depend on him to save you as you are to him a pagan, who disobeyed him in every which way, including calling him a deity!

Your mere involvement in an organization that you coined out of his name taking it as a religion or way or relationship, is not enough. You have started from the wrong premise! Go back to the foundamentals; you will have to reject Christianity, if you truly obey Jesus. Your case is like the case of the Jews who rejected Jesus and still continue to clamor to Moses. The time of Moses was gone when Jesus arrived. The time of Jesus was gone when Muhammad (AS) arrived. Duuh!

" I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME" ( JOHN 14 VS 6 )

The fact that Jesus made such a statement shows tahat he did not know the future. Proof; He was asked about the time of the hour. His reply was that he does not know it, and the Sole Knower is Eloi, alone. (not Yahweh, not Jehovah, not Aba. YOu need to swallow the bitter truth). It was after that the Creator Himself raised the last elect, as a messenger to all mankind from the most unlikely place; Makka al Munawarra. The man was Muhammad (AS). Allah called him "Rasul, Muzzammil, Mudathir, Ahmad, Anabiyu." He is Mustapha and many other names. And its been over 1400 years and no man has come with a noble message, overcoming any other messages, including Islam! Christianity has close to 600 years head start, and see the many bruises it has suffered. For sure, in 600 years or less, InshaAllah, Islam will leave Christianity in the dust. The same way Judaism is in the dust, now. Allah says this in His Quran, which He has personally guaranteed to protect. This is the difference between it and the Bible, which Allah did not guarantee its continued purity. No wonder Paul and his crew were able to put their two cents in it. Come to think of it, Douwy Catholic Bible is fuller than the Protestants! Why? Discuss this among yourself, Christians!

let them who have ear hear and take heed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take your own advise. If you want to die as a Christian, please take off Islamic identity. Live your life to the fullest as a Christian. But no Islamic tag, please. People like you are hypocritical, at best.

@$Osisi: I am ot even from a conservative Muslim home. My mother was a Christian for over 70 years before she reverted to Islam. She is now in her 80s. And not once did I considered Christianity for myself. And it is common knowledge at least in africa that mothers raise children. My mother raised me and later in life, I raised her to Islam! Alhamdulillah.

My Original Igbo woman from Owerri is now Muslim with her 6ft frame! Ali Isong from Calabar is Muslim in Brooklyn. You want more; Osis, open your eyes and look around Houston, Texas! You see home grown yanks; blacks and all the way to whites. Its in there. Its Ragu Spagetti sauce, baby.

In New York, California, Massachussetts, Nevada, New Jersey and even my old stomping ground; wild and wonderful West Virginia (Who is afraid of Virginia Wolf?), and others, Trinidad and Tobago, etc, England, Ireland, Scotland, etc, people are trooping in into Islam! And you know I told you long time ago that Islam will overrun Igbo land. Like it or not. If you dont, InshaAllah it will mull you over in its path. Its like an avalanche. No bigger, its like a glacier flow; it rolls the biggest boulders like "dice!"

I have also encouraged you to try putting on Hijab and kimar and see how sensuous it will make you. Ask oga when you do it.

While you have to span the globe like Jim MacCain of ABC Wild World of Sports, to get a handful of rejecters of truth, all you have to do is to go to the Gallarias of Texas; I am talking about the residential areas, you will find muslims in their uppitty homes. Islam allows wealth. But there is room for not so wealthy people, too. Islam does not snob, and there is no need to have your nose in the sky, since you have to stand shouder to shoulder anyway!

You better come to Islam, before its too late. Others and I have warned you enough. Hell fire is no joke. Just see how much you suffer in the sweltering heat of Houston Summer months? You can escape into the abode and turn on the air conditioner. That type of opportunity is not available in Hell.

David and Noetic2; You too. You hear!

And Eloi, Eloi, does not in no way remotely resemble; Aba, aba! If he was a son, I wonder why he did not say father, instead of saying God, uh? And there is no where Yahweh or Jehovah could be taking to mean Eloi, or is there? You see, I am giving you guys to fish your way out. Maybe so that the whole world, or at least NL readers can just wonder if you were ever sincere in thoughts.

And it is true that Paul and his gang of writers were able to enter their own opinions in the Bible; NT in our discussion. This allowance is a proof in itself that the Bible is a means of leading astray those whose hearts will not accept truth, regardless. It is a good thing that some of you agreed that Paul has a hand in your Bible. This is why the Bible is no more authentic and deemed corrupt. Allah did not reveal the Bible. Allah revealed Torah, Psalm, Gospel. You made up Bible from part of them, while parts of the Bible are from your leaders; your idols without you saying they are your idols. But your actions and reverence of them let us know where your hearts are.

And Allah will not destroy a people until He allows arrogance in their hearts. The arrogance will increase and people will adopt it, until it becomes the norm. Who can then defend you against your Creator? Jesus can't defend himself against a rag tag mobs with nothing to arrest and prosecte him with, except their shear population/number! You copy the prosecutors of your god to a "T". Your advantage is no more than your number, but you have no substance!

Osisi, go to Igbo land and see how Islam is eating it up. Sooner or later (hope its sooner), catholic faith will dwindle down to nothingness in that tribe. Ndo.

Sirah Muhammad (AS) is like the Gospel. Many people wrote them. There are some writers who write some lies in them. Thats what you have in the Ibn ishaq version of the Sirah (life History/story).

Crane or whatever bird is not what is common and known to the people of the deserts. Animals in the deserts are always small compared to their non desert kind. If you have ever seen a desert lion (and they do exist, Davidylan), they are noticeable smaller than what you will find in the Serrengeti! Therefore it is not possible that such an unknown birds will be introduced to a makkan. Afterall, in Surah the Elephant, a bird, so small was mentioned. Whoever went to Hajj will see those birds, and there is no high flying big bird (crane) in sight.

By the way al manat, al uzza and al lat are arab idols. Two were part of the 360 idols stationed in Kaaba by the pagans. I dont know how they could be all of a sudden be refered to as flying "birds" when they are easily seen as nothing but carved out or clayed out idols!

And below are verses from Surah Najm (The Star). I want you to tell me how idols in Kaaba and the visinity becomes a suddenly high flying birds?


53:2 Muhsin Khan: Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred.
53:3 Muhsin Khan: Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
53:4 Muhsin Khan: It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.
53:5 Muhsin Khan: He has been taught (this Quran) by one mighty in power [Jibrael (Gabriel)].
53:6 Muhsin Khan: Dhu Mirrah (free from any defect in body and mind), Fastawa [then he (Jibrael - Gabriel) rose and became stable]. [Tafsir At-Tabari].
53:7 Muhsin Khan: While he [Jibrael (Gabriel)] was in the highest part of the horizon,
53:8 Muhsin Khan: Then he [Jibrael (Gabriel)] approached and came closer,
53:9 Muhsin Khan: And was at a distance of two bows' length or (even) nearer,
53:10 Muhsin Khan:.So did (Allah) convey the Inspiration to His slave [Muhammad SAW] through Jibrael (Gabriel )
53:11 Muhsin Khan: The (Prophet's) heart lied not (in seeing) what he (Muhammad SAW) saw.
53:12 Muhsin Khan: Will you then dispute with him (Muhammad SAW) about what he saw [during the Mi'raj: (Ascent of the Prophet SAW over the seven heavens)].
53:13 Muhsin Khan: And indeed he (Muhammad SAW) saw him [Jibrael (Gabriel)] at a second descent (i.e. another time).
53:14 Muhsin Khan: Near Sidrat-ul-Muntaha [lote-tree of the utmost boundary (beyond which none can pass)],
53:15 Muhsin Khan: Near it is the Paradise of Abode.
53:16 Muhsin Khan: When that covered the lote-tree which did cover it!
53:17 Muhsin Khan: The sight (of Prophet Muhammad SAW) turned not aside (right or left), nor it transgressed beyond (the) limit (ordained for it).
53:18 Muhsin Khan: Indeed he (Muhammad SAW) did see, of the Greatest Signs, of his Lord (Allah).
53:19 Muhsin Khan: Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs).
53:20 Muhsin Khan: And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?
53:21 Muhsin Khan: Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
53:22 Muhsin Khan: That indeed is a division most unfair!
53:23 Muhsin Khan: They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!
53:24 Muhsin Khan: Or shall man have what he wishes?
53:25 Muhsin Khan: But to Allah belongs the last (Hereafter) and the first (the world).
53:26 Muhsin Khan: And there are many angels in the heavens, whose intercession will avail nothing except after Allah has given leave for whom He wills and pleases.
53:27 Muhsin Khan: Verily, those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.
53:28 Muhsin Khan: While they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth.

dexmond; you have only guessed and guessing is not the truth. Anyone who reads the above verses, will know that all you have to do is to visualise the verses. It is self explanatory. Muhammad (AS) is not insane or abnormal. He spoke only the truth as he was commanded. Allah spported him by Malaika Jibril. Jibril is a mighty Angel. The three idols are nothing but solid idols, not flying birds as you have suggested! They arab pagans named them femine names and called them out of ignorance daughters of Allah, the same way you christians call Jesus son of God! Women are deemed beautiful far more than men, snd this is the reason that the pagans called idols, intercessors beteween them and Allag the Creator females/daughters! Allah rebuked them for their conclusons.

Let just assume that you are right, it is a fair question. What happens in the case of jesus, a god that the devil was able to run over in at least three instances? Should we trust anything that comes from his mouth, parables or not? In america, there is something called three strikes you are out. That is in the Baseball. Now it is the order of the day in the courts; three confictions, you are in for life!

In the case of Muhammad; if there is any abrogation, what is abrogated is still kept intact in the Quran. Read the Quran and see how wrong you are. There is no possibility for the devil to have control over Muhammad or any prophet (Isa Bin Mariam, AS included). Allah chos eHis elects and Personally protected them. Note that Muhammad's heart was filled with beliefs throughout his lifetime. Angels and indeed Jibril was always around him.

It is the same Muhammad that Allah sent for and was granted the most fantastic journey of all; Isra wa Miraj (in just a portion of a night). Was this incident of bowing down because of the devil before revelation or after? Was it before Isra wa Miraj or after? I am sure that Allah would not have allowed such an incident to occur with His Beloved (AS).

And just because a person has a middle eastern sounding name does not make him a muslim. And finally, ahadith are in gradations. We know fabricated ahadith and the weak one because for one, they always go against the nature of the Quran and indeed the essence of Islam! To have said that the beloved of Allah will bow down to satan, when He Allah is never asleep, never wary, never fatigued, etc, render your wicked suggestion laughable.

By the way Allah is not like your after six days of work I have to rest for a day god! A god who rests may have a prophet that may fall under the spell or control of the devil.

So what you are saying is that in the history of Christianit, no one has been killed for any reason. Correct?


If I can provide from the Bible, the injuction to kill by Jesus, then you are a liar. Right?

If I can provide from the History of mankind, since there is something known as Christianity, that a Christian have killed anyone, then you are a liar?

Do you agree, or is this one of your deny it and stick to denial whatever the case may be? I want you to set your own noose. Its very easy.

@$Osisi: David, if you wish you can participate. You too, Noetic. I expect chaotic answer from you.

My question to you is this; what condition will make Christianity kill anyone? see. I di not give you a long sermon. I need direct answer, please. Be generous in your entry. We want to know if there is any or no condition that will warrant any one losing his/her life as a Christian or not! Thanks.

Jinns are created for the same thing man is created for: worship Allah. Worship must be voluntary, so that those who will go to Paradise at least create avenue for receiving Mercy.Those who on the other hand refuse to worship in the right and chosen way, will be metered just deserved punishment in Hell.

Jinns are in as many religions that man have; Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduisn, etc and even Atheists. Every human have a jinn created with him.

Am pathetic I know. Olabowale is completely different from Olabs! There is no s anywhere in my name. You wanna give me a nickname, it should have simply be Ola, or something from my name. But no s should have to appear anywhere. I can accept the fake name from Osisi, its unacceptable from you, a yoruba man.

But then what do I expect, if I relate your thoughts with the below:

Deuteronomy 6:4
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Mark 12:29
29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

John 10: 30 "I and the Father are one."

Olabs, u are so pathetic. , , , what else have u got to say?

A casual look at the first 2 verses Deutronomy and Mark, will tell any logically thinking person that the two verses meant the same thing to the speaker(s). If One of the speaker therefore spoke the John verse that you presented, he is either deluded, deranged, retarted or some evil person had spoken it and completely lied it was from the speaker of Mark or Deutoronomy verse! Which one is it?

Is the Biblical Jesus a liar or is it the writer(s) of the Bible who lied? Among the Prophets that came from the loin of Jacob (Israel), none of them, according to the Israelites/Israelis is more successful than Moses, their LIBERATOR Prophet!

This man, Moses before leaving Pharaoh and his army in ruin, performed about 8 major miracles. He utterly destroyed Pharaoh and his super army at the sea. All the while, he used only a dead stick, worthy of any notice!

He made this stick became a big snake that ate snakes alive. This stick became a snake, three different times. The second time Pharaoh was about to run for his life, for if it is not his arrogance, he stayed.

After crossing the sea, Moses brought about food for his people, without them tilling any soil. He made water cush out of rocks, with each nation by tribe having its own separately. He spoke to God by hearing the Voice of the Almighty directly with his own ears. And in the process of shepharding his people, he at least temporarily stopped them from Idolatry by destroying the Golden Calf upon his return from a 40 nigtd and forty days seclusion, where he got the "Commandments" from his Lord. And before he died, he told his people to kill a cow and used portion from it to touch a dead man, who by this action will wake up and reveal his murderer! All of these happened by the hand of this noble man.

The jews knew who God was before Jesus came about. They told Moses that it was safer for him to tell them what God said, instead of chancing the possibility of hearing the Voice of God, as ordinary people without prophetic office or authority! You will think that such a God who is never been seen by mortar soul, will not suddenly drag Himself on the filthy level man, who are sinners with original sin, according to the Bible!

Jesus will have to be that God? What a way for your god to appear to man, through the birth canal of a woman, like every other child who came from the womb of the mother. Blood, the water breaking, after birth and placenta and cord, and all that "Jazz!"

You should be ashamed that your god sucked mother's breast for nourishment.

My illah, Allah the Almighty is far above what you associate with Him!

Niamatallah is the proper pronounciation. Niama (Is blessing; rainfall is a blessing. Good harvest is a blessing).
Risqah is the proper pronounciation instead of riskah (it is a form of blessing, too. Like a dentist's risq is through his dentistry)

@Davidylan: Didn't a king (Pharaoh) perished in the sea while the Children of Israel escaped, scottfree without a scratch, under Moses? It will be interesting to know that your salvarion patriachs, the Jews (yahuud) believe this. I am shocked that you disbelieve it.

Did Nebuchadezzar and the Assyrian kings ever suited up for battle? What will be the point of wearing the armor, except that you as a leader is raedy to fight. All good leaders lead by example. Captain of the ship, if he is a good captain is always the last to leave the ship!

The Bible by exodus 14:28 and Psalm 136:15 tells us that Pharaoh was at the sight of the theater of war, the sea where his force drowned. What the Bible lacked in comprehensive information, you will find in the Quran. It was not only said as a matter of filling up the pages. But the body of the tyrannical King is for all to see.

This is a miracle that Quran has and your Bible lacks. Another proof that the Quran does not rely on the Bible. The Revelation is from The Knower of All Things.

And the woman already named her child "Angela". Yet there are hindus in Pakistan. They were not killed. There are hindus in Bangladesh. They are not killed. Or why would one be killed and the others are not, if killing apostate is the rule in Islam?

A woman named her child Angela, and yet so many left Islam and still gling to their Muslim names. I wonder why? $Osisi, if I were to list all "supposed" atrocities of Christian Igbos or Amharri of Ethiopia against Muslims, would I be correct? At least it was a known fact that during Haile Sallaisse rules, the Christian authorities used to wager between themselves with whatever was in the belly of the pregnant Muslim woman! One will say its a boy. The other will say its a girl. And they will without any warning slash her belly open! And out comes the baby. Mother and baby losing their lives.

That happened in the 80s, still you know. It ended with the overthrow of the tyrannical monarch. This is Christianity for you, since it was under reported in the west, it was not an issue.

Afrikaan Dutch of South African used the Bible to oppress the total citizenry of South Africa. The last I check, there were Muslims among them. Just because Muslims did not cry foul shows the great convictions and the steadiness of their faith. Hootsie and Tootsie killed each other as Christians. While the big white Pastors and reverends were escaping the carnage leaving their worshippers to fend for themselves, without any quams about this callous behavior for a godly man, the Muslims were the far flung oasis of rescue that many Christians had! Go read about it or ask somebody who know better, without your biased underlinings.


People leave Noetic alone. His condition is so chaotic.

Human right watch: I think the people of DC need human right watch to ask why don't they have a single congressman in the US House of representative? My proof of the fact that those who have the power make the rulings of right and wrong!

Islam does not kill "apostates". Muhammad (AS) did not kill "apostates". Islam has One God, Allah. His Words are in the Quran (koran if you wanna be correct). There is One Qubla; Kaaba. There is one human authority; Muhammad (AS).  Everything and everyone else go these Sources for knowledge. If anyone provide a knowledge that has no footing/root in the two Sources, Quran and Sunnah, then when you find out the truth, from Quran and Sunnah, you must adopt it, and discard the thing that you already though is correct.

What is very interesting is that Quran is the Primary source. And Sunnah/Hadith is the secondary source. The secondary source will not disagree with the Primary source.

Now, we have answered $Osisi. Debosky we have satisfied your thirsty for brevity.

Wait and see. Watch the deceit coming soon from "you know who and the gang!"

And I have not posted, like clockwork, they confirmed my thought.

Mark 12 verse 29; Jesus saying that there is a God that he and his listeners serve or aught to be serving.

Deutronomy 6 Verse 4: An old timer, I am going just say that he is a prophet from the time before Jesus saying that there is a God that he and his listeners serve or aught to be serving.

If by leap of faith, the Christian says that Jesus is God, then by the same amount of leap of faith the Old Testament people will have to say that their Old Testament prophet who made this statement first is also a God.

I guess everyone is a god in the Bible. All you have to do is say and or do something supernatural! But every prophet has some of those, specific to him. Moses pathed a sea and while he saved his people, he drowned his enemies by it!

I wonder why the Old Testament people didn't say Moses or any prophet, including the one that Jesus copied his Deutoronomy statement in Mark was not called God?

But copying is plagiarism, ain't it? Whats so special about a god that is not original that he had to copy another earlier god? Is that god deserving of any worship?

Now before somebody accuses me of using a reverse process to defend Islam at the demise of Christianity, I will simply ask these: Is Christianity not an organized religion, practised by humans, and propagated against intended demise of others, including Islam? If all the answers are simply yes, it should not be surprising that I am applying what Christianity is qualified by to expose its many faults.

Its book is corrupt, since it opposes itself in mant ways; within New Testament, you find verses going against one another. And within the Bible Testaments, the OT is opposing the NT. There is no congruency in it, if we consider Mark 12:29 and Deutoronomy 6:4, as our example. Same exact sentence, spoken by two different people at different times. Could their be inconsitencies, if there is honesty in thoughts? If the earlier speaker is not God, can the later speaker be God? No!

If he were God, his statement would have definitely changed to indicate that he is theGod that the earlier speaker was referring to! In the same form that Judaism was organized after a tribe is the same way Christianity was organized after an individual. Should it not be possible that the two are artificial, and not mandated on humans by God?

But it is interesting to note that Judah, the son of Jacob was actually son of Israel, and could not have been a Jew by religion. He must have practiced the same religion as his father, his grandfather, his great grandfather Ibrahim (AS). (And Ibrahim was not a Jew or a Christian).

Jesus must not have been a Christian! The label Christian came after him. He was observed to prostrate his face in prayer at the garden. Not one time, but many times in one single day; at least evening at night and very early in the morning. No body says that his prayer time coincided with todays Muslims'. But for sure he submitted his will demostrated by his many prayers, supplications "Not as I will but as you will", to his Creator!

If thats not Islam, it is definitely not Christianity and for sure not Judaism. I know about the Jews. Do you know?! Disappointed you shall remain.

@$Osisi: Has it come to you that those who are in position of power, determine what is correct? We must never forget that their decision is binding, regardless of its morality, or lack of it. They determine who is just and matters of what is acceptable, etc.

There used to be a time in American society that homosexuality is not a thing that you could openly flunt. Today, many states have it as a law in their books.

Now let me come to the issue of killing because of leaving a religion for something else. While you blame Islam for all killings imaginable, you have not personally witnessed any. Or have you? If your answer is no, then the whole premise of your argument is hearsay. Thats not admissible in the court of law, or in the court of public opinion. WE are in the public opinion.

The Christians, groups or nations have killed and still killing nonChristians, simply because they are not Christians. Nothing else for their reason to kill. The Christians used their power and are now still doing it to kill Muslims. Osisi, look around you. Better watch a newscast any given evening. Since 2002, killing of Muslims is fair game. Killing, raping and sexual contact, male harrasing are all practiced in Iraq. Let me leave Afghanistan alone for the moment!

Dick Cheney finally by Allah confessed that late Sadaam Hussaine (ra) had nothing to do with 911! Haa. And over 100,000 Iraqi lives have been lost on a lie. Imagine, in a span of less than 10 years from a people, 100,000 people have been killed, except that they are different from their killer(s). In recent and present human histories, Christianity have single-handedly killed, unopposed, people who are not of their religion, or at least look like them.

The my god is bigger than your God mentality is ever the driving force for the irrationally instinctive Christians! If your Multiple gods are collectively powerful enough to guarantee your success in this life, then I see no reason for the mass killing, directly and in many cases supporting the Israelis to visit on the Muslims! Or are the Iraqis killed because that they are Iraqi's only?

The Christians' support for killers is indictment against them, because you have claimed that your religion preaches "turning the other cheek?" $Osisi tell me, has any of you, individually (you for example), communually or nationally (USA), Europe ever turned other cheek?

America stood against USSR for many decades without one side firing a shot at the other. During that time many nations were invaded by either USSR, England, and USA. There was not a single blood bath nor a coalition of the willing or the unwilling. This remained the norm until the muslims were noticed as an obsticle tat must be dealt with.

Well, even you a person whose profession is to save lives have not displayed a greater regard to muslim lives than a rifle carrying military man in the theater of war. I know you may say that you have muslim friends. Your single intention is that they convert out of their religion. I dont blame you since their is nothing that cautions you against it, nothng gives you the concept of freedom of religion!

Your friendship with Muslims is very caustic/toxic to their lives. Is like the friendship of a blackman or a Jew with a KKK! If he is loved, he is just unique and not the normal situation. Worse is that he could be the next shooting target!

Culture of Islam is different from culture of Iran, considering that they still celebrate/commemorate their years based on their preIslamic "enlightenedment", Iraq since they still cling to the many potteries and statues before Ibrahim (AS), Saudi Arabia, since it is a new "country, post Islam", and all the other places you mentioned; Afghanistan, or Pakistan etc, who should know that it is forbidden for Muslims to kill muslims (and you see it happeneing now: Thanks to the web and seed of discords from the nonMuslims). Inshort, is there a society on earth that have adopted Islamic culture based on Quran and Sunnah? None. The Africans have OAU, the Europeans have EEOC, There is NAFTA and Organization of the American States. There is the Pope, for crying out loud!

Why is it that the NonMuslims are standing against the establishment of the Kalifa? Japan was reconstituted after WW2. So was Germany. And Italy. Turkey's involvement did not bring an end to Turkey's islamic Identity, but the highest office of Islamic Unity, The Caliphate, itself! $Osisi, I think you forgot the atrocities of France on Algeria. Or of Italy and Belgium and France on many parts of Islamic Africa? And the division created by the British in India between the Muslims and the nonMusims, prior to independence. The evil of Christianity is very deep, and fatal, always on the society and culture it settles in.