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ezra a jew, nodding his face toward an old temple relic or a christian? i dont think so, man. and if you are sure, please proof it. or disproof abuzola.

auro, tudor, enjoy while it lasts. you will not be smiling in the face of justice that is heavy punishment bcause of the overwhelming evidence against you.

First, make the effort. I am already prepared to humiliate you. Then I want to see how the whole Yoruba christians fit Olodumare to God the Father!

Yet Eledumare, before Christianity crawled with its heavy hand to the land of my blood, is a word to mean their "God; Ceator." I wonder why your mind can't wrap around the idea that the Arabs, too, like every people except the atheist, and his kind, knew and accept that a Creator, Eledumare in Yoruba's pre Christians, Pre Muslims, existe?

What name did your pagan forefathers called their Creator, before Christianity entered the hearts of their descendants; you and those who are chritians in your bloodline?

Was Eledumare one of them? Now that you are christians, is Eledumare not acceptable to mean Creator in Yoruba language, any longer? In the long run, I beliee you will come to your senses.

@All Servants of Jesus (you do call Jesus your master. No?), what is the best quality a Prophet must have? Is there a quality that is higher that the prophet submitting completely to his Sender, God Almighty Creator?

The "prophet" who says is a son, and or the same as his Sender, God Lord the Creator, if he actually said it, can that be a good quality "prophet" in the same sense as the one who is in full submission? If at anytime the one who is not in full submission states that he is a prophet, when he returns to his Sender, God Lord the Creator, will he not be punished as the way the King on his return wanted to punish the revolted servants who hated his return, as we read it in Luke 19: verse 27 (or is it verse 17?); anyhow he commanded that they are brought before him and be slayed.

@Jatador: Where do you come from? Moses will not be a prophet there, too. No? How about David who began to fight before the Jewish age of Bermitva; 13 years old, today?

@Jadator: You don't have to be that nasty. Afterall, in your bloodline, maybe even your father married and or have had more than one woman. Your mother is probably not the only woman your father knew. I almost can wager my next "payday" on it.

I will rspect mothers, thought. Maybe your father is the only man she knew. Multiple wives is not a new thing to man. Nigerian men can lie all day long. In the long run, the Christian man replaces a new woman with the old one. This is not part of what we read from your Bible. Or am I wrong?

@Olaadegbu: The injuction of not allowing Muslima to marry a Kafr is from the JUstice of Allah. I could go into it, in a way that it will help you to understance Justice, but we have to do it at another time. Allah mentains a balance between peoples; one group interacting with another group, and, people in the same group interacting with one another.

@Noetic: If the young woman was intending to become a Christian, she would never have came to a public forum with her "Issue." Read her post. Look at how she framed her question. She is worried about her relationship with Allah. She knows what she doing is not completely correct. She already admitted to it. She is trying to make changes, improvement. I pray to her Creator Allah the Almighty that she is successful, forgiven, and receive mercy.

Unlike you she knows who her Lord God is. She will not need to face more than One God. You on the other hand, will face Jesus at a particular time. Then the Hoy Ghost at another time. Yet Father/Yahweh/Jehovah, at completely different time. You don't see any confusion in your situation, and that is the reason you want her to join your gang of three wise gods. Go sidon.

And finally, I asked a lawyer to tell me if it is evil to punish a person whom the authority have been told the consequences of a bad action. Yet decided to take it, anyway. He said that it is not evil but it is Justice that authority metered because the guilty violated a standing code of conduct. Justice is usually not accepted by the one who suffers it, though knows that he made errors defying the authority.

Just to prepare you for the challenge you made, and which I accepted about the Quran.

@Olaadegbu: Don't lament too much. She is a person whom your guy (christian) should not deal with, in the first place. If she loves him more than Allah, she would not be asking us. Obviously, she being a muslima has some, still, goodness in her. Her soul through her heart is telling her that she may not be 100% correct.

Now let me ask you, are you known by your father's name/lineage orits the mother's that you bear?

If its father's then the child is automatically what the father is, until he/she is independent.

I will not adise her, (which I have done) to marry a disbeliever. Regardless of hs status, etc. Its better to marry because of religious (Iwa rere ni tori Ipaya Allah) values, than for others. In the process the others many just fall as the fruits for your constancy.

@Aisha: Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah. Marriage is ordained by Allah. Muslim women, to Muslim men, only. You can't marry a non-muslim man. I think you know that already. What you shoul not do is what you have been doing for the past 2 years; dating.

Usually, this process called dating leads to the temptations of illegal sex; fornication. You need to stop this at once. Whereever you maybe, there are muslim men available for marriage. You can find what you want. And it is permissible for woman to propose, too. Khadijah did it with Muhammad (AS).

Now, if you go to the babyboard titled "For Muslims" under Religion of Nairaland.com, here, you will see a thread opened by Frizzy. Frizzy is look for a good Muslim woman. He is young, ready and available.

Start with him, or in your local masajid. There are plenty of them in your town. Young men willing may be closer than you think. Finally make Dua to Allah to give you a Pious husband.

If the guy you are with now is not entering Isam, right now, drop him. Fear Allah and do right.

@Noetic « #47 on: Yesterday at 11:48:26 PM » After this, I will not respond to you, because you don't have manners and capacity to think.

I can safely state that u are an ignorant and uneducated person.

Its your mouth. Say what you want, rightly or wrongly.

did I not ask u not to resort to long and meaningless rhetorics?

I wonder what is the main essence of the Christian Bible, except to say that Jesus is part of the trinity and a savior? Yet it is voluminous! At worst, I had copied the style of the Bible; long and meaningless rhethorics! I am in good company, I will say.


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This is ridiculous.[/quote]Ridiculous like the Bible where 1 plus 1 plus 1 is equal to 1.

when u think of a girl repeatedly before u sleep, u are bound to dream of her.

Shameful exampe! Are you married to a girl? Why the heck you are think about her, after Jesus "don lay down the Kricking law" against it? You see, you have committed fornication by your thought! No salvation for you. Your heart is filthy!

mohammed cannot hide under this figment of lie.

The psychoanalyst is at work, in2009 dealing with a 6th Century issue! Smart man on campus. The liar is the denier of truth; you, noetic!

mohammed was simply infatuated to a 9 year old girl, and since allah approved all forms of evil including, beheading, amputation and endless killings, it wasnt hard for allah to allow mohammed sexually assault a 9 year old girl.

And jehoovah or Yahweh or Jesus the god did not do better, either. I think he did worse. Take a look at the OT; Where should I begin? I am sure you will be trying to shamelessly put a spin on it.

what are the qualities of a prophet? is mohammed a prophet? did he perform any miracles? did he make any prophecies?
This is a raw display of ignorance.

Ignorance is your first, Middle and last names, if you consider that it is written in the Quran that more people will be non Muslim, that there are muslims at any given time! Other people who can deal with your ignorance, somebody who has your time (not me) will rspond to you more elaborately.



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Are u denying that mohammed snatched his adopted son's wife?[/quote]Woody Allen married a younger woman. Mia Farros' adopted daughter named Soon Yii. Adoption is what you say with your mouth in your desire. There is no blood relationship. None whatsoever. Are you familiar with adoption? Obviously not, since you don't know that there is no blood relationship!

But I want people to read your nitial question in the previous post that waranted by response, that you just gave this wishy washy half stepping sleep walking of an observation as a response. Allah cancelled adoption by Muhammad's marriage to Zainab. That was the process Allah chose.


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whats the basis of comparing moses to mohammed? And for ur information, Jesus NEVER knew allah.[/quote]Moses and Muhammad died naturally. They were not hanged. They both married and had children. Their people accepted them as their leaders, etc! And is an idol in heaven, since Muhammad (AS) went to heaven and came back? If it was an idol that is in heaven, then know that Jesus as he is in heaven is with idol, too. Your words, man. I am just repeating your dilutional statement to darn you. Just maybe your conscience or consciousness may be awaken! You are a strange man. And Yoruba produced all kind. You are a "one of a kind."

allah is an arabian idol, JESUS is GOD.

And Eloi is what now, if Jesus is God, according to your statement above? Are there more than One God? If Jesusi God, then he must have called on an idol while on the cross! You never cease to amaze me.


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what explanation do u have for his animal-like sexual appetite, that allowed him to SHAMELESSLY sleep with common slaves?[/quote]Have you had sex, man? You must be married to do it. Otherwise you are a great sinner by fornicating! Which slave he slept with? I remember discussing this issue with $Osisi. I said that the whole of Makka tribes offered their best women. He turned them down. He was a virgin until he married twice married older woman. He did not accept proposals from women, who offered themselves to him, in Madina. What a shameless sexual person can do that?

You need help, man. May Allah give you conscience, first, so that you can stop lying this badly. Many people don't think with their head and mind! They get all worked up with raging emotion.



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This is ridiculous.[/quote]True to form. You did not disappoint me. I told the NL people to watch for your chickening response, and you did exactly that on a Q!


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What EXACTLY did the inhabitants of mecca and medina do to mohammed before he waged war against them? He killed them simply because they refused to elevate a local arabian idol called allah, its wife allat and 3 daughters to a GOD status.

[/quote]Give us evidence. Without evidence, its all smoke without any flame or fire!


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allah is a local arabian god who had a wife and 3 daughters. Can u produce ANY historical evidence excluding ur koran, to suggest that allah was not a local idol elevated by mohammed?

If I do, whats your wager? I will let you choose.



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Lets have a deal.[/quote]Reluctantly, just to darn you, I am game.


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For every koranic verse u produce that preaches forgiveness, I will produce 5 that does not. deal?

[/quote]So if you lose, what is it that you are willing to give up? Will you give up your three turguts? Turgut means fake god!


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all of these are meaningless semantics. You answered NONE of my questions.

Am sure I didn't since you worship 3 gods and say to me that its One God. Nothing in your mind is actually a reality. How could I have answered any of your questions? I worship 1 God. You worship 3. Its the number game. 3 must be more and probably srong than 1, wont you say?


I was already determined not to respond to you, until you throw this challenge of Mercy and its opposite. I will be waiting to see what you do. I will start with Surah Fatihah, and I want you to show me how many non-forgiving verses. We will move on to Surah Baqarah, and methodically provide a tabulated list of verses in each chapter. When you are the loser in this challenge, I hope you will do the best thing for people like you?

And Abraham was not a Hebrew, Jew, Children of Israel or Christian!

If he were any of these above, then he would have "it" before his birth! Just like you and I can't claim that we are native American tribe people because we live in America, Abraham could never have been a Christian: a religion formulated after Jesus nickname!

He could not have been Jew by religion because it formulated after a people that came from the loin of his great grand child "Judah!"

He couldn't be Jew by tribe or cultural trading, because it was a tribal name and tradition fashioned after "Judah", son of Jacob.

He Abraham couldn't be a Hebrew, because by birth he was not. There was not Hebrew in his bloodline/heritage/ancestral trait!

David dont you read anymore? There is also live away from Google Search engine. Here, immediately below is where you got your information: People can read and come to their own conclustion(s);

Q, the Earliest Gospel: An Introduction to the Original Stories , - Google Books Resultby John S. Kloppenborg - 2008 - Religion - 184 pages
Jerusalem, Nazara, Capernaum, Bethsaida, , (Sodom) and of the rejection of the prophets (Jerusalem), sites where the Jesus people were rejected (Capernaum ,
books.google.com/books?isbn=0664232221,

Butyou forgot that there was live in these places before Abraham. Otherwise, his stinct would just have been like that of Hajar and Ismail, in Makka. Didn't Isaac marry a wife from some tribe other than the party of his father and mother?

Here is a better read that Abraham found people on the land, when he arrived from Ur of Iraq:

31.7665N, 35.2338EMay 28, 1999 , Before Abraham had his name changed by God, he was known as , The king and his men marched to Jerusalem to attack the Jebusites, who lived there. , Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will ,
www.visi.com/~nathan/xtian/jerusalem.html -

@Davidylan: Please go and stand up. I truly mean that. You denied that water bodies; lakes, rivers, ponds, Seas and Oceans dont look "murky" when the sun is setting on it! I am looking at Atlantic Ocean, right now. Its 5.13 Pm where I am. And the water is clear. When its about 8.29 pm, the approximated time they predict with some certainty that sun will set, I will look at the surface of the water.

I have done this now for almost a month, since I left Manhattan. Each even, when the sun is setting, I smiled and think about how wrong you are. I asked you to please experiment this out, for yourself, you refused. Yet you blindly deny the obvious!

I also now ask you to tell us who were the earliest inhabitants by just telling us if Jerusalem was founded by Abraham or by some people, long before he left Ur. You just can't let people rattle you out, eh? Well for your information: The Cannanites were ong alive in the so called Promised land, long time before father Abraham. And the Jebusites were living in Jerusalem before him, too!

It is a well known fact that Abraham warred with the Jebusites. It was in his return that he met Melchezdekeh, the King of "Salem", who prayed for him!

David, I use the google search engine which you are fund of using: I saw your information source, as one of the results of my humble question, "Who are the earliest inhabitants of Jerusalem?"

I also ignored the result as I asked another question: Was there a people who lived in Jerusalem, before Abraham?" You actually dislike the truth. Yet I love you like I will those people I truly love. I pray that you change before its too late!

Now, tackle my question, since you love to disproof Muslim's truth, just like the Jews love to disproof any truth in Christianity. At least the Gopel says that Jesus was a prophet. The jews deny this fact!

@Davidylan: Please tell me when was the city of Jerusalem formed, incorporated? Please use a Prophet, or the Prophet that you think his era is closest to its incorporation. Or between the two prophets whose eras are before and after it was first formed. Or just give us a landmark in history when it was formed?

Aburo, I am testing your honesty to see if you think, with 100% certainty, or not that Jerusalem is a city formed by Israelites, the Children of Israel?

For a proper disclaimer: The father of the Children of Israel is Jacob. Jacob was named Israel! And before him, there was nothing known as Israel and definitely no Children of Israel/Israelites existed!

It is a well known fact that Father must always exist before Child or Children exist! There is no way that a child or children can exist before Jacob/Israel, himself!

And there is no child that exist at the same time as father! Heee eeeeeeehn, whats up Dr. (Davidylan)? Is it possible that Jesus, a son exist side by side with his Father, a god?

and I innocently and sincerely asked Kolitos007 what is a plonker. He failed to remind himself to tell me. Instead he is defining Moppet to me.I didnt ask you about Moppet man. I said plonker!

Alhamdullah that my generation and the place that I live in aredifferent from your butt hangin, pant dragging, (probably earring wearing and tattooed body) wanna be.

Tell me what plonker is and let me hear word, man!

@Kolitos007: Thank God that I dont live in England. So your Moppet jive is just that! Its like a Yoruba man saying to a person who is in his home country as Ode! Or something like that! It will mean zero to him. Thats what you Mug's calling me a Moppet means. Really.

England is broke, and so there are many people they are now using to try to prop it up st that it does not completely disintegrate. Its a good thing I didn't school there! I have always disliked their archaic ways.

You will not mind me using Q for your name since K is replaceable by it? Am just asking. I did not want to offend you, MUG! Thats a good word (MUG), No?

@Tudor: LOL. You didnt! I was praying so hard that you aint Yoruba! That you aint even Nigeria! That you aint even part of the bloodline of Adam! Are you part of Adam and Eve's bloodline? Say no, Tudor! You just can't be!

In my tribalist quality, I married a non Yoruba woman! and most of my friends and associates are not even Nigerians. Look at the person am talking about myself to: a common descendant of "ape"! Thats what the Atheist said they came from, being evolutionist in thought! You can't be from Adam if you dont accept his being a creation. Humans are the children of Adam and Eve. At least the majority of mankind take this position. Except just a few of you who deny this overwhelming situation, yet you say like therest of us, who number between 95 to 99 percent, at least.

@Tudor: Please give me a full description of the people you belong to. I want a very short story that will capture their essence: origin and history of how the arrived in the present place where they are today. There warrior history, mariages, music, etc. I wanna see how short your story will be and that will give any person a good and vivid picture f your people.

I am a yoruba and even though an not a tribalist, I will be disappointed if you have yoruba blood flowing in you. You tend to be so tangental to what Yoruba people should be. (LOL; I hate to do this to this Island hopper!).


If you are a yoruba, I apologise in advance. But am still harboring hope that you are not! Your problematic ideas, as an atheist should belong to some other "human" tribe!

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There is no single verse where jesus mentioned christianity but he advised his disciples to hold on to islam in d bible
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You shoud have at least first show us from the pages of the Bible, where Jesus recommended Chrsitianity. Just like Moses didn't recommend Judaism, for sure Jesus didn't recommend, Judaism and Christianity. If you can show us otherwise, then shout at the top of your lung that we show you Islam which Jesus recommend in the pages of the Bible! We've always stated that we know the truth that still remain in the Bible from the messy lies of say Paul, and his companions.

Maybe before you start jumping down my throat for an answer help Abuzola answer the question I posited first. He made the comment that "Jesus advised his disciples to hold on to islam in the bible," and I would like to see for myself where that is. If you can't answer my initial question, let the person I asked answer it.

Abuzola already answered your question. It is unfortunate that you dod not reflect upon the statement he made. When you want to negate a thing, it is no necessary that you say I did not do it for example. You can negate it by saying, it does not fit my personality/morality or my Modus Operandi to do such a thing.

Now there are many verses of the New Testament which clearly expressed, without anyone reading any meaning to it, except what you see in from of you that Jesus claimed that God and Lord to serve is One Single Lord. He and his listeners have this same God and Lord, which means it was not Jesus that is that Lord God! He prayed, cried, begged, wept that his disciples reported, in his effort to have his "wishes" answered! And in the long run, it is the Will of that Lord God that prevailed! Jesus cant on one hand asked himself to let his own "will" be done, and yet on the other hand it is also his own "Will" as the other Jesus that prevailed over the Jesus that asked!

And we read that he said in the Lord's prayer that "thine will be done",which means Willingly Submitting to that Entity in Heaven whom he prayed to in "the Lord's prayer!" Would it no be crazy for a man be praying to himself, willing confessing without being forced to submit to his own will as a different parson, who is in the Bedroom, while he was making this statement sitting in his car, outside the house ready to pull away to visit a frend downtown?

This is crazy. No? If you agree that willingly agreeing that the "Will" of the One in Heaven is accepted by Jesus and his followers when he read the Lord's prayer, he had demostrated that notonly that he was a Muslim of his own kind and type at that time. But he had told everyone else who would follow him to be Muslims, too, by submitting, the same way he did.

Shall we not remember that he prayed by prostrating hs face, at least twice in the Garden of Geshemane? Please read the Bible, again, considering that Eloi (please pronounce it) is a varient of Allah by accent/different tongue only! It is Eloi that he said, at the time he could have said Aba (father) or Jehovah or Yahweh!

@Noetic2: « #11 on: June 11, 2009, 11:58 PM »
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what do u mean by humaneness? what do u mean by good?

[/quote]Good and the best of human qualities. If he was angry, he was not obnoxious. When correcting you he was not harsh. A very good story in Madina to illustrate my point;
A man walked into the mosque in Madina, while the Muslims were still in the company of the Prophet, after Salah. They were to the side of the mosque, when this ignorant man came and took out his manhood and urinated in the front part of the mosque. While he was still doing it, the companions who were there wanted to stop him and probably get vexed with him for doing it and particularly in the presence of the Noble prophet.

He, the prophet (AS) stopped them and tell them that they should let him finished. He informed a companion to get some water and throw it on the whole wetted place. This will dilute the urine and make the place acceptable again for salah. After the man had finished, he called the man to simply informed him that Masjid is used for 3 things; Salah, Reading Quran and Remembrance of Allah (Dhkir). This is the highest level of humaneness. He did not shame the man privately or publicly, but just civilly pointed to the man, without saying what he did was wrong, by not including urinating inside the masjid as one of the things it is used for.



[quote]since u love and emulate mohammed this much, will u:

1. sleep with a 9 year old girl?

If I were the prophet and there was Aisha, yes. Why; read the ahadith that discussed it. The prophet saw Aisha twice as a gift to him, in his dream. Dream of prophets are always true. It is revelation.

Now am assuming that Aisha was 9 years old in the second yeatr of Hijr in Madina. When was Aish born; before her father became muslim or not, which was the first year of Islam in Makka? And there was Islam for 13 years in Makka before the Prophet and his companion (RA) Abu Bakr (the Bill Gates of Makka before Islam) went to Madina.

Now, I am intersted in younger women. If I live in a society that 9 is the minimum age of maturity, you bet, since my action will not be unusual for my cultural norms. In Africa 15 is more matured for the most part 21 of USA and the West. Yet 18 is the legal age in America. People marry well younger that the age of 18, you know. Your idea is not sound. Should we judging Makka and Madina of over 1400 years ago by the standard of New York City or London of 2009? In the days when makkans used to fight generational wars, it will be expected that people grow fast and die young, too. The Jews are still saying that the age of maturity is still 13 years to this day. Yet there was a time that 13 years old poeple were still in Elementary school, in Nigeria. Today, people as young as 15 are already High School Levers. Should we judge the 13 years old boy or girl of 1950 as retard because in 2009, 15 years olds are preparing to enter the University?

2. snatch ur son's daughter?

Uhh! Muhammad (AS) did not have a son who reached teenage years before death. All his daughter, except Fatima Zarah (RA) died before him! What are you talking about? Go read man and stop eating uo lies that they feed you!

3. kill apostates, because allah says so?

Moses killed people because Allah/Eloi said so! Whats the difference? Command is Command, man. Its I hear and Obey! (And I will not even talk about Jesus' intent to fight, except Allah did not permit him. Why would any purchase of Sword be necessary except there is a purpose for it?Considering that it was so important that you have to sell your few cloth to purchase a single SWORD!).

4. develop an animal-like sexual appetite?

Whats animal like sexual appetite, if we factor in David, the father of Jesus (Check your Jesus geneology) or Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines? So that you dont accuse me of avoiding your question, which is all that you say, consider a man who has such supposed "animal like sexual appetite" should not stop at just whatever number he stopped; 11 or less. He would have married all the virgins and pretty women in town. Come to think of it, the Makkans offered him such a deal, so that he can stop attacking PAGANISM! Surprising that he turned it down, instead, but sticking to his Mission of Monotheism! What an animal like sexual appetite that didnt live up to its billing!

5. invade other nations when unprovoked?

And you did not give an example of such a nation. I will be looking forward to know which nation or people he fought unprovoked! And Moses a prophet who Allah/Eloi spoke to personally fought people all the way to "Israel, the "Promised land!"" Should Muhammad who looked up and resembled Moses fail to do so? I will still be expecting the name(s) of the "unprovoked nation(s)."

Watch hm, guys. Noetic will not be able to produce one in good conscience. I doubt if he has good conscience, though.

6. upgrade a local idol in yorubaland (sango, oya or obatala) to a divine status as GOD?

Among all the 360 idols around Kaaba, etc and the arab lands and tribe at large, no one of them "gods" is called Allah! Go study. The Arabs knew Allah existed as an Invincible and never to be represented "Deity/God. Surah Fil (The Elephant) incidence demonstrated t, without a single doubt. And this happened before Muhammad (AS) was born! Read, man and stop being so uninformed!

7. amputate, behead and flog people for sins, without practising forgiveness?

Read the Quran and you will see many verses where forgiveness is mentioned. Forgiveness is a real option in Islam, you know! Now that we have set the stage for the many "unfair punishments" that you listed above, could you tell me if any of the old prophets before Jesus practiced any of these, for the same or less offense, in degree that what Muhammad did?

If you don't know then I will ask you to wonder what prompted the Jews to bring the "prostitute" to Jesus for judgement? She is a prostitute, which means that she is not married! A married woman will never be stoned to death, in Islam!

Finally, only to amuse myself and hopefully to awaken your coscience; After Jesus saved the woman from being killed for adultery, was there a woman or man with the Israelite community who died for the same offense? Didn't Jesus say that he came to uphold the Laws and the Prophets?

Where is the congruency between upholding the laws and the prophets and turning around to legislate against the most Important Prophet to the Children of Israel's code of sexual conduct? Lets think just for a moment, where the honesty of saying and acting upon it is, here?

8. marry off ur 6 year old daughter to someone?

Which one of his daughters are you talking about? Give me name or names, please. I want to learn from you, if you know anything I dont know! And knowledge is not by age. And Islamic knowledge is not restricted to the muslims, only. But Iman of Islam is!

PS. Dont go into a long story, just answer my questions.

I did, already. Now consider the "aloo apa gbe" of the yoruba culture. It is long and full of information. Thats how people talk. People give many instances to support their intended statement. Learn that, so that you may use it in the future.

Ogbeni Olaadegbu, bawo?

This woman dont even know when to stop peddling her lies. Woman rest abit. Ndo. Daa lu.

@Noetic: Do you play in the circus? Are you are escape artist, because you have mastered the sillly process of thinking that you are the only one who is right!

Now the difference between you and Abuzola is that one of you is asking probing qustions, sincerely! You are not that person! You can't read diddly about Arabic Quran and you dont know Jack about the Original Aramaic revelations, since none exist any longer.

What you now based your "fate" in in your faith is the never revealed "Bible" and its formulation using greek (heindoism), passing as reality. This is completely false.Now what do you have to say? Please defend your Bibeli, ogbeni okunrin!

@Tudor: Seriously, give me a set of contraction verses! Can you, because just saying it like Christopher Hutchen (That British American Chain Smoker) will not cut it! Prrof, Proof and Proof, please.

Killings. Okay I agree. But tell me is there a possible scenerio that may make you kill somebody?

@dankol: You should ask your Church leader(s) which one is ORIGINAL when you present; Catholic Douwy Version, King James Version, Revised Standard Version, American Version, etc before him? You should watch his face (shifting side to side) and observe his body language (preparing to lie to you as he probably curse you under his breath). Whatever you get, if he has the strength to choose one, then ask him what the others are? Can you do that? If you do, accept that one for your own purpose and laugh at the other versions and their readers as fake christians!

My man, and i have not even spoken about the fact that a version changes as the season changes, except that the season 3 monthly, while the Bible is generationally of 20 years!


And what do you mean when you said the Muslims are asking for direction? Is the Quran not relevant and complete as a complete direction for the Muslims? Surah Fatiha, the very first Surah is a complete prayer which started by

acknowledgement of Allah as Lord, God and Creator. And then moves to

confirming the Muslim position and relationship with the sade Creator. And then moves to

Petitioning phase to the end.

The second Surah to the end are the answer and guideline to the above; each way reaffirming the Lordship of Allah, the relationship of His Servant with Him in His Full Authority and the answer to the petition by giving the proper path to follow to receive Altimate Success from Him, in this life and the next life, starting from the point of death!

And $Osisi disappeard one time, leaving Pilgrim.1 to face the bitter truth all by herself! This is life.

Aburo, Pilgrim.1. Pele.

From now on, I will only watch this thread and may not respond, except where the lies are just very blatant!

Ku simi o. Shee 7th Day Adventist ni e? O daa bee.

« #22 on: Today at 02:46:08 PM »  
Quote from: Aremugangan on Today at 02:29:35 PM
Weither u accept or nt, d fact has bin written, d fact is n ll stil remain. Doz wu disbelieve in Islamic monotheism whether u show dem d light(Islam) or nt dey ll nt believe. This is Qur'an 2:6-7 confirmin ur seald heart evn b4 u were born which mins its nt surprisin whether u accept or nt.

There's a motherboard where you can preach your ideas to Muslims and not try to defend what is patently false. Other Muslims (which I've referenced) have made it clear the OP's statement in meaning was wrong and false - is that my worry? I don't have anything to worry about; but you don't have to resort to the mechanical magic of confusing languages just to peddle your ideas. No matter how many times you shout it, what is wrong is wrong, and those Muslims have pointed it out. If you have a problem on this issue, take it right upfront to them and tell them they're wrong.

I wondered what was your concern about his statement, that is Abuzola's, except that it griefed you? While you go to greek muslim's blogs to provide statements for Malaysia, Indonesian, Indian, Pakistani, bangladeshi, etc Muslims, we hereby tender the opinions of the Unitarian Christians, who do not believe there is anything called Trinity!

What about the Jehovah Witnesses's opinion about godship of Jesus, which I am of the opinion that they dont believe? Or should we tender the opinion of the Catholics who pray to Mary because they believe she can force Jesus her son to whatever she wants? Inshort, we present the Paul himself, who says, and please check your Bible before you misspeak, that Jesus does not have the final word on Christendom!

Look at each one of my examples, and except Paul who is just one person and we know his position in your religion, each of them is far larger than the total mumber of muslims in Greece! Each group thinks it is a good authority of Christianity. Not the Muslims saying it. Not just handful of Christian are in each group. And finally, Greek Muslims should not take presidence over any of these listed muslm nations. Blogging is where you go?

In Morocco, India, Pakistan, etc, you have islamic universities, where people ae being matriculated. is there any in Greece? Pilgrim is very funny woman!

More ignorant tomfoolery.

You must be a fast reader to have easily finished all of that, and came to your conclusion, without giving any expanation. Experiments always, is accompanied by observarions, before conclusions. Please tell us what you disagreed with before you came out with your deceitful statement?

Is it the Silm as in Silmi kaa fa in Surah An Am or the Salaam as in Al Salaam of Surah Hashr?

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 02:11:03 PM
How can you a Kufar tell the Muslims what islam really means? You neither practice it nor understand it!

I didn't know that the Muslims at "Greek Muslims" blog were "kufar". Well done.

My Kufar is a description of you, since you are not a Muslim! Kafara is where Kufar is derived from. Unless you are a Muslim, my statement stands as a fact! And as for the Greek Muslim blog, you could have gone to the source; the Muslim Arabs of either Makka or Madina or greater Arabia (the Ijaz) or even the West African Muslims who are enmass muslims, or the Indian Muslims, or the Malaysians or Pakitanis, etc.

I see what you did: Old habit is very hard to shed. You thought Islam is Christianity, since your source for Christianity is Greek instead of Aramaic that Allah made yopu spilled out, earlier. So you have to go to the greek (muslim blog) for Islam, too.

Blog by definition is where people give opinions. Sometimes correct and other times not so. Spare me and don't spear me , Missy. We have a consistence of islam to mean peaceful Submission since the very first time; the lifetime of the Prophet (AS).

Come to think of it: Maybe you know Islam more than him (AS). No?

« #10 on: Today at 12:43:05 PM »  
Quote from: Aremugangan on Today at 12:27:33 PM
@Pilgrim- if dis shd b a religious debate, den i ll prefer 2do it wt a much mor knowledged person wu is realy vast abt d bilbe dan avin ur li2 brain "disturbd" as u myt nt b able 2comprehend d facts i ll gv u frm d bible simply coz u av li2 or no knowledge abt d@ book. Afterall, u dont kno it cover 2 cover, u only kno w@ ur pastor preaches on occasions(wen u go 2d church). Pls if u dare dim it fit, gv Qur'an chapter 2 a trial (we av it translatd in2 millions of langs) xcpt if u wnt 2prove me wrong, fear ll nt permit u 2read it. I dnt mind ur reference if u av any. Pls stp livin in ignorance.

Instead of ducking behind this unintelligent short-hand and saying nothing, save your drama and show that other Muslims are W-R-O-N-G when they clearly hold that 'islam' is NOT "peace".For pointing out such things, THEY must be "ignorant" and only your shorthand scripts with vacant holes can be more enlightened. Don't amuse me with such drama if you can't apply yourself appropriately.

$Osisi, come here an correct yoruba, please. Worse Prime Minister Gordon of England should come to do the correction of my Yoruba. This is a similitude to what I hilighted above. A big time Kufar from Yoruba Nigeria, who can read Surah Ankabut, is going the whole world Islamic body, that their understinding of what Islam means, has nothing to do with Salaam! What a discovery!

« #6 on: Today at 09:04:31 AM »
Quote from: Aremugangan on Today at 07:28:44 AM
Dnt gt tins obfuscated. W@'s d diff bt peace n submission? Cn a person wu is nt submissiv b peaceful? Islam is nt a religion where we only blv d@ God xists, rada, it's a religion where we kno n by modification, beyound evry resonabl doubt confirm HIS xistence. Muslims re nt followers of shadows bt d tru worsipper of d only God (Exodus 20:3-5), (Qur'an 114;1-4).

What have you said just now? Are you confused between the words 'salaam' and 'islam'? Or your short-hand scripts get any better by quoting from the same Bible that Muslims don't believe in? What really

It is true Muslims do not believe in the "Bible." Reason is that it is not a revealed Book! Check out the Quran to know what are revealed, including the Suhufi (Ibrahima wa Musa; Surah Al'a).

Muslims believe in the original Toral as it was revealed to Musa (AS), Sabur as it was revealed to Daud (AS) and Injil as it was revealed to Isa bin Mariam (AS). If you know any better, please tell us now and quote the verses from Quran. If you know that Jesus the god revealed the "Bible," please show us the very Verse from your Bible or whereever you can find it!

nauseates me is some of you going around to confuse both yourselves and your friends, and then coming back to justify the same confusion. I know - I should be calm and talk like 'butter won't melt in my mouth' . . but enough of all this cheap soliciting and uneducated guesses from you guys.

Grandstanding, unless have a proof against what he said!

@$Osisi:
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Thanks pilgrim
Looks like Abuzola just graduated from a non accredited Islamic academy[/quote]What did she do that you are thanking her for? That woman knows nothing about Islam. You must be so easily taken. Very gullible. I didn't expect you to fall so easily like that. But then what should I expect. You who is very pratical in many things. But when it comes to 1+1+1 you just continue to deny that it is 3 in reality. Let me show you how wrong Pilgrim.1 is, in her statement and no one needs to consult the Web to find out. All you need to do is go talk to Arabs who are linguist in their own language. We are not talking about John Esposito here. Those are people with knowledge that the knowledge have no residual value of goodness for them. For they will be judged for their knowledge, but yet they rejected faith in the day of Judgement.

« #3 on: Today at 01:54:13 AM »  
Quote from: Abuzola on Yesterday at 07:18:13 PM
. . .Islam I leave with you; my Islam I give you.

Please stop murdering other people's languages!   How could Jesus have been speaking Quraish and saying the things you're putting into His mouth?

Arabic as a language in the time of Jesus and also in the time of Muhammad was spoken far beyond the boundary of "Quraish" tribe in Makka. Proof; Yemeni, and others spoke Arabic. Fusat Arabic of Quran came with Quran. But it is still Arabic and it is just a greater level of arabic compared to what was already spoken by arabs, far beyond Quraish. The same Fusat became the purest and standardized Arabic. This is the arab language that the Christian Bible is now written for the Christians of Arabia.

And for sure, Jesus did not speak greek. Why do you put greek in his mouth? What happened to the Aramaic that he spoke? Show us that Gospel first, before you can bring out a "greek" gospel!

The word 'peace' in Aramaic is "shlama", not "islam" [see Wiki]; in Greek it is "eirēnē" [ειρήνη].

And a casual look, will tell you that Islam, though not completely in its total meaning is just "peace". But we see that shlama of Aramaic and Islam have a common root. Look, the both have laam (l), miim (m). That is just going by what you write, above (2 common, out of 3 of shlama and 4 of islam). But if we compare Shlama of aramaic to eirene of greek, what do they possible have in common? Zero! Yet you are bringing it up to express, what exactly?

Is Yoruba not close to Ishekiri, Edo, etc of Nigeria than say English, even though England colonized its people? What you have done above is similar to anyone denying the Yoruba and Isheriki as similar and brought about English language to argue such a point!

Quote from: Abuzola on Yesterday at 07:18:13 PM
What is Islam ? Islam means Peace in Arabic therefore :

Are you the only Muslim who does not know the meaning in Arabic of the word 'Islam'? Why are you perpetrating this huge ignorance that has been thrown out ages ago? Let me remind you:

           A.  Islam means submission, not peace;

Wrong definition> Islam means peaceful (willing) Submission. Islam is formed from two words fused together: Silm and Salaam! Boths are words in Quran. While Silm stand for submission /complete entry as in (enter Islam completely (in Surah An Am). Salaam meaning peace, is also a quality of Allah as in Al Salaam. It is dishonesty to say Islam has nothing to do with peace, because peaceful submission actually means islam in full sense of the word.

         

B.  Salaam is the word for peace in Arabic.

(1) 'Contrary to popular belief amongst Muslims, Islam does NOT mean peace.' [Greek Muslims blog]

How can you a Kufar tell the Muslims what islam really means? You neither practice it nor understand it! You think this is Christianity, where you read your own meanin, as you personaly wish? No. Seriously. And you are yoruba woman, should know that Arabic is not your mother's tongue. You are not a bedouin, for example. Hence you can't tell a bedouin what an arabic word means. Thats his language. Also a bedouin can't tell you what a Yoruba word means either. That should come naturally to you. You do speak yoruba or don't you? (Aji se bi yoruba lanri yoruba o je se bi enikan kan. I know. I intentionally put Yoruba where Oyo is. The Yorubas have their root, also in Oyo).

(2)  'The Arabic word Islam translates in English language as Submission'  [submission.org]

(3)  'The word Islam means "submission"'  [Wikipedia].

No arab will tell you that Islam simply means submission, without peace attached to it. Willingly is peace, you know. It means not forced or coarsed to submit. Please stop thinking you can define Islam by a narrow lens of the WWW! Sometimes they are correct and others, they are off the mark. And I don't trust the english language anyhow when it comes to Islam (Example Kun fa yakun does not mean Be and it i. It should Be, so it Be). Consider the fact that fa means So, while wa means And.

So in Surah Azhab, we see that the wives of the prophet (AS), Aisha and Afsa (RA), included were told by Allah that if they wished to divorce Allah and His Rasul, they should know that Allah and His prophet will grant them their wishes with a beautiful ransome for their departure. There is also a tafsir and ahadith that provide insight to when Umar bin Khattab heard that his daughter, Afsa (RA) was behaving badly to the prophet.

It was stated that Umar (RA) was about to beat his daughter (and father should not cooperate in something bad with his daughter, against a good husband, just because she is the daughter. No parent should for any spouse; husband or wife when she is wrong. Instead a way to keep the union should be soth, first), in front of her husband, the Prophet. The Prophet (AS) had to stop the father (RA) not to do so.This is another example that Muhammad is not a wife beater. And no Muslim should beat his wife.

In all, the mistakes of the past nation; Judaism, Christianity, at least the two mentioned in the Quran were corrected and replaced with better qualities not difficult to implement, for the last nation, Islamic nation under Muhammad (AS) to follow. For example, when the earlier nations, the Jew for example used to tear the part of their cloth that is soiled, the muslims just simply splash water on the part that urine touches to dilute the urine and of course purity the clothing. Thats mercy.

It is therefore to be understood and be taken that Muslims, instead of just an eye for an eye, have the option to completely forgive and depend on Allah, alone. It is without even taking the eye, or less than the eye or anything, except the complete forgiveness, alone. Muhammad (AS) was preferred by Zaid, his slave boy, over his own father, even before the beginning of prophethood. This is the reason that he adopted him as ason, which Allah cancelled by the verse in Surah Azhab, by Allah's decision to make Zaid divorce Zainab and the Rasul to marry her, which therefore prohibits adoptions which are always accmpanied by severance of family bloodline continuity.

If Job was not allowed to whack his wife as hard as he would have wanted, considering she was actually showing per the perception of her Prophet husband, disbelief in Allah's altimate decision, why would anyone thinks that a muslim husband can beat his wife? I dont see anything saying that I must beat her. However Allah knows His creatures to have diverse personality. This is why the "lightly" is inserted, since some people can be driven to such an extreme. So they are coutioned by the "lightly", like Job, is the adequate example for the "beat." It has to be light like that.

I have listened to many talks about this subject matter. And those I will take their opinion(s) are those whose statements go to the Quran and Sunnah for their statement. Those who do not follow Muhammad, as I have said earlier, are rejected by me. Since Muhammad (AS) is the "walking Quran" I am satisfiedby the way he treated his wives (AS). I am emulating that to a "t".

Now, i hope you are satisfied and know that no man is permissable to beat his spouse, like the giving of black eye. Heck hitting of the face is not permissible in Islam. So some people will talk out of Ignorance. Yes they be Shelk,but they are not Rasul. The authority of islam, among mankind rests on my beloved Muhammad (AS).

One of the four Imams said as he came to the grave of the prophet in Madina; Everyone's opinion(s) can be questioned. Except the occupant of his grave (he pointed to the grave of the Prophet (AS)). Each Imam also stated that there opinion is to be discarded for what Muhammad aid, if said opinion is different. For the statement ofMuhammad (AS) isright and theirs are wrong! And for me in the day of judgement, te shifa that I want to be covered under immediately is thatof Muhammad (AS).

And you and I know that spousal abuse is not limited to the community of Muslims. At least you can't deny whats going on in front of your eyes, in Texas. Go to the courts and its mainly Christians that are giving their wives black eyes. Now, the soldier boys are kiling their wives as if they are still fighting their Iraqi Muslim enemies in Faluja!

Now lets come to your main concern: wife beating in Islam.

Again, Muhammad (AS) did not lay a single finger on any of hs wives! Thats a real man. I know you will talk about your usual gimmick of a ahadith where Muhammad hit/struck Aisha in the chest, and she says that it hurt I am saying it here and now for you that it is a lie and that ahadith does not fit with the nature of the prophet. My proof is the single ahadith where Muhammad had simply poked a companion in the stomach with his finger, in jest. What did the prophet do? He told the Muslim man to poke him back, in the same exact way, at least, because he does not want that simple action to be counted against him.

If Muhammad (AS) had hit Aisha (RA) as you and the fake ahadith alleged, he would have begged her to retaliate, immediately. And Aisha did not report such an action/statemet. This is why the ahadith is unbelievable. Further, you should not forget that the Quran states that Muhammad has the best of "excellent qualities" that ae worthy of being emulated. Read the Quran to learn about Muhammad. And by the way, you can use the he is pedophile nonsense to buttress your position. Zainab is like a daughter to me. Bianca is like a daughter to Odumegu Ojukwu. Catherine Zeta Jones is like a daighter to Michael Doughlas. The wife of Donald Trump is like his daughter. The big time Christian crusader and fake conservative Mel Gibson is with a daughter like girlfriend now. The darn adulterer is no ashamed. Older men, like me love daughetr like wives. Its a good thing! The women love it like cat meow to a "fancy feast."
Older wome, the Cougars are not copying the men. Women like Demi Moore, etc! I wish most of these women marry their young studs.

Back to my presentation. I am sure that you know about Job (AS). He was a prophet of Allah, in the Quran. He was alive and dead long time before Jesus (AS) and certainly before Muhammad (AS). Now, when Job was sick, a lot of things happened to him. And at the height of his sickness, his wife emotionally said to him; you are a prophet of Allah and you are suffering this much. Why don't you ask Him to relieve you? Her statement to him, this time seemed to affect him into displeasure against her. He angrily said to her that when I get well (a prediction by Allah coming from the tongue of His prophet), I will whip you 10 lashes (a commitment coming from Allah's prophet). Allah does not allow a Prophet to make a commitment except that it is fulfilled. (Fulfilment is part of the proofs of the prophetic offices of those prophets (AS)). The proof of this is the ahadith leading to battle of the war of Huud. The messenger (AS), upon putting up his breast plate (like the way Moses, Daud, Sulaiman put theirs on), he said that it is the way of the prophets that they must go to the battle field(s), before taking it off!

In time, Job by Allah got well. Now he had to fulfill his promised of whipping his wife 100 lashes. Allah by His Mercy revealed to Job to get 100 grass blades from the field and bunch then together. He was commanded to "touch" his wife with it, so that he will fulfill his commitment, as a prophet!

Then imagine what level of Mercy Allah is to bring on the Muslims, from the Quran! Allah says to Muhammad (AS) take from the prophets what is excellent in their lives. So from Daud, Jesus, Moses, for example we take and adopted love for fasting voluntarily, over and above in addition to the compulsory Ramadan fast. Daud's voice is so beautiful that it is expressed that he will be required to read the Quran in the day of judgement. Hence, beautify your voice when you read the Quran. Let me just leave it at that, since we are just talking about wife beating.

Its Quran, not Koran. Q and K are different alphabets. Queen can't be spelled Kueen. It just would not sound right. King can't be spelled Qing, either.

As to Zainab: The tall woman respects me, And I do respect her back, just as much. Finally my Sunnah is the Sunnah of Muhammad (AS). He did not beat his wife. And the evidence is clear from the ahadith and his sirah. And the Quran did not say people should beat their wife; whether it is the Ikebe part that will now show or any other place.

Evidence: You can't "till" without grumbling, if you beat, just right before. And tilling, I like. The point that am making is that I don't really care for what a "Shelk or alim/Ulama" says, except it agrees with Muhammad (AS). No Ulama is a Nabi or Rasul. And I know whomy rasul and nabi (AS) is.

We have a decal here in USA that says: I follow anyone who is following Muhammad (AS) ahead of me. This very decal tells you without reading any subjective and personal meaning or interpretation to it, that when that same person deviates from following Muhammad (AS), even though he is ahead of you and you have been following him, earlier, you stop following him. And the only eason you stop and dont follow him any longer is that he has not followed the right course.

I will like to tell you 2 short stories before I give you my read of the "Bat your wife, " verse from the Quran. But remember that it says ligtly. The lightly is an injuction, a very important cautionary statement. Allah says in the Quran that those who are believers are those who get the "right" meaning of the Quran. And believers are in many gradiations. May Allah makes all muslims. males and females of us from the ranks of the best of believers. Amin.

1). About 10 years ago, an Indian Muslim who was working at a gas station to support himself and the family back home, got concerned about his not making Jumu'a prayers, every week. So he called his "Shelk" back in India. (Most people always associate themselves with shelk, I dont. All people are my shelk, as long as the have the right and useful knowledge. The shelk in India gave him a conclusion that it is permissable not to go to Jumu'a if it is not completely convenient, for whatever reason in this case, job. The shelk said this because he considered the money coming in from this guy (Allah knows the truth).

The same guy happenede to be concerned by it, still. So he asked another Imam here in USA. That Imam hearing what the India one said, was so angry and said that if he had heard or seen the Indian shelk, he will use his shoes to whack him in the head for giving such a bad advise. (Muslims compare the worst kind of people to dirty things; dogs, beating with shoes. The Iraqi journalsi must have been very angry enough that he threw shoes at the leader of the free world, last year).

2). The last ten days of the Ramadan of 2002, I spent it in a particlar Masjid. The Imam, with a Ph. D. from a recognizable Islamic University was giving a lecture about ablution. So he broke into telling us that there is dua when you wash your hands. A different one when you rinse your mouth. A different one, specifically for each part that you clean/purify! Everyone was shock, because we know that there is nothing like that, in Sunnah/Ahadith.

The following morning, he came back, hurridly to say that what he said yesterday wa wrong and people should not practice it. Many questions came to mind, immediately; What happens to those who heard it last nigh and are not here today? If they are transcient and new in Islam, they probably will take it as the honest truth. Itwill take another lecture in the future to wrestle that misinformation from their wu'du routine.

I asked myself, how was this Imam making his wu'du before this morning that he said hi advise the night before was wrong?

You see, no shelk knows everything, all the time in Islam. If there is, he would be equal in knowledge with the prophet. You know that is not possible. At least we dont have that in Islam. Maybe in your Christian religion, since even Paul's statements over ride that of Jesus. And Jesus statements over rides that of the earlier prophets in the Bible, according to you.

At least the scholars in Islam are not shy to speak out. They speak their mind, as much as they have of the knowledge of Islam, unlike the hypocrites in Christendom! At least we give the muslim scholars passing marks for efforts, even though they may be incorrect, when you compare them with the Control and excellent standard: What comes from my beloved Muhammad (AS).