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One party system can NOT work in a very complex and heterogeneous country like Nigeria, what you can have are realignment of political forces.

Eledan:
Still very senseless rants.
GEJ will be rueing the day he counted on your support, Buhari the old fox understands what this political prostutues from east are up to.
For the first time, they called upon Igbos mainstream political tendencies to lead the opposition and look at the mess they've turned it into.
You've effectively killed PDP and about to make NIGERIA a one party democracy.

Bros, you fail to understand that in Europe and in West Africa and in every where else, different Kingdoms and empires reign over a territories at different times but the land is the ONLY factor that remain constant.
800 years ago, there were no Countries called Netherlands, Sweden or Russia but the territories and the peoples were already in existence under different Kingdoms/Empires. Even, ethnicity is NOT FIXED!

Ikengawo:
It didn't for 2000 plus years?

Even today there are 8 nations that all speak german and are ethnically german but no united german. Somalia the same. It's not a guarantee and we're not in this discussion to speculate. Even today Yoruba land is not united. Trying to paint APC as a sign of a united Yoruba land is only buying into the propoganda of that political party for it's political ends, same for AGPA and igbos. Why Yorubas feel there needs to be a 'united yoruba' and igbos feel there needs to be a 'united igbo' when neither adds or minuses from anyone's standard of life or help them achieve their life goals is beyond me but there wasn't one before the british and there wasn't one after.


We were able to buy into the British identities of 'northerner' 'westerner' and 'easterner' and today you can say there are people in nigeria that are 'easterners' and so forth but what does that really mean other than a line draw in the air by politicians for politicians? I suppose I am an easterner, but I'm yet to realize how 'south east' or 'east' has impacted my daily life. My village has, a lot, because it's where I'm from, where I own land and where my family is located but outside of that what does "southeast" do for my standard of living or way of life?

You are wrong sir, the yorubas had a precolonial empire, OYO Empire which at its peak united most parts (not all) of the present Southwest Nigeria, most parts of Kwara,fringes of Niger State and some parts of Dahomey (the present day Republic of Benin)

Ikengawo:
Like I said, these names and ethnic groups are based on real things, but the keyword is based. The Yoruba have everything in the world needed to call someone an ethnic group. Common language, common culture, common fatih and a common origin belief. I mean as a political unit, even with these things in front of them, they didn't see each other as one united identity until the white man came and put them into a group called Yoruba based on the things i've listen above. Strangers can look at then and see similarities that they didn't see or acknowledge politically in themselves.




Look at europe. The entire continent has the same religion, the same race, the same culture (which minor details), a common origin, and the same course of history, but they among themselves call themselves Germans, French, English, Austrian, Dutch, Dannish etc

They have, culturally, more in common among each other than many tribes in Nigeria but they acknowledge their differences. Had Nigerians colonized europe and declared them to be one single tribe "Oyibo", you will gain more perspective on what I'm saying. They will suddenly say well we all speak latin-germanic derived languages (many of which are more similar than dialects of single languages in Nigeria), we're all white, we all have the same religion, we all have the same culture, we all essentially eat the same food, of course we're one 'ethnicity'.












The truth is most ethnic groups are named by their neighbors and only exist as a result of contrast. It was the Romans than named Germans Germans, English English, and French French, and based on these roman classification, loosely affiliated warring tribes suddenly built foundations on these identifications, and colonist did in Nigeria.

Don't expect the tone of pronunciation to remain the same when transmuting from one language to another language or from one dialect of the same language to another.

Hmmm, I have neva heard our eastern brodas pronqounced Igbo as yoruba igbo(bush), I have always heard them pronounced it as when a Yorubaman says somebody is using head to fight anoda person( o se ni igbo!)

Nooo, the bizzared people from 'Igbo' meaning forest who terrorized Ile-Ife then were a subset of the Ilaje peoples (they pronounced it in their dialect as Ugbo). They are now found in present day Ondo State.

I'm sorry ma, you can't claim to know so. Have you heard of Efunsetan Aniwura? Is that her name now? There was this Yoruba woman who volunteered and went as a spy to "Igbo" land when her people were being enslaved left right and center by some scary looking neighbours. I am still looking for the to link. I hope I didn't read it in a book!

Edit: The woman was Moremi of Ife and not Efunsetan of Ibadan. Error on my part.

The written Yoruba as standardized by Ayayi Crowther was based on his own native Oyo dialect with influence from the dialect of the town he worked, Egba thus written Yoruba is 99%Oyo and 10% Egba, that's why you see Ps 23 starting as 'Oluwa l'olusho aguntan Mi'

I am sure there would have been a name for the language they spoke before resettling. The name has unfortunately become lost in history.

C'mon, the fact that they have common ancestry presupposes they had a common language. The dialects only came about with time, interaction with other ethnic groups etc etc

Lol. Again, the highly revered bishop only anglicised/latinized, majorly, the Oyo spoken Yoruba. Just so you know, this Latinized Yoruba is not the one we speak on the streets of Lagos, it is most similar to that in Oyo, excluding the accent. Suffice to say Ajayi Crowther did not "create" this.

Even an Ibibio that doesn't support Biafra will be termed Afonja.

Blue3k:
Wrong phrase he's Ibibio not Yoruba.

Electricity is mainly generated from
1)Egbin thermal station, Lagos State
2) Hydroelectric stations at Kanji (Niger State),Jebba (Kwara), Shiroro hydropower Station 3) Papalantoro (Ogun State), Olorunshogo thermal plant

omoyowa:
which Nigeria own electricity......
Which southwest and northern state have gas?

You peoples are very funny sha, in one breath, you are calling someone terrible names and at the same time, you are still asking him to help you ( to tell his people in power to free you)!
See Ndigbos need more friends than enemies if they must succeed in political matters (I know some of you will start insulting me) and if you can't make friends, don't look for enemies

stinechykee:
Fool and coward Afonja then tell your useless and your stupid people in power to let them go na.Between you and then who are better fool

Did @Bolustic mention Igbo or any tribe in his post, how can you jump into conclusion that he was referring to your tribe?

projectking68:
mumu have you seen any igbo man beg you for president.. Ode.. How many Hausa Don die for that sit lol

You are free to go now, who are the people that are holding you not to go or do you need other people's permission to go?

projectking68:
then tell igbos to go we don't like north you don't like east. So why do you beg us to stay in this zoo

Don't mind them, its the gullible poor masses that get brainwashed with hate speech coming from radio Biafra and are shouting Biafra up and down on social media and street protests





quote author=Bolustic post=53147151]
See you, keep shouting hatred and secession while your elites Ifeanyi Ubah, Soludo, Ngige, Rochas, Orji Uzor Kalu, Ken Nnamani, Rochas) are teaming up with the Abokis and Yoruba you think they hate. Tell me the aforemetioned are not Ndigbos

It's only paupers that will think Nigerians truly hate themselves[/quote]

See their arrogance. ... 'Boro was in charge of a special commando of 1000 Ijaw men under Nigerian army when he was supposed to be fighting for Biafra'
It seems you guys are very naive to assume that if Biafra goes to war, every body / every communities/ tribes in and around Biafra must toe your line of reasoning and fight for your cause, wishing away the concept of free will.
You fail to understand that in every war, there are people who will not support the cause of the war and if the war threaten their existence, they will fight back or align themselves with the opposing party/army

dinachi:
An Ijaw governor of old Rivers State Alfred Diette Spiff was the one who endorsed the abandoned property issue. He formulated the policy and enforced it. So it was and still is an Ijaw agenda. Secondly Isaac Adaka Borro was in charge of a special commando force of 1000 Ijaw men under the Nigerian army, when he was supposed tobe fighting for Biafra. That is the height of betrayal.

If you are educated, you ought to know
1) that most of the oil companies are privately owned companies and not government parastatals that can be ran on zoning/federal character and be compelled to employed from pre- planned regions
2) In a Country with free trade, every company (including oil companies) is at liberty to site its headquarters anywhere, as a matter of fact, most of the oil companies are multinationals and have their HQs in London, Chicago, Texas, Paris etc. They only have branches in Nigeria.
3) Governments at all levels can lobby these oil companies to employ natives of oil producing areas where feasible and perform SCR
4) State Governments of the oil producing States through PPP can float their own oil companies that can prospect for , refine , distribute or market petroleum products. in this way, more of their peoples will have access to participate in the oil oil and gas industry.
5) Bro, its a lost cause, trying to paint certain peoples from a region of Nigeria as the oppressors of the Niger deltans by being the sole beneficiaries of the oil found in their domains.

Aegon:
I feel like taking you on this Sunday but on second thought I think it's not worth it. Boro was sentenced to death by the military, Ironsi rather let him live in prison, then during the war he was used and dumped and murdered by the same people since he's outlived his usefulness. Saro Wiwa was busy occupying Igbo mansions and investments in Port hacourt, who says Karma isn't a bitch.

I look at you and all I see is another ADAKA BORO who would still end in regret.

On second thoughts tomorrow monday somewhere in the Niger Delta, a good 45 years after the betrayal, Most of the oil blocs in belong to the Northerners, The management of the oil companies are mostly Yoruba's Their head office is in Lagos and they employ from there, your own people on the entrance gate of one of the multinationals a group of ijo boys with their CLO and Chiefs will try to gain Access into the facility for casual jobs without success. The Mopols will refuse them.

In another location soldiers will in a bid to destroy illegal refineries cause more environmental damage to your people.

Every man for himself.

If Port Harcourt is truly an Igbo city,why do Igbos have to fleed Port Harcourt and their properties confiscated, which were termed abandoned properties till today?
Can you have Igbo abandoned properties in Aba, Awka or Enugu?
Can you have Hausa abandoned properties in Sokoto/Kano?
Can you have abandoned Yoruba properties in Abeokuta or Akure?

So to you who are the people that owns pH that igbos should start protest to reclaim?

Noooo, they aren't POW but part of the old Oyo empire, they are related to the Yorubas in ancestry (read their history very well) but not Yoruba.
There has been great cultural assimilation over the last 250 years.

AloyEmeka9:
Ok, now I understand. So they were more like POW's?. Even though they consider themselves non Yoruba, does the Yoruba consider them as an ally or as one of the sons of Yoruba in this modern time because very few has the in depth knowledge of their history like you explained above?

Ethnic bigots are easy to find.
1) JAMB deal with admissions while NUC deal with university matters, even at that what's your source?
2)who did the ethnic-based census that showed that most students in the universities in the SW, SS arr Igbos?[quote author=Francis5 post=37094278][/quote]

Wrong analogy. The LSHA didn't pass any law that only Yoruba language should be the medium of communication in Lagos State but rather adopt of the State to conduct it deliberation along the official language of Nigeria.
Welsh , Irish and Scot languages enjoy similar status in the UK.
Every thing shouldn't been seen from primordial tribal prisms

ono:
- babasin.

Ok. These are the things the Niger Delta States wants:

1. No communication on oil exploitation/expolration in any locality should be in English. It must be in the local dialect of the area. For example, if you're in the Ogoni area, you must speak Ogoni language in order for you to have access to the oil wells. If you're in Urhobo terrain, you must speak Urhobo before you can open any oil/gas tap in the area.

2. No oil should be taken from any of the Niger Delta lands without the consent of the local people of the area. All proceeds from oil/gas sales from any area must be accounted for and brought before the local council for due deliberation on how it must be shared.

I believe I'm speaking the mind of my Niger Delta brothers, rite?

That's the depth of their arrogance. Only God can claim some people can't survive without him, every other person/people is dispensable.

matrixme:
I thought the thread was about Oil exploitation facts in Nigeria, not an Igbo domineering contest thread. The sooner this Biafran nation comes up, the better for everyone. SMH! I have never seen so much bitterness spewed with much enthusiasm. You people always magnify this vain ego like a god. I look forward to the mass exodus to your Biafra to see what we will by ourselves do. Quite funny to think we can't survive without you, with the depth of our civilization. Do you think we are Ibibios?

Hmn

MrEverest:
Dont mind them, these Nigerians in their myopia think that everybody is as gulible as them. Nnamdi Kanu is as passionate about Biafra as a radicalized islamist who has been promised 77 virgins. These Nigerians always allow their imagination to becloud their sense of reasoning & you see them talking nonsense like Igbos are fighting because GEJ lost. IPOB are protesting out of hunger & unemployement. Biafra is a media creation & is being sponsored by pdp & bla bla bla.

All hail the expert, the professor of and solution provider to 'Yoruba problems'
So you are more intelligent than all the Yorubas put together?
Secede peacefully from Nigeria and leave the Yorubas to worry about their problems

Cjrane2:
Well yoruba can survive if regionalism is instituted in Nigeria. If you imagine Cote d'Ivoire is the fastest growing economy in Africa and all they have is cocoa. Not half as much human resources as yorubaland nor economic clout of Lagos.

The problem with yoruba is so much fear of the unknown .so they take any sh.t they are given in Nigeria out of fear

You are going insane and obviously know nothing about Nigeria beyond beer parlour talk.
1) There are millions of northerners that are Christians, how come the northern Government have not made all northerners Muslims?
2) Apart from the N/west, Bauchi and Yobe States, most other northern States are mixed between Christianity and Islam.
3) Benue, Plateau and Taraba are predominantly Christians. Nasarawa, Adamawa and Kaduna States are about 60-40. Gombe,Niger,Kogo and Borno have about 25% Christian population.
4) Even in the Arab world, they are millions of Arab Christians such that today, 10-12% of Egyptians and about 8% of Qataris are Christians

36xtr69r:
C'mon, get out and go play with your mates in the sand of squalor and penury!

Useless, lying hypocrites everywhere in Wasteland...


See one of the vital reasons Yorubas desparately want Easterners to remain in this fraudulent union with them - a true confession from a Yoruba Christian: https://www.nairaland.com/2645916/igbos-reason-nigeria-never-split-jayfolarin:

"...I have to say this though, I believe the igbos create a sort of religion balance in the Nigerian system. This is very needed in the system as Nigeria will most likely be an islamic state without the igbos' major Christian population. I am a yoruba christain and will certainly not be comfortable with having the North and southwest as a country together without the inclusion of the Igbos. There are a reasonable number of Muslims in Yorubaland and I know that a southwest + North-only country will have the number of Muslims overshadow the Christians. The Islam religion with its usually overbearing tendencies (sorry) will want to lord it over minority Christians. I certainly won't be comfortable with this and i'm sure a lot of Yoruba christains won't be too. I seriously don't want to experience what it could be like for Nigeria without the Igbos.

... Nobody is going anywhere!!!"

Now, I know you need help!
1) What's the percentage of yoruba people that are on nairaland and out of this, what proportion are against Biafra?
2) It may interest you to know that very few Yorubas ,indeed non-Igbo Nigerians below 45years really know 'what is Biafra' let alone be against it.
Biafra is only very well known in the SE/SS.
[ quote author=36xtr69r post=46519985]

A group of confused beings who are barely existing cannot dictate to another on how to go about self-determination.

You don't need to feign ignorance of the shameless manner many Yorubas run amok on every available media page with anti-Biafr* slogans, earning a living on pay-per-post basis, just to attempt to quench the call for self-determination by Igbos...[/quote]

How are yorubas fighting tooth and nail to be in the same country with you or stopping you from seceding?
Your bitterness against the Yorubas is based on so many wrong assumptions,like all bigots do.

36xtr69r:
Is it not stupidity for Yorubas to be fighting tooth and nail to share a country with these same Igbos?

Multitude of Igbos have maintained that they are not interested in sharing a country with murderous parasites cum treacherous backst*bbers.

You lots should channel your negative energies towards consolidating your OduaArewanistan republic. Leave Igbos out of your miseries.

This man is filled with bile and it appears, it has affected the way he thinks.
There over 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria, why do you single out only Yoruba as the cause of all your woes, isn't that a form of delusion of persecution, the beginning of insanity?

36xtr36r:
Here's a message from a Nigerdeltan to the shameless parasites in the South:

WombRaiders:
Yoruba wants one Nijeriya because they are afraid of having us in the better south ( ND and SE) Leave them alone with ab0ki.

It is not just a matter of financial exigency but a matter of survival.

For all the hatred they show towards the Ibos, the Yoruba needs the Ibo to thwart any jihad from the north.

So to my Ibo brothers and sisters, what I can conclude from this yoruba madness and obsession towards Biafr@ movement is actually shrouded in deep fear of being left alone with their northern masters.

Adeboye will be converted to Islam. Tunde Bakare will return back to Islam.

The Yoruba is actually throwing tantrums over Biafr@ because they need YOU IBOS to remain to protect them just as they need us in the ND to keep feeding them.

The Yoruba is an ingrate coward!

:
Seed of defiance.

You can not undo God's wrath. For to long you bastards have lived off the blood of the innocent. You sat back and watched the killing of innocent christians in the hands of your bokos and used it for political gain.

Now, GOD will reward you bastards with His vengence.

Nemesis is coming and by this time next year a Christian Republic will rise from the Bight of Biafr*.

:
You can keep labelling me an ibo and making every excuse for your inconsequential existence on ibos but the truth remains that the ND and SE will not subsidize you no more.

KEEP BELIEVING IN THE FACADE CALLED ONE NIJIRIYA 

SLAVE

https://www.nairaland.com/2730005/last-least-yoruba-punk-assess

Bros, there is nothing like oil producing Igbo's or Yorubas .
The oil companies extracting the oil, mostly multinationas are the real owners of the oil and they only pay royalty to the FG which is then shared.
You guys can come together to form massive oil companies that can play big in the oil industry, instead of ranting online without benefiting anything.

blackmatter007:
You dont just get it, we are not foisting anything, we are part and parcel of the niger delta.

The etches, ndokis, ikwerre, aniomas etc are all oil producing igbo groups located in the niger-delta.

What is wrong with you yorubas, why the hate and envy, what will you gain by doing this.

1) Awolowo was never President of Nigeria, so many things outside the South west which some ethnic bigots attribute to him were simply impossible
2) Awolowo died about 30years ago, so how can he still be the cause of the problems of peoples, who were never ruled by him
3) Awolowo was only Premier of Western Region in the 1950s under colonial rule and minister of finance from 1967 to 1971

Is Dangote supposed to chose his economic advisers and dependable leiftunants on federal character?

topsyking:
no ibo

Why should they be stronghold of Christianity? They are Israeli cities, the citizens are free to practice any religion they like.

Demmzy15:
Why not tell this to Parisbookaddict aka Ifeann this^^^ Many of the Israelis are Europeans who don't care about you, so you need not to wail come my side.

True2god can you honestly show me any book on genetics that claims Arabs are close to Caucasians?

To clear your doubts, many of the Muslims in Palestine(Bethlehem, Nazareth, etc) were Jews and Samaritans that reverted.

There's something you don't understand about Islam, everything is beyond racism. During the time of Prophet Muhammad(saw) a black man at the age of 17years led an army of Arabs, Persians, etc. But whatever you stated above doesn't change the fact that Muslims are majority in those cities which should be strongholds of Christianity!!!

They won't ,rather they will turn it to a Christianity Vs Islam' argument as if anybody who scrutinize their religion must be a Christian or doing so from the prism of Christianity.

masseratti:
I think you raised a valid point, honestly little is known about Mohammed Pbuh, I think Muslims should really ask questions about the authors of the koran and all the hadiths the hadiths contradict themselves alot, some choose to believe some others another, the printing press brought an end to the dark ages in Europe the people had access to the bible in various languages apart from latin And the people asked difficult questions, now We have koran and hadiths translated into languages people can now ask questions, Muslim scholars on nairaland should not run away from the op questions, there must be answers

Good, you are very correct. Clap for yourself.Are you happy now?

limeta:
I have a ting for strong people
Igbo,s are strong people
Afonja,s are getting weaker day after day.

Must you bring Yoruba to ALL your problems and every discussion affecting your tribe?
Why don't you always mention Ijaws, TIVS ,Nupe or Kanuri?
Can't you argue your case without mentioning Yoruba?

eduson55:
come to think of it,so igbo's have been banned from a part of Nigeria which they claim is one?
its not fair oo.
maybe tomorrow,Yoruba's will start theirs and we still hover around calling ourselves Nigerians where as we have been
literally and politically deprived of the nationality.