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thoth:
My wife once said that the Bible can also be called "Advanced 419 for PROFESSIONALS" , i never argued with that.
There are many things wrong with this point of view "Perhaps God created us through originating new species over time, who knows." i would love to ask you , does all Christians believe this assertion or is it just you ? you can't treat a fundamental concept in isolation because of no other reason than that it is FUNDAMENTAL, the whole concept of the Abrahamic God and it's supremacist notions were built on this single DOGMA, Christians will attack you for entertaining such a heretic idea. First, Even if we choose to accept it the Christians don't so therefore it is useless to even think of such.Secondly, taking up such idea removes you from the Christian Creationist platform to the Atheist Evolutionism. so which are you now , Christian or Atheist ?

1 day = 1 billion years,(Maybe) ...if a day from the Bible can be twisted to not mean a month but a Billion Years then the Bible is just a piece of erroneous trash, it means anything the bible says can mean ANYTHING that it DIDN'T say. Jesus healing the sick might mean that he ate apple or even slapped the sick man, Moses dividing the red sea might mean that Moses urinated into a bowl and had every jew drink from it. or anything any Scammer/Pastor thinks would make him a dollar faster.


What Happend to our(your) Senses ? One loses his senses once he becomes a christian thats why they would give 10% of their earnings,eat grass and even leave their husbands for Pastors, BUT not all of us are Christians so some of us still have our senses intact . so when we say someone is dead he is dead.

The Bible again This same Bible again can we try to explain things without referencing this book please ? cus the atheist won't ever be convinced of any proposition whose validity rests with the Bible. It's like telling a Muslim that the Bible does not condemn eating Pork without asking what his OWN book which is the Koran talks about the same Issue. The Bible never proved anything, it never talks about facts, only rubbish, Moses divided the red sea, Jesus resurrected the dead, turned water into wine, etc....all these things can't be proved, but cold hard facts like the Pyramids of Egypt, a world wonder which has marveled all mankind was NEVER talked about in the Bible, not even just a MENTION, and these are things we can readily prove.

Metaphysics can not be explained or discussed in religious context, it becomes self-contradictory and trivial, reason, metaphysical phenomenons are not attached to any single religion, from Buddhism to African Traditional Religion, Christianity to Islam,all project metaphysical experiences to impose his own God on the other. Hence i would ignore this point.

Does all christians believe that God created man through originating new species?
Right now, very few educated christians believe that.
When galleleo in his time told the church the earth is spherical. Very few christians believe that. But today, nobody doubt it. So leave it, time will tell.

That scripture says
One day is with THE LORD(God, not humans) as a thousand years..
God is a spirit and may not necessarily follow 24 hours time configuration in his activities, including his creation process.
For humans, one day remains 24 hours in this physical world.
The bible is very specific and objective in it's statements, it's just because everything have to be compressed and fitted into one book, and anyone reading it will need to expandtiate or interprete. In a bid to interprete the book over time, a lot of religious leaders commit a lot of error
So, i will not blame you for saying the bible is erroneous. It's how religion has presented the book to us.

What happen to our senses?
If spirits exist we cannot perceive them with our senses that's what i meant.
Not that we cannot use our senses in this physical word. Remember, the analogy is between spirits and the physical.
So, anyone saying we should not use our senses to determine whether paying tithe is good or not, or not using our sense to observe the excesses of pastors to become a mumu sheeple. That person is a lair .

Do not deprive Muslims or adherents of other religions to quote out the truth from their holy books. Infact most of the truths found in the bible are also found in other holy books.
The most important thing is, let the truth be spoken.

Metaphysical phenomenon is not attached to any one religion but all religions and educational institutions,That's very true.
It's a general study everyone want to know about.
That's why christianity will explain spirits. Islam, African traditional religions, Budhaism, Judaism, atheism, educational institutions are not excluded.

virus05:
You know whites don't pay tithes by relaxing in your poor home?? You think only Nigerians pay tithes? Okay, keep talking I'm happy you're also among the black monkeys

The earlier you grow up the better for you.
I say most churches currently in England don't collect tithe anymore,They do not talk about it at all. Rather, collections are only made to support the needly. I know exactly what I'm talking about.
If you have any relation over there, ask this say question.

You remember sometime ago, living faith church in England was closed down. Later, they were given back their license to operate. You never bother to find out what conspired?
You are here in Nigeria promoting religion with your little finance.
Your schools are decaying.

I sorry sorry o
I sorry for Nigeria

thoth:
I will like to put a sort of scenario to you, What if i am a good christian and i lived the christian life which would assure me of the afterlife, and then i died and there's no afterlife, then i have lost the good life that i should have enjoyed, which i am sure i could have enjoyed but wasted.
Now if i was a good Atheist and enjoyed my life, drank, stole, bleeped, smoked and enjoyed power and the pecks that comes with it, then i died and there was no afterlife, then i have made use of my life.

Now if an afterlife exists then as well i have really nothing to lose since i have enjoyed my life, that way i am sure i did not lose out on the game, since the game is either enjoy this life or enjoy the next life, if you enjoy this life you will not enjoy the next life(if it exists), if you waste this life you MIGHT enjoy the next life. I see no profit in losing what i already have for something i might not have. Then comes the little technicalities, what if after living the useless Christian life and then God said that because you watched that porn once or fantasized about fucking that girl you met on the street, that you have committed a big sin and you will go to hell and JOIN US....hahahahaha i will beat you in hell eeeeh, even God will not recognize you after 2 hours.

The whole Christianity thing is just rubbish.

You are very funny,
Obtaining external life is not about living a special kind of life style as most christians put it.
It's about believing in Christ that's all. John 3:16.
So, it does not really matter how you live your life.
If you like, drink, smoke, carry women, they will never affect God in anyway and his promise of eternal life to you the moment you believe.

But if any of these things will have any negative impact then you will have to face it yourself.
For instance, if you steal and you are caught, you may be killed.
If you smoke excessively and you end up having tuberculosis, you will go down with the disease.
If you carry women and end up contracting HIV, You will go down with the disease.
it means you are not truly enjoying because there are consequences for each of these actions which makes them sinful.
They will only end up killing you quickly and you die to live again(may be this time, you avoid these same mistakes that killed you as a christian).

So, the best way to enjoy life is to keep to simple rules and avoid sin(whether you are christian or not). And whether you will meet eternal life or not after you die as a christian atleast you have enjoyed your life on earth before you die, by living to rules and keeping laws of nature.

But the truth according to the bible is that, in christianity, there is nothing like you committing sin and sin now takes you to hell like non christians, It's not possible.
Why then was Christ crucified?

Heywhizzy:
heaven on earth

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In this heaven on earth, there are fraudstars, that's what freeze is fighting.

Personally, I wish that the inhabitants of this heaven should be wise for once, because their mumu don do!
Can't they leave these fraudsters called pastors and read their bible to their understanding?
We are not saying don't give to pastors, but if they were told that if they don't give then they are robbing God, and they give out of that fear that they don't want to rob God, then that is a clear fraud

Lucasiangrey:
For?...I don't think you understood me.


You don't have to be sorry ...Atheism is freedom... I am though a secular humanist ...I don't think anything like the spiritual exist ...If there is a creator of the universe (which is very unlikely) then he doesn't interfere with the universe in any way...He doesn't heal the sick , he doesn't make one rich , in fact he does nothing and hence doesn't exist or not useful .... i stand to be corrected, anyway ..but of course , with proof .




Since one don't know everything , do we fill all blanks now with God?....Well , one may not be 100% sure about the existence of God but what do you think about the Russel's teapot ?...



P.N Okeke physics contributed more to my life than any "holy book"...Which God are they probing its existence ?.....


If I tell you I was once a serious christian , Read the whole Bible ....Prayed with general overseer of a church( a startup...lol ) ...saw visions during prayers , handled a complete church service as a minister at the age of 14 or 15 ...You will either say I am lying or I was never a true christian...Brother , start asking yourself serious questions or just proof to me once and for all that jehovah exists (Elijah did it against the prophets of baal ...painful , I wasn't there)

Ok,
You are athiest then.
It's OK, it's your choice
I wount doubt you if you say you were once a christian.
As for the Russell's tea pot, Russell is absolutely correct.
But the problem is not about bring evidence that God exist, the problem has always been people(especially non christians) reasoning along with the available evidence which is only scriptural and not science based.

So, if you can reason along, just follow this post you will see what I'm talking about.
There is nothing hidden under the sun

If you were truly conversant with your bible while you were christian and not just playing religion, you will agree with me that
Hebrews 11:1 says Now faith is the substance(something tangible that we can feel, see, hear about, perceive) of things hoped for, THE EVIDENCE of things not seen(because God is not seen).
That simply means that faith is the evidence of God existence.

Now, what is faith?

In the context of the new covenant through Christ, faith is christianity on earth, which is something we can hear about, see and feel.

Faith cometh by hearing...

Faith is what Jesus refers to as God's kingdom on earth in all his parables.

Now, he put one of his parables this way.

Mark 4:31-32 It is like a grain of mustard seed(referring to the kingdom of God or christianity), which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds(other religions that came before christianity) that be in the earth:
But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs(all religions), and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air(gentiles which includes adherents all over the world apart from the Jews) may lodge under the shadow of it(this same christianity).

Jesus put this parable toward before he was crucified and shortly after his resurrection, there were just only120 adherents who were practicing the christian faith. Acts 1:15.
which I'm very sure that number was much less than the numbers of adherents of other religions as at that time. Which refers to what Jesus meant by

"....when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds"

Now, Google it.
Which religion has the highest number of adherents today in the world?
You will find out it is christianity!!
Which refers to what Jesus meant by

"....But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs"

Now, assuming Jesus was a fictional character, how come this same fictional character of 2000 years ago was able to predict what will happen today, such that we can Google it and see it ourselves?

That's a very big metaphysical question for the athiests that the whole world need to hear.

Because, certainly there is a power behind that, which i think it was responsible for all the miracles we have read in the bible.
I'm not counting the miracles i have personally seen. But this particular one..?
There is nothing athiests can do to explain it.

Russell's tea pot is absolutely right my brother

Zanas:
I am proudly a sheep #ProudSheep #LeaveUsTheSheeple

THE BOOK OF JOHN chapter 10

10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Like John 10:5 said, Freeze and co. Are the voice of strangers and I can't follow them because I don't know their voice. I know the voice of my Shepherd and It is Him I will follow

You are very wrong.
If you understand the story behind this scripture,
The voice of strangers there reffers to the voice of the scribes and Pharisees who opposed people from following Jesus in order to obtain eternal life, not any daddy freeze.

Was daddy freeze mentioned in that scripture?
Why are you now quoting the scripture to add daddy freeze into the story?

Seriously, you are devil.
Go check yourself

emusmithy:
"Leave Us The Sheeples (LUTS)" Campaign: By Emusmithy


The essence of this thread isn't to make anyone believe in the POWER and PURPOSE of TITHING. Mba!


It's to reveal to the entire followers of Freeze that they are only fighting a lost battle.


WHY WE TITHE:

Malachi 3:8-10 says so all about it. You can look it up Bible students.

Did Jesus personally command it? Oh yeah. He said, 'I have come to FULFIL THE LAW' not to abolish it. The law of Tithing, inclusive.


Freeze Vs Judas Is Carriot

The TAP(Tithe Against Poverty) Challenge didn't start today.

Jesus was going to be crucified. Mary Magdalene bought very expensive perfume to rub on His feet. JUDAS IS CARRIOT STOOD AND SAID, "MASTER, Men of God shouldn't be allowed to use such expensive perfs(cars, jets, suits, accessories, universities etc) Let's sell it and give to the poor. JESUS SAID, LEAVE HER ALONE JUDAS. YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE POOR WITH YOU. Most importantly, the BIBLE that searches the heart revealed, HE SAID THIS NOT BECAUSE HE CARED FOR THE POOR but because HE WAS A THIEF!

My people, Scripture is been fulfilled before your very eyes. Is this not same thing FREEZE is doing? He is a thief, biblically speaking.

To his followers: HAS Freeze RECENTLY GIVEN TO THE POOR AND THEN LET US KNOW? Or is he broke? A leader should lead by example na.


To his followers:

- Is there anyone (strong believer) you know who has stopped tithing because of Freeze? Let's see the person otherwise you're wasting Precious MB.


- If you were not tithing before, you haven't been scammed. Why are you bothered about US SHEEPLES that have been scammed and loving it.


- Are you now too concerned and caring about us SHEEPLES? WE ARE OKAY THE WAY WE ARE.


TO ALL TITHING and "soon-to-be" TITHERS in all these local assemblies:

-Living Faith Church
-Christ Embassy
-Hilltop Church
-RCCG
-Dominion City
-Apostolic
-Catholic
-Coza
-House on the Rock
-Anglican
-OFM
-MFM
-CHURCH OF CHRIST etc.


For once, LET'S TELL FREEZE AND HIS FOLLOWERS TO "Quit Ranting", THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO BE CALLED "SHEEPLES".


'Their Painment'

- Men of God, anointed vessels whom God called out of their comfort zones are doing well financially and fulfilling Scripture that says...


Psalms 89:27
Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.


The unusual authority and influence these men have is a concern to the devil and the 'kings of the earth.'- the naysayers.


BUT THAT'S ONLY THE BEGINNING. WHY?


Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house (The CHURCH) shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills (THE WORLD SYSTEM); and all nations shall flow unto it.

They'll soon flow into it- they're just making shakara. They want to know what is responsible for our influence but too proud to admit.


#droppen.


- LIKE and SHARE IF YOU ARE A TITHER and won't quit for no internet rant because you know how far He has taken you from grass to GRACE via your covenant practice.




- LEAVE US THE SHEEPLES (LUTS) CAMPAIGN!!!


I was born a sheeple...
I didn't choose my people
Can a sheep bark, out?
Like you want us to back out?

It's effortless! LUTS Campaign!

Lalasticlala, This is our voice!

#ttcc
#tithertillchristcomes

On top of a religion where even the whities who brought christianity to Africa do not pay tithe anymore in their countries?
Now í truly know that black monkeys like you do exist

thoth:
Don't try to individualize a social problem, Americans do this a lot and now Christians too, I am not the primary factor that decides the validity of your claim, rather every individual really wants to do what the Christians abhor, hence they threaten one with hell fire.

we did not create ourselves..fact. Christians can't prove how God created us...fact, Christians die same way atheists and pagans die......another fact.
Now who is trying to scam who ?

Perhaps God created us through originating new species over time, who knows.
Yes, the bible recorded it took one day( figuratively referring to billions of years).

Afterall,
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that ONE DAY is with the Lord as A THOUSAND YEARS...

And Perhaps the term "one day" was chosen, due to lark of understanding of evolution by humans as at that time, which i think the term "one day" was the most suitable way to communicate to primitive man back then as at the time when these things were recorded.
Because men were truly primitive compared to this modern day.

Today christians may not be able to put it this way to your understanding because it's not everyone that can think to put all these facts in consideration.

Yes, christians die the same way as anyone else, that's what we see and judge without our senses. But beyond death, the bible explain what happens in the spirit realm.
Like i said before, whether the bible is true or not, it does not change how we perceive things.
And whether our perceptions are right or wrong they still do not disprove the bibles explanations. And the problems of metaphysics remains and will continue to remain like that forever

Hence, all we do is simply believe as the word comes for our todays benefits

Lucasiangrey:
you are very fortunate you came from a christian family ...congrats...I just feel sorry for those that are from a Muslim family , since they most likely will act like you ;"read the quran , discern the seeming truth from the lies , discard the lies and go with the truth and hence smartly become a muslim"...Or what do you think? .....By the way , how did you get to the conclusion that I am an atheist?...what are the faulty ideas in atheism ?.

Thanks!!
And, sorry for referring to you as and atheist if you are not one.
Atheism agrees they do not know everything, yet they strongly oppose that God exist as if they are 100% sure.
Not that they have some holy book that link to some spirits which tells them what to believe, but they based their assertion on physical methologies, scientific experimentation and human reasoning and experiences.
meanwhile the God they are trying to probe it existence through these physical methods is a spirit which do not appear in a physical form but lives in man.
This kind of experimentation, human experiences and reasoning leads to falsehood when it comes to whether people should be idealists or materialists.

However, i do not dispute that scientific experimentation, human reasoning and experiences do help humans through knowledge and understanding undertake the right decisions in life, all I'm saying is, their relevance are limited to only this physical life and our five senses.

hopefulLandlord:
I'm just humouring you right now

There are NO evidence the spiritual exists either
I'll just pretend you didn't say the above cuz its too illogical and self defeating

this is bad presentation, you should've cited the verse(s) that predicted Christianity would have billions of adherents
I'm yet to see the relevance of these

don't even go there or I'll go nuclear on you, never talk about the moral argument with me, you'll wish you didn't
so?

I'm not disputing that currently, we don't have immoral christians inspite the moral principles of the bible. You will win that one if that's the argument.

But all I'm saying is, do not allow what you see in christianity today makes you take the wrong decision.

God is real, if he is not you will never hear anything about religion on earth

Lucasiangrey:
why should a book inspired by a perfect god be controversial?...are u a christian as a result of believing in the bible Or you are a christian,so you have to(must) believe in the bible?.

First, I'm a christian because i was born into a christian home.
But I still have to read the bible to confirm what i was told by my parents and pastors, some of which i soon discover that they were not true.

The fault is not from the bible, but from what i was told by humans who were trying to interprete the bible to their own understanding.

I have to discard the ones i saw that they were not true and maintain the ones that are true.

The same thing applies to your atheism too. There are ideas in your athiesm that are faulty, you will have to discard them.
And that will require you being very objective

thoth:
you see why i stay away from Christians cus when they try to scam you and it didn't they will try to take by force from you. My life belongs to me and given to my by anybody.
How will you that i have a life and then in the same statement tell me that i don't have a life cus it belongs to someone ?so if someone doesn't want to give his life to Christ you guys will forcefully claim it, just like that ?
Christianity remains the biggest scam on earth.
there's nothing positive about the Christians, sorry o.

That's your own personal opinion, perhaps based from your experiences.
But it's not all that may have your kind of experiences.
No one is forcing anyone to believe this modern day again.
We believe because we did not create ourselves. Certainly, we will die someday, something we can't control.

May be you can control yours, you can stop yourself from dying when the day comes that's why you are saying your life belongs to you

1Sharon:
You gon learn today

I have seen it, i have learnt.
Is it not the mathematician who developed the Pascal triangle used to solve complex polynomials?

hopefulLandlord:
I call it a "claim" another logic fail if we go with this, let's see.....
We can't see flying pigs does not mean that they do not exist.

We can't see Bigfoots does not mean that they do not exist.

We can't see dragons does not mean that they do not exist. those entities up there exists too...

please, tell us those prophesies being fulfilled today that hadn't been fulfilled beforehmmmmm

When i say God exist, i meant in the spirit realm not in this physical world. Now, that is beyond imagination. Like i say, there are evidences which are miracles and religion.
But you can't categorize flying pigs, dragons, bigfoots, etc as spirits simply because you have never seen them before. If what you have never seen before is not having any impact on earth how then do you know they exist?
It's not possible.

But again, God is having great impacts on earth. That's why religions have been in existence as long as the history of mankind

Christianity came on board approximately 2000 years ago starting with just 120 adherents. Within just only 2000 years billions of adherents are found all over the world.
Now,thats fulfillment of a prophecy of the bible.

You remember the error of Galeleo involving the Roman catholic?
It did not stop christianity from growing.

How about Charles Darwin's postulates?
They only help us to know more, they didn't stop the growth of christianity and impacts of God on earth.

I bet you, so many moral codes used by athiests today were gotten from the bible.

So..

Lucasiangrey:
hmmm...you believe that someday,stars will "fall unto the earth".(rev 6:12-14). ?

I don't believe that!
Are stars smaller than the earth?
Certainly, churches are misinterpreting revelation 6.
That's not what it meant

thoth:
Bleep! what's wrong with this guy ? What life do you HAVE to enjoy as a Christian ? Christians don't even have a life!
if i am a Christian then i am already dead cus am no longer living, what kind of odd is that ? Jeeesu!
if you have this kind of odd in bet9ja will you play it ?

You are not being realistic in your acertion.
Your ticket go cast o,
The saying that christians do not have life on their own but the life of God implies that God gave us the life to live for him. That means our lives are meant to create positive impact on earth, not that christians don't have life.

If i don't have life who is now responding to you?
Ghost?

Can ghost type on nairaland?

Anyway, this is just to let athiests know at the back of their mind that fanatism is practiced by dull religionists.
We have so many fanatics and dull religionists in christianity. Inspite their dull state they were wise enough to believe that God exist in order to obtain life again after they die.

But as wise as atheists think they can be (so many of them are so wise, not as foolish as many religionists). They failed to obtain life after they die
It's a pity situation

hopefulLandlord:
a promise being good to you and you wishing it were true does not make it true
I deposited 35,000,000,000 into your account, you'll access the money when you believe it hard enough

There are flying pigs that said they'll fly next week and incinerate anyone who doesn't believe they exist with their fire, better believe it so you do don't get turned to ashes

does that make flying pigs convincing?

You may call it imagination.
But it is far more than real. We can't see spirits does not mean that they do not exist.
God exist!
I have seen his miracles before, including his prophecies of the bible which was written years ago being fulfilled today, something no one can explain.
So, it's beyond mere imagination

Ranchhoddas:
At your age OP.

You still dey carry Pascal Wager Upandan...

What's Pascal wanger whatever??
Explain

hopefulLandlord:
you want me to tell you the title of your own thread?

The title is the summary, but at the end of the post i mentioned that.
Whether what the bible says is true or not, it is reasonable to to say let it is be so, because the promise of life after death is a good promise.

It's like someone promise you that a good gift is somewhere for you. You can only access the gift only when you believe it is true that the gift is there.

And you are doubting even when you are not 100% sure that what the person is saying is not true.
Is there wisdom there?
Be sincere

hopefulLandlord:
you think someone doing his gods command in order to enter heaven where 72 virgin girls are waiting for him to enjoy would be sad detonating his suicide vest?

He will be more than sad detonating it.
Can't he get 200 virgins while still alive?
Is it that he must loose his life before he can get what is everywhere while he is alive?

[quote author=hopefulLandlord post=63496858][/quote]You only saw the video but you can never tell if they happy dying or not.

As a matter of fact, the only reason why they committed the suicide it's because they were simply hopeless

hopefulLandlord:
The conclusion is derived from a premises and I've shown how fallacious they are so the conclusion doesn't follow

BTW I did say in my post that I have a dumb brain

If i may ask,
What's the conclusion?
You should know what the conclusion is, before saying it do not follow the premises

thoth:
I had always wondered how a black man in his right mind would ever present himself as a Christian. I am not an atheist but the notion of Christianity still appears as the most stupid dogma ever sold to mankind. No matter how one tries to defend it, whether part of it or in whole, it's absurdness glares at you from all corners.
let's look at OP's assertion for a while, A certain Unseen God is meant to provide "extra life" after we must have spent the one that nature offers, only if we believe in him, what the OP has failed to tell us is what it means to "Believe in the Christian God". An atheist is a realist as most core atheists has shown and observing that the atheist logic unlike it's Christian counterpart does has anything (faith,miracle,superstition etc) to fall to except cold hard logic, he understands that to believe in the Christian god simply means "HAVING NO LIFE" because the Christian dogma simply took everything that is enjoyable in this life and added a prefix of "DON'T" , thus we were served the COMMANDMENT.
So how can i bet what i already have for something i am not sure i can have after ?
Is it not more plausible that i should drink to my fill, Bleep to my fill, cheat to my fill, enjoy life to the extreme knowing fully well that i had made use of what i was given by God(if such exists) than to bet all away ?
Ask yourself in this sort of bet what does the Christian God lose ? what did he even put on the table ? you bet the life you already had and the one you might have , he bets nothing. only a fool will agree to such scam.

In christianity you don't need to bet what you already have.
You have your life to enjoy, but christianity offers you another chance to live again after you die.
You accept the offer you live again.
You reject the offer you don't live again.
It's as simple as that.

But whether it is true or not that a God exist who gives the offer, it's not something we can carry out a scientific test to ascertain, so no one can tell.

But as the word comes we accept it like that, peraventure it end up true after we die.

That's the wisdom athiests lark

hopefulLandlord:
This is hasty conclusion

1. atheism does NOT state anything about happens after we die

2. There's absolutely NO evidence for existence of "Soul"

refer to number 2 above

this statement does not follow the previous so its non sequitur

so do Muslims, Hindus even said they'll come back to live another life

your point is?
there are people on both sides who disagree that life is good so this is fallacy of composition

There are people who want to die, your thinking is extremely fallacious

this still doesn't follow, I may commit suicide to save my loved ones, I may decide to jump on a grenade thrown at me and my family while we were gathered at dinner table

this is wishful thinking and circular reasoning

you're using the Bible to prove the Bible while pretending all other religious books that have claims about origin of life don't exist/are wrong by default


guy, please try to get yourself some knowledge on logical fallacies cuz I honestly don't think a learned person could've said what you just said (no offense meant)

how does "I don't know what it is" = "This is what it is?"

how does lack of knowledge of afterlife prove heaven and hell are real?

lack of knowledge as far as my dumb brain is concerned is lack of knowledge, you don't get to make up myths to fill that gap and then turn around and say the myth is true cuz there's a gap

why aren't you serving Vishnu then? after all you might reincarnate and live another life

isn't it foolish to doubt Vishnu and Krishna especially when you don't know what will happen after you die?

isn't it foolish to doubt Allah especially when you don't know what will happen after you die?

isn't it foolish to doubt Odin especially when you don't know what will happen after you die?


I would've been disappointed in your writeup even if I were a Christian and that's saying much

BTW the dumbest atheists I personally know are up there with the smartest Christians

Guy you funny o
You responded to my post step after step (a very good nairaland user). But each of your response is a conclusion to the particular step in question without necessarily minding the summary of the whole post and you are taking about fallacy inbetween?

You should have read everything and summarize and know exactly what I'm driving at, in order for you to know whether i committed any fallacy or not.

No wonder everything in the post to you is fallacy, fallacy, fallacy as if na only you go school know wetin fallacy be.

For instance, i made a statement
wisdom demands that we take decisions that will end up profiting us at the long run.

which correlates very well with my other statement.

What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul.

Because, looking at the two statements,(let me break it down since you can't understand)
gaining the whole world is the same thing as achieving your whatever goals on earth before death.
Now, after death, all what you have achieved you have lost them to someone else. Therefore, to you at that point, all your efforts and achievements do not profit you any longer.
And if coming back to life the second time is a decision to make, it will be a right decision. Better than remaining dead.
That was why i say wisdom demands that we take the right decision that is profitable.

Do you now see how the two statements follow?
Before you quick to shout non sequitor as if you go your school for Jupiter .
Because, its like you want everything to be broken down to your understanding.
You can't always get that.

Anyway, i have said my own, what you don't know ,you don't know period.
Christianity can never never be Buddhism, Hinduism or any other religion in the sense that these religions never preached that their founders died and resurrected.

Have you ever see people dying with smiles on their faces?
That is to tell you that no one is truly happy dying whether it is deliberate suicide or not, so all these one you are saying there are people who want to die. I don't know where you got that from

And as you rightly mentioned ,Athiesm does not say anything about what happens after we die, it means there is uncertainty.

But for christians(whether they are dull or smart) we are very certain and relaxed and hopeful with our wishful thinking (Whether the bible is true or not).

Because if it is true, life goes on,
If it is not true, life still goes on.
Why killing yourself

hopefulLandlord:
This is hasty conclusion

1. atheism does NOT state anything about happens after we die

2. There's absolutely NO evidence for existence of "Soul"

refer to number 2 above

this statement does not follow the previous so its non sequitur

so do Muslims, Hindus even said they'll come back to live another life

your point is?
there are people on both sides who disagree that life is good so this is fallacy of composition

There are people who want to die, your thinking is extremely fallacious

this still doesn't follow, I may commit suicide to save my loved ones, I may decide to jump on a grenade thrown at me and my family while we were gathered at dinner table

this is wishful thinking and circular reasoning

you're using the Bible to prove the Bible while pretending all other religious books that have claims about origin of life don't exist/are wrong by default


guy, please try to get yourself some knowledge on logical fallacies cuz I honestly don't think a learned person could've said what you just said (no offense meant)

how does "I don't know what it is" = "This is what it is?"

how does lack of knowledge of afterlife prove heaven and hell are real?

lack of knowledge as far as my dumb brain is concerned is lack of knowledge, you don't get to make up myths to fill that gap and then turn around and say the myth is true cuz there's a gap

why aren't you serving Vishnu then? after all you might reincarnate and live another life

isn't it foolish to doubt Vishnu and Krishna especially when you don't know what will happen after you die?

isn't it foolish to doubt Allah especially when you don't know what will happen after you die?

isn't it foolish to doubt Odin especially when you don't know what will happen after you die?


I would've been disappointed in your writeup even if I were a Christian and that's saying much

BTW the dumbest atheists I personally know are up there with the smartest Christians

Guy you funny o
You responded to my post step after step (a very good nairaland user). But each of your response is a conclusion to the particular step in question without necessarily minding the summary of the whole post and you are taking about fallacy inbetween?

You should have read everything and summarize and know exactly what I'm driving at, in order for you to know whether i committed any fallacy or not.

No wonder everything in the post to you is fallacy, fallacy, fallacy as if na only you go school know wetin fallacy be.

For instance, i made a statement, wisdom demands that

That's religion for you

This is the reason.

An athiest believes that the day he dies that's the end of life. Hence, he has lost his soul.
So, the question is,

What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul?

In otherwords, wisdom demands that we take decisions that will end up profiting us at the long run.

On the other hand, christians believe that the day they die that same day they will be resurrected, their body will be changed and they will be given another chance to live on. 1 Corinthians 15:35-58.

Now, let's assume that we don't know whether what the bible is saying is true or not.

First of all, everyone have accepted that life is good (both christians and non christians or athiests alike).


We all don't want to die, infact men have tried in various ways to immortalize themselves by creating positive impacts on earth.
So, we really do not want to die.

Life is the greatest gift anyone can give to his love one, committing suicide is rejecting the offer.
That's the truth.

Since we all know how valuable life is, and someone came to offer us life after death, on the condition that we believe that he is God, he created this life(John 3:16).

Whether what he is saying is true or not, we don't know.
what we know is, he has said it. If we doubt it, we will not have the life. if we believe it, we will have the life.

Now, having seen that it cost us nothing to say it is true,We don't doubt,
Is it not wise enough to just say it true, because, Afterall, i don't know what will happen after i die .

And is it not foolish to doubt especially when you don't know what will happen after you die?

This is why i say ,the dullest christian is still smarter than the smartest athiest

Think about it

I think nigerian christians will keep paying tithe to their pastors not because the bible indicated that tithing was also a requirement in christianity just as it was in Judaism, but because the majority of nigerian christians (more than 75% of the nigerian christian population,including even prominent pastors) are not educated enough to understand their bible the way white men who brought christianity to Africa have understood it, to know the difference because Judaism and christianity.

Judaism is another religion different from the christian religion established by Jesus Christ. The holy book of Judaism is called the Torah not the bible.

Everything written in the old testament including tithing, also reflects in the Torah. So,old testament Jewish laws will not possibly apply to christians of the new covenant simply because Torah(old testament) forms part of the bible.

Freeze was absolutely correct, only that he keeps wasting his time analysing how tithe was paid in the old testament which do not corelate with what today christians are doing, which is not necessary.

What is necessary to know is,
tithe was Judaism .
Tithe is not christianity

Period

malvisguy212:
bro, if tithe is wrong, Jesus would have condemned the Pharisees not to tithe .

my argument against you guys is that you should not call those who tithe as sinners

do you even know the real message behind tithe?

When you start reading your bible as a book that also contain the history of the Jewish religious practices, then will begin to understand that Jesus will not have possibly condemn the Jewish religious ordinces which includes tithing, because it was not wrong.
However, it was also not complusary to non Jews who do not practice Judaism, example christians :
That was why Jesus never say tithing was also a requirement in christianity.
No no early apostle paid tithe, or any christian starting from the book of act.
Christianity started from the book of act.

So you see, nigerian pastors are wrong.
Daddy freeze is very right

I think nigerian christians will keep paying tithe to their pastors not because there is any scripture in the bible that shows that tithing was a requirement in christianity ,but because the majority of Nigerian christians are illiterate to understand their bible to know the difference between christianity and Judaism

Tithing was strictly Judaism, not christianity

dadebayo1:

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