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felixomor:
Oh i can see. You are not used to the bible,
Let me help you connect it.

The Phillipian Church collected money regularly from its church members and kept sending it to the Apostle Paul
And Paul acknowledged it that for them it was a sacrifice well pleasing unto God

He even went ahead to pray for them in Verse 19 (the famous "My God shall supply" )

So you got it now?

Paul was actually in need of the money as at that time. He was into Evangelizing the gospel moving from one country to another. Such movement requires money and support. The money was not meant for his flamboyant lifestyle if he had any. Even with that, Paul was a poor man.
He never accumulated wealth.
No buildings acredited to him, no riches. He was satisfied spreading the gospel.

Now what is the gospel?
The gospel requires that he convert Non christians (people of other religions) into christianity, as christianity was a new religion then with very few adherents .

But what are your pastors doing today?

First of all, they are not converting non christians, they are not doing the job yet they are enriching themselves, living a flamboyant lifestyle,accumulating wealth,buying private jet,travelling to Dubai with the money meant for the job.

Why?
Because christianity is grown now, so they feel that the job is already done.
But that's a lie

Billions of people are still without Christ and need to be converted.
Atheists, Buddhists, traditionalists, Muslims, name them...

Now, if your pastors keep continue like this with this their flamboyant lifestyle and distortion of church members who will want to come to Christ?

You see how your pastors are blocking people from entering the kingdom?

Surely, God is visiting them secretly, what they are seeing, they can't talk

Now, the viable means to convert non christians remains meeting the needs of the poor as Daddy freeze is doing now

Love is now the greatest tool
Not mere preaching on pulpit

teflonjake:
Then keep on smoking, drinking and fornicating.....


Seun Pls let's create a visual service on NL

It's time people get to see each other....

Look at this one,
You want to see, so that you can talk abi?
Black man!

teflonjake:
When u don't smoke, drink, fornicate and do all sorts of rubbish, then you body is the temple.

Not smoking or drinking or fornicating or all sort of rubbish is simply observing the law which is good.
But your body being a temple for Christ is far supercedes the law.
Even churches have their laws, tithing may be one of them.

But It is not until you keep laws that makes you qualified. We were all justified by faith.

idobolo:
Good day all.

I do not intent to bore you guys with my story. I need urgent advice and help from the Pastors and Evangelists in the house.

I was not born into a Christian family, although my dad told me he was a dedicated Christian before he decided to go the other way (being a native doctor). So I didn't grow up as a church goer.

When I was in primary school, I used to have this group of Jehovah Witnesses, who usually come to study the bible with me. They introduced Christianity to me. They taught me how to study the bible. By the time I got to secondary school, I developed the habit of studying the bible on my own. I so much loved the teachings especially the New Testament. I made sure I apply the bible principles in my daily life even though I was not attending any church. This really helped me to the extent I was always referred to as a good and responsible boy both at home and in school.

Later on, I would sometimes follow my neighbours to church - this my dad was not happy with. In one of the church services, I had an experience during worship, my body changed. I could feel a kind of cool breeze and suddenly, I became so light that I could not stand, and I found myself on the floor. Up to today, I can not really tell what it was.

Not long, I stopped attending church because my dad was not happy with it. But I continued my personal bible study and fortunately, another group of Jehovah Witnesses started visiting me.

After my WAEC, I had a dream. In this dream, I saw myself standing in front of our house, thinking of what to do since I was done with my secondary education. Suddenly, a ladder came down from the sky and its base was just directly in front of me. When I looked up, I saw someone coming down from the ladder. I was so scared. He was coming to me and I thought of running away. Suddenly, there was this bright light behind me. It was so bright that I was like a small object at the centre. I was frightened, I wanted to know the source of the light but I could not turn my head to look back. As I was struggling to turn my head, the man from the ladder was so closed to me and I suddenly woke up from the sleep. I keep remembering this dream even after so many years. I didn't tell any one and I keep wondering what it means.

When I entered university, I started hustling and mingling with different kinds of people. Gradually, I lost interest in the bible and things concerning church. I started having girlfriends and living a wayward life. It was so bad to the extent that I started patronising prostitutes. When ever I don't have money for prostitutes, I would masturbate. Even before I graduated from school, masturbation was like a hubby to me.

Fast forward to today, I am married with two lovely kids (girls). Gradually I have been able to stop masturbation although I seldomly patronise prostitutes.

The truth is that I am not happy with my life. Things are not the way they ought to be. I keep thinking of death. I keep imagining if I die now where will I be. I need help as soon as possible. I want to repent from my sins and serve God before I leave this earth. I am so scared of dying without Christ. It seems I cannot help myself. I feel so ashamed with myself. My major problem is that I don't even know where to go and who to meet. I cant pray. My heart seems hardened. I see pastors as scammers but I know Jesus is real. I am so confused. Could it be that the dream I had then was a sign or just meaningless?

I need serious deliverance.

I need help to retrace my steps back to God

Please Pastors and Evangelists in the house help.

The solution to your problem is not in this part of the world, unfortunately you were born and brought up here in Africa but you still need someone who can put you through to understand your bible but there is no one like that in Africa.
Perhaps that was part of the reason why your daddy prevented you from attending church .
If you had understood what you were reading in your bible you would have no reason to mingle with bad friends in the university.
Even some of the bad friends were from christian homes too, who never understood their bible some of which ttheir parents may be pastors, elders, deacons in church but no one was teaching them scriptures.
Because no pastor in Africa understand bible .
It's as simple as that.

If you can have your way out of this country and leave these black monkey pastors to go and study abroad and be back that will be far better than anything else for you
But if cannot afford that i will advice that you forget religion, make new real friends(not church friends o),be relevant to other people's lives irrespective of their status or disposition and enjoy your life.
Life is sweeter than church or religion

Jochabed:
Tithe is delicate, God said bring ur tithe to my house, so that there can be food. God himself will have to tell u too give it to someone else or a charity.Freeze is a total joke, he has no regard for God,how then can he regard tithe as something valuable.

You are the house of God as far as christianity is concern.
Your body is God's temple. God is not interested in that building you called church that you go every Sunday to pay tithe.
If you give that your tithe money to the poor understand that you are giving to his house like that because that poor person is also the house.

Come to think of it, it is more sensible to place value to fellow human being than to place value to a religious building and all it ordinances and pastors that will collapse some day

Instead of this man thanking Daddy freeze for enlightening his family on scriptures about tithe he is busy thanking him for the money he is making which has no scriptural basis.

The heart of man truly, is desperately wicked.
when the wickedness is benefiting no hope of repentance

BIGTinfotech:
Absolutely nothing wrong with that prayer.


"...suffer not a witch to live"


MFM members are used to praying such prayers, no one has complained or said anything.

Freeze is really pushing His luck too far. Perhaps He's enjoying the cheap popularity.

No one has died either, since MFM started praying like that. The prayer style is deception, unrealistic, not achieving anything for anyone, making people to be afraid and suspicious unnecessarily and a sign that the people are so ignorant and primitive.

Ezigbonmadu:
What's wrong with this prayer? Are you blocking people's way? Then you will die by fire!

Fool,
Firstly, God don't kill for people.
If you feel someone is blocking your way go and identity the person and kill him yourself.
God is not your tool


Secondly, no one is after you.
If you fail or succeed in life you are the architect behind it.

So, make adeboye carry him African traditional beliefs for himself alone
People that follows him and believe in fetish fictions are all Africans like him.
He can't try this in developed nations where people are more intelligent, he will poor

donbrowser:
Daddy Freeze is talking because he is not using his degree to push wheelbarrow. If that was the case, he would say amen to that prayer even before Adeboye finished.

That's why Nigerians need education, but these pastors keep telling Nigerians they need church and miracles

Now, let us replace some characters in the scripture and see exactly what these pastors want to do to Daddy freeze.

Acts 23:12-13 And when it was day, certain of the Jews(pastors) banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul(Daddy freeze)
13. And they were more than forty(Pastors)which had made this conspiracy.

These pastors may include :
1.Adeboye 2. Oyedepo 3.Suleman 4. Leke Adeboye 5. Ashimolowo 6. Nicolas Uagbo....etc

Follysho707:
FREEZE 'em all, Daddy FREEZE!!!

Yeah,
Freeze tithe
Freeze speaking in tongues
Freeze the sheeple oppressors

asdfjklhaha:
This man should thread carefully unless the wrath of God will fall upon him

Shaaaaaraaaaappp!..
Which God?
You think God is foolish and wicked?

Daddy freeze is absolutely right!
Speaking in tongues is fake,
Deception

DADDY FREEZE, DADDY FREEZE, DADDY FREEZE, DADDY FREEZE,

YOU DON WIN, YOU DON WIN, YOU DON WIN YOU DON WIN, YOU DON WIN.

Jhaytee4all:
They would say "there is God o" or they would want to kill themselves for not believing in the existence of God. as it says in Revelations 6. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.

what would you say if you are an atheist? Jesus foretells that; Matthew 24:21; For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
There will be troubles like neveer before after the rapture.the world war3 would take place.

wetin atheists go do na? you won't escape it.

Op,
Do you see now that if you can explain a sensible logical concept of rapture to athiests they will never go against it?

You simply cannot do that because a lot of things are not adding up in the doctrine which automatically annul it validity.

Hence, your thread is highly criticized .

I'm the entertainer

SalamRushdie:
Don be suprised his own prayers will be answered first , the prayers of mist Africans are never answered because they are all hypocrites more suited to eyeservice worship the pastor than God Himself

Infact God will answer his prayers so speedily like the speed of light.
E never clear for Africans eyes yet wetin be christianity

4Ken:
Imagine Pastor Adegboye smoking

What's the difference between the him not smoking and him smoking?
No difference.

If he can summon the boldness to demand 1 billion from church, is that not the act of someone who is inspired by Indian hemp?

Incrizz:
I can't blame you,
It's the god of this world who blinds people so that they do not understand the Gospel, and thereby believe, and thereby get saved that I blame.

When you want to understand The Scripture "with huge intelligence and thinking" instead of through the power of The Holy Spirit, why won't you see white korokoro and call it black?

Identity the white kororo that i called black in my post through your holy spirit let's see. Failure to do that now, you have made mokery of the holy spirit and God will somehow visit you.

When you write a subject that you did not read and understand do you call the holy spirit to help you pass the subject?
If that is what you do, certainly you will fail the subject, and that is Gods visit and punishment to you for refusing to read to your understanding.
This is exactly what is happening to you Africans.

Inability to read and understand by yourself with the hope of holy spirit giving you inspiration to understand or refusal to read at all.

Failures and poverty then set it and you be running from one church to another looking for holy spirit to solve your problems .

Are you not the ones exhibiting end time spirit like that?

Africans, Una funny o

streamsofjoy:
And as a christian are u happy about that?

It is the best thing that will happen to christianity in Nigeria.
Check developed nations where young educated people are not interested in churches anymore,talkless of tithing, but they channel all their resources, intellects and energy into education, industrialization and good governance.

Their lives are far better than we Africans who channel our resources to fund church and pastors flamboyant life styles in the name of making heaven or advancing the kingdom.
.
When young people are thinking of how to orbit the moon and mars, in Africa we are thinking of how to go to church.
What a terrible set back

I tell you this truth, the kingdom will naturally advance itself among the citizens of the nation without the interference of churches or tithe and their GO's or pastors, when there is love among people, good governance and booming economy .

We don't need church, churches are already too much. we need morals

Ever since Freeze came up with this tithe questions the number of people going to church on sundays are gradually reducing.
Like in my church today i can count the heads remaining. Many of those that have gone are the educated youths,leaving the papas and mamas who know cannot sense what is going on or they don't care.

Cheii

Thank God we have many of the papas and mamas

SageTravels:
He ruined nothing. serving God is a choice so also is giving. If unrighteous man give it's a sin.

Seriously, ever since Freeze came up with this tithe questions the number of people going to church on sundays are gradually reducing. Like in my church today i can count the heads remaining. Many of those that have gone are the educated youths,leaving the old papas and mamas who know cannot sense what is going on

analize701:
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Philippians:3:2

Beware of those who change the truth of God to lies.

Where did you see it written that as Christians we can stay home and not go to church ?

All these agents of Satan parading as Christians

It's people like you that will quick to crucify Jesus. People who crucified Jesus in his time were religious people like you.
They observed the sabbath and go to the temple regularly, pay and collect tithes, Yet the same people say Jesus was agent of Satan just like you are telling me now.

They are quick to label people Satan when they do not go along with their religious ideology. Meanwhile they are the ones lacking in understanding, perhaps it is their African primitive mentality

But what did Jesus teach that was quite different from that of the Pharisees who were religious people?

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall NEITHER in this mountain(place where Samaritans gather to worship), NOR yet at Jerusalem(Solomon temple at Jerusalem where the Jews gather to worship), worship the Father.

THE HOUR OR TIME HAS COME, IT IS NOW!!

John 4:21 is a dog, if you like beware of it as you have always been doing,at the end you are the one that is being defrauded by pastors in church in the name of tithe.
but not all christians mumu like that.

Remember Jesus also destroyed the temple in 3 days, the disciples were busy admiring temple building like Nigerians admiring their church buildings. Matthew 24

You Nigerians Una mumu o
Na God go deliver Una from religion. White people brought christianity to Africa,Britain is not half religious as you Africans . Things are working fine for them while the African society is in a state of quagmire

Nigerian christians are not different from the Pharisees, only that they believe in Christ and are saved that's the only good thing about them.

The real church is you. You don't need any gathering or building called church to function for God.
If you stay in your house no body will come and ask you to pay tithe now.

analize701:
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No don't run, come back here let me point out your errors.
Run from you? lolzzzzz. Will i run from my thread? Point out my errors.

1. You say i ignored your OP to discuss pastors.
Is this not one of your comment in your OP?

You : It is very important to note that we are not Tithing to pastors but to Christ our High Priest.

You mentioned pastors in your post, when i mention pastors too in response you start attacking me

And how does that interprets to discussing Pastors. The reason why i said that is because, those who don't Pay Tithe, have the believe that Tithe is Paid to Pastors which is not true.

The sacrifices you take to the shrines, who are you sacrificing to? Isn't it to the gods you go to consult? but who eats the substance? Isn't it the Medium through which the god relates to you? Does the Native Doctors throw the goats and chickens you take to them for sacrifices?

Good News Translation 1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Surely you know that the men who work in the Temple get their food from the Temple and that those who offer the sacrifices on the altar get a share of the sacrifices.

[b] In the same way, the Lord has ordered that those who preach the gospel should get their living from it..

If you have a problem with Pastors eating from Tithes and offerings, pls take it up with Jesus.


You are writing plenty things without being conscious of the ones you wrote previously thinking that no one can identify your error in the midst of your plenty posts? Search yourself.
It's not about writing plenty plenty it's about writing sensibly.
Talk is cheap, point out my errors.


2. You say you did not attack me? When i posted this
Me:When pastors tell church members if you don't pay tithe then you are robbing God, what do you call that,is that not compulsion?

This was your first response

You: Lolzzz. This thread is not for Children pls...

Even if my comment was childish the least you should have done was to correct me first before saying so.
It was after you called me children that you then quoted Malachi to say that it was God that threatened me not pastors.
Next time endeavor to correct people's childish comments before saying they are children or it amount to attack, because at the end your Malachi you quoted did not prove my response was childish, I gave my reason quoting Hebrews 11,that I'm a christian so malachi's threats will not possibly be God threatening today christians. And pastors should not use Malachi to be God.
When i sensed that you got offended by that, i apologized, didn't i?

Are you a partaker of the Abrahamic Promise or not?
Is Abraham a New Covenant Patriarch?

If you claim you are a Christin so the Old Testament shd be trashed, how did you get connected to the Promise God made to Abraham to Bless the nations
him?

Having this discussions with you guys, i'm beginning to sense lies and dishonesty.

If you are a Christian without roots in the old Testament, then you are lying to yourself. No one can be a Christian without having roots in the OT.


So beware of these men of God.
As much as i don't support any man of God who misappropriates God's money, but at the same time, i can't get involve in what they do. Their misconducts will not lead me to sin by what i say. God will not hold you guiltless if you sin because they sinned.

Listen. You see what is going on right now and you guys think you are doing God a service? You had better not sin in the process, because, it will be held against you.

The Sons of Eli, Hophni and Phenehas, were every where misappropriating God's ordinances. Right in the Temple, they were having sex with women who went to offer sacrifices. They made light of Gods sacrifices and treated the Israelites badly.

The people complained, God did nothing about it, Eli did nothing about. But, the people of God didn't stop doing to Shiloh to offer their sacrifices because the Sons of Eli where the ones in charge of the offerings and were using them as they liked. They still went and did their part by giving what was required of them.

When the iniquities of Eli's sons was complete, God wiped them off completely.

Don't think you know how better to fight God's Battle.

If the pastors are using Gods money to buy Jets, do you think, God doesn't know or see?

Who is then eating the tithe money if not pastors?
OK o,


The only root that connects me to old testament is that, it was through old testament that new testament or new covenant came from .

I'm not interested in all what happened in the old testament, how God purnished people who criticized his prophets and so on.

I'm interested in Christ

In Christ there is no distinction among adherents we are all one. If you like call yourself man or God or daddy whatever if you practice evil you go for it.

Tithe is one evil that has been cheating the church for years, gradually it will soon come to an end.
People are gradually knowing the truth

Who ask this man whether freeze beat his wife kick him son?
What has that got to do with tithe?

Na wa o

Please,
This is wonderful. Can someone please explain what has been happening?

DADDY FREEZE!! DADDY FREEEZE!!!
YOU DON WIN
YOU DON WIN
YOU DON WIN

analize701:
Lolzzzz, you may have seen another moniker like mine discussing Tithe on this platform, because Tithe is the least topic i have engaged in the platform, but whatever you say, good for you.

If i decided to leave a post unanswered is not becos i can't answer or because i have nothing to say, maybe because the post is senseless and won't waste my time on it.

I never attacked anyone o, i told you represent points rather than talking for talking sake. If you take that as an insult and are offended, i'm sorry pls.


Okay. Thank you for your opinion, but i opened this thread not to fight but to exchange views based on the Bible, not how we feel personally.


Do you think i didn't see this verse? Who is talking about The Promise here? Did i open this thread to talk about perfection?

Sir, the bone of my OP is, WHY did the Holy Spirit bring the issue of Tithing while Comparing tje Priesthood of Melchizedek as the eternal High Priest who had no mother, no father. not linked to the linage of Israel, and compared it with the Priesthood of Christ?

Why did he begin by talking about Tithe taking. Pls discuss my OP or leave me in peace.


Abeggi, you either don't understand my OP or you are deliberately dodging it.

You said Pastor threaten people to Pay Tithe, and i showed you from the Scriptures that it is God Himself who threatens you, not pastors, now you are attempting to make another issue of it.

Listen, i will not allow you derail my thread, it's either we discuss it, or you let it be.

We are not here talking about who obtained any Promise or who is perfect.

Lolzzzz. Ah nah waoooo. Christians who pick and choose from the Bible what shd apply to them and what should not. Now old Testament belongs only yo the Jews because it involves the issue of Tithe paying.

You are a descendant of Abraham through Christ abi? Shay Abraham na New Testament Patriarch? Shey you claim the Promises in the Old Testament abi? Why will you do that?

I hope you still remember that the Hebrews 11 were you quoted from, connects us with the Patriarchs? Or, you are not a Seed of Abraham through your Faith in Christ? I hail ooo.

Start your life in middle and see how far you go.

Hmmm. If only you have tried getting close to my Op.

You ignore my Op to discuss Pastors?
Wise men talk only when they have something to say...


This would have been true if you had tried discussing my Op. lolzz.

So Bishop Oyedepo will stoop to respond to Freeze? Lolzzzzzzzzzz. You must attach great value to this Freeze Character. sorry not everyone is as flimsy and idle like you are.

Who is Freeze to challenge his grand father? You actually believe Pa Adeboye will take out time to respond to an empty ambitionless attention seeker like Freeze? What stupidity? What are Freeze's contributions to the Lives of Nigerians aside from talking on radio, who is he?

I, in low estate has not responded to him, will Fathers do? Really? abeg Gererahia.

From start to finish, you have said absolutely nothing, so from here i say to you, good bye.

When you go into a thread, read the Op and address it.

No don't run, come back here let me point out your errors.
1. You say i ignored your OP to discuss pastors.
Is this not one of your comment in your OP?

You :[b] It is very important to note that we are not Tithing to pastors but to Christ our High Priest.

You mentioned pastors in your post, when i mention pastors too in response you start attacking me

You are writing plenty things without being conscious of the ones you wrote previously thinking that no one can identify your error in the midst of your plenty posts? Search yourself.
It's not about writing plenty plenty it's about writing sensibly.

2. You say you did not attack me? When i posted this


Me:When pastors tell church members if you don't pay tithe then you are robbing God, what do you call that,is that not compulsion?

This was your first response


You: Lolzzz. This thread is not for Children pls...

Even if my comment was childish the least you should have done was to correct me first before saying so.
It was after you called me children that you then quoted Malachi to say that it was God that threatened me not pastors.
Next time endeavor to correct people's childish comments before saying they are children or it amount to attack, because at the end your Malachi you quoted did not prove my response was childish, I gave my reason quoting Hebrews 11,that I'm a christian so malachi's threats will not possibly be God threatening today christians. And pastors should not use Malachi to be God.

So beware of these men of God.

MuttleyLaff:
¹¹We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand.
¹²In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers,
you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again.
You need milk, not solid food!
¹³Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.
¹⁴But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
- Hebrews 5:11-14

Some Jews were still paying or giving tithes to the Levites after the victory at Calvary
merely because of the sake that the temple still existed

What you mentioned is one of the other parts, of the why was tithe mentioned in Hebrews Chapter Seven
It is going to be too long-winded going into details
Most readers dont like long posts, as it turns into information overload for them

Yeah, that's true!
Very very correct .
I have seen it now, thanks

Because the thing has been part of their religious obligations and tradition, they feel like continuing it

MuttleyLaff:
That right there, is the WHY
She wants to know for what reason or purpose was tithe mentioned six times in Hebrews Chapter Seven
well its partly because, if not all or most, some clearly uninformed Hebrews, were ignorantly paying or giving tithes

That's not the reason tithe were mentioned in those new testament scriptures.

There is no record that early christians in the new testament knowingly or ignorantly paid tithe.

The reason tithe were mentioned in those scriptures was to affirm the superiority of the christian faith or Grace over over the law(especially the Jewish laws).

And you know tithing was part of the Jewish laws

MuttleyLaff:
And he said unto them,
Take heed, and beware of covetousness:
for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
- Luke 12:15

My brother, the thing fit tire pesin ooo
These everytime strong desire to possess something, especially like, claiming scriptures that's belongs to and is talking to another people
It makes one, keep saying, if all that's written up there by our sister, isnt or wasnt covetousness, then dont know what to call it

Funny guy