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golpen: This is the simple illustration. You would appoint a teacher, after series of interview, who you think will teach your students the right thing. I don't know about the bible ban in Saudi, but if that's the case, Saudi-arabia is an islamic state and even the unborn knows that, so not allowing the bible into their country is their choice as an ISLAMIC state.

On the other hand, France is a secular state, an HIJAB has been banned, homo marriages have been encouraged with other inhuman acts. What is your comment on that?

[quote author=golpen]Let me get this right, its ok for an Islamic state and not for a secular? Are you listening to what you are saying? Say it slowly so you dont misunderstand yourself. If a secular state wishes to impose restrictions on religions why cant they? You do know the meaning of secular right? Non religous, seperated from religion. Thank God that in western society one has the right to be as he chooses. In turn that means that others also have the right. But you see the word RIGHT is so difficult to understand in your world. You have no Rights or freedoms but only Restrictions and rules which you MUST abide by imposed on you. Im not gay but whats my business that someone chooses to live that way. I will answer to my maker for ME and ME ALONE. One question though, why not stay in a place where they respect your way of life instead of go to a place where they dont respect yours or youy feel they are not godly enough. The ME has many rich countries.

Called and spoke to a gentleman who refused to give his name. When I asked if I could bring my Bible, I wont lie, he did state that if it was my personal one in my luggage not in the public eye/view that it wouldnt be taken from me. I told him of the instance of my acquantince and that I had inquired here in the Netherlands and they confirmed that it would, of which he said that in the past it was very frequent but that doesnt happen much anymore at the airports and if its only one, and to be frank this inicident Im taking about was a couple or years ago, I think 2008ish. He did however confirm that other religions and gatherings were illegal and that its not allowed nor advised to congregate with the intent of fellowship or to convert. In fairness to him, he did add but if you are in your own home who will know, which I found funny.

sino: ^ I didn't ask for a name, what do i want to do with her name...

This is the number, you can call too...+2347098221442, my call time was, 10.26am, 2mins 56secs

Ok thanks for clearing that up. I do believe you so do would you mind giving me the name of whom you spoke to. I promise I will call an confirm. Thanks, awaiting the name. If you forgot or dont want to please tell me when exactlly you called and I will enquire whom you spoke to. Ok?? waiting bra.

sino: Well i just finished speaking with a representative in Abuja KSA embassy, when i asked her if i could bring in my Bible to KSA, she replied(and these are her words, "definitely you can, why not?" then i further said i have been hearing confilicting report on that on which she told me to wait so as to confirm, she spoke to another person in arabic(which i overheard) and the person said "injeel, it's one of our books" she also told me same thing. I hope that has cleared the air?


Yes, i called i confirmed, it is tolerated, allowed, you can bring it in, it's not illegal!


One thing i know for sure is that, if the saudi constitution is based on the Qur'an and sunnah, then you cannot find anywhere written which would prohibit the ahlu'l kitab from bringing in their scriptures or banning them from practicing their religion. From history of the prophet(SAW) he lived with christians and jews in medinah...Muslims are instructed to protect their house of worship even during war etc.

Allah (SWT) says, "let there be no compulsion in religion..."(Q2vs256)
Also He(SWT) says "...to you your religion and to me my religion"(Q109vs6).
So bra, i find it queer that you are insisting that the constitution of KSA is the Qur'an and Sunnah hence the ban on bringing in a bible.

I said also that i am not sure of any Qur'an ban as well.
What is the hypocrisy there? KSA has rules and regulations, they say this is what they want and allow in their country if you can tolereate it then come, if you can't then look for some place else!
The hypocrisy i see here is the westerners and the french who claim freedom of this and that and then turn around to restrict the freedom of Islam. Homos are free to get married and adopt a child while a muslim woman cannot put on a veil or headscarf to work and in public places?! A woman can put on provocative cloths(mini skirts and tight blouse) to work while a muslimah cannot put on what she feels comfortable in to work?! If you can't see the hypocrisy in that then...

And FYI, the bible encourages the hijab and modest dressing...you are at liberty to go confirm

Dewze: you only posted alink about someone's opinion and interpretation of that KSA law. This interpretation is a bit skewed because it is clearly stated there that the bible is prohibited, just like narcotics and small arms. Does it then mean tht if you want to bring in narcotics and small arms for personal use it ll be allowed? Pls make it clearer for me if there is something I am mistaking here.

I suppose If it is allowed by law to bring in the bible for personal use it ll be stated in a clause in their constituition. Constitutions as I know it try to avoid ambiguity as much as possible for the sake of personal interpretations, like the one I see here.

SPOT ON! He doesnt want to see the truth because deep in his heart he is having trouble dealing with it. The law is clear PROHIBITED, yet he wants to bend it to meet his purpose. Hey I see joints being smoked on Rap videos all the time I guess its legal. The mayor of a Canadian city was pictured smoking crack, well I guess its legal. Accept the truth. deal with it and move on is how I live my life. It takes the pain away from constantly having to rationlise everything.

dont feel like calling the embassy huh? Wouldnt that have been the easiets thing to do and prove me wrong?

To save us the back and forth all you have to do is call. Call the embassy and ask the very simple question like I did. I was told ITS AGAINST THE LAW TO BRING A BIBLE and then relay to us what you are told. Also from a legal standpoint if you tolerate something, NO you are not allowing it especially if there is a law about it. Ask any lawyer, if there is a law broken and authorties choose not to enforse ( hence tolerate) its doesnt mean the law doesnt exist, which is your point and i wrong.

I can truly understand your confusion, as many Muslims whom I work with also didnt know. They said the said thing, but I see Christians in KSA etc etc. Then I say the same thing just call the Embassy. Later I see them stating that they frankly didnt know. Im still surprised that a confessed Muslim as yourself doesnt know that the constitution of KSA is the Qur’an and the Sunma. Your asking me to provide a link Your Imam wouldnt be happy with you as you should know this as a fact. I challenge any muslim on this forum to prove otherwise. The link as I mentioned is unauthorised.

Ok you are afraid to call, lets do something else: Show me a citation or statement from any KSA official stating you are free to bring Bibles into KSA and that will settle it, ok. A statement ot link, not a film or link from an unauthorised person. YOU WONT FIND IT. IT DOESNT EXIST.

On the French issue, correct me if Im wrong but they banned the veils NOT THE QURAN and by the way you still havent told us if any country bans it. Um but you also know that its banned in Turkey to wear such in banks right, even for Muslims. Ive been to Turkey for a period for my work. I dont agree with teh French banning, as I feel that everyone has the freedom to wear what they want, but since you rose the question, may my wife a non muslim wear what she wants in KSA or anyother muslim country: NO. Every muslim country has as its base Sharia and the women who are guests must abide by their rules and dress codes. This is from first hand information as I travel frequently with my wife. If one argeues that well these countries are Muslim, why the fuss when Christian counries say in these countries you must abide by our rules. Lets imagine for a second that Christian dominted countries all imposed a dress code and said to Muslim women, when here dont were anything on your head because we have as base the Bible, what would be your reaction. I have nothing against you or your religion, so lets get that straight, but is the hypocrisy that I have a hard time swallowing. You insisit that your rules are followed at your domains, OK, but when the other side wants to impose their wishes ( which are not that strict when you compared them to the what Muslim countries impose on non Muslims) you scream foul. I have long wondered, if you are unable to practice your religion in the way you see fit then why even think of going to these countries? Why go to France, the US, UK etc. everyone knows that the Middle East is richm why not simply go there? I ask this in respect and not to disrespect you in any way.

sino: Sir, i don't really see the lie i am defending here, personally, i have a lot of issues with KSA and the way they practice the sharia, i am not hiding from the fact, i guess you do not understand my stance so i'll try and reiterate my position.
Initially you said this
Which i respond to with a link showing that indeed you can bring in the Bible without hassle here is the link again
http://
www.muslimspeak./2008/07/16/
muslim-urban-legends-the-saudi-bible-ban/

On your second question about Qur'an ban, i'm also not sure, but the french placed a ban on the face veil in public places, hijab/headscarfs in public institutions and wants to broaden it to headscarfs in private sectors too. Here is the link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/french-veil-ban_n_2992642.html
Can you call this freedom of religion? Are they being respectful to Islam? Are they being tolerant?

Thereafter, you came up to post the saudi constitution(i guess) which you didn't provide a link to(although i think it's from wiki) and posted this:

If this is the constitution you are alluding to, then it doesn't in any way ban the bringing in of the Bible. Please help me out, provide proof for the explicit banning of bringing in the Bible for personal use since you know the constitution of KSA more than i do. If you tolerate something, then you've allowed it na
Is Freedom of religion ristricted? Yes, can you bring in the Bible for personal use? Yes, can you bring in the Bible for proselytising? No.

Hope you can understand my stance now?

sino: See, you are also confirming what was written in the link i posted, how do you expect me to believe what you are saying about your american friend and his bible? Did you not see proof of a bible in KSA being held by sheikh Ahmed Deedat? Now that everything as gone electronic, will the saudi government start checking smartphones and laptops for Bible?

Yes, KSA is a Muslim country, and an independent country that can choose which laws to govern the country. What you quoted did not in any way proof that bible are forbidden in KSA, please you can provide something better else it's a big fat lie that bible is banned in KSA.
Freedom of religion, are the foreign non-muslims forced to become Muslims or prevented from praying in their houses? You should know that KSA is the home of Islam and must maintain that identity. At least, other Muslim countries do allow christians to build their place of worship.

That something is seen happening DOESNT MAKE IT LEGAL even if its done with officials. What I find strange and actually amusing is that you are arguing something that is KSA LAW! Its in their constitution! Must I, a non muslim tell you that the Basic Law as observed in KSA is based on the Qur’an and the Sunma which forms their constitution. Are you ashamed that its so, otherwise whats the big deal in saying its so, its not my fault. I a muslm but I dont have the responsibility of overseeing what a whole countries does. The mere fact that you fail to see or want to see what is a fact only confirms to me that in your HEART OF HEART know that its not right otherwise you wouldn’t be defending a lie tooth and nail.

There is NO separation of religion and state. The government restricts the establishment of places of worship and public training of non-Sunmi clergy. That the public ( mind you public) education system enforces the teaching of Islam and the textbooks are intolerant of Christianity and other religions. Must I as a non Muslim tell you what the job is of the mutaww’in. Why do the mutaww’in have as one of the duties the confiscation of Bibles and other Christian symbols. Must I really school you, really? You should be schooling me. Instead you are sending links and films not authorised by KSA.

WHY NOT DO WHAT I DID IF YOU REALLUY WANT TO GET EDUCATED AND CALL THE EMBASSY AND ASK THE SIMPLE QUESTION: ARE BIBLE BANNED? And you will hear what I heard: following the law strictly YES! But if you dont go about parading it in the open you should (he said to me should , but couldn’t guarantee) have no problem. I cant guarantee that you will be allowed to bring other religious material in though including bibles. Soon you will try and convince me I didnt have the conversation.

I know your argument is that there are Christians living there, but its tolerated. The true letter of the law according to the constitution is it ILLEGAL.

The truth is that KSA on one hand abide by it when its good for them ( do you know the business dealings they have with the western world, which makes it all the more hypocritical when they arrest and persecute Asian (mainly Filipino, Indian, Sri Lanka etc) workers for breaking these religious laws and dont say anything to a Brit or American.

By the way, the below mentioned was on Wikitravel. I would recommend that you send an email QUICKLY to the KSA embassy informing them about the blatant lie mentioned so they can rectify asap. We wouldn’t want people to think that they KSA actually enforce the below mentioned.

Religious items for religions other than Islam, including Bibles, crucifixes and any religious literature, are technically forbidden, although these days items for personal use are generally ignored. However, anything that hints of proselytism is treated very harshly, and the muttawa often bust illicit church assemblies and the like.Public observance of religions other than Islam is technically a crime in Saudi Arabia.

Something tells me though, you wont. I wonder why. Just because one stands by a false fact and screams and stamps their foot, doesn’t make it true. Sometimes the truth hurts, so what, just live with it. We didnt make the rules, we just have to abide by them.

So I take it your not employed . As for me I cant look at Bloomberg all day and I WISH I would be here till 4pm. Thats cushy, more like 8pm for me most of the time.

RedBenson: This is a typical scene of what high rate of unemployment/joblessness is all abt. Coming to a social network by dis time (11:38am) and see young souls busy here doing nothing than finger.ing thier phones/pcs typing unimportant/useless comments show that the economy is jerking and the govt is not helping matters. On an obvious scene, which gainfully employed souls would be here typing irrelevant comments when they've a lot on thier desks to deliver b4 4pm? Na joblessness dey cause am and to help keep the jobless souls busy, thus the emancipation of this forum. Gainfully employed folks only come here at night and chat. This is the result of high rate of unemployment. NA GOVERNMENT CAUSE AM!!!

My sources are the same you would have. You can contact the KSA embassy, but since you asked....Freedom of religion is neither recognized nor protected under the law and is severely restricted in practice. According to the 1992 Basic Law, Sunni Islam is the official religion and the country’s constitution is the Qur’an and the Sunna (traditions and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad).

Raymonbell: give us your source(because there are records of Christian living in Saudi Arabia till today)

OJA I DON HUG YOU NOW. Listen my best friend of 25 years is Muslim. I have NO ISSUES with ISLAM. When I talk to him Im very direct on what I see as good and what I see as bad. He does the same. We know we are not trying to hurt each other. I also feel bad for him when I see the negative things that are said of muslims, because I know this guy and I have NEVER SEEN HIM GET ANGRY. Even when Oyinbos here say things offensive about islam, he will laugh and Im usually the one that gets hot tempered. So bro no offense given nor taken. May you always be blessed and may saddness never know your residence (Amen, Ishalla).

sanniemoe: Chop knuckle joor..no vex say I was offensive..I feel bad when Islam is being portrayed in a bad light or when Muslims r likened to lucifer,it's unfair..just cos Alameisgha and a few Nigerian politicians r corrupt doesn't mean all Nigerians are or say cos Dame doesn't know how to construct a simple sentence in English or conduct herself well in public doesn't mean all Nigerian ladies are ill mannered too..no vex my brother..Oya,hug me....lets over this topic

Atleast we are back to being cordial and Im no longer a BLOODY CHRISTIAN, so we have gotten somewhere. I never said that one religion is better than the other. On the contrary I believe that religion has been the center peace of most wars and conflicts. My point is simple, what it is it is, but dont make it better looking then it is. The fact is Bibles are banned in most islamic countries, do I get points or awards for it NO. Just say dude you are right , wish it wasnt that way but it is, I didnt make the rules. But dont tell me Im seeing Blue when I see Red.

sanniemoe: U don't smuggle pass those alphabet boys at their airports or borders..they got eagle eyes..they got scanners to detect everything thing U got..one thing i know for sure is that if u r an xpat with a bible for ur personal worship,my guy,dem go free U..Americans r demi gods in Arab Nations..forget dt madness CNN potrays,.. truth is an average Christian don't understand the tenets of Islam..all religion has got fanatics but its rather unfortunate Islam has the spotlight..talk of that brevik killing,talk of Buddhists who murdered thousands in Burma cos they Muslims,talk of so many atrocities committed by folks of other religion in d name of whatever or whoever they serve..the Quran just like the bible is a book filled with parables and some may understand it well while some may decide to turn it d other way round..Islam is religion of peace and any form of violence/violent act is FORBIDDEN EXCEPT FOR SELF DEFENSE

This is interesting but Im sorry to burst your bubble, but its illegal in KSA. I would rather you quote the KSA government and not an unauthrised website and YT film.Freedom of religion is neither recognized nor protected under the law and is severely restricted in practice. According to the 1992 Basic Law, Sunni Islam is the official religion and the country’s constitution is the Qur’an and the Sunna (traditions and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad). Just because something is tolerated doesnt mean its allowed. Im talking from first hand experience. A co-workers BIBLE was taken AT THE AIRPORT. HE IS AMERICAN. Later one of the airport guys snook it back to him but told him to hide it. WHEN ASKED WHY HE WAS TOLD, THOUGH IT RARELY HAPPENS TO AMERICANS YOU CAN BE ARRESTED AS ITS AGAINST THE LAW. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME PLEASE ANYONE CALL THE EMBASSY AND SIMPLY ASK IT AGAINST THE LAW TO OWN A BIBLE OR PRACTISE CHRISTIANITY IN KSA. Its not my words, its SAUIDI LAW and Im really surprised that muslims don know this.

On the Military BASE, you are correct BUT THATS BECAUSE THE SOLDIERS THAT FLY IN ARE NOT CONTROLLED BY SAUDI OFFCIALS AND THE BASE IS SEEN AS AN EXTENSION OF THE USA. It has the same international powers and protection as an embassy. Embassies are protested by international law. You are not allowed to enter or check diplomatic officers and their residence.

sino: Well, i think you are wrong, check out this link
http://www.muslimspeak./2008/07/16/muslim-urban-legends-the-saudi-bible-ban/

Again, there are a lot of foreign expatriates working in KSA, they have the right to practice their religion even, an American military base was there during the gulf war and still there. Majority of these people are non-Muslims.

[b]This is interesting but Im sorry to burst your bubble, but its illegal in KSA. I would rather you quote the KSA government and not an unauthrised website and YT film. Freedom of religion is neither recognized nor protected under the law and is severely restricted in practice. According to the 1992 Basic Law, Sunni Islam is the official religion and the country’s constitution is the Qur’an and the Sunna (traditions and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad). Just because something is tolerated doesnt mean its allowed. Im talking from first hand experience. A co-workers BIBLE was taken AT THE AIRPORT. HE IS AMERICAN. Later one of the airport guys snook it back to him but told him to hide it. WHEN ASKED WHY HE WAS TOLD, THOUGH IT RARELY HAPPENS TO AMERICANS YOU CAN BE ARRESTED AS ITS AGAINST THE LAW. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME PLEASE ANYONE CALL THE EMBASSY AND SIMPLY ASK IT AGAINST THE LAW TO OWN A BIBLE OR PRACTISE CHRISTIANITY IN KSA. Its not me words, its SAUIDI LAW and Im really surprised that muslims don know this.

sanniemoe: And who told U so? Saudi Arabia is a pure Islamic state and if u want to worship any other thing apart from Islam then do so in ur room and don't disturb the next man.. There are quite a few Christian expatriates in Jeddah but they do not worship in public or large congregation..and if u think Saudi Arabia is unfair to Christianity,then try North Korea...Christian,Muslim,whatever u r..religion is a no no there so STOP spiting ur foolishness here bloody Christian fanatic

PBundles: If this is true, that other religions are to be respected, then WHY ARE BIBLES NOT ALLOWED IN CERTAIN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES (ie The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia). I may be wrong but is there any country that bans the Quran?

sanniemoe: And who told U so? Saudi Arabia is a pure Islamic state and if u want to worship any other thing apart from Islam then do so in ur room and don't disturb the next man.. There are quite a few Christian expatriates in Jeddah but they do not worship in public or large congregation..and if u think Saudi Arabia is unfair to Christianity,then try North Korea...Christian,Muslim,whatever u r..religion is a no no there so STOP spiting ur foolishness here bloody Christian fanatic

Interesting you claim Im a Bloody Christian ( who says I support or oppose christianity, why if someone makes critical point towards islam its seen as opposition? what are you afraid of) fanatic, yet just read how you address me ( is this the repsect muslims talk about) with respect when I asked a simple question. I wonder who is a fanatic. Back to the point, as I wont let you derail this which is what you want. Let me answer for you NONE. The quran is not banned in ANY country. North Korea which you fondly mentioned bans all forms of religions. So let me get this straight. You claim that Saudi Arabia is a pure islamic state but I THOUGHT SOMEONE JUST MENTIONED THAT ISLAM RESPECTS ALL REGIONS. I GUESS NOT. About christians in Jeddah, LET ME HELP YOU, IF THEY HAVE BIBLES TO WORHSIP WITH THEY MUST HAVE SMUGGLED IT IN SINCE THEY ALONG WITH ANY CHRISTIAN PARAPHANELIA ARE SEIZED AT THE PORT OF ENTRY AT THE AIRPORT. DONT YOU KNOW THAT. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

If this is true, that other religions are to be respected, then WHY ARE BIBLES NOT ALLOWED IN CERTAIN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES (ie The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia). I may be wrong but is there any country that bans the Quran?

sino: In fact ehn, the concept of "thou shall not judge" in christianity is just beyond me.

Another example is a woman who is provocatively dressed, they tell you, christianity is in the heart, "thou shall not judge"... A woman who is dressed Islamically, they say, they are pretenders, they do a lot of bad things and they go on to give you their personal experiences...

To me, it's just one word; HYPOCRISY!

Instead of them to acknowledge the sentence as a welcome development and a deterent to others, they are here spewing rubbish.

We muslims hold in high esteem our Religion, we are advised to respect other people's beliefs and to deal with people justly.

danswagz: dats a lie,1milla times 5,wich is 5milla dolls,each cost 5$,yu dig

Dont know if he gets 20MM but he will certainly get more than 5MM for sure. You are only calculating album sales, which J would have made if he distributed the album himself via his own publishing (Solo). You would need to factor in brand royalties of RocNation as well as marketing fee. Keep in mind Samsung is doing this to sell more Phones. Also there is a strategic backdrop. Who is Samsungs biggest comp, you guessed it Apple, hmm so the album may not be availabe on itunes, so more change for J. I have extensive experience in Musis publishing as I own my own and license to Film, TV and the Music World. This J dude is killing it no doubt.

The work we are doing has very sweet part speaketh the chief of the biggest thieves. If armed robbery is a crime to be punished with capital punishment when will all these criminals be put to death for sticking up common man and holding our children ransom.

Bro thanks for the reply BUT.... the vatican is not a country. Its the official seat of the catholics. Im also sure I cant build a church in Mecca. As for Tibet, please o please check information as you put it the media before typing. THERE ARE MOSUQES IN TIBET. But once again i sincerely ask, WHAT COUNTRY BANS ISLAM or Muslims. I want to be educated. I can list those that bans Christians. The answer shouldnt take days right :-(.

mahdino: brother u see that is the type of problem we are talking about, the media has brain wash a lot of people, now u think that there is no place where islam or muslims are not allowed to worship or ban, u see in Vatican u are not allowed to build a mosque and worship. Have u heard of the muslims in Tibet how they are constantly molested?

Why dont we take this subtileness, as you put it to a another level, shall we. Can a Christian bring a Bible into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ? Name ONE, JUST ONE country where the Koran is banned from being brought in. As far as I know, its even allowed in Isreal. Id like to be eductaed and not remain a hypocrite. Please dont move or derail the question, hope you or anyone answers swiftly enough. We are waiting.

ziccoit: There is a primary school in my area with handful population of pupils-the leaders of tomorrow. The school has about 10 pupils who are Christians. Yes about 10 in total! Simply because the public school is christened Methodist primary school, the school authority mandate that morning devotion should be in Christian ways; IRS should not be taught in the class; no teacher should wear hijab etc.
Yet, the others schools in my area christened Ansar-u-deen, Ansar-u-Islam etc allows days in a week for Christian devotion; make provision for CRS etc.

I just don't know where to place them. Hypocracy may be too subtle.

There is a saying that goes, the Chickens have come home to roost. Extremism seems to have been tolerated in the North as it was usually perpetuated under the guise of Islam. As the North became silent, its force grew into what is now plaque to them. If only they had seen it for what it was all along, a manner to oppress. Well the northern youth, mainly Muslims have band together and are helping the soldiers fish them out. The should be applauded for their bravery. I thought one former Head of State was trying to convince everyone that the state of emergency was an attack on the North. Well the youth seem to have seen through the smokescreen. Bravo for fighting for your freedom.

http://news.yahoo.com/vigilantes-target-extremists-northeast-nigeria-111618659.html

Vigilantes target extremists in northeast Nigeria

MAIDUGURI, Nigeria (AP) — Young men armed with machetes and sticks have entered the streets of Nigeria's biggest city in the northeast to target suspected Islamic extremists, even as soldiers continued an offensive against the radical fighters.

The vigilante group, known as "Civilian JTF," a play off the acronym used to describe the joint military and police taskforce in the region, started taking up arms after President Goodluck Jonathan declared a state of emergency May 14 in Adamawa, Borno and Yobe states — a territory of around 155,000 square kilometers (60,000 square miles) of the Sahel bordering Cameroon, Chad and Niger.

In a nationally televised speech, Jonathan admitted the nation had lost control of some villages and towns to extremist fighters already responsible for more than 1,600 killings since 2010 alone, according to an Associated Press count.

In the time since, the military claims it has killed and arrested suspected extremists as it now controls security for the region with expanded powers to arrest anyone and occupy any building. However, military officials who spoke to journalists on a recent trip through the northeast acknowledged many fighters likely fled with heavy weaponry including anti-aircraft guns and still remain a major threat to Africa's most populous nation.

Abdul Adam56: 1) ISLAM: There is no compulsion in religion.
BOKO HARAM: Everyone must adhere to our ways else…
2) ISLAM: Love all and be just to all regardless of religion.
BOKO HARAM: If you are not with us you are against us.
3) ISLAM: Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) lived with peaceful Christians and Jews as his neighbours.
BOKO HARAM: All non-Muslims mustleave the North.
4) ISLAM: You are only permitted toprotect yourselves when you are attacked first. And you should retaliate justly but when u gain an upper hand, u shld better forgive and leave everything to Allah.
BOKO HARAM: We attack all who stand in our way
5) ISLAM: A true Muslim is one fromwhose tongue and hands his community is safe.
BOKO HARAM: We do not care your religion. Muslim or Christian we will crush any who stands in our way.
6) ISLAM: Killing of innocent souls is a great sin. No human being has theright to take life except through thedue process of the Law.
BOKO HARAM: Allah will understand.He will not punish us.
7) ISLAM: During war, non-combatant women and children must not be touched. Talk less of peace time.
BOKO HARAM: We kill men, women and children.
ISLAM: At war time, all non-Muslims that run into their places of worship ortheir homes will not be harmed. Talk less of peace time.
BOKO HARAM: We bomb non-Muslims in their places of worship. We also kill Muslims in theirmosques and homes if we feel theyare a threat to us.
So who really are these people withwarped ideologies and intents?
I may not know what they are really out to achieve but I do know for sure they do not represent Islam. Rather, they are acting contrary to it's most sublime teachings: peaceful advocacy.
Of course, Islam strongly disapproves of corruption and incapable leadership!
LET'S WORK TOGETHER, REGARDLESS OF TRIBE AND RELIGION TO PROVIDEA BETTER TOMORROW FOR ALL. May Allah help us all

Nice write up and I think (hope) you are sincere, but the issue is not what YOU write but the ACTUAL intention. Would be nice if you placed the above mentioned in a public paper or Islamic publication signed by yourself and some Imams and influential muslim scholars. Fortify that by saying that you are not aligned with them and killings by them against innocent people and christians would not be tolerated. That those that sympathise with them should be pointed out named and shamed in the mosque. Will you do that for us? Shouldnt be hard if what you claim above is true. Then I think you will get mine and everyones attention. Let us know when you have done so and I WILL PAY TO GET IT ON FRONTPAGE IF I HAVE TO! We are sincerely waiting and hope this not another Islam is Peace campaign.

Very good write up indeed and you summation of the situtaion is spot on.

What would help is for MUSLIMS TO REBUKE STRONGLY VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY MUSLIMS. What I have noticed and I may be wrong and if I offend anyone my apoloigies, is that Muslims see it as some form of betrayal if they go against something a fellow muslim has done. All the person in question has to do is ensure he qoutes any of the following: America, Israel, Christianity and sign off with a fellow muslim message and it seems ok. Yes a couple of key media figures will come out and say the RIGHT thing, like what one of the organisations did in the UK, BUT if you talk to the core muslims they will tell you they dont agree BUT....... I can see why this was done. Thats were the problem is. They feel that they are doing what is indirectly expected of them. The chaps that did this killing in th UK were known by fellow muslims. When they were preaching their hate why didny anyone in the muslim community or even an Imam go there and BAN them. Rebuke them and tell them if they dont dissist they will be banned from the muslim community. Unlike the christian society, I honestly feel that muslims respect MORE what a religious head/leader has to say. Yet they remain silent and say nothing, then when something happens they want to remind everyone that its a religion of Peace. I dont doubt it, but then SPREAD THE PEACE YOU PREACH ABOUT ACTIVELY and dont play a blind eye to what you know is going on in your midst. Its this hypocrisy that I have a hard time swallowing.

Cant this guy run for president. He got my vote.

Very nice development indeed but I doubt the US 200 BN amount. Rotterdam is one of the leading ports and if Im not mistaken it generates around EUR 600 MM, so US 200 BN dont think so. I more emphatic about the jobs it will generate. That will great for my brothers and sisters. Nice work to the state government and stakeholders!

To me a Hot woman is one who takes care of herself on the outside and dresses like a lady. She is eloquent, gracefull and charming. She doesnt need to over expose herself to draw attention because she is confident of who she is. She could look stunning in simple dress. Great in company and has a mind of her own and expresses this confidently yet knows how to respect her man and love her man. A woman that has the qualities of being a mother to my kids, my better half. That is a HOT woman. When it comes to being a sexy, she has it on lock, when we are alone doors closed, she blows my mind.

Sorry the pics I see are not HOT and I wouldnt look twice and any real man worth weight will tell you that.

Ofcourse its not true we all know that but what did you really expect her to say. If she would have said the truth it would have equated to a death sentence. She is the finance minister remember (contracts, business etc etc). We have a saying where I from....YOU NEVER TELL A MAN THAT HIS WIFE IS CHEATING ON HIM, YOU TELL HIM TO WATCH HIS WIFE.

I dont understand why everyone is getting upset, who taught us this Amnesty trick....POLITICIANS.
How many have been jailed for fraud, for looting for stealing..NONE. What have past governments done to cover this up and make sure that when their time comes they too will not go to jail. They gave these thieves amnesty, so now poor man wants to copy what he has been taught. Sad turn of events.

HARDDON you have a very valid point that should not be overlooked. I call it the proliferation of diplomas and certificates. Though some are more guilty than others, all have some guilt. What I have seen is that the last decade pushed by the urge to fill positions in a deamanding global society coupled with the fact that governments are pushing everyone to get educated, whats happening is that qualification are being churned out whereas one needs to see the quality. I must say that you see it more in the diploma world (colleges, business schools MBA etc) than professional certificates, but they are also guilty. At the end of the day one should choose a well regarding school and choose to learn. I know may MBA graduates that are not worth the 3 letters after their name.

HARDDON: schools are like la cram la pour?

ever heard of dumps when professional exams are involved?

Hi E.Code.

To some extent it depends. In my line of work I have close contact with the Big Accunting firms and what I see to be honest is that registered accounts dont head departments, but those with diploms do (Masters, PhD etc). The RAs that I have seen head have a diploma next to their RA. Now Im strictlty speaking about in Europe and US so I cant say how it is in Nigeria, but this is MY experience and I work with different firms all the time.


[quote author=e.code]I know what I'm talking about. In my line of career, hardly will you find Masters as the requirement for employment/promotion. That goes to show how irrelevant it's fast becoming. Hence, the reason i opts for professional exams though not ruling the fact that i wont go for it later. When it comes to both, i give much preference to Professional exams. To even buttress my point more, If you are in the accounting profession, don't ever think you are going to be ahead of someone with ACCA Certificate, Never! It largely depend on your chosen career. In Nigeria, experience don't give you promotion but certificates does!!! Op, define your line of career and know what's best to go for.[/quote]

This is by far the best advice given by mr Memphis (I mean Nashville).

Though many are trying to be helpful, the main thing now for you is to come up with a 5 year plan (GOAL) for starters. Having completed your BSc, you are aware of what you like, what you dont, your strong points, your weak points as well as what interests you. Then couple this with what Opportunities/Threats you see and create a plan on how to attain your goal (where you want to be in 5 years).

I also did Bach Econ and later did my MBA as well as professional certifications. I teach at an evening school and I work during the day (and night, sometime ) within the financial sector focusing on tax structures. Back then I knew I wanted to teach and didnt want to do a specific business post grad, hence the MBA. If you want to specialize andpossibly teach a Masters/PhD in Economics is not bad. So as you can see there are many variables, but first state your GOALS.

Success!

Nashville: As a senior professional myself, I will adivce you not to waste your time and money if you haven't figured out what you really want to do. I will never advise you take a professional exam or masters just for the fun of it. You shouldn't spend all that time and money when you are not sure what exactly you are trying to achieve. You just do not want to acquire another expensive piece of paper.

Some people suggest an MBA. It is the only qualification that I can say is generally always needed. But then the issue of where do you want to study your MBA comes in? Abroad or in Nigeria? It all depends on what you can afford!

Join the (growing) list of those who have been there done that. Im very sorry to tell you that your business is being mismanaged. I wouldnt go as far as saying you are being ripped off as I dont know your family or those in involved. I did something similar a while back investing a little more than what you have, only to disciver that it was run into the ground. The problem is that you are seen as a financer, so if the money is finished we will simply ask for more. Its even possible that any profit being made are being used elsewhere. When they say its cost NGN 15k, be rest assured it cost NGN 10k but they have added lunch, transport, jarra etc etc etc etc. The reason why workers dont stay is most likley the person in charge is not coming to work on time and is not professional so why should the workers. I feel for you badly as I can imagine what you are going thru thinking I can achieve something and also help my family. This only suceeds in very rare cases. The few I know succeed because the person makes suprises visits a couple of times in the year and has a financil advisor who he has check up every now and then. The worst part is you better not complain. If you do you will hear what I heard... OK IF THEY HAVE EATEN THE MONEY IS IT NOT IN THE FAMILY.

Yes I agree. The politicians will be FREE to rig and Nigerians will as always have to FAIR with the situation.

honeric01: There are no roles for gossipers in the Army o, i hope you know this?

Can you catch grenades?
Can you run 10,000 meters?
can you hold an AK 47?
Can you stand blood?
Can you stay without water for days?
Can you drink your urine?
Can you stay off sexx for a while?
And can you "service" your male colleagues and sometimes female colleagues in cold environment to keep them warm?

The "can you" is very long.

So once more, the Army is not a place for gossipers.

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Bruno Mars has no issues with the first requirement, he brags about it all the time on the radio, EASY.