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Hhhm.

Lol

What else did anyone expect the con men to say in order to defend their con game ?


No one, neither their defenders nor the con men themselves ever answer the question of " what do they or what are they supposed to do with the tithe money " ?

If these heartless con men were actually doing Charitable work with the tithe money, no one would ask or raise issues about tithe collection.

It is the sheer wickedness of these Christian pretenders , con men and greedy theives, who give absolutely ZERO, ZILCH back to their congregations, that makes the issue of tithe collection soooo painful to our collective intelligence, conscience and morality.

RRWraith:
I 'm a christian but i dont blame these people, at a time the government has failed people, the church which is supposed to provide succour have don little.
Still the church does not owe u anything, it is the government who owes u. The time and strength used to attack the church if used on the right authorities(the government) would have yielded results like better governance by now.

Correction my dear:

The church OWES everything .

Is the church not supposed to be a vessel, a sanctuary of justice, accountability, a sanctuary of Charity, of service to the sheep , of service to humanity ?

Even in a non- Religious context, simple human morality demands that if you take money from the public under the guise of Religion or any social enterprise for that matter, then , You OWE the same public not only full accountability, but the provision of charitable or social services that benefits all of the public, especially from those you freely take from.

How can these fraudsters ( and we all know they are fraudsters) take money , billions and billions from the public, and give ZERO back, and arrogantly expect not to be questioned ?
Only parasites take from the host without giving back.

This very common moral expectation should NOT even be a Subject of debate.

This issue isn't about daddy freeze vs Pentecostal Pastors.

The issue is about fraud vs justice, accountability vs non- accountability, Charity vs Wickedness, Common sense vs sociopaths.

bedspread:
Hmmmmm.......
Even if Pastor Adeboye was not a man of GOD, u don't insult ur Elders.....
More evil for u to Insult an Ordained Man of GOD.....

We be here Watching how ur Life Goes...

Shut up zombie.

If there is such a thing as heaven, then people who stand up to call out fraud and injustice ,like this lady, ought to be first in line to receive an award from God, assuming that the Christian god is as wise as believed.

dvkot:
I taught dz guy was making sense before but its obvious hz not, why attacking pastors? as a useless celeb that he is how much has he contributed, why dont you sell your rolex watches and ur gucci shoes and pay their flight ticket to bring them home. oloriburuku sombody...mtcheewww

Because Pastors collect billions and billions of free money from the masses under the pretext of doing god's work.

When the occasion rises for them to truly do god's work, to put their voices and tremendous financial resources ( collected from the public) into action for the service of humanity, to be godlike and Christ like, they all go into hiding.

Same thing they did during the Ebola crisis.
Nigerian pastors are the most greedy, heartless pack of hayena s and vultures in the planet.
Surely, there must be a special place in hell reserved for the Adeboyes, the Oyedepos, the Oyaks, the Okoties of Nigeria.

austonclint:
Prof. Itse Sagay, the chairman of the Presidential Advisory Committee on Anti-Corruption (PACAC), has stated that if former president Goodluck Jonathan had another 3 years in the office, we all will be crossing Sahara to Libya


watch the video below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw0yWvH2J_A
cc: lalasticlala

Nonsense.

What an incredible way to justify failure.

KingEbukasBlog:
Totally irrelevant sir . The fact is that Ancient Egypt had both their worship of Osiris and scientific agricultural methods(they were even more innovative as time progressed ) - this proves the dichotomy you presented is a false one .

And what were those scientific agricultural methods?

Making sacrifices and waiting for the seasonal flooding of the Nile ?
Get serious.

KingEbukasBlog:
False Dichotomy - which is a fallacy . Its not either god or scientific agricultural methods . The third option is to have both gods and scientific agricultural methods .

Example
The ancient Egyptians worshipped the god Osiris who was associated with the River Nile and the fertility of the land. Yet , they developed irrigation systems like the basin irrigation and other different forms of agriculture like horticulture for their gardens .

Anyone with a good knowledge of history of the Egyptians can attest to the abundance and robustness of agricultural outputs from ancient Egypt .

And where is ancient Egypt with their robust agricultural outputs today ?

KingEbukasBlog:
There are cultures in Nigeria and abroad who believed supernatural beings were responsible for the propitious times of sowing and harvest and still had good farming practices and robust agricultural outputs . Are you denying this ? Since they have good farming practices and robust agricultural outputs , does this validate their belief that supernatural beings were responsible for propitious times of sowing and harvest ?

False.
And we can easily test that.

You can make sacrifices to your god, and let me use scientific agricultural methods, and let us see who produces surplus and better crops.

There is a good reason why despite using a greater percentage of our lands for agriculture, we still do not produce enough to make food abundant and cheap, compared to smaller countries that we import food products from.

KingEbukasBlog:
How do you know which belief is true or false and how does either increase your chances of survival ?

Well if you believe , for example, that skydaddy is the only thing responsible for blessing believers with good harvest, then you would likely remain ignorant of good farming practices, and those that believe in biology and scientific methods for agriculture would most likely have more robust agricultural outputs, and mostly likely to survive than you and your clan of false believers.

Nigeria is a very good example.

urahara:
Have u noticed that the dude is getting more desperate these days .

Yes Indeed.
I recognize it.

There is a great disturbance in Force, or Farce , if you take his silly beliefs into consideration.

KingEbukasBlog:
I challenged him to a debate debunk those arguments himself and of course he chickened out with useless cavils . Isn't obvious who the empty vessel is ?

You can take his place though if you wish . State your date and time

No time for you, my young Padawan.

If Frosbel can evolve from homo-religilous to homo sapien sapien right before our eyes here in Nairaland, then there is abundant hope for you my young Padawan.

The Force , the atheist within you will balance itself in due time.

urahara:
Something just dawned on me now , you joined Nairaland in 2014 , this 2017 , you have still been using the same recycled bullshit arguments , time and time again even though they have been thoroughly debunked countless times , but yet................ ..

Lol.
He is a slow learner.

This guy went to school in place where they had over 90 Christian denominations in one campus.

Can you really blame the poor lad?
His brain is messed up BIGLY.

nNEOo:
It interesting to note that you can actually trace your 6to7th generations aback thanks to gene link but what you can boost of are mere dwindled heritable characters but can you also pinpoint the form in which the existed .....


Sometimes irredeemable things are lost through time but preserved by wide n complex knowledge of it the human mind only needs an idea to play with ....

There are no doubts that grand father to the 7th generation existed in the same human, negroid form that I am.

But however, the myths of Nna Mbe the tortoise, well preserved with its complex knowledge and wisdom imprinted on them, no matter how sweet they sound to me , and no matter the moral and ethical lessons embedded in them, are still nothing but myths.

Well , my friend, the Nigerian social landscape is a very very corrupt one, perhaps the most corrupt in the world.

As with political office holders, as with armed robbery, kidnapping, advance fee fraud (419) and other social vices, sociopaths are naturally drawn the prospects of easy money.

What makes pastorships much more alluring to sociopaths is that it is the most hassle free way to con multitudes and live large , but without the worry of ever being labelled a criminal.
In fact, rather than face criminal prosecution , the society, especially your victims, give you unreserved reverence and adulation.

It is the perfect crime.

With so much ignorance and hopelessness in the land,

A herd of sheep would always attract a pack of wolves.

OtemSapien:
And all religious folks have different devils.

Funny, isn't it ?

That's because their gods and their devils are born and nurtured in the ghetto crucibles of their minds.

nNEOo:
Same for your great great great grand father .....doesn't mean he never existed

Not quite Sir.

I am evidence of my great great great grand father's existence.
I bear his genes, which can be scientifically verified and traced to as far back in history as possible.

On the other hand, God, Jesus , the Devil, etc are nothing but primitive myths and superstitions of human social evolution.

Billyonaire:
The Mind is a complex computing system and thoughts are great creative codes, trust me, if mass consciousness thinks and visual a devil, the creation does manifest instantly at the Quantum level and finds expression in physical perspective. So, Yes, I can say that Humans have created Devils, Heavens and even Gods of their designs by their own thoughts.

It does not mean that you are wrong, it simply means that you can not think a thought outside the matrix, for what ever you are capable of thinking does exist and if it does not, you have created it in an alternate dimension with that thought, and you have the opportunity to materialize and 'observe' it. That is an aspect of God in us. For we are gods, and children of the THE MOST HIGH CREATOR GOD. And that CREATOR GOD is not Allah, and ofcourse not Jehovah.

IT IS MORE. And he sees the world through our eyes, the eyes of all other Gods and other sentient things. That makes IT OMNIPRESENT, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT and OM is its vibrational tone.

I agree with you in almost every aspect, except the one about a creator god. The notion of a creator god, as we have debated vigorously on this section, is a contradiction in terms, and nothing more than filling gaping holes in our perceptions of linear time.

As a pantheism, my own view is that god is in all and all is in god. The is only one singular thing in the universe. That thing is the energy that pulsates and reverberates throughout the universe , reverberating in multitudes of frequencies, that in turn gives rise to multitudes of motions, forms and sub-frequencies.

Every beginning marks an end to something previous, and every end heralds the beginning of something new.

nNEOo:
In personality I presume you speak of a concrete person, am less than. A thousand years old n couldn't have possibly known his form , but his personality excluding a concrete form of his existence is the embodiment of pure and unrefined evil one so tangible you can actually feel it presence or even touch it , the reason why many religious people guard their heart day n night a battle that every child is born into,

Protruding it form and using our choices as the base of it manifestation a war waged upon us unconsciously with a public shear display of dominance , should we pray for the irredeemable devil. ....

You know that something is imaginary when you pull out every imaginary and superlative words to describe it.
Same for God, same for Jesus, same for the Devil.

And by the way, why does the devil only wage war against Religious folks ?

hopefulLandlord:
many Atheists are focused on religion for the same reason(s) many doctors are so focused on cancer.

Excellent answer.

Makschinchin:
It always beats my imagination to note that those self acclaimed Nairaland atheists are always showing up on Religious topics.. Since you say you are atheist, I guess you should have nothing to do with religious posts, or don't you think so

Cc: capslocked, hopefullandlord, robynwelo1, plaetton, et al

If it beats your imagination why atheists are on the Religion section to debunk Religious nonsense, then perhaps your imagination needs a little boost.

kalvoken:
Hope it won't be too lait before you understand its importance

Of what importance is it, or has it been for the people of Nigeria, for good example ?

The fact that you yourself seem tired of repeating the same nonsense over and over again is proof enough that prayer is useless, redundant and superfluous.

No surprise here.

The word Pastor is synonymous with the word Fraudster.

FortifiedCity:
......and Buhari never acknowledged or sent condolences.

What a President!

The most useless president in the history of Nigeria.

NgeneUkwenu:
https://www.thecable.ng/tinubu-jonathan-administration-won-gold-medal-corruption

Laughing out loud.



This simply cannot be true.

Herdeybayo1:
It been about two three weeks now when my bestfreind notice there was blood present in he's ejeculation but now sick for any helpful adversed to these problem please.......

Actually, it not a big deal, unless it happens frequently.

It does occur once in a while.

If he is sick, he should of course seek medical attention.
But I doubt if there is a connection between the incident and his current illness.
Only a doctor can determine.

seunrebirth:
Young Nigerian Businessman Rejects Tonto Dikeh’s Pregnancy Claim As Abortion Goes Wrong?

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According to rumor and what i’ve read so far in the comments session on a post on instablog9ja’s, a nigerian businessman has allegedly turned down the responsibility of a pregnancy claim of popular actress and mother of one Tonto Dikeh recently.

The alleged pregnancy which was said to be about six weeks old was aborted by the actress after the claim was rejected by one Mr Hafiz according to a reliable source who spotted her and Hushpuppi at Intercontinental hotel and The George Hotel Lagos few weeks ago.

A complication was said to have occurred after the abortion some days later following a medical diagnosis that it has complications. Tonto Dikeh who got hooked up to the young boy Hafiz by Abuja Popular matchmaker Tutu Pie some months ago.

The unflinching passion for Hafiz stems from the fact that she loves younger guys she can influence to control or dance to her tune as revealed by the source close to Tutu Pie.

https://onlinegist.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Tonto-Dikeh-and-Hushpuppi.jpg

An inside source disclosed that the Actress return to the clinic in company of the Abuja Based hookup goddess Tutu Pie for the final removal or evacuation of the abortion remnant in her womb as it has caused her severe pains which Hafiz distanced himself from both the pregnancy and a possible relationship.

Tonto Dikeh recently posted a video with Hafiz on her instagram page following months of love show off between her and the Malaysia Gucci lover Hushpuppi on their pages.

https://onlinegist.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Tonto-Dikeh-and-Hushpuppi.jpg

The 26 years old ‎Hafiz has since returned to London after washing his hands off the allegation of impregnating the controversial actress. He was said to have ignored the actress pleasantries and birthday wishes to him both on instagram and other pages.

The question now is? Is Hushpuppi responsible for the pregnancy haven spotted them at some hotels together or Is Hafiz in a relationship with the mother of one Tonto Dikeh?

Read more comments in the post on instablog here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba9IjJHBO96/?taken-by=instablog9ja

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SEOURCE: http://onlinegist.com.ng/2017/11/07/young-nigerian-businessman-rejects-tonto-dikehs-pregnancy-claim-abortion-goes-wrong/

This thread should be deleted, or , Nairaland should look forward to the possibility of being sued.

This is the equivalent of murder.
No human being deserves this.

Coming to Nairaland to defame someone with horrible rumours is something that Seun and the Nairaland moderators should firmly stand against, talkless of promoting to the front page.

Seun and the mods:
This type of character assassination and defamation, based on them say them say, should have no place in a forum such as this.

It is callous, it is wicked, it is unfair.

Tonto Dikeh is someone's child, someone's sister, and most importantly, a little boy's mother.

This Forum is irreparably damaged if this thread is not taken down right away.

datproject:
There are certainly things OP can not understand about the member because you look at it from canal perspective. If you ask the member the meaning of what she did, she might tell you plainly she is not worshipping the chair, but the God that anointed the man that used to seat on the chair. Her motive to God is what matters, and not the manner at which you painted the picture from canal angle.

That's the great thing about the religious infested mind.
You can see shiit where non exists.
You make up any shiit , and interpret any shiit as it suits you.

sonofluc1fer:
Hmmm, the carnal mind will see a seat. The spiritual mind will feel the essence of God deposited like a fart upon that seat.
You just have to believe. And it will work.

I was about to say, which crazy mind would write stuff like this, then I saw that it good ol Sonoflucifer himself.

long time, Son of the most Hi.
How have you been ?

How is it going down there in hell ?

I hear that you have managed to smuggle Air conditioners there.

talkeverytime:
In today's world where there is lack of respect for spiritual authority and so much bad talks and accusation about men of God, people find it difficult to refer to a particular person as their pastor or man of God probably for the fear of being deceived or duped by the Pastor or being seen as a weak fellow for having "a Pastor".


It should be noted that for the case of this discussion, the word Pastor is used as a generic word for the five fold ministry (Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Pastors and Evangelists).
Now, I've heard a lot of people say things like "I don't need a Pastor to tell me what God says", "I can read the Bible for myself", "God can talk to me anywhere and anytime, I don't need any MOG". Some have even gone as far as labeling all Pastors entrepreneurs and fraudsters. The question I will like to ask you is why did God give us these ministry gifts if we do not need them? In Ephesians 4 verse 11, the Bible says ;
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers" KJV
So did God just give us these gifts that we do not need? No, we need them obviously and that's why he gave them to us. He told us the reason for giving them in the following verses. Ephesians 4 verse 12 - 14
"[12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
[13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
[14]That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; " KJV
I'm going to break down these reasons simpler for you to understand.

You need a "Pastor" to teach you.

I've explained that I'm using the word Pastor for the five fold ministry in this article, so I believe it shouldn't be a problem anymore.
Now you may say you can read the Bible and learn for yourself, I agree with you. In fact, you should read the Bible and know the word for yourself. But that doesn't replace the part of the Pastors, they are specially ordained by God for this purpose and there is an anointing upon their lives to carry it out.

You need someone to monitor your growth.

Yes, you do. Even though not all Pastors perform this properly but it's part of their job. They act like fathers to see to your well-being, your spiritual well-being particularly. Your spiritual well-being controls the physical, so once you perfect it there, you'll perfect it in other areas. So the Pastor watches you grow spiritually and detects when you're not making progress like you should do.

For correction .

This supports the point above. Your Pastor is there to correct you when you miss it. Once he detects that you're doing the wrong thing or not doing something right, he comes in.

You need a Pastor to inspire and motivate you.

You can say this is the work of a motivational speaker. Calm down. What I mean is you need someone to inspire you to do the things of God and to grow spiritually. That is what the Pastor should do with his teaching and his lifestyle.

You need a Spiritual Head to guide you.

There are just sometimes we need guidance. Yes, we have the HolySpirit to guide and direct us. But remember, one of the end reasons God gave us these five fold ministry is that "we should not be tossed to and fro" . It means these offices are required to keep us in a straight path. And you also need someone that represents you on the altar. You should not just pay your tithes to anyone and everyone. Take it to the Church (the church you attend; that is you must have a particular church) and give it in your church, that's where the blessing lies.

To protect you

Yes, your Pastor "keeps" you, through prayers, his word and prophecy over your life and his teachings. The fourteenth verse of Ephesians 11 suggests that Christians can be deceived by the cunning craftiness of men. This five fold ministry helps to prevent that and protect you.
So prayerfully seek for a church and join. Follow the leader attentively, it may be a Pastor, Prophet, Teacher, Apostle or Evangelist. They are all ordained for us.
This is where I'll stop for today. Please feel free to agree or disagree. Drop your comments


Source: http://www.talkeverytime.com/2017/09/6-reasons-you-need-pastor-in-your-life.html

Only if you admit that you're an idiot that you agree that you need a parasite in your life to interpret reality to you.

Pastors are social parasites , Tapeworms that prey on the poor, the weak and the ignorant.