₦airaland Forum

Amberon11:
Nonreligious people are almost always classified as atheists. And no Mark said he was never atheist and was even raised Jewish.

What kind of convoluted logic is this ?

lepasharon:
What y'all need to understand is that the Jsus in the bible and Jesus of Christianity are totally different personalities. Jesus in the Bible was a Jew,Christianity adopted him and deified him for Christianity and made into a man for all,whereas that wasn't the case at all.

Jesus became Christian !

Excellent point.

macof:
Only because you don't know what Spirituality is.

The Bible is not a spiritual guide but a religious book, there's nothing like a spiritual guide other than your own Ori/Chi which manifests as your intelligence and ability to make rational thoughts among others. Spirituality isn't built on faith, religion is.
Get the difference

Simply brilliant.

krayzieklay:
Reading all the comments from the Christian folks,I'm almost certain that most of them don't even know the origin of their foreign religion,how it came to be and stuffs... Imagine one ttwat writing we blacks are the original Jews,no nah you for just say we are the original Chinese people..#confusednitwit.... Smh reallly

DutchBruh:
Goverment propaganda,don't fall for this news. Nothing will happen to all the politicians in PDP,APC and APGA that all have properties in Dubai.

Just another Salah RAM for the Zombies.

peacesamuel94:
Why would you call something you don't understand irrational? before now, it would have sounded logical to believe in a geocentric universe, if we were to base our thinking on just what we see, because to the layman the earth physically, does not seem to be carrying out active motion. does it really mean the earth is static? would it be wise to mock those that belief In a moving earth?

Again , wrong on many counts.

Firstly, it very presumptive and arrogant of you to say or imply that atheist don't understand religion. 99 to 100% of atheists on Nairaland were once religious, and deal with religious people all their lives. I am confident that I, and most Nairaland atheists know and understand more about religion, the psychology of religion, the history of most religions than you and perhaps the far majority of Nigerian Christians.

peacesamuel94:
The only reason Why that seem to be the case, is because they are in the minority, try and imagine Nigeria being populated with the kind of atheists you see here on nairaland, the situation will be far worse.

Wrong again.
An anonymous forum gives a voice to everyone, especially those who don't have a voice in a lunacy bin almost 100% filled with religious nuts of very shade.
To prove your hypocrisy here, just take a look at the front page of the religious section , and tell us how many atheist threads you count compared to the number of Christian threads.
I mean, 100,000 pastors (my estimate) mount to pulpits, the airwaves, street banners, on buses, on the road every single day in Nigeria berating non-believers, those that don't buy their Middle East stone- age bullshytes. We hardly complain publicly because we are outnumbered 1 million to 1.
We find our voices online to rebut the bullshytes that you poison our society with.
And here you are, sulking, crying victim.
That's is called hypocrisy.

peacesamuel94:
..and lastly Christians do not force their doctrines down anyone's throat, you are always at liberty to accept or reject their message, when they come to you, saying that people get accosted In their homes and work place, like they have no will power, is pure exaggeration.

Like, are you serious ?

What planet do you live in ?

Are you so ignorant of history ?

peacesamuel94:
true, but despite the fact that the atheist is uncertain, most of the ones on nairaland do not act like are, they look down on religious people and scoff at their beliefs. Surely, that shouldn't be the way someone searching for answers should act. One would expect that they will respect other people's views, because they themselves do not know how we came to be, but the reverse is always the case.

Correction Sir.
It behoves everyone to scoff at irrational thinking and irrational acts.
There is plenty to mock about religion and the behaviors of religious nuts.

Secondly, I don't remember, and I very sure that no religious person can say that they have accosted in their homes, offices, on the Streets, the trains or buses by evangelical atheists.
The opposite is the case. Christians award themselves the sole prerogative of harassing and telling other people that whatever they believe, other than Jesus and the Christian god, are wrong and condemnable.

Uyi168:
Whats africans obsession with jesus?..the jews that lived with him dont even hold him in high esteem as we do..

I wonder about that slave mentality.

peacesamuel94:
if I were to ask you to why you are certain of the inexistence of God, I'm sure your reply will say that you're not certain of it, if that is the case, I don't think you're in the position to talk about enlightenment to theists, from what I've noticed, atheism is a belief system founded in uncertainty and heavy confusion , hence the job of opening our eyes with all due respect shouldn't be done by you guys.

Re: @ The bolded.

" It is better to start with UNCERTAINTY, and then gradually move into CERTAINTY, than to it is to start with CERTAINTY and then wobble and waffle in the face of DOUBTS.

He He He.

Another great disturbance in the FARCE.

onyenze123:
I never said I was an atheist. I don't like labels but if one should label me the closest will be deism/panentheism. Maybe because the code in your brain is going haywire your have already labelled me one. Now in reply to your points:

1. I am not ok with the "fact" that some persons massacred people for whatever reason in the past. You also need to understand that atheism is not the sole reason for this. Religion, ethnicity, class, resources, politics... caused most of those massacres.

2. It doesn't matter whether I am okay with their support or non-support. As for LGBT and the rest, I don't like the act just the way I hate cigarette but I don't hate them (LGBT) just the way I don't hate my friends that smoke.

3. If I get your question, you are asking why I complain about religion. You can reread my previous response. As a reminder, I am not an atheist, I am a human being.

4. Religion began science? lol. Man began science not religion

5. Religion never interferes with politics? You are really naive if you say so and I am not surprised.

Finally to the question of consciousness: We don't know for sure, it boils down to belief and I have already told you mine.

Excellent rebuttal.

Sarassin:
I am not sure that it is a question of the fear of atheist’s I think it’s more subtle and deep-rooted than that. I see more of a self-righteous insecurity and that old chestnut, the safety in numbers rule allied with a certain degree of yearning for conformity, Christianity as it exists today is largely a collective acquiescence to belief in belief for its own sake. Most cannot carry the cross of Christ and walk in his shoes as required.

Many Christians will instantly point fingers to the relevant parts of their scripture that guarantees them eternal life but with each pointed finger they fail to see that it is themselves they seek to convince. Christianity has always been that way, it is a reactive religion from the days of the early church fathers, the entire redemptive nature of the Christian doctrine is based on refuting the accusations of others, the great apostle Paul himself on no less than four separate occasions was minded to protest ‘I am not lying', and was 'telling the truth' ‘before God’ clearly he was under pressure to justify his doctrine.

The entire religion was under pressure from its earliest inception, anyone who has studied the writings of Irenaeus (Against heresies) or even Justin Martyrs’ dialogue with Trypho will gain an understanding of the insecurities of early Christianity that persists till today.

Excellent analysis.

MrPresident1:
Plaetton, please I need to understand your position.

Are you just irreligious, or you do not accept the existence of order in the universe (order presupposes that the universe is guided and under control)?

Funny question.
So , it must one or the other ?

I am not just irreligious, but a bona fide atheist. I don't believe in the existence of a sky Papa.

Now, as per your second question.
Order or chaos depends upon what vantage point one views the universe.
If for example you lived near Jupiter or the Planet Mercury, all you would see is chaos.

MrPresident1:
However, a true African NEVER questions the existence of a Higher Force guiding the paths of men, and the course of the universe.

Interesting.

" Never Questioning" things, never curious , never challenging the faculties of thought. Isn't that, perhaps the bane of our scientific and technological underdevelopment ?

You seem to have hit nail on the head with that one.

Let me repeat what I quoted so often here on matters of religion and existence.
" It is better to start from DOUBTS , then work your way to arrive at CERTAINTY, than it is to start with CERTAINTY, and then wobble in DOUBTS in the face of new knowledge or facts.

The religious posture seems to be the latter.

You must question everything until you arrive at CERTAINTY.

Because atheism is not a philosophical proposition, I find no need to wear my atheistic worldview as a badge. I tolerate the fact that the far majority of people I come into contact with everyday have one religious belief or another.
But what I cannot ever seem to understand is why Christians, who enjoy and relish advertising and promoting their own God /Jesus worldviews, actually seen to melt down into tantrums and convulsions whenever they encounter an atheist.

I have experienced this too many times, and have lost potentially good friendships with people of the Christian faith who are very very eager to preach their silly unsolicited stone age beliefs to me, but seem to go into convulsions when I reveal atheistic worldview to them.

Does it not mean that the entire edifice of faith and beliefs are built upon, based upon , and rely solely upon self- validations ?

Like I asserted in a recent thread, the entire edifice of religious belief and faith , gods and saviours , relies on acceptance , and then shared acceptance of same by others.
God begins to die when people, people like me, begin to reject the notion.

I really want to understand how a Christian mind reacts when they encounter a live atheist. I have seen the same repeating pattern of disappointment, resentment and a complex that follows whenever a Christian forces me to assert my atheistic worldview.

Their reactions and subsequent attitudes towards me is proof that religious belief is like a psychological Ponzi scheme, whereby everyone feels or receives Validation when the person above or below you reasserts or revalidates the same nonsense that you believe as your primary worldview.
When someone, an atheist like me, Threatens to invalidate that worldview, then the entire psychological Ponzi scheme becomes at risk, vulnerable to dismantling.

I had an encounter with a friend yesterday, a religious nut, who had no idea that I was an atheist.
In typical fashion, he provoked an argument on religion, but when I countered with facts, I could immediately see the melt down on his countenance. He couldn't stand the argument, because he had no facts, so he quickly disappeared. I know that that is probably the end of budding friendship.
But why, I ask ?

Why does he expect me accept and Validate his very very silly stone age beliefs, but melts down when I counter with facts based on hundreds of years of accumulated scientific knowledge ?
Isn't that proof that religious faith is based on nothing but mere wishful thinking ?
And that religious faith is simply the extreme version of DOUBTS , Doubts camouflaged by Fear ?

malvisguy212:
almost all the people experiencing NDE, when they narrate it, its the same story, if it is brain frequency as you say, there story should be different, don't you think ?

Not really.
I said before that people interpret these experiences based on their beliefs or worldviews.

A native African villager cannot have the same NDE story as an educated Christian European, or a native Hindu from India.
Our embedded worldviews determine how we interpret these experiences.

malvisguy212:
good to see you again. @op. what about people who experience NDE, "Near death experience" ? are they given this same magic mushrooms ?

Greetings Malvisguy212.

The articles is exploring, and I have argued severally that all these experiences are simply brain frequency modulations caused by chemical reactions in the body or brain, especially during or after trauma.

GooseBaba:
Baba Plaetton....I salute ohh...where you dey get this your studies from sef? ...even when I parabulate internet finish I still don't run into articles like this...I hail ohh...

I salute.

Excerpt :
"Moses saw a burning bush. Paul saw Jesus on the road to Damascus. St. Teresa had ecstatic visions.

When psychologist William Richards looks at religion, he sees mystical experiences everywhere. The same sort of experiences, he reasons, that come from mind-altering drugs.

That’s why he’s giving magic mushrooms to religious leaders, for a research project based at Johns Hopkins University and New York University.

“There are — it’s so hard to put this into language — sacred eternal experiences that the human being is capable of having. They seem to be at the origin of most religions,” he said. “What we call the eternal seems incredibly real.”

In the Hopkins and NYU study, two dozen clergy — including priests, pastors and rabbis — are taking controlled doses of psilocybin, the drug found in psychedelic mushrooms, under the watchful eye of scientists."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/07/24/at-johns-hopkins-clergy-try-mind-altering-drugs-for-scientific-research/?utm_term=.8f5b39d9b0db

konfused:
Funny how an individual will just wake up, sit down and think up something that has no empirical evidence just to antagonise and confuse the masses.

Everyone should investigate and confirm before believing any trash being spewed.

I am neither in support of waste nor do I support the wanton corruption in Nigeria, but not every news should be digested hook line and sinker without evidence.

36million a month? Akuko

Shut up dia.
Senator Ben Bruce Murray had already done the maths for us since last year.
That these legislooters earn more than N30m per month is an established fact.

When exactly, where exactly in our Democratic Constitution were the Nigerian Army given any Powers to make laws ?

Wow.
See how quickly our18yr old Democracy has quickly slid right into Dictatorship, Fascism and Tyranny, thanks again to who else but Mohammadu Buhari.

What a curse to this Land.

Wunmi01:
https://nairametrics.com/selective-minimum-wage-explained/

Another Bullshyte.

Selective minimum wage is another code word for applying Federal Quota system to wages paid to federal workers.

I can wager that federal workers from Katsina , Borno, Kano States, etc, would be beneficiaries, whereas, Anambra, Imo States, for sure, would not be beneficiaries.

VargasVee:
http://dailypost.ng/2017/08/23/breaking-buhari-cancels-fec-meeting/

London, here we come again.

lightblazingnow:
Everything we complain...

It just shows how we lead our own personal life full of complaints, not being able to fix a thing in our lives but expect someone else to fix us...


If you notice something isn't working right in your country Nigeria pray,if you notice the world is getting darker pray

After all, you were warned in the holy Bible that darkness will cover the earth and gross ignorance the people, but the glory of the lord God Almighty shall rise upon you.

And his glory shall be seen in you

Shut up dia.
Mentally lazy fools


Pray pray pray.

What has all the megatons of prayer power we unleash every day ever gotten us ?

Elose11:
This broadcast was not recorded today. Since the president refers to 18 months, it appears the broadcast was made around February. Are we been taking for a ride again?

Thank you for pointing that out.

PassingShot:
We celebrate his return because many idiots and pigs said he was dead, bed-ridden, unable to speak, etc. Some even vowed to commit suicide if he returned. Such was their level of confidence and hate.

If your father survives a serious illness that could have taken his life, I'm sure you'll celebrate it. PMB is more than a father to many of us.

Deal with it.

Actually, the facts remain that Buhari is chronically ill. If you know the meaning of "Chronic" , it means he will never recover from his afflictions.
The facts remain that he was near-death, he is still bedridden, we haven't heard speak yet, so we still assume that he is impaired, and he is hated by large swaths of the population.

Now, what exactly are you zombies celebrating ?
That he is feeling better now ? Ok , good for him and his family.

But what next ?
When is he likely to go back to London for more treatments and more expensive life-saving procedures ?
Is he fit enough for the grinding rigors of being President?
Just Looking at him right now, I can Tell you capital NO.

He is unfit, physically and mentally to stay in office.
180m Nigerians do not need to be dragged through Buhari's chronic illness .

Goodluck to him on his continuing battle with his mortality.
But Nigeria needs to move on.

thesicilian:
Christianity is not white man religion.

Yes it is.

tinsel:
If they come to pick the op up, he will start to cry. Mind what you post at any time. Don't get involved in dirty politics before you will be trampled because you are nobody. When they lock you up, nobody will remember you.

Sharap dia

So you mean that Nigeria, after a golden 16 years of democracy and the rule of law has now reverted back to Animal Farm , where citizens are picked up and locked up for expressing views publicly ?
And this the country and government you are proud of ?

You are the one who should be mindful of the nonsense you write.

emorse:
I wish you would be fair enough to scrutinize other arms of government this much. The NASS just spent about $20m to buy cars but the amount of money spent on the presidents health gives you more concern. May the type of illness that will make your enemies gloat over you never befall you and any of yours. Can I get an amen?

Of course, the NASS is wasteful. That much is known.
It still doesn't legitimize spending $30 to extend the life of a chronically ill individual for a short period of time.

At the end of the day, that same individual still lacks the physical and mental strength to govern a complex nation of 180m.

In this animal farm, I guess one animal is more equal than others.

Quite frankly, every gets I'll, especially at old age. And every will eventually die of one affliction or another.
Personally , I am not among those that wish him quickly recovery. I only wish him Karma.

I am only concerned, even angry that he doesn't follow the path of honor and integrity ( that he boasts about) , and go home to his private life And family to mind his health and enjoy whatever time he has left on Earth.
Nigeria, as a nation, shouldn't be suffering Buhari's chronic illness with him.
The presidency is not his birthright.
It is a trust , a temporary trust reposed on him by the millions that voted for him , and the millions more that accepted him as the President of Nigeria.
It's not fair.

jaybee:
You wanted to celebrate the coming of his corpse and you will never celebrate throughout your lifetime.

Oh shut, you zombie.

Who has ever lived forever ?

Buhari will die, as will you and I , sooner or later.
I personally have no pity for him, and honestly don't care whether he dies tomorrow or next decade.

The glaring fact is that he suffers chronic, painful conditions that renders him physically and mentally incapacitated to lead as president of Nigeria today.

If you are comfortable with being ruled by someone in permanent sickbed, let so be your own personal lot in your life.

Nigerians, for the sake of the futures of our children and grandchildren, should say a loud, NO THANKS.

daveyjay:
with no leadership trait?? point out the qualities of a leader in this old dunce, forsaking his followers for over 3months with no care...
is that your definition of leadership?? you're obviously living in 1545

Don't mind the mindless Zombies.
Imagine a man kept alive by the good grace of $30m of Nigeria's Commonwealth, yet his family and cabal kept insisting that the Nigerian public didn't deserve to know the truth of the health status of their president.
There is no honor or integrity remotely connected to Buhari nor his government.