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MaxInDHouse:
Of course it's by WORKS {James 2:18-26} but not the one humans figured out from their own generosity {Isaiah 64:6} rather it's based on complete obedience to what Jesus taught us to do as WORKS of FAITH.
Whoever failed to do it is doomed! Matthew 7:21-23

*Politeness*
Ok, you know better than St Paul and Silas and Timothy and even Christ himself (remember thief on the cross going straight to heaven). You wish ACCEPTING salvation through Christ were not enough.
Unfortunately for you (and I admit it is quite counter-intuitive) it is!

MaxInDHouse:
The name "CHRISTIANS" is most important not how each of them react in later times because they're all on the journey to life. The first thing they have to know is what assignment Jesus gave his disciples to do without that no matter how much they call Jesus' name or charity works they're doing all is in vain.

So the first thing is knowing what Christians are supposed to be doing now as the assignment Christ gave them to do not charity works or claiming Christians and shouting his name up and down!

*Politeness*
Well, the truth is that Christianity is NOT as complicated as you'd have it be.
Salvation in Christianity is NOT works-based as in other religions, no matter how much we wish it were so. It is Savior-centered!

■[[(Acts 16:30-31) The jailer, greatly concerned, approached the two, falling before them and pleading, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” Paul and Silas replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” ]]■

Note that the entire Christian household is saved - impossible if it were by works

■[[(Ephesians 2:8-9) It is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” ]]■

BUT!! good works are the natural outcome of following salvation through Christ!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK the problem is billions don't care to know what Christianity entails they're simply carried away with charity works thinking that's what Jesus taught so whoever is using Jesus name to do charity works is a Christian or man of God to them.
Thanks!

*Politeness*
Exactly. Though ideally ALL Christians ought be like early disciples - poverty,suffering for, and if necessary, die for Christ. But how many Christians are like that??

Zonefree:
Erica is being unwise and naive.

In the sexual world, a man with high body count is an asset while a woman with high body count is a liability and disgrace to the society.

Don't stress it, na so e be...

*Politeness*
But isn't that HIGHLY UNFAIR??
Anyway I blame nature - gave both of us same sex drive but gave only guys the freedom to indulge as you wish, as desirable opportunities arise!
And some u guys still complain about everything!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!
Please below is my first post on this thread so i never quoted anyone

*Politeness*
Oh, ok. I don't usually look at monikers. I quoted a few people on that one post, didn't know one was you

Everydaylove:
Even christ was accused of using devil's power . Infact he was almost stoned and thrown from the hill out of hatred. Sine people there to lift you. Some are there to pull you down.

*Politeness*
Yes, but not by his closest associates who lived with him for years and saw everything first hand. Those were ready to die for him and even the one who betrayed him killed himself!

7upnigeria:
I know faith is quite important for healing but go and check, it's not all the places that he MENTIONED their faith. Did the disciples also mentioned their faith when he sent them 2 by 2 and demons cast out in the name of Jesus.

For the people who got healed thru TB Joshua, if they had not come filled with faith, they wouldn't have been healed. People come from as far as Israel to Nigeria here for healing, it takes faith to come from that far.

*Politeness*
I can assure you, if you knew TB's miracles were fake and staged, you could live in SCOAN forever and not be healed of a headache. On the other hand if you believe TB would heal you through tv, you can stay in your house in SA and place your hand on your TV and you'll be healed!

MaxInDHouse:
Let's not be wasting our time on this because it's obvious you don't know what it means to be a Christian so you shouldn't have quoted me in the first place

when you don't know what a Christian supposed to be doing for observers to identify him as one of Christ's disciples!

*Politeness*
Funny guy. YOU quoted me!
I said I'd followed this for a while and from all I deduce TB was never a Christian. You jumped in to ask me how I know if Hindu, Buddhist, Moslem, etc is saved!
Talk about non sequitur!

MaxInDHouse:
This is where the problem lies!

TB Joshua also claimed he believe in Christ that's why i asked you to tell what observers will see to identify a real Christian not just what they claim!

*Politeness*
I hardly need to answer this. A Buddhist can say he is a Christian but people who know him and worked with him closely will testify he's a Buddhist, as in this video below and the one before!

5 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLBIDQopPlo?si=XC9DaHuk-Cg6sQze

MaxInDHouse:
So what makes a person CHRISTIAN?

*Politeness*
As I told u, a Christian doesn't believe in Hindu or Buddhist gods, neither is he a traditionalist, atheist, or moslem. He believes in Christ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL6ZhV2qNps?si=kPRJ07Ycz2u4nN8T

MaxInDHouse:
Noooooooooo!

I never asked if they're Christians that's where you're getting it wrong i asked if they will be saved for not practicing what TB Joshua did even though they don't believe in Jesus.

Do you get it now?

*Politeness*
U the one who doesn't get it. I said TB was not a Christian, never said anything about being saved

Kingsnairaland:
God bless tb jouhua.

*Politeness*
It is quite ok to say God bless TB, but at same acknowledge he was into sorcery and his accusers are not all lying

MaxInDHouse:
You're missing something here.

So let's take it back a bit:
TB Joshua did a lot of CHARITABLE ACTS but by the end of the day we heard a lot of hidden things that's bad about him so you concluded that due to those bad reports TB Joshua can't be a Christian.
That's why i asked you to tell me what are the things a Christian should engage in for him to gain salvation?
Then you said "it's not about what he does but what he doesn't do like TB Joshua had done"
Then i asked what of people who don't know or want to know anything about Jesus but have been virtuous all their lives are they saved?

So i'm not talking about an atheist being a Christian because he doesn't see anything worthwhile in being a Christian but has chosen to be virtuous!

*Politeness*
You may be a bit confused. A Christian believes in the Lord Jesus. You mentioned a list of people who, by definition, don't believe in Christ - and asked me if they are Christians!

MaxInDHouse:
So if a Traditionalist, Buddhists, Muslims, Atheist, Agnostic, Hindu or Judaist is not doing what you heard about TB Joshua they will be saved even though they don't care about what Jesus taught?

*Politeness*
They can't be any of those and still be Christians.
You ought know better

MaxInDHouse:
So what are the things a CHRISTIAN should be doing for observers to identify him or her as one of Christ's disciples?

Before you respond note that whatever Jesus' disciples are doing to gain salvation cannot be found outside Christianity otherwise Jesus can't be the only way, truth and life if someone who is not a Christian can successfully practice what Jesus taught as means of salvation.

So how do you identify a real Christian since TB Joshua did what moved millions to accept him as a minister of Christ?

*Politeness*
It is more what a Christian should NOT be doing. Christians are humans and are not sinless at all, but there are things that mark one as not a Christian at all - things like believing in and using the powers of another entity altogether. I read where TB's mother was warning him not to use the dark powers (apparently there's a power they both knew about). Well, apparently TB did just that!

*Politeness*
Here's the rest of the list.
What do you think? Do you agree? Are these your favorite movies?

2. Battle on Buka Street (2022) - ₦668,423,056 

3. Omo Ghetto: The Saga (2020) - ₦636,129,120 

4. The Wedding Party (2016) - ₦452,288,605 

5. Chief Daddy (2018) - ₦387,540,749 

6. Sugar Rush (2019) - ₦287,053,270 

7. King of Boys (2018) - ₦244,775,758 

8. Merry Men: The Real Yoruba Demons (2018) - ₦235,628,358 

9. Merry Men 2: Another Mission (2019) - ₦234,505,169 

10. Your Excellency (2019) - ₦186,340,948 
"Your Excellency" rounds off our list of the top 10 highest-grossing Nigerian films with a domestic gross of ₦186,340,948. Directed by Funke Akindele, this political satire follows the journey of a businessman who unexpectedly becomes the President of Nigeria. With its sharp wit, relatable humor, and socio-political

*Politeness*
Forunner of Bobrisky. But we've always had queers here but they've always been only one or two and no one paid any attention to them

Reelmii:
Hmm..i am not a fan nor have i believed or being a member of his church...

But ny question is..why is no one dragging his wife??

Is it that all of this thing his is being accused off, his wife was never aware??

She is alive so they should drag her since it is only the living that can respond to accusations...even if they won't accuse her,, they should include her in their accusations so that she can come out to clear the air.

Or does it means thar TB Joshua does not carry his wife along

I just dot like the idea of accusing a dead person tgar can't defend itself..

*Politeness*
His wife was also a victim. @bolded is correct
SCOAN can still be a credit to the body of Christ - TB and his socery are the culprits not the members or current leadership

MaxInDHouse:
I don't get it.
Is it that TB Joshua is not a man of God?
or
Christians don't commit such atrocities?
or
His church should be closed?

OBUKSBAYELSA:
I stand with Scoan, Pastor Evelyn Joshua and my late spiritual mentor Prophet TB Joshua.
The more they castigate and lie against him the more I believe his ministry

AgentNairaland:
You're the true worshippers, I salute your courage.. When those bastards knew his miracle were fake, WHY DO THEY STAY THERE?

*Politeness*
Having followed this for some time, no TB was never a Christian and was into sorcery.
Doesn't mean the church should be closed - membership and wife are innocent.
But stop supporting evil or keeping silent.
All it takes for evil to triumph is that bystanders do/say nothing

aktolly54:
I might be occultist man of God and still be doing miracles. Doing miracles alone don't only mean you are true son of God

*Politeness*
Indeed. There is GREAT power in our BELIEF.
If someone truly believes someone or something will heal them, it will heal them. That's what placebo effect is all about

effectz123:
Why didn't God heal the child through you.

Curious345:
Yes he did . Not God did.
I know several babalawo who perform more eye catching miracle

7upnigeria:
Yes its God but God uses people for his glory. Why didnt God use the mother to heal the child?

*Politeness*
We Christians ought to be discerning nau.
How many times did Lord Jesus say "YOUR FAITH healed you". And the Bible says he COULD NOT perform major miracles in his hometown because they didn't believe he could.
How many times have we seen people selling fake be all confused because people came back with testimonies of how they were healed?!

festacman:
One interesting thing about the BBC documentary on T.B Joshua is that NOBODY has accused him of human sacrifice. It is remarkable.

Shuggaa:
Pastor tb Joshua was a good man, irrespective of what

*Politeness*
How about this one below
All it takes for evil to triumph is that bystanders do/say nothing

30 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL6ZhV2qNps?si=GvHbe_-3RjtlvxsP

obonujoker:
When we tell you not to join the multitude to do evil, y'all won't understand.

Allow God to judge those who say they are men of God called by God himself.

David said, "far be it from me that I condemn the Lord's anointed"...

*Politeness*
All it takes for evil to triumph is that observers do/say nothing

nairavsdollars:
The man handsome as a young man

*Politeness*
If you stole all the money he stole you'd be handsome too!😅

*Politeness*
No longer a big deal. There are now PILLS that make u lose weight

LegendHero:
No one can fight the federal government easily.

If they pronounce APC, there will be riot for few day from few people, police/military will come in to quench it and the politicians will start cross carpeting.

Life continues the next week.

*Politeness*
You nailed it. Nigerians are funny people - they always say the country will burn, then nothing happens! Even when Supreme Court threw out a popular 2-year gov in Imo and announced an unpopular 4th place finisher as gov - based on clearly forged ballots, NOTHING HAPPENED!

christejames:
Normal thing for the judiciary, as expected!

Incumbent always wins!

*Politeness*
Well, in Imo, Ihediha unfairly sacked after 2 tears in office

felup:
Waiting Plateau State

*Politeness*
But they have ruled on Plateau
https://www.nairaland.com/7967923/plateau-supreme-court-affirms-caleb

fergie001:
My position earlier:

https://www.nairaland.com/7851680/what-electoral-act-really-says/3#126111226

*Politeness*
But same SP in the Imo case (Uzodima v. Ihediha) disqualified irregular ballots that were already allowed by PO and RO

themainman600:
how market bros

*Politeness*
I think Ladylite is a lady - says so right in the moniker!
But hasn't been seen since 2021

themainman600:
Was on off today just tuned to the channel and saw them ministering their anointing water and holy sticker you could see how people are falling down and vomiting in the blink of an eye.....but I somehow am feeling this is strange

*Politeness*
Well, you nailed it. I'd have said you could be a seer, but people were already talking long b4 2021 - so you probably saw it somewhere

*Politeness*
We don't have "summer" here, neither do we have winter. We have rainy and dry season, maybe harmattan.
This is a Nigerian forum!