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*Politeness*
Ridiculous generalizations.
Kindly, how old are you OP?

HugeElephant:
This is a flawed pattern of thought. Your kids have their own lives, their own path. Children are not a pension plan.

Your kids deserve all the good and guidance to become a better person

*Politeness*
Extremely flawed and low faith. Imagine, his aim and dream is to burden his children with giving him money instead of aiming to have enough to be giving them and his grandkids

*Politeness*
Good job OP

IGNigintLtd:
So this is the RUBBISH you have been struggling to type for over 1 hr now??
Put cold water beside you tonight and let your love ones watch after u so that u won't get High BP. And also get ready for what happens next.

*Politeness*
Please explain. What part of what I wrote is rubbish and why?
One hour? It took me less than 3 min to write it!

*Politeness*
Ok, but why does he look like a person about to play babalawo in a Nollywood movie??

*Politeness*
Damage control!
Just accept that TB was flawed and occultic.
Does not mean SCOAN cannot be salvaged.
Get rid of all the socery and occultic elements. Stop fake and staged miracles. Become Christ-centered not miracle-centered, and SCOAN can yet be credit to the body of Christ. Learn from Joel Olsteen. He doesn't perform any miracles yet has the biggest church!

*Politeness*
Because we are wise. Because women don't "love" like that. Because most times who we "love" is not ready or is not suitable in other ways. Because we know there is 95% chance we'd marry the wrong person no matter what (see below).
Women know marriage is about raising a family and social standing. We know "love" quickly fades.
BUT we don't marry who we can't stand either!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy when talking of disciples betraying their master it has always been the same process and you've rightly figured it out that one of the apostles of Christ (closest confidants) sold him out for cash so it's nothing new!

I never quoted you first so you should have stated your position without quoting me if you don't have the nerve for thorough investigation.
Please next time don't quote me because I'm not one of those that's carried away with stories i can't verify to judge someone.
TB Joshua has his good and bad side that is not enough reason to judge him the thief you talked about believe in Jesus just as TB Joshua also believe so if you don't know how to figure out deep truth please next time don't quote me thinking you can persuade me to join you in your preconceived thought.
Thanks!

*Politeness*
Typical example of what I was talking about - despite you've been shown videos posted online long BEFORE BBC and shown that people have been saying these things about TB for years you're INCAPABLE of deviating from JW position!

Anybody can quote you, this is that type of forum (and BTW I already told u I usually don't check monikers b4 quoting). It is now up to you to know that NOTHING the person says and no EVIDENCE they present can make you deviate from JW position, no matter how obviously flawed it is. Sooo, you simply state JW position and let it be.

ONE apostle pointed Christ out (after he was assured nothing would happen to Christ), and later killed himself out of remorse.
That's what you're comparing to TB !

*Politeness*
Their modus operanda.
T H I E V E S !!!
But how did they figure you have that kind of money in your account?

MaxInDHouse:
Go to Israel and listen to horrible stories that unbelieving Jews are spreading about Jesus and his disciples what you heard about TB Joshua on BBC na play o.
Let me give you a little bit of what unbelieving Jews are saying about Jesus in Jerusalem please travel to Israel and listen to what Jews who aren't believers are saying about Jesus:

*Because his mother never got the pregnancy from his father so he was a bastard and perhaps not even a Jew.
*His foster father left a good hand work that's feeding the whole family but Jesus abandoned it and started moving about with only males who may be homosexuals.
* He learned how to practice magic and got his powers from demons.
* He later started sleeping with a prostitute (Mary Magdalene) who had a son for him.
* He claimed he was from the Royal lineage of King David whereas Joseph wasn't his real father.
* He turned people against God's laws and broke many families apart.
* He was never bold to face the truth as he ran away when some people wanted to make him King with his powers at least to help them conquer Rome.
* He was later arrested, charged, arraigned, tried, convicted, sentenced and executed with due process.
* His disciples later started lying to people that he woke up three days later but nobody saw him except his own disciples who are surely lying to deceive the people.
With all of these coming out from Jesus' own people do you think TB Joshua's case is still weighty judging from the stories compiled by foreigners?
Jesus was accused not by foreigners but by his own people who are still battle prepared today to fight and kill anyone claiming Jesus is the Messiah (Christ)

So if you want to talk about TB Joshua not being a man of God there are scriptural based points you can use not what BBC compiled otherwise Jesus of Nazareth would be condemned if we're to go by what his own people are saying today!

*Politeness*
I forgot to address this.
See comparing apples and cars!
These are the closest associates of TB who worked with him, lived with him for years, and saw everything first hand.
On the other hand, apostles of Christ's and his closest associates were ready to die for him and even the lone Judas who collected money to point him out, later committed suicide from guilt!

** Kindly, you really ought stop arguing with people on this forum since you receive your position from JW and CAN'T deviate from it - no matter how nonsensical.
Simply state your position and let it be.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't understand what you're saying but i will bring it out life for you to grasp the WORK of faith done by that thief!
Remember there were two thieves both were Jews as they were about to be executed one asked Jesus to perform a miracle for them to escape the punishment that's due meaning he also realized that Jesus is a prophet with great miraculous powers but the other thief rebuked him telling him that they both deserved what they're facing as real criminals but Jesus wasn't so he turned to Jesus and asked for a permission to enter God's kingdom where he will right his wrong.
So what was the WORK?
Jesus commanded his disciples to go preaching and teaching about God's kingdom under the Christ this the thief believed and is now confessing it publicly under excruciating pains. Both thieves believe Jesus is a prophet but the other thief PREACHED and TAUGHT his cohort that they're both standing before the Christ who is the anointed King of God's kingdom!
That's how he gained Jesus' attention not just believe otherwise both of them believe that Jesus is a prophet but only one was ready to preach and teach about the Christ which is exactly the WORK Jesus COMMANDED his disciples to go out there and do! Matthew 28:18-20
So he never gained Jesus' approval simply because he believes his friend also believed.

Go to Israel and listen to horrible stories that unbelieving Jews are spreading about Jesus and his disciples what you heard about TB Joshua on BBC na play o.
Let me give you a little bit of what unbelieving Jews are saying about Jesus in Jerusalem please travel to Israel and listen to what Jews who aren't believers are saying about Jesus:

*Because his mother never got the pregnancy from his father so he was a bastard and perhaps not even a Jew.
*His foster father left a good hand work that's feeding the whole family but Jesus abandoned it and started moving about with only males who may be homosexuals.
* He learned how to practice magic and got his powers from demons.
* He later started sleeping with a prostitute (Mary Magdalene) who had a son for him.
* He claimed he was from the Royal lineage of King David whereas Joseph wasn't his real father.
* He turned people against God's laws and broke many families apart.
* He was never bold to face the truth as he ran away when some people wanted to make him King with his powers at least to help them conquer Rome.
* He was later arrested, charged, arraigned, tried, convicted, sentenced and executed with due process.
* His disciples later started lying to people that he woke up three days later but nobody saw him except his own disciples who are surely lying to deceive the people.
With all of these coming out from Jesus' own people do you think TB Joshua's case is still weighty judging from the stories compiled by foreigners?
Jesus was accused not by foreigners but by his own people who are still battle prepared today to fight and kill anyone claiming Jesus is the Messiah (Christ)

So if you want to talk about TB Joshua not being a man of God there are scriptural based points you can use not what BBC compiled otherwise Jesus of Nazareth would be condemned if we're to go by what his own people are saying today!

*Politeness*
Kindly, it's as if you are tone deaf and don't read or watch anything I post. The videos I posted from the ladies were put on YouTube BEFORE TB died. They had nothing to do with BBC. One even wrote a book:
https://youtube.com/shorts/DwSMf9_ZzkA?si=u4Oet2DJ1wmRXHf8

About Lord Jesus, even lawyers don't twist things like this. The Bible is EXPLICIT: Savation is a gift from God that you simply accept, it is not due to any works you did! Are you saying the Bible is lying? Or tell us how to twist this EXTREMELY CLEAR passage to mean works!

■[[(Ephesians 2:8-9) It is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” ]]■

drsibz66:
So I'm essence you saying they all decided to confess to BBC and BBC was gathering the confessions until it was complete and they published it. Because I know naturally such news normally gets published even after one person's confessions Because I don't Know why BBC got 5o know there were others people they needed ro wait for to confess before publishing it.

Such news usually comes out individually as people come out to collaborate the stories and share their experience

No, this was not BBC. This was posted BEFORE TB died. She was talking long b4 BBC and even wrote a book
https://youtube.com/shorts/DwSMf9_ZzkA?si=u4Oet2DJ1wmRXHf8

tensazangetsu20:
I have talked extensively about this. I wont talk about it again.

*Politeness*
No need to. It is spelled out below, besides we're neither Chileans nor Singaporeans

tensazangetsu20:
Not just visa-free access. Chileans can also work by virtue of being Chilean citizens. In the USA, there's a specific visa for Chileans called H1B1 which allows them to work in the USA. For Canada, Chileans are one of the few nationalities that can work in Canada without the need for an LMIA due to the Chilean Canadian free trade agreement. They also have the same opportunities to work in Japan, Germany and I think around 10 EU countries.

*Politeness*
Not only Chile. It is temporary and only 1,400 people

MaxInDHouse:
What Jesus said was misconstrued by those that translated it to English.
This is what Jesus said in simple today English:

"Today i am assuring you that you will be with me in Paradise"

It could also be translated

"i am telling you this day that you will be with me in Paradise"

Other verses in the scriptures negates the interpretation of those versions because Jesus never went anywhere that day he died according to God's word he was DEAD for the three consecutive days and on the third day God raised him up {Act 3:15} he cried unto God {Mark 15:34} who remembered him and raised him up on the third day! Hebrews 5:7

According to God's word the dead are conscious of nothing, they can't do anything in their condition! Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

The thief never did anything worthwhile other than acknowledging Jesus as the true Christ because he remembered the scriptures which says Christ will be condemned with criminals {Isaiah 53:12} so while he is about to die he recollected what their religious leaders taught them in the scriptures about the Christ {Matthew 23:2-3} that's why he quickly add one thing to the other and concluded that he is about to die beside the Christ who is taking away the sin of many people! Isaiah 53:12

So when he begged Jesus to remember him in his kingdom he wasn't expecting immediate relief rather it's when the Christ begin his rulership that the thief will be remembered for resurrection! John 5:28-29

As for TB Joshua ọmọ you had nothing against the guy than the BBC story!

*Politeness*
Even if we allow your twisting of what Christ said, still all he did was accept Lord Jesus, exactly as the apostles said. You feel it is too easy and ought be more complicated than that. Unfortunately for you, it is not - unless you write your own NT!

As for TB, kindly stop arguing things you don't know. 90% of what was said about TB over the years never made it into the BBC documentary. I remember reading one totally devastated girl narrating how she lost her virginity in a hotel room to TB. She was never a member of SCOAN, and never even went there. There's been many such stories over the years

Conner44:
Kai! So sad

Is it because the ransome was taking long to be repaid? Did the police try to do some 'hostage negotiations' that went south? Did they use fake money to pay the ransome? Was their ransome underpaid when the kidnappers counted it? Were they stalling in the ransome payments? Did the girl try to stop them from raping her or her sisters?

Lots of unanswered questions I pray the rest come out alive.

*Politeness*
If you had read you'd know the brother led police on an unsuccessful raid against the kidnappers and was killed.

The ONLY solution is a law to NEVER PAY RANSOME! Whoever is kidnapped, assume they died in a ghastly accident and give them a funeral

jamesversion:
Igbos are cool
Igbo Amaka

*Politeness*
Yeah, sure, Igbo named YEMI ALADE!

MaxInDHouse:
So the thief went straight to heaven shey?

Well that's what i'm saying there is a WORK Jesus assigned to his disciples it's this work that will stop all others from gaining salvation not just blind faith without works! James 2:18-26

Meanwhile the thief never went anywhere, he died and is still in his grave till now awaiting a resurrection but all that remains a mystery to someone who doesn't even know what it means to be a Christian.
However with what you've said so far you have no evidence that TB Joshua is not a Christian apart from this BBC story.

*Politeness*
Now he's calling Lord Jesus a liar. See what Jesus said below.
As for TB, you obviously haven't watched the videos I posted. They'er from BEFORE his death. I told u I've followed this for a while. People have been talking for years

2 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdvzxwzoxZo?si=K7F6IyZaehHZbj6m

1 minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vOt7LV5ZkM?si=4MwEjsAH__KpFuB8

Niyi4321:
That's because women went behind nature to make men pay for everything

*Politeness*
HOW?? Even in pregnancy and childbirth, women bear ALL the pain and unpleasantness, ALL men do is enjoy sex, but as soon as she produces the child, it belongs to the man and bears his name! Or he can also choose to abandon her and the child if he wishes. So unfair!

drsibz66:
How can 8 people just come out in a day and lay an accusation. Most likely planned. Cos I don't understand how 8 people will just make up their mind to confess same time . Even if the event or abuse happened to them at the same time and place they all can't just decide to come out same day except it was planned.

gidgiddy:
They didn't confess at the same time, they were interviewd over a two year period by BBC, it is the interviews that came out same day in a documentary

*Politeness*
Well, this below was shortly before his death. As if he was already killed spiritually.
People had been talking for years

1 minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vOt7LV5ZkM?si=4MwEjsAH__KpFuB8

SoNature:
The sweetest AFCON game is the match between two North African countries (those people play fast game like the Europeans) while the most boring and annoying is the AFCON game between two West African neighbours...just 22 talentless boys who keep bullying each other in the field.

*Politeness*
But if you folks enjoy it fast-pced why not change the rules and make it like basketball - you can't hold somebody, you can only touch the ball

MaxInDHouse:
Of course it's by WORKS {James 2:18-26} but not the one humans figured out from their own generosity {Isaiah 64:6} rather it's based on complete obedience to what Jesus taught us to do as WORKS of FAITH.
Whoever failed to do it is doomed! Matthew 7:21-23

*Politeness*
Ok, you know better than St Paul and Silas and Timothy and even Christ himself (remember thief on the cross going straight to heaven). You wish ACCEPTING salvation through Christ were not enough.
Unfortunately for you (and I admit it is quite counter-intuitive) it is!

MaxInDHouse:
The name "CHRISTIANS" is most important not how each of them react in later times because they're all on the journey to life. The first thing they have to know is what assignment Jesus gave his disciples to do without that no matter how much they call Jesus' name or charity works they're doing all is in vain.

So the first thing is knowing what Christians are supposed to be doing now as the assignment Christ gave them to do not charity works or claiming Christians and shouting his name up and down!

*Politeness*
Well, the truth is that Christianity is NOT as complicated as you'd have it be.
Salvation in Christianity is NOT works-based as in other religions, no matter how much we wish it were so. It is Savior-centered!

■[[(Acts 16:30-31) The jailer, greatly concerned, approached the two, falling before them and pleading, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” Paul and Silas replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” ]]■

Note that the entire Christian household is saved - impossible if it were by works

■[[(Ephesians 2:8-9) It is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” ]]■

BUT!! good works are the natural outcome of following salvation through Christ!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK the problem is billions don't care to know what Christianity entails they're simply carried away with charity works thinking that's what Jesus taught so whoever is using Jesus name to do charity works is a Christian or man of God to them.
Thanks!

*Politeness*
Exactly. Though ideally ALL Christians ought be like early disciples - poverty,suffering for, and if necessary, die for Christ. But how many Christians are like that??

Zonefree:
Erica is being unwise and naive.

In the sexual world, a man with high body count is an asset while a woman with high body count is a liability and disgrace to the society.

Don't stress it, na so e be...

*Politeness*
But isn't that HIGHLY UNFAIR??
Anyway I blame nature - gave both of us same sex drive but gave only guys the freedom to indulge as you wish, as desirable opportunities arise!
And some u guys still complain about everything!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!
Please below is my first post on this thread so i never quoted anyone

*Politeness*
Oh, ok. I don't usually look at monikers. I quoted a few people on that one post, didn't know one was you

Everydaylove:
Even christ was accused of using devil's power . Infact he was almost stoned and thrown from the hill out of hatred. Sine people there to lift you. Some are there to pull you down.

*Politeness*
Yes, but not by his closest associates who lived with him for years and saw everything first hand. Those were ready to die for him and even the one who betrayed him killed himself!

7upnigeria:
I know faith is quite important for healing but go and check, it's not all the places that he MENTIONED their faith. Did the disciples also mentioned their faith when he sent them 2 by 2 and demons cast out in the name of Jesus.

For the people who got healed thru TB Joshua, if they had not come filled with faith, they wouldn't have been healed. People come from as far as Israel to Nigeria here for healing, it takes faith to come from that far.

*Politeness*
I can assure you, if you knew TB's miracles were fake and staged, you could live in SCOAN forever and not be healed of a headache. On the other hand if you believe TB would heal you through tv, you can stay in your house in SA and place your hand on your TV and you'll be healed!

MaxInDHouse:
Let's not be wasting our time on this because it's obvious you don't know what it means to be a Christian so you shouldn't have quoted me in the first place

when you don't know what a Christian supposed to be doing for observers to identify him as one of Christ's disciples!

*Politeness*
Funny guy. YOU quoted me!
I said I'd followed this for a while and from all I deduce TB was never a Christian. You jumped in to ask me how I know if Hindu, Buddhist, Moslem, etc is saved!
Talk about non sequitur!

MaxInDHouse:
This is where the problem lies!

TB Joshua also claimed he believe in Christ that's why i asked you to tell what observers will see to identify a real Christian not just what they claim!

*Politeness*
I hardly need to answer this. A Buddhist can say he is a Christian but people who know him and worked with him closely will testify he's a Buddhist, as in this video below and the one before!

5 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLBIDQopPlo?si=XC9DaHuk-Cg6sQze

MaxInDHouse:
So what makes a person CHRISTIAN?

*Politeness*
As I told u, a Christian doesn't believe in Hindu or Buddhist gods, neither is he a traditionalist, atheist, or moslem. He believes in Christ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL6ZhV2qNps?si=kPRJ07Ycz2u4nN8T

MaxInDHouse:
Noooooooooo!

I never asked if they're Christians that's where you're getting it wrong i asked if they will be saved for not practicing what TB Joshua did even though they don't believe in Jesus.

Do you get it now?

*Politeness*
U the one who doesn't get it. I said TB was not a Christian, never said anything about being saved