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Thanks for this. Last quote really hit home. It's all about Free will. Choices.

Martinez19:
Yes.

Mind sharing your belief with me? If you do not believe in God, what do you believe? How do you make sense of our existence? If you have children, how do you explain life to them? Do you have empirical evidence of your belief, if any?

Martinez19:
the op is just a confused fellow.

Are you an atheist?

sonofthunder:
Why do the wicked live, become old, and become mighty in power?

8Their children are established with them in their sight, and their offspring before their eyes.

9Their houses are safe and in peace, without fear; neither is the rod of God upon them.

10Their bull breeds and fails not; their cows calve and do not miscarry.

11They send forth their little ones like a flock, and their children skip about.

12They themselves lift up their voices and sing to the tambourine and the lyre and rejoice to the sound of the pipe.

13They spend their days in prosperity and go down to Sheol (the unseen state) in a moment and peacefully.

14Yet they say to God, Depart from us, for we do not desire the knowledge of Your ways.

15Who is the Almighty, that we should serve Him? And what profit do we have if we pray to Him?(A)

16But notice, [you say] the prosperity of the wicked is not in their power; the mystery [of God's dealings] with the ungodly is far from my comprehension.

Job 21

allenbaker5:
Lol, funny thread, it's clear you were never an atheist, even though you claimed to be one. Atheists don't believe in nothing, atheists don't say there's no god/God. They can't make possibly make such claims except they are completely sure and I don't think anyone is.

Atheists only say there is no proof a god exists. Now if you claim to have found proof that a god exists, can you share your proof/evidence on this thread.

When you share your evidence, you would have only proven deism, which is the belief that a god exists.

After that, you need to share another proof that the god you claim exists is the one you currently serve(that's the Christian god)

So op, I'll like to know myself, can you share the evidence you have that convinced you a god does exist.

He's a Faith God.
You ask for evidence, signs and wonders but I assure you. Even if as much miracles as Jesus performed in Capernaum are done even now, you still won't believe.

For starters everything around me is evidence that God exists. Besides, my spirit witnesses his existence. So perhaps you should show me evidence that God doesn't exist.

We can continue this back and forth. Trust me, it will never be conclusive.
Because God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

awesomeJ:
Keep hoping in vain. If your conscience condemns you so bad as to be wishing others join you in your atheism, why not give it up.

You sound so much like a friend saying about his other friends who saves "he will soon spend it"

come on.

Lol truth is, atheists see atheism as superior to all religions. Which imight be true. But it's meant only to be a phase. The sequence being, Agnostic - Apostate - Atheist - Proselyte - Christian

obisco4u:
I very much believe that what christians refer to as "End Time" is not related to Amagedon but a time when many will realise that they are being deceived by religion and faith. Many will break free from this deception and become free thinkers.

1John.2.18 - Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
1John.2.19 - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

HappyPagan:
Christians and their wahala.

If to say dem ask Mary dis kain question, dem for don abort Jesus...

Don't mind them. It's not scriptural. The pastor is meant to advise them not force them.
Some pastors tend to apply sense knowledge which contradicts the purpose of the gospel.

obisco4u:
Thanks but I have to decline.

Why? Are you scared of salvation?
Do you not see that it's not you declining it but a demon within you?

I pray that by the Power in the name of Jesus Christ, you demon be gone! I pray that God's Grace finds you and releases you from every bondage in the name of Jesus.
Just fight the voice and seek him.

Primesky:
Good one bro. Welcome home to God. Yeah God is our home because in Him we live, move and have our being.

Notice that the fish freshly brought out of the water may look more agile and lively than the one in the water but truly, it's actually dying; so also is everyone outside God. They may look trendy, fashionable, classy, wise and intelligent. They may appear to be free, but they are actually dying!. The earlier they come back home the better before it becomes too late.

Nevertheless, I will appeal to you my brethren in Christ not to condemn these guys(athiest) because some of them very soon will be very mighty men of God just like C. S. Lewis. Some of their experiences now could be part of there training and preparation. The ways of God are indescribable. Let's keep praying for them. May God bless us all. Amen.

Thank you sir for your understanding.
It is wrong even to judge. For we were once lost too. We can only pray for them. Interceding for their salvation should be a priority for body of Christ.

obisco4u:
I very much believe that what christians refer to as "End Time" is not related to Amagedon but a time when many will realise that they are being deceived by religion and faith. Many will break free from this deception and become free thinkers.

We're at the end times alright. Which is why you have to be more sensitive. Don't be among the Lost, be among the FOUND, SAVED AND FREED by Jesus Christ. Do read my previous post to understand my Testimony.

The good news for an atheist is that your hunger and thirst for truth is already there. It just needs to be fed with the right WORD. You'll be amazed how much is pending for you to download. Receive the Grace of our Lord in Jesus name.

Modified
The intent of this thread should not be misconstrued as a mere shenanigan to win over atheists. Far from it.
It is a genuine realisation of the status of atheism in the scheme of things.
Having once been a proud atheist myself, I was so certain I had found the truth. The truth which put me aloof of all religiousness. It was not only liberating but invigorating.
Not only satisfying but gratifying. I felt atoned with the universe. I felt in control of my destiny. I felt empowered.
Unfortunately, this was the most beautiful lie concocted to subvert the Truth. The same ancient soothing Lie the serpent impressed on Eve in the garden of Eden. The lie that in fact I was a god and didn't need to depend on a God.
It was perfect only in it's imperfection. But it was not Perfection.
It's imperfection lies in its ineffectiveness, especially in the things that matter most.
It doesn't bring Happiness.
It doesn't bring Peace.
It doesn't bring Fulfilment
And it doesn't bring Answers, just more questions.
But with it comes more Corruption and Destruction. What's worse, it takes away Hope.
Unhibited by the Fear of God, you are open to corruption by every sinful nature. You become a slave to the lies and urges and worldly pleasures the adversary keeps insinuating inside your mind. And trust me, you think you're in control but in your sober mood you know you've lost your control.
So atheists, I do understand.
I'm not even preaching now, I just want you to know.
Cos knowledge is everything. And knowledge is only as useful as it is updated. The more you're open to know, the more you'll know.
Peace and Grace be unto you.

Obainoneandonly:
op u are very confused. you started by championing the cause of atheist, but ended up preaching the Gospel. which country are you fighting for

Not confused but enthused. I'm happy for atheists for their freedom from one of their bondages, religion. Even Carnal Christians and Jews are under the Law (Custody, bondage).

This is but a step on a rung of their climb to complete freedom. Because atheism is not the destination. It is your mind rejecting an old belief system that it has faulted and yearning for the real thing.
Please you have to be sensitive. This is privileged information that is freely given through the Grace in the Redemption through Christ Jesus.

If only it were hidden or exclusive, perhaps we'd value it more. But it is a free gift. Your liberty has already been completely paid for by the Blood of Jesus on the cross of calvary.

I know this makes no sense to some of you now. It never will, until you SEEK Him.

purem:
This is one of the most senseless post have ever seen in long time

This confused OP is just beating around the bush

Please take a sec and ask yourself is there any logical fact on this poo you posted up there?

Typical. But pls, let's discuss with intent to educate and reason with each other.
Your question is quite ambiguous, you want logical fact to what exactly?
Find answers or asking questions?

Congrats Atheists, You're Almost There.

It's no news that a sizeable demographic of Nairaland is made up of Atheists. While some are full fledged atheists, others are still budding. Not so long ago, I was one, and a full fledged atheist too. I'm yet to delete my atheism threads as reference points, so I won't forget.
Some might say I'm evangelising, I say let's rub minds.

One of the intriguing paradox observable among atheists is their indisputable Intelligence. To be an atheist, you had to be intelligent. Because really, it's only reasonable to question dogma, especially when not backed by facts and empirical evidence.

I'll make this reasonably pithy and terse. I'm not unaware of the deluge of information permeating the blogoshere not to mention the notifications from your multiple accounts on social media and reality shows.

Now, I congratulate every atheist.
1. For your intelligence to realise that some thing's not right. The dogmas aren't just adding up.
2. For your Freedom from the shackles of religion. Trust me, if you practise religion, you're in bondage.

That said, "After Atheism what next?" This was the title of one of my old threads. So really, what next?
In truth, atheism doesn't provide this answer. Because atheism is a limbo, an in-between. A stage between shedding old faulty belief system for a new one.
An atheist supposedly is one who believes in nothing, no deity. Most atheist turn to science. But science is just the explanation of the manifestations of the reality. But what is the reality?

I am obligated to Preach Christ to all but for an atheist, I will preach Liberty first.
Most people don't appreciate the word Freedom or Liberty but allow me to expound, expand and magnify the word.

-Every country that was under colonisation celebrates magnificently their independence every year. No country is technically independent so let's agree what they celebrate is actially their Freedom from Colonists.

-Every convict who has ever tasted the walls of a penitentiary e.g Kiri Kiri or Fox River(Prison break), will tell you the meaning of freedom. Nuff said

-The major bone of contention between every parent and their teenagers is freedom. Ever since you became a teen, you've always wanted to do things your own way, stay out late, visit whoever you wanted and explore life! You craved Freedom.
-And even now as adults, we still crave Freedom on a different level.

So once again I reiterate, I congratulate you Atheists, first for your freedom from the bondage of religion; Islam, Judaism, Traditionalism, Spiritism, Buddhism, Scientology etc and even " Christianity."

But as human beings, you're still in some bondages. Bondage of Fear, Sin, Pressure, Worry, Bad Habits, etc. You'll be surprised you have a legion of demons inside you, subjecting you to all sorts of urges and pressures that are destroying your spirit, soul and even your body.

But just as you took the first step to your Freedom by ASKING QUESTIONS. So also will you ask yourself, Are you truly FREE?

The next step is to FIND THE ANSWER.
How do you achieve this? By SEEKING.
This is the difficult part for every Intelligent mind. You have do Cast off your Pride and Ego, years of wealth of knowledge and experience. You have to seek in humility and diligence as if you knew nothing about Christ. You'll be amazed how little you knew.

Now, I can't promise you any other way but I can only assure you of Christ. My Seeking led me back to the Church. The same church I had left. But I was only a member by count not by heart.
I humbled myself completely only to realise I knew the character Jesus, but I never knew Jesus Christ, the Word, Our Saviour.
I assure you, True Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship. The Relationship you lost a long time ago even before you were conceived by your parents. It is the manual of your life.

I urge you to seek Him in the church. I should ask you to read the Bible but that's another discussion so I'll advice you locate a church. I suggest you start all over, from the Believer's foundation class or Bible class depending on the name adopted in your chosen church. Please don't go with the intention to ask questions from this point on, go with the intention to Get answers. And during the course of your class, you would have found answers to some of your questions.

And with time, the Holy Spirit (which you have grieved so many times as I did) having forgiven you completely, will dwell inside you, and with Him comes Liberty.
Liberty from everything. Don't expect it to happen over night but with patience and diligence, you will FIND ALL YOUR ANSWERS.

2 Corinthians 3:17
The Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty.

I urge you to start seeking him today. I pray you receive the Grace of God to overcome every spirit/demon/distraction intercepting and dissuading you from making that decision today in the name of Jesus. Amen.
Peace be unto you.

jospepper:
You think to be first Lady no sweet her?

She's probably under some religious duress to support her husband. They'll probably decapitate her if she abandons him.

Mr Adams on point.
Key point from the mother, "With encouragement and motivation he does very marvelous things."
That's the power of women.

enilove:
Offering is not compulsory , what is compulsory is for you to worship in holiness and love . God wants to save your soul which money cannot buy :

John 4:23 KJV
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Exactly, why should anyone be so enburdened to the point of borrowing to pay offering? When there's liberty in Christ.
Please as good as the intentions may be no where was it stated in the Bible that God was moved by anyone's zeal to borrow for offering. Rather it's from your own blessings from God.

Granted that most churches have designed their offerings in such a way as to intimidate or guilt-trip members who have no offerings, but it should not be done by duress.

That said, prepare your offerings cheerfully to minister to the saints. I believe any one who's in Christ and has gained from the church would cheerfully give offerings in proportion to what's gained.

Impressive. More important than distinction is its implication. The onus on her honors now rests on its application. I pray her passion for her penchant never dies but grows to apportion her inspiration for discoveries and inventions.
May providence smile on her and good fortunes follow her in Jesus Name.

Women, when they want to be, are extraordinary.
Congrats to her.

Earthbound:
If I'm having a discussion with you and you use #5 for me, I will NEVER take you serious EVER again.

Yimu. You that love gist pass food.

IdeyFindWife:
Why does he always look 'roachy'

Lol U mean ratchet?

dhardline:
Making a mockery of Christianity is what it is.

We just have to pray for him. He knows not what he does.

After all this verbal counter-attack in this literary warfare, DO YOU HAVE YOUR PVC? THAT IS THE QUESTION.

Shukusheka:
Hey guys I need your help, the way I'm adding weight these days is alarming and worrisome. I was weighing 74kg last year, I checked my weight last week I was weighing a whooping 85kg.

I'm adding excessive fat on my cheeks, laps, and my stomach is beginning to protrude like I mistakenly swallowed a calabash.


I understand losing weight is 70% dieting and 30% exercise, so I need help to know the meals I need to avoid and what I need to take also to help shed some of the weight. I'm really keen on dropping down to at least 72 by the end of this year.

I do my sit-ups and I have cut down on my late night meals but I'm not seeing much improvement.



Cc: Jagugu88li
Jummiefoodie
Cococandy
DopeJemi

All these trolls on only you. I don't envy you bro.
Hope you know how to sift out good advice and ignore negative ones.
Goodluck on your fitness module. Ensure you stick to whatever routine you choose to adopt. Don't get discouraged if changes aren't instant, eventually you'll see them.

Paul, the apostle of gentiles spoke at length on ministering of saints (church) i.e offerings, contributions. Paul being a strong Jew before he became a witness of Christ, so he knows fully well all about tithing, yet in ministering to saints he never mentioned it.
Giving however is encouraged. 1 Corinthians 9:11-18 informs us of how ministers are allowed to eat from the gospel (offerings) yet he would rather deny himself of his right than make it a stumbling block on to any one.
About collections (offerings) on to saints, he says further,
1 Corinthians 6:2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.
Notice no mention of tithe yet again. But giving is encouraged to minister to the needs of the church (ministers needs, charity to the poor and administration expenses). Not according to any percentage but according to your heart and in proportion to your blessing. Remember the story of Jesus about the gifts of the poor woman VS rich man.
Colossians 2:16-23
This stresses the liberty in Christianity. Let no one judge you by any rules or regulations, for all that died when we died with Christ. It culminates with this closing remark annulling laws.
Col.2.23 - These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
In conclusion, it is easy for some pastors (if not careful) to wamt to dwell and hold on to certain old laws that favour them yet agree that others are no longer relevant. Is that not just hypocritical?
It's impossible for a pastor or bishop to do right by his works in ministering to his saints, in teaching them, guiding them and edifying them with the gifts of the spirit and ever worry about giving.
Becaise you who know how much you've gained by your Salvation, deliverance, miracles, knowledge of the word and building up of the faith and holy spirit, I doubt you'll withold in giving to such ministry, not out of compelling, threats or laws but with a cheerful heart.
I dare say, If you have to force your members to give, you have not yet started your work as a Pastor or Bishop.

I agree with some of OPs points. The church may not be completely spiritually poor but it has lost a lot of its direction. Now it's more Prosperity-centric.
So materialistic that it's even become a campaign ground for politicians.

I hope they return to the old rugged cross before they become the rebellious Israel God cast aside.

Shugarlord213:
I don’t care about the word stingy you girls problem should be looking for a job and stop claiming feminism

The real feminists aren’t online. All nairaland girls are h.oes

Enough said

According to dictionary, Stingy is defined as Unwilling to spend. Mean.
But to me, being stingy means being selfish.
Although some people are so stingy they won't even spend on themselves let alone others.

Stinginess is a state of the mind. It shows a person's slavery to money. A stingy person could have a million in his account yet worry that spending 1000 is a waste because (s)he is too mindful of losing any penny.

Yet the Bible preaches one simple truth, the more you give, the more you're blessed.
If you know you're blessed, you won't be too bothered about going broke tomorrow. You'd open your eyes to giving more. Cos truth is, you'll also receive more from life, from providence, from God.

But of a truth, society today has been designed to keep one always saving for tomorrow or investing for tomorrow, as if that tomorrow is so bleak. So in all things apply wisdom, apply moderation. Save more, give more.

Paul, the apostle of gentiles spoke at length on ministering of saints (church) i.e offerings, contributions. Paul being a strong Jew before he became a witness of Christ, so he knows fully well all about tithing, yet in ministering to saints he never mentioned it.
Giving however is encouraged. 1 Corinthians 9:11-18 informs us of how ministers are allowed to eat from the gospel (offerings) yet he would rather deny himself of his right than make it a stumbling block on to any one.

About collections (offerings) on to saints, he says further,
1 Corinthians 6:2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.

Notice no mention of tithe yet again. But giving is encouraged to minister to the needs of the church (ministers needs, charity to the poor and administration expenses). Not according to any percentage but according to your heart and in proportion to your blessing. Remember the story of Jesus about the gifts of the poor woman VS rich man.

Colossians 2:16-23
This stresses the liberty in Christianity. Let no one judge you by any rules or regulations, for all that died when we died with Christ. It culminates with this closing remark annulling laws.
Col.2.23 - These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

In conclusion, it is easy for some pastors (if not careful) to wamt to dwell and hold on to certain old laws that favour them yet agree that others are no longer relevant. Is that not just hypocritical?
It's impossible for a pastor or bishop to do right by his works in ministering to his saints, in teaching them, guiding them and edifying them with the gifts of the spirit and ever worry about giving.
Becaise you who know how much you've gained by your Salvation, deliverance, miracles, knowledge of the word and building up of the faith and holy spirit, I doubt you'll withold in giving to such ministry, not out of compelling, threats or laws but with a cheerful heart.

I dare say, If you have to force your members to give, you have not yet started your work as a Pastor or Bishop.

soberdrunk:
In the last picture Fashola seems to be saying "Look here Jagaban, you may be a Top APC chieftain and a Don but i am a Minister now so better show me some respect"!!!

More like he's telling him Old man listen, let me speak slowly so you can hear me clearly. Your time has expired, we're running this now.

But obviously, they just had to make impression for the camera. They're not cool but then again no permanent adversary in Politics but a bunch of people with common interests.

Yet neither Jesus nor his apostles preached tithing. They only preached charity.
Not saying tithing is wrong or a sin. But not paying tithe is no longer a sin neither is curse attached to it.

Tithe is an entitlement if the Levites. Jesus was of Judah genealogy not Levi, hence he never collected such.

Tithing as a law is annulled under Chridtianity. But tithing as a personal Covenant with God is not wrong, as applied by Abraham and Jacob. God did not require it of them but they personally offered Tithe to honor God and commit God in their affairs.

ibkgab001:
Cool and good Autojosh
Include tachometer arrangement as well

How about th exhaust fumes? Seems diesel engines fume more init?

MrBrownJay1:
he is like:"you see this madness too, i am not dreaming, right?!........... red for god sake, REEEEEEED! you wanna slap him or shall i do the honor? lol"

Which kind alignment be this na.
Where organiser, come change my seat abeg!

superhumanist:
Penchant.!!!!!
Lol...this gbagaun is funny and ironic coming from a woman who loves correcting others grammar.


Anyhow, dressing is subjective. What is indecent in Nigeria is decent in America.

Consistently, it has always been hyper-religious hypocrites that always want to limit what women can wear.

Dressing is subjective? Is not dressing subjective too?
The way people justify wrongs with pdeudo-intelligent one-liners because it sounds "cool".

Dressing is not subjective. Bad dressing has been getting black Americans killed by cops everyday so pls stop with that BS. And as much as we want to blame the cops we can't deny most blacks do dress like criminals and gang-bangers either out of ignorance or entertainment influence.

Decent dressing goes a long way. It automatically increases sense of worth, confidence and opens you to opportunities.
Like poles repel but in dressing, they attract. Indecently dressed ladies attract indecent guys with indecent intentions. Decently dressed ladies attract respectful guys with noble intentions. It's the simple truth.

Over-exposure is just a cry for attention and usually a self esteem issue. You feel unattractive unless a part of your body can draw attention. But unfortunately you draw the kind of attention you don't want from rapists, ritualistic, no do-gooders and when it happens you blame the guys for lack of self control but don't want to take any blame in the name of freedom of expression, really?? You only got the apt response to your expression cos then others also have freedom of response.

Dear Nubian Queen, Glory personified.
Your hidden beauties should be treasures only deserving men should dig to find. I hope you realise this.