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Poiu11:
if you look at the uhrobo language several of the word are yoruba .....

Can you list some of these words?

Another one....

ImembaN:
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Their are the real Igbos..
and their are those that Nigeria classified as Igbo...
The only real Igbos can be found in the present day Enugu state...
The reason I did not present my point in any other way is because i don't want to speak for THE OTHER NON IGBOS IN SOUTH EAST...
ie: Aro, Urata, Isoma etc...
Even the Anambra that parades themselves as real Igbos are actually ADO... (find the meaning of Ado)
That why you hear of names like ONITSHA ADO.... the real Onitsha is in Delta state...
Even the so called Nri is an IGALA PRINCE...
BUT I DON'T WANT TO EXPOSE THEM...

I want to know the two people that liked this jumble of misinformation. Lol. Your other monikers?

In earlier comments on other threads, you displayed some knowledge of Ngwa culture and language, and I was ready to accept you for who you said you were: an Ngwa man. But since then you've said quite a lot that I just cannot believe a southeasterner can say. Not necessarily the bit about Ngwa not being Igbo, but other things.

This thing about Enugu being the real Igbos, Anambra being 'Ado' (whatever that means), etc etc. sounds exactly like the things some non-Igbos I have argued with say on this platform when they try to get under the skin of Igbos. I have my suspicions about who you really are, but I will continue to watch you.

onumadu:
Ladies and gentlemen, as you should discern by now: ImembaN = ChinenyeN

Just saying ...

Very different writing styles, dude.

And even though it is clear that ChinenyeN is standoffish about Igbo pan-ethnicity, his views aren't quite as extreme as ImembaN's, who sometimes comes across like he's just trolling Igbo people.

Elzazzi:
I was talking to an Igbo friend of mine today and he told me that about 25% of the Igbos in Anambra are originally from Igala in Kogi state. I have been hearing this for awhile now and It has been said several times that even the current governor Willie Obiano is an Igala man. Please how true is this and can anyone here confirm this. Thanks

25%? LOL. What hard drug do you people take before coming to post on social media?

DoggoneDogg:
Lots of ignorance on this thread.

Did Africans (Moors) rule Europe? YES.
Were these Moors Nigerians? Capital NO.

Moors were Arabs/Berbers from Northern Africa (Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya etc). Their name "Moors" is derived from Morocco, their main origin.

The Moors southernmost extension at their peak was Mali/Niger.


There was no Islam in Nigeria in the 1100s and we all know Islam was introduced to Nigeria around 1500s by Dan Fodio, so how were Moors Nigerians??

You accused the poster of ignorance, and then you went ahead and wrote the bolded which is also riddled with ignorance? Lol

Chika Ike is 36? Okay oh. I was a teenager when I started seeing her in Nollywood movies. And I am well past 30 now. And she certainly didn't look like a teenager in those days.

NubaVertigo:
So I was reading these and I noticed that Yorubas are the BEST

I want to understand on what grounds you adjudged the Yorubas to be the best.

BKayy:
No my brother, Nnewi's own is a warrant chief. That thing written in their Wikipedia page is mere cover up.
Orizu was a warrant chief.
As for the one of Onitsha, that will be story for another day. If you know any indigene ask him what happened before the last coronation.

Unlike Onitsha, Nnewi have no single relationship with Bini

Have you read works like 'The Groundwork of Nnewi History' by J. O. Alutu and 'The Isu Factor in Nnewi History' by C. N. Ugochukwu? Do you know anything at all about Nnewi history?

Idu (Benin) was a distant misty place. In the Igbo imagination it became a land of fables and folklore and fantasy.

That is all there is to it. The Southeast was never Idu.

oluwakayode25:
Taking into account clifford orji's statement. He has been eating human fleshin enugu long before he arrived lagos.. He said and i quote " it is part of our culture".... We've been hearing reports emanating from that part of the country and there's got to be some truth in it somehow

His co-cannibal, Tahiru Aliyu, was also from the East.

There is no record of an Oba of Benin fighting off Fulani jihadists. If there is, please, bring such records forward.

The closest that jihadists came to Benin was in the 1890s when the Nupe emirate of Bida under Emir Umaru Majigi, began infiltrating into Esanland from Afenmai. Some Esan communities, like Uromi, Ubiaja, Okhuessan Emu and Ewohimi formed the Akota Defence Alliance to fight off the jihadists from Bida. This was a local response - the Oba in Benin didn't get involved.

nsiba:
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Infact Igalas are the original settlers

of Onitsha in Anambra with their quarters being one of the 8 quarters, and Igala boat people ferried the newer Edo migrants to

Onitsha over 400 years ago

I don't know why people always look for the most non-Igbo angle possible while telling ths story of the Igbos, because that's the only explanation for anyone claiming Igalas were the original settlers of Onitsha. The original settlers of Onitsha (the main Onitsha which is the Inland Town) were the Igbo-speaking people called Oze. The Igala were a canoeing and fishing people who came to trade and settled at the Waterside. It was on the land taken from the Oze people (whom the Onitsha immigrants from west of the Niger massacred) that Onitsha Town was founded.

louqas:
You just proved what he said
George is not a christian name
But
an english name
From the google search you posted george means farmer in english language .....post its meaning in christianity if you are bent on making george a christian name

If George isn't a Christian name but an English name, then one can also argue that Idris isn't a Muslim name, but an Arabic name. Religions don't own names (for the most part). Ethnic groups do. An Arab Christian can bear the name Idris. The name simply means "interpreter" and has no religious connotations at all.

This looks like attention-seeking to me.

ImembaN:
Ngwa is not even Igbo but Igbo people is constantly impersonating us...
We are a mixture of Diobu descendants and Ibibio...
We are not Igbos but Ngwa ...
#proudlyngwa

Youdonminit!

Red cap has reached far south to Ikwerreland?

Abohboy:
So the British reporting of Ijebu traders in Igbo land wasn't real?

There are no records of the British meeting Ijebu traders who got to Igboland on their own prior to colonialism. If you have such records feel free to share.

Ijebu traders like I. T. Palmer reached Igboland late in the 19th century, but that was after the British had already gotten there, and I. T Palmer was himself an agent of the Brits.

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Ahn ahn. The title of this post is pure clickbait na.

Abohboy:
There's no singular major shrine for Idemilli rather wherever the river niger flows through is where there would be a shrine dedicated to Idemilli at but unfortunately a lot of these shrines have been burnt down or closed down by Christians or by colonial officers so finding one may be difficult but as far as I know there should be one in both Asaba and Onitsha

Idemmili shrine in Asaba? Highly doubt it.

Izuchukwu18:
Nwanne m hapu ìhè a ina akọ,ndị a ihụrụ chọrọ iwekọrọ àlà ndị ìgbo dị na-rivers State,anyị chọpụtara na ha so n'ndị na- etinye ogbaaghara na-ala ndígbo dị na- rivers, ndígbo abụghị ndị eberibe anyị ga- etinye ogbaaghara na- etiti ndị a, ka ha mara ná-ha na n'ndigbo abụghị ọgbọ,ihe anyị na-eme ùgbúà bu tisasia ha ma jikotá ala igbo ọnụ,udo dịrị gị nwanne mmadụ.

Ndị Nembe nọ na Bayelsa ji anị unu na Rivers?

Unu akpalịzịna onwe unu! Rapụnụ ndị a! Ọ gịnịdị?

jneutron4000:
Get a book by Herotodus, he wrote about ILE IFE( note no word like Yoruba then). Yoruba is the oldest through Ile Ife.

There is nothing I will not hear on this forum.

Herodotus wrote about Ile-Ife? Please, tell us the chapter and page, let us go and look for it. The book is in my house right now.

samuk:
Stop being a coward that's full of empty threats and write in English language for all to read how weak you are. What happened to all the juju in your village you threatened with last time, efulefu Ewu Igala. What makes you think you are capable of threatening a Benin person, nonsense.

I don't know who is Samuel Nosa Nomamuikor.

Lol. I have not threatened you and you're fuming in the mouth already.

Samuel Igbinosa Namamuikor, you can lie to others about your identity, not me. Shey you want to leave the topic at hand and dive into other things? Very well. Samuel, otolo ga-agba gi. I ga anyu mgbilima afo gi, you hear me? Bush boy from the backwaters of Urhue.

samuk:
What is this efulefu Igala descendant Igbo wannabe from Illah Delta state saying.

Samuel Nosa Nomamuikor, otolo na-enwero nwanne lachaa gị anya!

IDENNAA:
Are you people cursed to lie till eternity or what. I was on the same thread where Redbonesmith posted the screen shot and you saw it and acted like you are dumb , now you are arguing like a deranged man. What is wrong with you Bini people...dem do una?

Ị na-atụpụrụ the anụmanụ ọnụ. Screenshot that has been shared here multiple times, and which all of them pretended they did not see.

I should come and start rehashing old dead over-repeated conversations and run around fetching old screenshots because I signed up on Nairaland to teach kindergarten. Tah!

samuk:
[s]Benin trolls?? You are actually the troll here on a thread posted by me.

Your modus operandi is to run away when challenged to substantiate your claims.

You claimed Zik wrote something in the 1930s that contradicted his 1970 autobiography where he claimed Benin ancestry, I simply requested that you provide the 1930 write up for the audience to read, you are throwing tantrums.

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samuk:
I am still waiting for Zik 1930s or 1940s papers, if you have shared it before, I don't see any reason why it should be difficult to share it again. I will like to read it.

What you shared in our Asaba debate was written much later than Ajayi Crowder 1875 eyewitness accounts. What you shared was written in the 1900s. I want something order than Ajayi Crowder 1875 eyewitness accounts to take you more seriously, not latter possible revisionist history.

I await Zik's 1930s writeup that contradicted his 1970s Benin ancestry claims, I am sure others will also want to read it.

Incase you don't know, there was a rebuttal/rejoinder to Isidore Okpewho by late Dr Peter Ekeh who wasn't a Benin man.

I take your claim that UBULU-UKU have a contrary view of Adesuwa and Obi Olise history with a pitch of salt. I doubt UBULU-UKU tradition is different from Benin tradition on this particular history.

The lack of adequate Benin historians makes other people usually with ulterior motives come to Benin to do their research and end up writing themselves in a favourable way into Benin history. They come in pretending to be genuine researchers, only to end up editing what they were told and replace the history with their lies.

One of your friends is planning such a trip to Benin this December. Unfortunately, there are so many unsuspecting Benin people willing to help such characters not knowing their true intentions and motives.

I also take some aspects of Benin history, especially written by none Benins who were not eyewitnesses to the events they write about with a pitch of salt.

Numerous garbage stories were written as Benin history starting from late 1890s. Fortunately, these garbage stories can be crosscheck/cross referenced with the already well established European eyewitness historical accounts of Benin history.

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You think it's me you'll drag into another pointless round of back-and-forth. Akuko.

Everyone who has beem following our Benin-Anioma-East back-and-forth saw the Zik screenshots except you. I don't have time for this. The materials are out there, if you can't find them, that's not my problem. Done spoonfeeding Benin trolls.

samuk:
Adesuwa and Obi of UBULU-UKU history is a very popular history, it was even made into a nollywood movie as you have confirmed yourself. Obi olise head was said to have been publicly displayed in Benin for seven days.

A movie made by a Benin man, telling the Benin perspective. I hear you.

Obi Olise's head was displayed where? Any evidence? As long as you do not have evidence other than stories you tell in Benin, it is a 'he said, she said' situation.

I have never heard that Obi Olise survived the war.

Why would you hear, when all you've ever been interested in is the Benin angle? You think other communites don't tell their own stories? Or that their stories are not worth attention?

Secondly, this is not the first time you've heard a contrary view on Benin/Anioma/Igbo history, there has been atleast two previous occasions you have promised to provide evidence of your claims without fulfilling your promise.[quote]?

[quote]I wouldn't be surprised if there is no tradition in UBULU-UKU confirming what you have just claimed.

The problem with Benin people is that you people are quite oblivious of the fact that other people have their own corpus of traditions, making you people very culturally arrogant. Have you read 'Once Upon a Kingdom' by Isidore Okpewho? Have you read the paper on the Ubulu-Uku War written by Dr Emordi? Have you read 'The Sociology of Ubulu-Uku' by Obi Anene? Have you read the History of Ubulu Kingdom written by Esther Wright?

All these are well reaearched work, three of them written by Ubulu scholars, based on Ubulu traditions, and all are agreed that Obi Olise reigned till old age and died of natural causes in Ubulu-Uku.

1. When I first posted an extract from Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography where he claimed that his ancestors were from the royal household of Benin, you claimed you have Zik's writings from the 1940s that contradicted his 1970 autobiography, based on your claim others have made the same claim, I have repeatedly requested from you and others that copied you for the said 1940s Zik writings but you are yet to provide it.

2. When I posted the 1875 Ajayi Crowder eyewitness accounts of the aboriginal Asaba people claiming to have migrated from Benin, Ajayi Crowder was on ground in Asaba and interviewed the indigines. He wrote that there were recent migrants from the east who had come to join the older Benin migrants. You wrote that you have a contrary writing that traces the Asaba aboriginal people to east of the Niger. I requested for your evidence, again, you have not yet provided it.

You have started lying again. I hate what I don't like. I have shared screenshots of Zik's paper from the 1930s (not 1940s) many times on this forum. I have also provided the title of the paper for whoever wants to go and search for it independently. 'Fragments of Onitsha history'. Stop f'cking lying against me.

During our Asaba argument, I provided materials from scholars, like the Spencers and Elizabeth Isichei, which said nothing about Benin migrants in Asaba, while mentioning Nteje and Igala, plus indigenous Igbo settlements (like Achala) that predate Nnebisi. It's either something is wrong with your ability to retain information, or you just enjoy lying.

There is actually nothing wrong in holding a contrary opinion, the problem is when such contrary opinion is based on anti Benin sentiments and designed to deceive the less informed about the subject/history. I have cited two examples above were you have in the past made contrary opinions but failed to substantiate your claims despite promising to provide evidence.

There are other examples where you sneered at core easterners that narrate/enquire about Benin heard tradition, folklore and history in their Igbo towns and villages. You are always quick to tell them how such is not important. All these are apart from the tacit support you give to your fellow Yoruba revisionists friends whenever you think you can get away with it.

The reasons above is why I take this your so called UBULU-UKU tradition/version with a pitch of salt.

Cheers.

You're just unnecessarily long-winded. *rolls eyes*

Go and ask Ubulu people for their own version of the Adesuwa war.

The same way you take their tradition with a pint of salt, is the same way I take Benin tradition with a pint of salt. As far as I am concerned, no one knows how the war ended. It is a 'he said, she said' scenario.

It should be stated that Ubulu-Uku traditions do not agree with Benin traditions on how the war ended. Ubulu-Uku maintains that the war ended in a stalemate and Obi Olise survived it to reign in Ubulu-Uku till he died of old age.

There is a quarter in Ubulu-Uku today called Umuidu (Idu descendants) which was founded by some Benin soldiers that took part in the war. After the campaign failed (so says Ubulu-Uku traditions) some Benin soldiers, afraid to return to Benin and face the wrath of the Oba, decided to settle down at Ubulu-Uku and were graciously absorbed.

There is no objective reason why the Edo-centric version should be held to be the accurate version, and the Ubulu-Uku one as false.