₦airaland Forum

oz4real83:
We have so many great stories like this that our nollywood can tell but they would rather churn out unrealistic and boring stories. Great civilisations and men have either been made or marred by the power of women. Women have always been a resource that if not properly channeled can lead to the unthinkable

Launcelot Oduwa Imasuen made a movie about this ten years ago. Olu Jacobs played Oba Akengbuda and Bob-Manuel Udokwu played Obi Olise.

Akintundexxy:
I'm from Okitipupa, I don't agree with most of the things you wrote up there. I know well the history of our land.
So you should think who needs to do the shutting.

Dr Jumoke Oloidi who wrote the PhD thesis from which the post was taken is an academic historian from Ekiti. She did her research in Ekiti and environs and interviewed old men who were around in the early 1900s when Awka blacksmiths like Godwin were active in the area.

Duckworth who took the pictures was on ground in Okitipupa in the 1930s and 1940s and took the pictures by himself. You were not here in the 1930s, so Duckworth's witness is 100 times stronger than yours.

Tell us your own research experiences. 'I'm from Okitipupa' is not a history credential.

Efewestern:
Your outburst was just not neccesary. Quite disappointed.

I never claimed that the Blacksmiths were Isobo's, only tried to reason out why everyone was called Isobo when the Isobo's weren't even part of the Eastern region.

This is not hard to understand. Urhobo people were the first large group of people from the east of the Ondo area to settle in the Ondo axis where we are told they were involved in rubber tapping and some other agricultural pursuits. When the Igbo (eg. Awka migrants) also began to arrive there, the Yoruba of the Ondo axis lumped everyone who came to their land from the eastern direction and called them Isobos.

No, there is zero evidence of Urhobo working as smiths in Yorubaland.

loveth360:
Is it true that yorubas ancestor,Oduduwa fall down from sky?

The answer is no Oduduwa did not fall from sky,below is the reall fact.


From my years of investigation,i found out that Oduduwa was Igbo man banished from East by the Umunna.His really name was Omekitoro.
He was the last born of three sons of a man called Afunwa.

What happened is,because of envy and Wickedness,He killed his two older brothers reason is he want to inherit all their fathers properties.

He killed them in their father's farm claiming that they were attacked and he was lucky to escape,not knowing that a palm wine taper was ontop of palm tree near by and saw all that happened.


When his evil act was exposed,the Umunna and village concluded that his action deserves death.his father pleaded for his life,which made the community to give him punishment of banishing.


Omekitoro went and settle in todays south west.Because of his evil act,he was no more proud of his Name.So when asked about his Name,he will tell you Odudu nwa.

Which means last born.

Odudu means last/Tale in Igbo.

Nwa means chld in Igbo.

Odudunwa means last born.


Na Odudunwa they later spell as Oduduwa.

But why do you people do this? You will just sit down and decide to attract embarrassment and insults to your people. Have you finished studying the history and traditions of Igbos in Igboland to have the time to chook eye in other people's traditions?

What can you tell me about the origins of Eri and Umueri? Do you know who built the pyramids at Nsude and why? Can you tell me anything about the okpe Igara of Nsukka and the burial chambers at Ogbodu-Aba? Learn your own history first and stop this embarrasing theft of other people's culture heroes.

Lejja is right up there with the oldest radiocarbon-dated ironworking sites in the world. Certainly the oldest in Nigeria.

blamingthedevil:
What is the meaning of this picture...can anyone help

That is salt. Not 'nzu'. Salt + water = holy water.

Raeheemwayne:
I don't know why girls don't find him attractive though.

Maybe because he's short and fat. That's physically unappealing to most women.

And he doesn't talk smooth. He's kind of rough around the edges.

Why am I just noticing that Nini's bum is the same size as mine?

Ekealterego:
African Americans looking significantly different from Africans is the biggest myth ever. On TV maybe, in the streets, the Igbos look more "African Americans" than African Americans in most cities.
The representation on media and or in the showbiz industry might favour those with certain features or skin colour which in itself is a vestige of what happened during slavery.

Go to the streets of Louisiana or many places in the South and you will discover that they are more black people there on the average than Igbos on the street.

Go to the streets of NY, put an average Igbo and AA side by side, number for number, you will probably find more light skinned Igbos. Except for those who are obviously half black or quarter black.

"A significant percentage", I said. I never said all of them. I never even said the majority of them. And I stand by what I said; it isn't based off TV.

It is also telling that your point is centered around the narrow comparison with the Igbo (a demographic that had been noted for higher-than-average occurrence of light skin since the 18th century) rather than with the general black African population.

Nope. No phenotypic deferences between White Americans and Europeans.

Whereas a significant percentage of African-Americans have enough white and Native American genetic contribution to look quite distinct from Africans, White Americans do not have enough non-European genetic contribution to appear distinct from Europeans. Blame it on the One Drop Rule, which White Americans used to keep their gene pool as clean as possible (it's still not squeaky clean, but they tried) , while everyone else's pool got muddied.

chimaicon:
Please can someone enlighten me about the effium people in Igboland I learnt they are immigrants but I need more information about them

They are not immigrants. They are aboriginals.

It is interesting that a 19th-century explorer (I can't quite remember his name now) also wrote that the Oyo subgroup are lighter-skinned than other Yoruba groups to the south.

Which is odd, because from personal experience, I would have thought groups in present-day Ondo State are generally lighter-skinned than Oyo people.

At the end of the day, all these na anecdotes. No one has any empirical evidence to back up any of these.

slim75d:
na so e suppose be na, when shark enter wata other fishes they show respect.
Unlike the tribe that doesn't have a big king or even show respect for their little kings

Shey if you appreciate your culture without casting eyes on 'the other tribe' you go die? Why is 'the other tribe' living rent-free in your head?

iamkheedah:
Sammy Black wrote

"�...Dont judge.
No be say I dey judge chief Ayiri Emmani de traditional prime minister of itsekiri's oh...
But de foods n drinks i dey see there all of dem nah 4 de river gods?

#respect"

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https://www.facebook.com/108748748202292/posts/112211144522719/


Lalasticlala obinoscopy ishilove mynd44

Stop. Throwing. Plastic. Into. The. Water. Dammit!

Bigsunny01:
We call elephant 'Eni' in Esan not ede

Okay. Thanks. I've seen many places where it was listed as 'ede' though.

macof:
2. So much talk about Ologboṣerè, yet if asked to give its meaning in Bini you wouldn't be able to.
Even at first look, you can recognise the n-l palatalization which is a signature of yoruba language.
Anyone correct me if that exist in other Volta-Niger languages

Ologboṣerè can be derived from Oní ògbo ṣe èrè/ire = "the wielder of the two-edged sword prospers/does a good thing"

The Bini have a story that seeks to explain the Ologbosere title. The story goes that Ologbosere is a contraction of Ologbo Iyasere, i.e., "The Iyasere's Cat".

According to Bini tradition, an Oba of Benin was trying to replace a powerful Iyase named Ode with an immigrant from Ogwashi Ukwu known as Ogbonmwan. The Oba made Ogbonmwan the Iyase, but Ode proved too powerful to be replaced. To avert crisis, the Oba changed Ogbonmwan's title to Ologbosere (Iyasere's cat) and made that title subordinate to the Iyase.

Please, question: Is there any Urhobo or Isoko dialect that calls elephant 'ede' just like the Ishan?

I know it is eni in standard Urhobo, but I just wish to know if it has any other name in other diaects in the area.

Mrexcell:
Have the jackson family conducted a DNA test on those white kids to assertain if they are actually micheal jackson children?

No need. I believe MJ intentionally wanted to have white kids and so used sperm donors. Yea, he was wacko like that, lol. They are legally his kids, but biologically not his.

I see a lot of people arguing that a kid made by a white person and a black person could come out looking like a white person based on which genes are dominant. Fair enough.

May I point out that this scenario is actually very rare. So rare that I doubt if anyone here can mention one half-white/half-black person who looks like they are entirely white or entirely black.

Mariah Carey doesn't count please. Her 'black' father is biracial, so he carries a significant amount of white blood. Add that to her mother's and you have a baby that comes out looking like Mariah.

Michael Jackson on the other hand was a dark-skinned black man (before the vitiligo) with a big-ass African nose. His chances of producing a phenotypically white kid was already low as it is, but y'all want to believe he did it not once, but THREE times, back to back?! What are the odds?

Abeg, those children are not biologically his children. I know that at least one white guy who was an actor and who was friends with Michael had said he fathered at least one of Michael's kids (Paris).

Only Michael's last kid has a somewhat dark skin, but with his very straight hair he looks like a cross between Indian and White, rather than between Black and White. He could be MJ's biological kid, but I seriously seriously doubt it. As for the first two kids, y'all can't tell me nothing.

LegendsCoded:
Mike Obi's Kids

Leon Balogun

etc

Loooool. Are you serious? Who will confuse these nappy-haired people you mentioned as white kids? From far off you can tell they're obviously mixed.

Naphtali44:
Eat your fraud as long as you want. When the time comes, uruegbo will rule over these lands again and you and your ooni will flee in disarray and disgrace.

When you say rule over these lands again , are you implying they ruled over "these lands" before? When did that happen please?

Naphtali44:
Firstly, we uruegbo do not associate with beni or edo generally. Your "points" mean nothing when you are history books written by frauds. Your breakdown is actually very stupid, trying to link two unrelated words for the purpose of implanting your people in the glorious history of uruegbo.

Now let me teach you the truth about those unrelated words you were trying to link like a child learning a word. Ooni is a corruption of the word 'onini' meaning great or grand leader in uruegbo. The word oghene is a combination of two uruegbo words, 'oga' or 'ogi' meaning 'lord' and 'ene' meaning 'four'. 'ogaene' literally means 'lord (of the) four'.

Yeeeeeeaaaa. The Yoruba etymology makes more sense. Sorry

Sharingiscaring:
People are gay mainly because they lack the skills for dealing with the opposite sex.

Lol. You don't know gay people. The gay men I know are better than straight men at talking to and forming relationships with women.

samuk:
I beg to disagree. I always insist on eyewitness historical accounts wherever it's available, anything less than this are assumptions of the writers who were not present to the events they write about.

These so called professional gather their primary materials from oral sources and it's very difficult to separate humans biases from the finished products or written works. If you read a story of a war from the Victor's perspective, you are more likely to be misled.

Are you aware that most of the movies produced by Hollywood as real life stories are usually less than 40 percent truthful. I am talking of events that happened in our life time not some 900 year ago as the Benin/Ife relationship fallacy.

There are several theories out there by experts on how the world began, they all have their possibilities. How many of what we taught years back as truth turned out to be lies.

Don't forget that experts once told us the world was flat. German scientists once conducted a study that says black people were less human compared to white people.

In any situation of conflicts such as the Benin/Ife relationship, the sensible thing is to demand eyewitness historical evidence. I bet the Benin/Ife relationship doesn't gave such evidence supporting it.

You can't tell me the Oba of Benin is Yoruba when you can't show me a single Oba of Benin with a Yoruba name, no Benin prince/princess with Yoruba names. No oral or written accounts of Benin having any interaction with Ife for almost 800 years, 1100s to 1897.

Two Obas of Benin have come out to say they are not Yoruba. All I see with the Benin/Ife connection is superiority contest which have no historical evidence to back it up. I particularly don't see the evidence that supports it either from the Benin or the Yoruba side.

Huh? I wasn't even suggesting professional historians are always right. Historians amend their positions regularly as they gain more data. Which is why a history book written in 1950 will probably be out of date in 2021.

I only talked about separating the opinion of random people from the opinion of trained professionals, in reaction to your post about random Igbos claiming the Obas are Igbo.

I thought I was the one who was supposed to have comprehension problems.

samuk:
You are now contradicting yourself, you agreed earlier that nothing scares Benin guys.

We have established that you are an exception, haven't we?

By the way, no serious Igbo historian has ever claimed the Obas are of Igbo origin.

We should learn to separate what lay people and trolls say/write on the internet from what scholars actually say. The Ooni of Ife has lent his voice to the claims that the aboriginal Igbo (Ugbo) of the Ife area were the same as the ethnic group of that name. I'm not going to go around saying that is the Yoruba postion on the Igbo/Ugbo because I saw a video of the Ooni saying it. No professional historian of Yoruba extraction has ever written that.

samuk:
Guy, the last time I mentioned you, you threatened to unleash all the juju in your village. I laughed and asked if any black man or Nigeria can threaten a Benin person with juju, I thought you guys said we are the headquarters of those things

Yes. I did. And I will carry out that threat if you ever lie against me again. I detest lies. Other than that, we are good. What happens here is just bants.

You come from Benin, but Illah man juju scared you so badly, you ran away from his mentions.

samuk:
PS: The guy above me has problems with English comprehension. Sharing common words or common words appearing in both Benin and Igbo language does not mean or translate into a town being deified.

Mai fren, mention me with your chest!
What are you afraid of? Benin boys I know don't fear anybody. Must be an Urhue thing.

And don't be sleek. You know what you wrote. You know you were not implying that Benin and Igbo languages shared 'udo' in common; you were implying that Onitsha took Udo from Udo town in Edo. Don't change mouth now because someone who actually knows the history of Udo deity has called you out.

Are you not the one that made the comment in this screenshot below? Were you also talking of words shared in common there?

Let me quietly say something in this argument, because I see our Benin brothers have (once again, as they always do) dragged Onitsha into their 'feud' with our Yoruba brothers.

Yes, the Obi of Onitsha uses the title Agbogidi, which is an Edo word. Some other kings in Anioma whose monarchies are imitations of the Benin system also use it.

Yes, titles of Edo pedigree (Iyasele, etc) are used in Onitsha. Again, Edo titles are widely copied in Anioma and a handful of towns in the east (such as Oguta and Onitsha) which have ties in Anioma.

However, the deity called Udo has no relationship with the Edo town called Udo at all. Repeat: Udo (deity) and Udo (Edo settlement) have no relationship AT ALL.

The root '-do' is a bonafide Igbo root contained in many Igbo words. It connotes 'conciliation', 'repair', 'build up'.

Thus, 'udo' in Igbo is 'peace', 'dozie' in Igbo is 'repair', 'do aja' in Igbo means to 'build a wall', 'kpedo' in Igbo is 'to reconcile'.

Udo is the Igbo deity of peaceful co-existence, social cohesion and civic responsibility; and is widely worshipped in Anambra State, especially the Nri-Awka area.

Amanke Okafor in his book 'The Awka People' wrote: "Udo... [is the] god supervising morals and peaceful co-existence" (page 76).

Onitsha people adopted it when they came to the east, just as they adopted the Ozo title when they came to the east. And speaking of titles, in Igboland there is a strong connection between the Udo deity and title-taking in the Nri-Awka area, which explains why/how it is found in Onitsha alongside Ozo title: na part of one and the same cultural baggage.

Udo deity and shrine served as an agent of socialization, which is why when a man takes a title, it is the Eze Udo (priest of Udo) that educates the inductee on societal do's and dont's.

I've been seeing Edo people claiming the Udo in Onitsha is a deification of an Edo town. I never see where a whole town was deified before oh. So some people will be somewhere worshipping Ibadan or Auchi or Tokyo. Wawu! I said I should point it out now before this piece of falsehood becomes codified in Edo historical orthodoxy, because e no dey hard them to turn a lie into a 'truth' (Cf. 'the Oduduwa is Ekalederhan' lie amongst others.)

PS: Udo shrines were also taken into areas of Anioma like Ogwashi and Ibusa (where you will find some Ani-Udo) by Nri ritual agents. The traditions of Ogwashi and Ibusa are not even ambiguous about Udo being introduced by Nri agents. It is explicit in their traditions. In Anioma, Udo is also involved in title-taking rites, just as in the east.

Its a small band of Benin people (3 or 4 of them) with multiple handles, running around on Nairaland, creating the dumbest posts. �

TAO12:
False!

There is no evidence of glass manufacture anywhere else sub Saharan Africa — except Ife.

That’s the difference — the manufacture of primary glass from start.

It's not quite clear to me what you're objecting to because what he said is true. Perhaps you read his comment in a hurry and didn't quite understand what he was saying. Beads made at Ife have turned up in digs from Igbo-Ukwu in the east to beyond Gao in the west.

mr1759:
Why archaeologists nor discover oduduwa bone, liars nor worry by the time we start revealing historical truth, Yoruba go run come Oba Benin palace their ancestral home come kneel down beg

Which of the old Obas of Benin has archaeologists discovered his bones? Eweka? Oguola? Ewuare?

Which one?