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Okunammiri:
Please fellow nairanlanders I have this issue which is tearing my family apart.

My sister is about to get married to the love of her life who resides in the United States but the problem is the guy is an Osu (outcast).
My family is kicking against thee marriage and my sister is insisting she’s going ahead with the marriage.
My question are as follows “Are there any negative implications of getting married to an Osu whether now or later in the future?
Has the Osu system been abolished in Igbo land?
Please guys help me so that we don’t make a mistake.
Thank you

The worst that could happen is she gets cut off by your family.

She'll move to the United States to be with her husband. Herself and her children will have a much more better life than this rotting shell of a country with its grinding poverty, chaotic violent mess and backward traditions will ever afford them. Thank you.

I don't know if Chike should still be on this list. His 'Boo of the Booless' album got quite a lot of attention.

PHijo:
Like I said before, I won't give certain informations to you Igbo because of your attitude.

So how did Daminabo and several other Ijaw names find their way into Ndoki if the people are not connected to Ijawland?

Again, who said Ndoki has no connections with Ijawland? Ijaw and Ndoki traded together at Ndoki market towns like Ohambele, Azumini, Akwete, etc. The Ndoki dialect of Igbo is still spoken in Bonny. There are connections; we all know that.

Stop these diversions you're doing here and tell us what Waboso means in Ijaw, or just swallow your pride and admit the name was never Ijaw to start with and that you made a false claim.

PHijo:
I am surprised you deliberately ignored the name Ida and the name Daminabo. The reason being there are popular Ijaw people bearing those names and your attempts to give it an Igbo twist wouldn't have worked.

Don't be obtuse. I didn't mention Daminabo because I know it is Ijaw. There are some Ijaw names here and there in Ndoki. No one who knows Ndoki will doubt that.

I mentioned the one I knew wasn't Ijaw that you were claiming to be Ijaw. Don't deflect attention from the question I asked you, by trying to refocus attention on Daminabo. It will not work. Tell this house what Waboso means in Ijaw, since you want to claim it for the Ijaw.

PHijo:
Why should I tell you?

All the names there are names I can tell you the meaning. Knowing how you Igbos behave, I won't tell you the meaning.

People know the word "so" is associated with all the Oru .

See, all this is not necessary. The only reason you're not telling me is because you don't know what it means in Ijaw, because it is not an Ijaw name. So, there is 'so' there, therefore it is an Ijaw name? Lmao! Nonso, Isiadinso, Onyeso, etc must all be Ijaw names. Don't make me laugh, oga.

I took the liberty to try and see if I could find some Ijaws who had the name Waboso. I virtually saw none. All the Wabosos I found were Ndoki people. If it was truly an Ijaw name, it wouldn't be restricted to the Ndoki.

Waboso from every indication is nothing but a variation of the Igbo name Nwagboso. The same way Wabara is nothing but a variation of the Igbo name Nwagbara.

PHijo:
All those words in bold are Ijaw words.

What is Waboso in Ijaw?

You should have just stuck to your topic, which is Ikwerre names; and not delved into the ethnicity issue at all. What sort of nonsense is "We are not Igbos but we are Ibos"?

SlayerForever:
How correct is this. Take note it's not an in depth study of any sort.
I was just discussing with a colleague moments ago and I grouped the Igbo language into 3 main dialect groups namely:
1) The typical, very common "Anambra" dialect.
2) Waawa.
3) Southern Igbo.

This doesn't even begin to cover it.

Lol. Trash.

Focus this energy on unearthing the history of the Igbo inside Igboland before looking for 'lost territories' outside.

And secondly, I know I have already said this a million times. And I know our Benin brothers will stick to their guns even after reading this. But I will keep saying it. Onitsha did not migrate from Benin.

They will come to quote Zik's autobiography from the 1970s now, but they will not remember that Zik wrote something completely different 40 years before his autobiography. They will not also remember to mention Northcote Thomas from the 1910s who investigated the Benin claims and concluded they didn't hold water.

The most interesting thing is that the names that many quarters of Onitsha bear till this day will clearly tell you where they migrated from.

Obio quarters in Onitsha migrated from Obior in Delta.
Obamkpa migrated from Obomkpa in Delta.
Ubulu-na-Ikem quarters migrated from Ubulu clan in Delta.

And in cases where the name of the quarters doesn't give the origin away, tradition still steps in to provide the answer.

Agba-na-ute quarters migrated from Onicha-Olona in Delta.
Awada clan migrated from Issele-Mkpitime. And so on.

Onitsha was founded by Igbo-speaking Anioma people who clashed with Benin's expansion into the Anioma area and fled eastwards away from that power.

There is one thing people do not know or do not take into consideration when trying to ascribe a Yoruba meaning to Onitsha (more correctly, Onicha; Onitsha is an anglicisation.)

It is this: Onicha is actually a pretty common place-name in Igboland. There are Onichas in every single one of the 5 Southeastern states. Every single one of the 5 SE states has Onichas. Delta State has Onichas, too. Both in Aniocha and in Ukwuani. The popularity of the one Onicha in Anambra (Onitsha) in modern times has cast a shadow over the existence of an innumerable number of Onichas among the Igbo-speaking peoples.

These Onichas do not all share a common migration story.

Now, Onitsha (when I use the anglicized version, I am referring strictly to the prominent market town in Anambra State) has migration links with the Onichas in Delta State. But the other Onichas in the east are completely distinct. Onicha in Enugu State has nothing to do with the Onicha in Anioma, and the Onicha in Anioma has nothing to do with the Onicha in Ebonyi, as far as tradition goes.

Unless one is hypothesizing that the Yoruba colonised every corner of Igboland and planted "Oni Orisha" communities all over the Igbo space, a Yoruba etymology for 'Onicha' just doesn't make sense.

Cognates of "Orisha" actually still exist in all Western Igbo dialects and many Eastern ones as well. They are Olisa/Olise/Orisa/Orise. In at least one instance, it is Orisha. In none of the cognates does the "-sha" of Orisha vary as "-cha". If "Onicha" derives from Oni Orisha", I would expect Onicha to be "Onise" in Anioma and "Onisa" in the East.

The word 'Onicha' is in all probability an ancient Igbo word.

And no, no one is exactly sure what it means. Zik said it means 'Onini ncha' (i.e., one that has proven too tough for everyone), according to his Onitsha people's tradition. Personally, I think Zik's meaning is probably folk etymology, invented by the Onitsha people to explain Onitsha's history of quarrels and conflicts with almost all her neighbours. I've been in groups where some other pretty logical Igbo etymologies have been offered. It may have initially indicated land on which some communal shrines stood. Onicha is actually till this day a shrine/deity in some areas of Ika.

And this story is too one-sided. Anam people came from nearby Igbo towns. Nteje, Aguleri, Umuleri, etc.

Igala in Anam are descendants of latter-day invaders.

What the heck is non-Igbo Igbos?

The name Anam-Branch would suggest that it was the Europeans who named the river, since 'branch' no be our language. This immediately raises two questions. One, does it mean the river had no native name before the Europeans came? If it had a native name, then what was it?

Second question, if the name was Anam-Branch, why is it that even the earliest European records from the 19th century still recorded the name of the river as Amambara or Anambara? The Europeans named it Anam-Branch and still corrupted the name by themselves in the same century? Highly implausible.

Also bear in mind that the river actually has its source in Igalaland, around Ankpa, from where it flows through Olamabolo, Igalamela/Odolu, Ibaji and finally through parts of Igboland before joining the Niger above Onitsha. And the Igala call it Omabolo or Imabolo, which is very clearly their own variation of the Igbo name Omambala. The Igbo who dwell in the valley of the river know that its name is Omambala and that Anambara/Anambra is an European corruption.

Because your pick-up game resemble Johnny Bravo own.

1. Igbo (three macro-dialects of it)
2. Oza (a Bini dialect)
3. Olukwumi (a Yoruba dialect)
4. Igala (the Ebu dialect)
5. Itsekiri
6. Urhobo
7. Isoko
8. Ijaw

So, at least 8 languages are spoken in my state; but that number may even be higher depending on how one defines language and dialect.

(Some of the dialects of Urhobo and Isoko are sometimes ranked as different languages, e.g., Okpe and Erohwa, just as some of the dialects of Igbo are often ranked as different languages).

gregyboy:
Never knew you were this vile, bro chill

Samuk you should do well let that statement go

I don't take kindly to pests who wilfully misrepresent what I said or did. Esepcially when they persist in that misrepresentation, and keep disturbing my notifications with mentions.

Tell him to keep my name out of his mouth.

He's not entirely wrong. Ibadan was formerly an Egba village, but following the war with the Jihadists based in Ilorin, many Yorubas from Ilorin and the surrounding areas fled south. They wrestled Ibadan from its former Egba owners and occupied it.

samuk:
Earlier on this thread, you see how MelesZenawi bullied RedboneSmith into denouncing his Igala roots to be accepted as full blooded Igbo, you guys bully people to start rewriting, whitewashing and reversing their history in other to fit in. When people live in denial and false ethic identify, it affects them psychologically. The Benin people are extremely proud of their ethnicity and don't see the need or benefit of being grouped as Yoruba or any other tribes.

Listen you slimey Benin troll, if you ever mention my name again to lie against me and say that I was bullied into accepting an identity that I have always proclaimed loudly on this platform, you will meet a horrifying death. You will die like a stray dog on the streets if you don't take my name off your mentions. Try it again, and you'll know there's a reason my people are called Umuogwu.

AtaniWarrior:
I initially thought that the name of the Ibibio clan was Obong Okon Ita because of this article:

https://www.aronewsonline.com/?p=651

Yes, that's the name in practically all the literature. I just think it's an odd name for a town. Kind of like an Igbo village answering Eze Ndubuisi instead of Ụmụ Eze Ndubuisi or Ndi Eze Ndubuisi.

AtaniWarrior:
Good question. That makes sense too. I was also thinking about the possibility of Ibom being the original name of the Ibibio-Efik clan that lived in the entire area known as present day Arochukwu. The present day Ibom village in Arochukwu might have kept the name of the indigenous clan.

I’m not sure. Unfortunately, we will never know because of the lack of written records. We can make very educated guesses though lol

The reason I thought obio is because I was told obio means town in Ibibio. And "the town of Okon Ita" makes more sense to me than "Chief Okon Ita" as the name of a settlement. Plus Obio Okon Ita looks closer to Obinkita than Obong Okon Ita.

You're probably right on the Ibom thing. You have any idea what the word means in Ibibio? Ubom means beach in Igbo. Wonder if the word is related to Ibom.

Is it possible that instead of Obong Okon Ita, the place was called Obio Okon Ita?

Why does the article refer to his son as "Crown Prince"? Do first sons inherit the throne in Ngwaland as they do in Benin and parts of Anioma?

In one short phrase: Fear (real or unfounded) of Igbo domination, exacerbated by the discovery of oil in the Niger Delta and anxiety over its control.

Logan23:
**This type of talk is part of the reason some of them here are actively denying well-known and well-documented facts about their ancient interactions with the Igbo**

They started denying it before u were born, dont go there.



*but they are not Igbo today*

This statement gives u away, take ur confusion out of here and learn this today, there is nothing like ijaw tribe

Ngwanụ, keep your own confusion here, and continue shamelessly dragging people that are (by all reasonable parameters) not part of your ethnolinguistic arrangement.

People like Abagworo are making points about relations, but you and a few others want to take things 100 steps too far.

Logan23:
Okrika is igbo

No, it is not. It is Ijaw. This type of talk is part of the reason some of them here are actively denying well-known and well-documented facts about their ancient interactions with the Igbo.

A significant number of them descend from assimilated Igbos, but they are not Igbo today, and that's that.

Ekealterego:
You see this record here is over 120 years before independent. This is what the record states. Check out this, Polyglata Africana.

Who are the Amoni?

WorWorBoy:
That dude is an Igbo man pretending to be Okrika on Nairaland.

Of course!

WorWorBoy:
A friend always told them that Okrika people speak igbo! It is always a friend, if i ask you where George ama is located in Wakirike you and that your so called friend won't even know lol.
George ama people don't speak igbo, bring that so called friend here let me question him or her. Since it's a second-hand info that you can not defend, why did you type it here? What were you thinking or hoping to achieve?

On this very forum many years ago, an Okrika chap who is George on his father's side and Ogan on his mother's wrote this. I know sha you will say it was an Igbo man pretending to be Okrika on Nairaland.

People were more honest with themselves here in 2008. Today everything is politically and ethnically charged and everyone feels they have to protect their interests from would-be 'usurpers'.

samuk:
[s]You should be ashamed of yourself that you have to beg and explain your Igboness to a Fulani guy called MelesZenawi because he called you an efulefu.

A real and true Igbo will never explain himself or his Igboness to anyone let alone a Fulani. You even went as far as to accused your fellow villagers as the ones that claim Igala ancestry but that they have now been assimilated and converted to Igbo. You are so desperate to be Igbo that you were ready to throw your village people under the bus.

The very fact that you are trying too hard to be Igbo and deny your Igala roots shows how inferior minded you are. If you know you were true Igbo, you would have simply laughed off your Fulani accuser but because you know you are not, you started explaining yourself. The real Igbos know themselves, writing insults in Igbo language will not fool them. The real Igbos are not fooled by You and the other Fulani imposter. They can smell your agendas from afar.

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ijawcitizen:
Lemme guess, something like Alagbarigha being an Ngwa hunter as fabricated from the ass of Kenneth Dike?

Lol. Prof Dike is not your problem. The Alabariye story already existed in records many decades before the 1950s when Dike conducted his research and merely reproduced what had been written before him by the likes of AG Leonard.

Dike is not your problem.