₦airaland Forum

kollinzgee:
Any big city you go to Nigeria especially in the south after the original indigenes the next biggest tribe you will see are the Igbos after igbos are the ibibios or we prefer to call them calabars. Do you notice this too?

No.

The British did not introduce the concept of money to us.

Cowries and other currencies were money in every sense of the word.

Konquest:
@Redbonesmith
Thanks for this info.

Where can we get the book to
buy? Or is there a PDF version
of the book?

I'm an avid reader of global history and grew up reading collections
of encyclopedia in my family library decades back.

I like the fact that Dr. Akinwumi Ogundiran is an archaeologist.
This would enable him to give
near-absolute historical accounts
of events.

In Prof. Jide Osuntokun's 2004 article on the Ife-Benin relationship and origins in The Guardian, He
did emphasize that there were many autochtonous communities in Yorubaland and the rise of Oduduwa does not signify the
origins of Ife or the Yoruba people since oral history and archaeology show that Ife was already settled. The rise of Oduduwa only signifies a new dynasty, just like the
Oranmiyan/Iweka Dynasty of
the Binis.

I don't know if there is a free copy of the book online yet. I got mine on Amazon. I think it is already fairly well-known that before the pre-eminence of Ife, various Yoruba groups were already established in their areas.

Ogundiran mentions a few areas with fairly advanced state societies before Ife became eminent. There was the large Òba polity, which is thought to have made the Esie figures. There was the Idoko polity in the present Ijebu area, and two other polities Ogundiran referred to as Ulale and Ulesun in the present Ekiti and Owo areas respectively.

Loverboy3333:
In d next 5 days, South Dultan this south sultan than

Choke.

scholes0:
I know Owu homestead was originally in the area of present southern Osun state before they were dispersed by war and may of them ended up among the Egbas.

Have you (or anyone here) read Dr Akinwumi Ogundiran's recent book on Yoruba history? It's called "The Yoruba: A New History". I suggest everyone with an interest in Yoruba history should try to read it. Of the three major syntheses of Yoruba history that have been attempted in this century, it is my favourite by far. Dr Ogundiran is an archaeologist and cultural historian currently lecturing in some American university.

According to him the original homestead of the Owu was actually far north in present-day Kwara State. The Owu (according to Ogundiran) were actually the first Yoruba group to acquire horses and deploy horses in warfare, before Oyo. By the mid-14th century, they had established an expansive state stretching from Saki to the Igbomina areas and south into Oyo and Ibarapa territories. (This may explain why there are places in Igbomina with Owu in their names. This Owu was also the state to which Oyo paid tribute in the days of Ajaka and Sango.)

This old Owu state (according to Ogundiran) was later destroyed by Nupe militarists or the combined forces of Oyo and her allies, and the survivors moved southwards and reconverged in the rainforest in the late 16th century and built the Owu Kingdom there which was destroyed in the 1820s.

But why are you people giving this old-time troll the time of day?

Gubularaska:
How much be bank manager salary for branch? My fri3md wen dey drive one branch manager say e nor go reach 350k and yet you say if person dey earn 350k e poor.

How many people dey that level for this country? Or how many workers dey earn 350k?

Lol. It is not about being branch manager. My father was a bank branch manager. We lived okay. Driver took us to school. Everything was fine. But I understood that our financial position was precarious. There was a certain lifestyle that was just out of our reach. And one serious illness could wipe out our life savings. This was 20 years ago oh, when the economic situation in the country was far better than it is today.

350K earners wey get families dey struggle for this Buhari's economy. When they tell you the vast majority of Nigerians today are poor, believe am. Forget who get driver and who no get. Who dey work for bank and who no dey work for bank.

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Elizkid:
18k to 50k - lower class

50k to 200k - middle class

200k to 500k - upper class

500k and above - Rich.


Unfortunately, more than 50% of Nigeria's population are on the lower class threshold, no surprise we're the poverty capital of the world.

If you find yourself in the middle class, na God's Grace. But right now, even they live like poor people due to the sky-high prices of commodities.

Honestly, I don't know why anyone would consider 50K middle class. A while ago, I left a job that paid me 130K, and while I didn't go hungry it was quite tasking for me to meet up with expenses: fuel and maintain my car, pay rent, send a little something from time to time to my people, dash girlfriend small money, add new stuff to my wardrobe from time to time, etc.

Abeg if your money no reach at least 350K monthly in this current Nigeria, you're not middle class. You're poor.

illicit:
Our heritage sucks bro

Slavery, ritual killings, if we continued like that we would have self destruct

U will be surprised that this ur eredo is a mere temple to kill people or castrate them for no fvckng reason

We didn't even cross the Atlantic,

We only crossed the Sahara as slaves not as masters damn

SMH.

And you think African heritage is the only one that has negatives? The Greeks, the Phoenicians, the Romans, the Aztecs, the Germanic and Celtic tribes, etc, didn't kill people in their temples and elsewhere? And you talk about castration. Lol. Nigga, the few African tribes that did castration learnt it from the Arabs and the Turks. We didn't practise castration historically.

We only crossed the Sahara as slaves? Lmao! Some of the Moors who conquered Spain came from West Africa, around the Senegal area. Taharqa came from Sudan conquered Egypt and even threatened Western Asia.
. West African scholars taught in the Arab world.

You, sir, are ignorant and self-hating.

I hope Anambra voters realise that Soludo is a better choice than Maduka. Knowing the average Nigerian voter, I know how easily people in this part of the world are swayed by philanthropic displays, and how Nigerians think this necessarily translates into the ability to make a good administrator/policymaker.

zero8zero:
Who told you our culture is extinct?
We don't share any culture with igbos.

This comment has exposed you as a non-Olukwumi person. You are a southwesterner, and I bet you don't know even one single person from the Olukwumi communities.

Culturally, Olukwumi has been integrated into Aniocha. Only a person who doesn't know what he's talking about will say they don't share any culture with Igbos.

Elliotwaveforec:
Egba - Ogun and Lagos states - Egba lo lede

Oyo/Ibolo - Oyo, Osun, Kwara states and Benin Republic - Oyo a yo 'mole. Lol!

Olukunmi - Delta state

Okun - Kogi

Ikale - Ondo state

Ilaje - Ondo state

Yewa - Ogun state

Igbomina - Osun, Ekiti and Kwara states - Owo ni e je.

Awori - Lagos and Ogun states - Kitigbe, ogbere o.

Owo - Ondo state

Ondo - Ondo state - Ondo Egi, onila meji

Ijesha - Osun and Ekiti states - Oso ma a lo ti nfi gbowo mi; Ijesa osere Omo onile obi......

Itshekiri - Delta state

Akoko - Edo and Ondo states

Ijebu - Lagos and Ogun states - Ijebu nmu garri, won lahun gan o. Lol!

Ekiti - Ekiti and Kwara states - Ekiti kete.

Owu - Ogun, Osun and Kwara states - Owu aji fi egbe sere; Owu lakoda - First born

Ilorin - Kwara state - Ilorin Afonja Enu dun juyo - Alaafin Aole curse needs to be removed fast

Iseyin - Oyo state - Iseyin Oro Omo ebedi moko

Ibariba - Kwara state and Benin Republic.

If you're not mentioned, please indicate.

Ibariba/Bariba is not a Yoruba subgroup.

Unless you meant the Ibarapas.

An hour-long video?

And a 4-hour, 39-minute long video??

aluma:
People of asaba and agbor wake up to receive this note of ultimatum give to the delta state governor okowa that he has 72 hours to reverse the ban of open grazing or except attack on asaba and agbor

Lmao. The people behind this 'letter' are not very smart. If you believe this letter came from Fulani herders, you will believe anything.

powerhouse3:
.....on a contrary,...I'm not your lesson teacher

Classic tactics of people who don't know what the frack they're talking about. They begin to dart around when asked for a simple clarification.

powerhouse3:
..... Research man,.... history is there for you

In other words, you don't know what you're talking about?

powerhouse3:
obong,nso mpko ke nnam,...me agreeing on fact don't mean we'll follow Biafra,...infact the way we lost Arochukwu and Abre iba was through greed, betrayal and backstabbing,.so it's still fresh in the memory of those that follow history,... I'd admit the fact ,but akwa ibom is not going with Biafra

How did you lose "Abre iba"?

Wow. It's been more than 2 years and still nothing!

Emyogalanya:
but what happened 54years ago when they decided to go home? Your own soldiers came down here to drag them back killing 5m of them in the process. So the question is why did you run after them 54years ago when they first left?

I purposely didn't say this. I was waiting to bring it up later.

They left before jeje oh. Una carry war artillery come find them for their own house. Battered them for three years, seized their property outside the SE, gave them only 20 pounds at the end.

54 years later, you're telling them to leave again so you'll know they are serious.

arcis:
If you guys want your Biafra..you must go back home and agitate for it. You can't sit somewhere in Southwest and be shouting Biafra Biafra..Go home and let people see your real struggles.

Juvenile.

Rossiminku:
The trouble with this argument of yours is that it is so reliant on the FG - on Fulanis - to make that first step of "actualising" Biafra.

It should be Igbos putting their money where their mouth is, and voting with their feet, not sitting around Nigeria waiting for Fulanis in Abuja to declare Biafra into existence, something they surely know won't happen.

So, Igbos living outside the southeast, abandon their livelihoods there and flood back to the southeast in order to make a point about how serious they are about Biafra? What do you think this is going to achieve? Automatic Biafra? Is that how you think this works? Everyone says, oh they left, they must be serious. And bam! Biafra is achieved!

And yes, peaceful actualization of Biafra is very much reliant on the Federal Government's co-operation. That you don't know this suggests you don't understand how nations are set up and how nations work. That was how it was for South Sudan. Same for India and Pakistan under British rule. The Scottish Referendum had the full co-operation of the British Government in London. Etc. We are operating a constitution that doesn't even recognize the rights of any of the constituent parts to secede, and you think that can be changed without Federal-level participation?

Rossiminku:
Hahahahaha.

You people are very funny.

So you actually think a furious Nigeria will allow an estimated 20 million Igbos to still remain in Nigeria doing their business with no wahala?

Hahahahaha

I laugh in Vietnamese.

Dude, you will become FOREIGNERS in Nigeria.

ILLEGAL ALIENS.

You will be deported en masse to the south east.

Those if you lucky to remain will have to show your papers to Nigerian police daily, with egunje on top.

Every bit as you are a foreigner in Ghana or South Africa, where awon boys can just round you up and beat you up with no repercussions, you will be a foreigner in Nigeria.

That 1 million dollars per Igbo trader Ghana were charging you before Buhari came to your rescue, they will triple it to 3 million dollars in Naija.

The minute you pass that Onitsha bridge, na Naija customs, police, and army and immigration service una go face.

Of course, they'll become foreigners in Nigeria. Was anyone disputing that? Mass deportations could also happen. Anti-Igbo persecutions is almost bound to also happen. If it does, Biafrans will take that in good faith. Won't be the first time mass deportation will be happening in history.

It is still silly to ask Igbos to leave other parts of Nigeria when their request for an independent state isn't even up for consideration by the Federal Government. I mean, the Nigerian government isn't even willing to discuss seccesssiom, but they should abandon their lives and flock to the east? How una dey reason sef?

You want them to lose on both ends? Lose their livelihoods and not get their nation, too?

Let an independent sovereign state be declared in the southeast today, and watch many Easterners return on their own accord. Many will, I presume, also wish to remain and continue doing business in Nigeria until forced out by Anti-Igbo pogroms or government deportations.

This question is sha silly.

I don't know where it was ever said that citizens of an independent nation cannot be living and doing business in another country.

I even listened to a clip this morning where he was mentioning individual towns and calling the people of those towns 'stupid' for not complying to stay-at-home orders in the past. He mentioned Enugu, Abakaliki and Umuahia. He then threatened them to dare him this time around. He said if you open your shop you will be burnt inside it!

Forget. Nnamdi Kanu na bully. Na fear dey keep us for house.

raker300:
you think igbos are ones to cower to a threat?

Would like to see where he made such a statement if you don’t mind…cos I listen to radio biafra and never heard such.

https://www.facebook.com/100050475760113/posts/358397149186141/?sfnsn=scwspwa&d=w&vh=e

This was his broadcast before the sit-at-home was shifted to the 31st. Listen to his language. "If you're found outside, you're dead".

Then he threatened the VC and students of UNIZIK with violence if they should go ahead with exams that were scheduled today.

Bros, forget, we are at home largely out of fear than out of respect or dedication to MNK and what he stands for.

In this time that there is already a high-level of insecurity in the southeast, a man with the kind of cult following that Kanu has will threaten people with violence and death if they leave their house. Of course they'll stay home, but largely out of fear. Pure fear.

Sheer unadulterated fear.

The Bible is talking about olive-skinned Middle Easterners.

When I saw this post, I assumed it would be about genetics, but it turned out to be about an Encyclopedia Britannica article written way back in 1911!

If you knew anything about Colonial views on the racial history of Africa held by white people at the time, you would not take that article seriously on this issue.

macof:
I wonder how "Olisa" can be broken down in igbo

There is no meaningful way to break down "Olisa" in Igbo.

If you pronounce it as òlísà, then it sounds like "Wild Devourer" or "Voracious Devourer", if you break it down to "ori/oli" - eater, and 'sa' which is a suffix used to denote something done in a wild, widespread or haphazard manner.

But the word is pronounced as òlìsà, and cannot be broken down into meaningful components in Igbo.

At the risk of angering other Igbo members of this forum, I'll state that it is my opinion that olisa (as well as obasi, which is another word used in some parts of Igboland for the Supreme Deity) is a loanword.

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Juliusmalema:
You refer to Igbo tradition as a chaotic violent mess?


How dare you use such words?


If she wants to marry osu let her go ahead but don't insult the wisdom of the forebearers.

The word is 'forebears', not 'forebearers'. Thanks.