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Nelsmannnnnnnnn:
To the seniors in the house, please I need tips and help in this Youkay job market.

I've been applying for jobs basically in the finance field both in the private and public sector but I haven't gotten any invite for interview. It's been over six months and no single interview. In fact the only interviews have gotten are jobs related to care.

I have changed tactics severally, and it seems no positive. I have ensured there is no gap in my employment history, I have matched the job requirement to align with my CV, send cover letters, apply directly from company's website but no call for interview. I have over six years experience in finance and accounting, qualified and in managerial position but even if I apply for lower rated finance role, still no call. It's frustrating the hell out of me.

Gurus in the corporate sector here, pls assist and advise. Is there something I'm not doing right?

let's get in touch..please Pm

Goke7:
The issue about undercutting local labour is false for Christ sake, can’t we all see from the stats shared so far that not many work visas are given.

Except you’re not not an immigrant why fall for this narrative of low pay which is the ignorance the politicians are feeding on from their populace. And as for Nigeria they made it difficult for us here so why can’t Nigeria do the same or don’t we know the law of reciprocity in diplomacy. Nigerian visas is one of the most difficult to get and e get why, call it shithole it’s what it is.

what they do not realise is many in healthcare pay less taxes because they earn less, pay no NHS (because they claim a refund) and have some generous benefits from the government. I suspect it is the kind of nationalist thinking that led them to brexit.

Goodenoch:
Why can't you see that the bolded is the same thing Zahra29 was saying about how it leads to undercutting of the indigenous labour force, which is the government's primary constituency? If migrants are consistently willing to accept lower salaries, the companies will pay less and hire those which means salaries for everyone will reduce.

Are you then surprised that there's pushback by the local population?

This thing is not a moral issue like many are trying to make it seem. It's an economic and political issue. The Brits don't want more immigrants. Whether you think they are right or wrong in that is irrelevant. The government has to pander to them.

And besides is it not the same thing in Nigeria? Do you people know all the hoops a foreigner has to go through to work in the country? From the STR visa to the expatriate quota application (which only companies with N100 Million minimum share capital can get) to the CERPAC. Why does the Nigerian government have all those restrictions - does it not want to grow the economy?? /s

I think you are mixing a few things together.

Honestly, I cannot question if the Brits feel the level of immigration is too high. They have every right and it is not for us to rationalize what is an appropriate level.

The problem is no one has so far complained about the number of international students arriving in the UK or asked them to return to their country after their studies. The government has every opportunity to ask the universities to reduce the number of international students they take or cancel the post-study visa which is used as a job-search year if the government feels they should not come or should return after studies.

Many of the already skilled immigrants have now added expensive quality education in the UK and are now facing a challenge breaking into their preferred career (which the government can help solve) pushing many to health care and other fields where visa sponsorship is more likely but their skill is less relevant. I am pretty sure the government is aware but rather than help them break into the market has thrown an additional spanner into the works, many it less likely many will secure these jobs outside of healthcare and NHS.

These immigrants who have made a significant investment in a UK masters degree are unlikely to leave in large numbers simply because the UK made all skilled worker visa (except care and NHS) harder to get. The policy will just funnel them into care and NHS.

Yes, the biggest loser are the immigrants who came quite skilled and topped it with an expensive master's degree doing care.

The second loser is the UK itself which is now having a growing number of underutilised labour. The are other externalities to this situation that will affect things such as productivity, tax receipts, inflation, integration and equality in society .

I have seen many engineers in this country doing care. Yes, you can blame them for not being dogged enough but the reality is that it is harder to get sponsorship in many of these areas when you have less than 24 months to fight an uphill battle.

Many "Elon Musks" that arrived the UK are in the care sector wasting away.

kwakudtraveller:
Interesting take. However, from what you have said, it sounds more like a company problem and not a government problem. The companies are hostile towards hiring immigrants because of sponsorship as it’s a cost that they are not willing to bear or a hoop they are not willing to jump over.

Not necessarily a cost issue. With 3-5k, you can sponsor a candidate for 3-5 years (amortized, that is 1k per year or thereabout). Most of these candidates would accept an offer at the lower end of the pay band, potentially saving the company up to 10k a year.

If the government is looking to truly improve productivity and drive cost competitiveness in the economy, it should be removing the bottlenecks keeping immigrants out of these sectors. Rather then government threw another spanner into the wheel leaving the field (healthcare and NHS) that is likely responsible for most of the work visas.

I have experienced it firsthand, so its not much about the stats this is the reality on the ground.

See how many immigrants are making waves in innovative sectors in the USA and compare it to the UK. In the UK, you would probably need to be at least in your first generation or have spent decades to have that kind of opportunity.

kwakudtraveller:
I’m lost, this is the data and work visas went up by 95%. So what figures are you comparing it to?

Overview
The Home Office granted 2,836,490 visas in 2022 – 11% fewer or -335,239 than pre-pandemic grants of leave in 2019. The breakdown of categories is as follows:
Visit visas – 49%
Study visas – 22%
Work visas – 15% (267,670, +95% from 2019)
Family visas – 3%
Other reasons – 11%, including Ukraine Schemes and BN(O) route

These numbers do not tell the story.

-Go to any job website, apply to 50 companies on the sponsorship list.

-Pick the lower end of the salary scale, just to be sure you are not outpricing yourself and you are potentially offering them cost savings

-Insist on visa sponsorship as a condition to joining.

Let us know how many offers you get or even second interviews.

Exclude medical, NHS, big accounting or other firms where the culture is different for various reasons.

Come back and tell us the stats.

kwakudtraveller:
This is not entirely true, it’s just a mindset that we have. The UK is always hustling for Doctors and people in STEM. Besides, if you have a specialised skillset as a surgeon, physio therapist etc, they will rush you. Some of these "undesirable" roles are the easiest way to get into their system. I mean, why pay for a Master’s degree when I can get a job as a healthcare assistant?! So it just makes sense as a short term plan to get into the UK. As for your HR, be like say she be small winch.

Sponsorship is harder to get outside health and few sectors dominated by global firms like financial consultancy. Outside these areas sponsorship is very hard and the government still raised the bar higher against these sectors (leaving the health related fields that are easier untouched).

Many do not mind from my experience, but I strongly suspect there are a significant proportion not happy that immigrants from Africa came to justle for experienced professional roles with them, particularly at the mid cadre level.

My employer for instance has the license but rarely offers visa sponsorship. We have roles open for many months which with visa sponsorship you would get someone that would probably do it for less than the amount.

Ideally a business that is looking to drive efficiency and bring down cost should be open to sampling the entire pool of talent, but many UK firms are not really into the immigrant thing for experienced role except when it is very tight for them. Which is why many have the license but would not even consider applicants requiring sponsorship who claim to have the requisite skill.

Goke7:
you see your earlier post touched me and it's what I have been saying on this thread, why will people study MSc in the UK and even end up as a security guard. Sometimes I wonder if people have human feelings here but it's what it is, for as long they are fine, they are more hardworking than others. Some say it's the course they studied but we have seen those who completed their studies genuinely in AI, cybersecurity and other so-called fine courses. Some say it's lack of experience but someone who has gone to study such a relevant course even theoretically already has something to start with. This is why I say for such kinds of people it's time to consider other countries and not rely on the UK alone. If you have a chance to go elsewhere why not at least reduce the net migration here which is what they want. The system is such that not many will have the chance no matter the motivational speaking out there.

The UK system is largely rigged to keep many immigrants, particularly from developing countries working in fields they consider "undesirable" rather than competing with them. I reckon one of the reasons for the anti-immigrant sentiment is political but also immigrants moving into typically non-immigrant fields. Many recent immigrants did not come in as economic migrants per se, they were well-to-do and came to continue their career in the UK.

I have had a situation where HR seemed offended and hesitant to give me a matching pay raise that matched an offer I received elsewhere even when my boss insisted they match it so I stay. My boss had to sit through every negotiation meeting to ensure HR did not scuttle it. Never had any issue with HR and had very limited interaction, can only imagine she was offended my new pay was much higher than many of them particularly since I was an immigrant.

Ukliving:
Times are tough

A sad one

This same uk where food is more expensive than nigeria

Cbn trying to reign in cash circulation driven inflation

I would imagine it would take many recent immigrant out of communities were salaries are low

Fourcade:
Really strange decision.

It seems very much in favour of keeping skilled workers/Migrants as Healthcare professionals.

I'm on Post study visa now and it will take the grace of God to get 38k for a Tier2 job.

Depends on your field and location, for most non-care field down south, i think employers would typically pay at least 38k for a sponsorship role as most of them are experienced role.

For some areas in northern England, wales, scotland and Northern ireland, the story may be different

psalmsjob:
I'm posting this as a response to the topic that made Nairaland front page yesterday; "See What Someone Bought With An Hour Minimum Wage In The UK £10", the link: https://www.nairaland.com/7929193/see-what-someone-bought-hour

UK & US ARE OVER-RATED NIGERIA IS STILL BETTER in terms of cost of living see a practical example why doing a price comparison: 1 pound to 1 naira today is N1,001 so are you saying with £10 x N1,001 = N10,001 you cannot buy everything in that basket and collect change in Nigeria today?

1 Sliced Bread = N800
2 Spaghetti = N1400
1 Gesha = N600
1 live chicken = N3,000
1 75cl soya Oil = N1,400
1 Midium size Butter = N600
2 Gino Tomato paste = N1,000

Total = N8,800 so your change is N1,200 that's if you exchange pound to naira at offical rate and buying at the most expensive stores or high brands. If you exchange at black market rate and buy at public market "days" you will collect as much as N6,000 after buying everything in that basket....that's about £6 left.

LET'S JUST THANK GOD FOR WHAT WE HAVE AND STOP LOOKING AT AND GLORIFYING ANOTHER MAN'S LAND MORE THAN OUR OWN....OUR OWN NA OUR OWN O

Your leaders are playing kalo-kalo with your destiny, you are on Nairaland claiming it is better in Nigeria than UK and US.

Have you heard of a working person in the UK or USA begging someone in Nigeria for money to pay bills?

Do you know how many Nigerians abroad no longer pick up calls from people in Nigeria (supposedly working) because they cannot make ends meet?

Diaspora remittance to Nigeria from these people living "hard" lives abroad with no spare income is $22bn in 2022, a key source of forex keeping Nigeria's heamorraging economy alive.

jesmond3945:
i never knew having a base in another country isnt terrorism.

Is the iraqi government complaining or are you complaining on their behalf?

Many developed countries including those in the middle east have bases in countries

ValarDoharis:
Active citizens demands good governance while docile citizens like you do not react like trees

You are demanding on nairaland...congrats oga activist

ValarDoharis:
Is climate change Nigeria's priority?

The mandate thief came to finish what Bubu started!

Civil servants are chasing travel allowance and BTA, you are talking climate change

luminouz:
Nope, not the guy. He never wanted it but your pea-sized brain even blamed him? He wanted a child.

You are a resurgent child killer

Last response to you because you appear to use only one side to your brain.

Getting a girl pregnant while in her parent's house and 4 months down the line promising to marry does not equate to taking responsibility.

Terminating a 4 months pregnancy is a big risk to even the girl, after 4 months the parents would likely have no choice but to be responsible for the pregnancy of their daughter.

If he has not taken actual responsibility, then he leaves the girl's guardians with the hard decision of deciding if they are ready to accept the responsibility of looking after a pregnant daughter and child and you cannot force that decision on them.

luminouz:
Abeg, shut it. CHILD KILLER!!!

the girl, the mother, and the guy all have blood on their hands.

You may not be immediately intelligent enough to have a well rounded opinion though

luminouz:
So it's he got a girl pregnant and she was forced to fuq him or what? Are y'all insane? I can't believe what I am reading

Two people fuqed but he is the guilty one. He wanted to marry her, he is still guilty. Na today men dey marry people dey give belle abi? If he initiated abortion, una go still blame am.

Thank God for the redpill. It never lies. Y'all natures will always be the dearth of your existence

You can take as many pills as you like.

No one accused him of being guilty, I have only informed him that promising to take care of a lady does not equal commitment and does not give him the right to dictate what happens.

Marriage or no marriage, if the lady was living with him and he was directly responsible for managing the situation and has done so well. He could justifiably be pissed, but not when the lady still lives with the parents and they have the primary responsibility for managing the girl and her condition.

Bringing a child into the world is a big responsibility that should be carefully considered

Tito24:
aswear
He will definitely bring theiratyer to Nairaland and tell us how he helped her life by marrying her cos she got pregnant for hom

Very wise mother!

I would do same!

Dont mind the guy.

Dynamicboss:
Easy bro. We know he did the wrong thing via pre-marital sex with his girlfriend but he is willing to own up and right his wrong. What the mother did by brainwashing her daughter to commit abortion is a more grievous and wicked act.

I hate when people are claiming righteous but their secret is worse.

Not even viewing religiously, making a statement or visiting does not equate taking responsibility. Many women are saddled with taking care of a child with an absentee father based on this statement. Some of the ladies have their careers truncated because they have to stay home looking after the child while the guy lives his life claiming baby daddy and sending cash once in a while. Not every parent is willing to take that risk.

If the guy had immediately asked to marry the lady and have her move to his apartment for care (assuming he is a position to do this), then I could agree the mother is heartless and wicked.

Barring this, the guy carries 50% of the blame, it is a hard country, you don't get a lady pregnant and claim responsibility by word of mouth or token action.

Brokendad:
Did you read the entire article? I have gone to see her parents already. The girl just confirmed to me that she never wanted the baby.
So, I guess I don't have anything to fight for again.

The first responsibility was getting married before getting her pregnant and you failed that.

You will take responsibility? How many ladies and kids have had their lives messed up because a random joe got them pregnant and claim he will take responsibility only to disappear along the line.

And responsibility is not just about sending money to take care of the care, emotional and physical support is also essential.

Bottomline is your are part responsible for the situation.

Saying you will marry her and a marriage date could be fixed does not equate commitment.

Kobicove:
The only way to stem the continuous depreciation is for the country to vigorously engage in export of goods and services so as to earn more of forex

They could cut cost, borrow less, reduce rent seeking, provide incentives for company to invest in expansion, encourage domestic consumption by they themselve patronizing made-in-Nugeria goods......many countries thrive without being export oriented and we do not have to wait until we have a net positive balance of trade before we experience growth and progress in the country.

Obj was able to grow the country consistently with Nigeria even under the circumstances

kolexy:
How any people work in Equinor? Equinor is a non-operating member of the Chevron Agbami JV. They are not likely to have more than 10 Nigerian staffs. Whereas Chappal is a new Nigerian company that would try to become operator of an asset. This will definitely require more staffs.

The problem is not necessarily the job loss or not, it it the likelhood that the oil field yield will decline. The technologies to explore and develop oil fileds optimally comes from the IOC majors. This is why when they exited countries like iran and venuezuela, their production tanked.

Nigeria is already below its opec quota, this is bad news. Chevron, Shell and Total are also divesting.

Roboto11:
Shut up you idiot.

Do you know anything about the organisation taking over and its personnel?

No, you don't but of course you must wail like a banshee.

Ogre.

Prof, tell us a Nigerian oil firm with very little track record is better than Equinor....

Quick to call other names, yet very empty upstairs

Roboto11:
What does selling of assets have to do with a crumbling economy?

Dunce.

If you dont understand the significance of several recognized global IOCs high on capital and technical competence exiting your market and dropping assets for less skilled and less recognised local or marginal players, you may be the dunce

people buying 160million cars every 4 years questioning another for sinking 25million borehole

heroshark:
"If you are not able to secure a job in your chosen field after graduation and after 2 additional years on PSW, the chances that you will be able to secure a job after 5years of working in care drops by 80%"
~heroshark, Nairaland 2023"

I don't have any data to prove the above so I have to credit it to myself.

The reason for my argument is that the easiest way for people to into their preferred career without relevant experience is through the graduate scheme. Most graduate route don't expect you to have experience so they put your through a rigorous assessment to make sure they are picking the right candidate and once you are in they will support you to grow.
After 5years in carejob you simple will not qualify for any graduate program or scheme, and you will not have relevant experience to compete for non-graduate roles.

The notion that companies don't sponsor is false, I applied to 3 jobs as a student and 2 of them offered sponsorship right from the start and even covered the visa fee. Some might say it's luck but whatever it is, it's proof that most big companies will sponsor you once they are convinced that you are a perfect fit for them.

I work in consulting and most people in my industry move from graduate to senior level in 4-7years grossly roughly over 100k+ in salary and bonuses.

Working in care for 5years means that you will lose valuable professional experience and career progression.

In my industry there is a huge rivalry b/w companies, such that they brag about poaching talents from their competitors (this is off the book though). A rival firm will gladly hire you and ×2 your salary and sponsor you.
After people working with competing firms, the next set of people that we fight to recruit is people with mid-senior level experience working in civil service and local council. This is because the public sector constituent our major client portfolio, so having staffs that understand how clients think and behave is a bonus.

So for the students reading this, please do your due diligence, it will definitely pay off.

You can't use your story or even field to make a theory.

Certain fields and industries are more open/exposed to offer sponsorship than others. For instance, many accounting firms (big4 or big10 as called here on the sponsorship list are open to offering sponsorship on contact. Discussion on why that is is a different subject. In the industry, an accountant is less likely going to easily find companies that offer on contact or they may be offering below average pay e.g a role that will fetch £50-69k, one will offer it for £25-30k with sponsorship and even those may not be so common. I also understand some data and IT focused firms/roles also rich sponsorship opportunities.

Mind you, an accountant without big4 or closely matching experience in Nigeria is unlikely to land a big4 job in the Uk and so will likely focus on industry roles.

Bottom line is not all industries and careers offer the same level of sponsorship opportunity. For instance a medical practioner/dentist/pharmacist and similar guys have a very high chance of securing sponsorship on contact. Someone with experience in hr or marketing will probably have much lower odds of getting sponsorship.

For some others in the industry, even when they are on the sponsorship list, it is not a norm to offer sponsorship on contact or make any firm commitment towards sponsorship.

So be thankful your prior experience and positioning has landed you in a rich fishing spot. Trust me many others work as hard and diligent but do not find same opportunity because of they do not have the prior experience in the visa-rich field to leverage on.

I currently worked in industry but also have experience working with a big4 prior, so I speak from some level of experience.

Except for some specialised engineering roles, my current employer will not offer sponsorship, neither will others in the industry. Best bet will be to join and hope you convince them to do so. For people with less than 24months on their visa, that is a challenge.

Mayqueen2:
Please house I need information about this urgently.
My boyfriend who's studying in UK already, wants to take me in as dependent before the year runs out. Please what's the best way to go about this?

Not sure if this is the best pathway and this is unlikely to all happen this year.

He needs to:

- complete his studies
- get a skill worker visa or other visa type that is compatible with his plans
- get married to you
-apply for you to join him

Calitoscassius:
I am telling you they could never ever match the Pakistani and Afghan community in population in the UK, the Pakis comes with their grandmothers,fathers and even the very elderly ones that cannot work or even do anything they bring them along, as i said, Naigerians are just too loud and boastful, go on social media all you see are Naigerians yapping nonesense on their videos they post about living in the UK or relocating to the UK.


Have you ever seen a video made by an Indian, pAkistani or other african people who lives in or relocated abroad? Only Naigerians do that.

Rightly said bro, Nigerians are just very loud.

Indians and pakistan migrate as a community and yet no much talk about them. They even bring people that cannot economically contribute to the country.

They often marry close cousins so their families are very close knitted and large.

UniqueDext:
I already told her to fix my door and i will send her the money but she refused.

Please who know how i can go with the deposit scheme report claim please..

I have decided to go ahead and pay her, but I will pursue the deposit scheme option as it seems like dealing with civil issueslike this is kinda complicated.

If I am not mistaken, rent is prepaid which means you pay ahead.

Hence if you were late by a few days and she took off your door, I reckon you only owe her rent up until the day she took off your door not a full month's rent. From the day she took off the door, it was no longer suitable living space.

I no be lawyer but this is the default position I would take if someone did this to me

CoronaVirusPro:
Fvck Israel!

Terrorists supporter in severe pain