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Talk Hoha: I never said we should rejoice at paedophilia. I condemned paedophilia for harming people, and distinguished it from homosexual (gay) attraction and love. I note your avowed intellect, but please try to read and understand before replying.

You are a person!

What I asked you was to tell me how homosexuality and racial discrimination are similar, you alluded to lack of choice and said paedophilia was a choice (a conscious act). So I asked you:

So you mean people choose to be paedophiles?

So there is immense joy and adulation at a paedophilic existence in our community?

Talk Hoha: It is true that much of global culture and civilization was created by people who manifested gay orientation, whether or not they were conventionally married to the other sex. I refer you to two books:- [b]HOMOSEXUALITY AND CIVILIZATION by Louis Crompton, and HOMOSEXUALITY, A HISTORY by Colin Spencer.

So your evidence of "it is true" is because it is written by Louis Crompton.

Can you see why I call you a person?

Talk Hoha: I already mentioned some names including Alan Turing who invented the modern computer. Let's go back to the ancient world, what is known of people like Plato and Socrates. Think of the Renaissance great, Leonardo da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Francis Bacon. William Shakespeare's sonnets are some of the most rapturous gay poems in existence. I mentioned some 19th to 20th century names earlier, but I would need a whole book to enumerate them. And those are just the prominent, documented lives. I imagine how many millions are now in the closet. Even in contemporary sports, we have our own Naija son John Amaechi, an out and proud gay man.

Apart from me being suspicious that some of those listed men might not be gay but Louis Crompton just claimed they are gay, tell me:

Was Isaac Newton also gay?

Was Ceasar gay?

Was Confucious gay?

Was Charles Dickens gay?

Was Darwin gay?

Was Ghengis Khan gay?

Was Lenin gay?

Was Karl Max gay?

Is Nelson Mandela gay?

Is Pele gay?

Is Messi gay?

Is Michael Jordan gay?

Is Tiger Woods Gay?

Is Michael Schumacher gay?

Is Roger Federer gay?

Is Usain Bolt gay?

Is Barry Bonds gay?

Who the FUUUUUCK is John Ameachi?

Are you not a person?

Are you not completely reetarded?

You think I insult people for no reason? I could spot you were a person from your first post!

wildorchid: Trash. You asked some a senseless question, i twisted the question and threw it back at you and you're running away from it. commot for here jare

You are a person!

You "twisted" a question by asking it verbatim?

Can you see how dumb you are?

Let me hear people's views especially the people that are married and those that advocate love.

How do you see love?

What is it?

How is it embodied?

How should it work?

Is it important in a relationship?

Is it sustainable?

Can marriage be good if it is weak?

wildorchid: I asked you first.

You asked me a question I am asking someone?

If you are wasting my time and can't answer the question, will you fck off.

wildorchid: How are they not the same thing?

Why don't you tell me how they are the same thing.

Talk Hoha: It's a pity the link I sent you did not work. I'll try on another computer but google is awash with videos of gay animal sexuality.

I will wait.

By when do you promise to deliver the evidence?

Talk Hoha: Obama's stance on polygamy is not an issue here. It's irrelevant. America in any case has been Western culture influenced since the suppression of the American indians so I suppose polygamy is foreign to them.

It is an issue since you said we should listen to him because he is a Harvard Professor. So lets see what the Harvard Professor says about polygamy and why that is not a civil right.

The fact you think it is not an issue is a strong indicator of your level of intellect. And the indicator is by no means impressive.

So you say it is okay for America to reject polygamy because it is foreign to them?

That is your argument?

Trust me, when I start calling people person, I have never been wrong.

Talk Hoha: The link between homosexual discrimination and racial discrimination is this: Just as we don't choose our racial origin, we don't choose our sexuality. Nobody would be so masochistic as to 'choose' to be gay, considering the misery of gay existence in our community. It's not the same as being a paedophile or rapist etc. These are conscous acts which harm other people. Homosexuality is about attraction and love, and it is not a choice.

So you mean people choose to be paedophiles?

So there is immense joy and adulation at a paedophilic existence in our community?

Talk Hoha: Just for your delectation, I mention Sonnets 18, 20 and 29 of Shakespeare's, all addressed to a man. Passionate declarations of love. I maintain that without the gay presence, we wouldn't have culture or civilization.

You are a person!

I am sorry but I have to say. You speak like one, you are one. It walks like a duck, quack likes a duck, it is a .......

So you are telling me out civilisation and culture is mainly attributed to homos?

Majority of our civilisation and culture is produced by homos?

They fed you and brainwashed you on this kind of rubbish in the Western school you attended and you think it is okay you vomit it in public?

Talk Hoha: I maintain that the four people I mentioned - Soyinka, Tutu, Obama, Archbishop of Canterbury - are all persons of global stature, and while we are free to disagree with anyone, their views at least merit attention and reflection. We can communicate and enlighten each other politely. Nobody knows it all. We can all learn from one another. People supported twin murder, saying only animals could have more than one issue at a time, yet twin birth is explained biologically. Same as homosexuality.

They are persons of global stature, and so?

People at your intellectual level might marvel at it and say "Yes Sir" to everything they say. At my intellectual, I just acknowledge and if they are wrong, I am happy to put them right.

Talk Hoha: Dear Sagamite, What a rich vocabulary of abusive words. We can hold opposing views without all these insults. Soyinka I called 'our' first Nobel Laureate for Literature, rightly, as he was Nigeria's and Africa's first Nobel Laureate for Literature. Please google sexuality in the animal world to see homosexulaity's pervasiveness. Please see the site below. Obama was a law professor, apart from being President of the Harvard Law Review. The sexual morality of our world is selective and vile: we 'Christians' shut our eyes to teachings against lust and fornication between men and women, but only remember scriptures when it comes to gays. The four men I mentioned are persons of global stature. It is wise to listen to well-informed and vastly read people. The four are all known to be straight, yet have the learning and insight to feel 'Live and let live.'

Speak intelligently and I would not insult you.

You are talking pure daftly here now.

Don't tell me to google. SHOW ME! You are the expert in knowing animals are gay. Your link does not work.

Where did you see the Church shut their eyes on lust and fornication? And personally I don't really give a hoot what the Church says. Where are morals not selective?

I can listen to well-informed and vastly read people, actually I am keen to listen, but that does not mean I cannot question what they say or bluntly tell them they are chatting BS. Indicating that I cannot is an insult to my intellect.

I am still waiting for answers to these:

No 4, why does "Harvard Professor" Obama not support polygamy in USA if he is not being political with his views?

No 5, what I asked your dumb arsse was to tell me the link between homosexuality and racial discrimination.

Talk Hoha: Throughout history, from the ancient world to the present, gays have been present and influential. I mentioned Alan Turing who invented the modern computer - a gay man. From Plato to Leonardo da Vinci and Michalegelgo to Tchaikovsky and Marcel Proust and Walt whitman and John Gielgud... the list is endless. We wouldn't have culture and civilization without gays. There is a theory that the gay is a more advanced/evolved creature than the blandly straight, and that might be true based on the abundant evidence of gay creativity.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d68_vILD60Y

These are the kinds of moronic statements that make me lable you person!

I don't even know where to start in cutting this moronic statement.

Talk Hoha: Some commentators on my post yesterday did not engage with the issues raised but just got abusive. However, a few points. People don't choose to be albinos, twins, etc, and people don't choose to be gays. Someone said some gays changed and started to lead 'normal' lives. Debatable. Maybe they just suppressed sexual expression. Maybe they are bisexual. Maybe in marriage to women they became famously lazy/reluctant lovers. Maybe many married men called impotent in our traditional communities were gays who didn't know how to fulfil and express themselves. I repeat that many worthy developements in the past came, not from majority wisdom but the initiative of inspired individuals. I think now of four persons: Professor Soyinka, our first Nobel Laureate for Literature; Bishop Desmond Tutu,a Nobel Laureate for Peace;President Obama who was a Professor at Harvard University; and Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, highest Priest in the Anglican Church and also a Professor of Divinity at Oxford University. They are all persons of global acclaim, well read and exposed. They all state essentially that gays should not be persecuted, live and let live, gays have a right to be. The evidence of gayism is abundant in the world of mammals, including the primates closest to man. Would the creator then have halted this natural phenomenon with human beings? People do not choose to be gays. Gay persecution is as evil as murdering twins for beings twins. Let's not start another pointless brain drain in our country that needs all the skilled manpower available. Let's not drive young people to suicide or abandonment of home due to our wilful ignorance. That annoying thing is that people are not advocating morality, but selective immorality. If a man ruins countless girls, some even dying from abortions, he remains respectable. Yet two same gender people loving each other should be destroyed. That bill goes further to mention looking at gay sites, forming associations etc. It cuts off knowledge and enlightenment in a country where education has become so inadequate.

You are a real person!

First off, Wole Soyinka is not the first Nobel Laureate.

No 2, Obama was not a Professor at Harvard.

No 3, fucktards like you can marvel at people's achievements and consume whatever they say, but at my intellectual level, you challenge people especially when they are exposed to political impacts based on the statements they make. Which all 4 are.

No 4, why does "Harvard Professor" Obama not support polygamy in the USA if he is not being political with his views?

No 5, what I asked your dumb arsse was to tell me the link between homosexuality and racial discrimination.

Now add the follwing to the list of questions for your moronic arsse:

a) Show me the evidence of gay animals.

b) How is morality never selective? In your moronic world there is a possibility of morality not being selective.

Fcking reetards chatting shyt and thinking they are intellectuals.

seanet01: Egbon i tire for this people o. I don't know why people are playing to the gallery.

They have been fed BS, they swallowed it like moorons and are now vomitting it like fucktards!

Dr Saga will be happy to examine them.

Talk Hoha: Here we go again. This bill is certain to win public support and distract us from our problems. This topic is huge. However, to discriminate against gays is same as racial discrimination, or oppressing the left-handed or albino. We now know that gays abound in the animal world. The medical evidence is overwhelming that gays are formed as foetuses. The historical evidence is like a tsunami of facts - in all ages, in most properly explored cultures, gays were present and recognised, from the ancient Greeks to the native Americans to the Japanese to the South Pacific tribes. Exclusive heterosexuality is not nature's pattern. The Jews were against gays, probably because they were surrounded by hostile tribes and needed to swell in numbers. Hence we are told 'Go out and multiply.' The world's problem now is over-population. 'Christians' choose to forget the Holy Book also abominates mixing different fabrics together and other deeds we consider trivial now. The Bible forbids fornication which nobody bothers about. Anyone who has ever been involved in abortion or contraception has no moral right to condemn gay relationships for not producing babies. Most straight relationships are not aimed at procreation, but braced by abortion and contraception. Indeed, we wouldn't have philosophy or civilization without gays. So many great, luminous figures, whether conventionally married or not, displayed marked gay traits. From the ancient world's conquerer Alexander the Great and his Hephaestion, to the modern world's apostle of peace, Mahatma Ghandi and his Hermann Kallenbach. I'd mention the man considered the greatest genius Leonardo da Vinci and his lads. Indeed, William Shakespeare in many of his Sonnets wrote some of the greatest gay poetry in the English language. Many scholars in their ignorance try to ignore or distort this. Alan Turing invented the modern computer which makes it possible for us to communicate on this site, and he was gay. I hate the hypocrisy of our world. A man could leave a trail of psychologically broken women, leave many girls barren from abortions and even many dead from septic abortions, and be morally irreproachable. Yet two people who engage in decent same-gender love are evil. Such reasoning affronts commonsense and human decency. I know that much we consider civilized or sensible today came about not through majority decisions but because individuals challenged the majority. Women wouldn't have the vote today but for individuals rebelling. When Marie Stopes pioneered birth control doctrines she was denounced as evil. Now birth control is acceptable. Our culture once approved of murder of infants - twins. Homophobia is simply as ignorant and cruel and destructive as killing babies for being twins. As if it's their choice. I'm almost sorry for the lawmakers. Some of them I'm sure have children who are secretly gay and might be driven to depression or suicide or abandonment of parents for the decision those parents are taking today. This decision in a few decades would be seen as a disgrace in Nigeria's history. I thank Okija Juju on this site. Future generations which applaud your views.

You are a person!

Explain to me how "discriminating" (in quotes) against homosexuality is the same as racial discrimination.

1k001: I concur. it;s that simple, government has no right to legislate on morality. It is a slippery slope to nowhere good. If we are so 'moral' why are we then so corrupt. Deal with the criminal first and then maybe just maybe we can approcah the strictly moral problems

You are a person!

Why does government have no right to legislate on morality?

Tell me which government in the world does not legislate on morality.

HNosegbe: Here we go again.

My view: It all depends on what the objective of this bill is. If it is simply to ban same-sex marriage, all well and good; however if it is to discourage the PRACTICE of homosexuality, it has failed from the beginning. Moral issues cannot be resolved by simply passing a law-softer measures are required if the MINDSET behind homosexuality is to be tackled. It's not just about passing a law, because ultimately people will do whatever the hell they wanna do.

End of story.

Realise "discourage" is different from "stop" or "prevent".

The bill is not a failure if it is attempting to discourage in public.

caseless: We knew this is how is gonna end, thesame politics surronded that of terry and ferdinand last time....where terry was suspended when they knew he was going to retire from international football. To some some extent, this is a poetic justice to mikel cos of his preference of whites/england over blacks/nigeria. No matter what...ur people are ur people!

Pure illiterate person!

Typical rants of a product of a failed education system.

cotton101: sagamite ur video cracked me up this morning.

I love the part Will Smith was pointing the gun at him and saying "Move nigga, getout da way".

That would make any boy piss himself because this could happen by accident.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCyVmQB_Hjg&feature=fvsr

Tgirl4real: hehhehehehehehhee



How can they say he looks 30 for crying out loud?

They just wanted to psyche him the fck out.

shymexx: Sagamite - who are you jacking in Peckham-Rye?? Horus posted your picture on nl time ago and when I see you about, it's gonna be a problem, blud...

I'll defo make you recite those "person" lines for me on the road, u get me? Say nomore, g... dun noe..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tapntDkF-0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grpHT5a8Epo&list

I hope you have a nice wristwatch and your jeans are Moschino because you aint leaving or living with them.

stillwater: So Sagamite, why did you hide your face? I could only see your eye. I thought you were bold.

It is because I don't want to go back to prison.

If I put my full real pix up, fake gangsters like shymexx will come and I would have to deal with them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua1pzvEmkTU&list

This is what I would do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRiT3ISEN3M&list

slimyem: lmao@all of the harping on above..
Like i ask that you give a shyt...or change your views for whatever...
Pfft!
Just a reminder...."The world doesn't revolve around you!"
Goodbye to you too!!!

My world does!

If you are not in the UK, I am not sure you will be able to watch.

But here is the video anyway:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/e8vg9r/acts/achnc8#p0111jdp

slimyem: If your interview inferred just the bolded,i wouldn't have made that comment..
Your degree of self-absorption is just plain sick..!#no pun intended#haha!

My interview stated what I felt like saying.

It does not infer, it is blunt and direct.

As far as my self absorption, Yes, I admire myself. Yes, I think a world of myself. Yes, I am justified to because compared to many, I am at a different level intellectually.

Honestly, your approval does not mean shyt to me.

If I was to line up a list of NL girls that their opinions will count for something to me, you will not be on the list.

I respect your right to state your opinion about me, but frankly I don't give a shyt about it.

slimyem: I don't want you to be nothing...
Either ways,its can't be beneficial to me..
I'm just saying it as i see it...

It is best you don't say it because I am not a Real Man, hence I am not malleable and susceptible to changing my views so I get a pat on the back from you.

I am what they call Alpha Male. So don't attempt such shyt with me.

There are enough Nigerian men that you can be shythead to and they will blame themselves for your foul personality, not me.

Call me "full of myself", call me "self-absorped", but I say bye bye ASAP once I spot it.

Bye, Slimyem.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtOOCsuE0nM&list

CFCfan: @ eledalo: The Sun is not much different from BusinessDay and Tell magazine; it's just a little more salacious due to it's status as a tabloid.

Completely different.

The latter 2 are the publications you can still find at least mediocre journalists.

Tgirl4real: U too like shakara. Why are u using ya baby mamas to pose 4 hia
Anyways, as ur youngest and newest wife, I know I got the upper hand.


All dat shakara, na cos of this na ni.

A lot of Naija marriages I see are of girls settling for some guy after using their best years to pose and be rude shytheads.

And these guys talk about "love", when she probably has an ex or casual shagger that she wishes she ended up with.

No wonder many men in Naija are raising kids without knowing it is not theirs.

Slimyem wants me to be of that calibre for her benefit.

slimyem: How someone can be that full of himself is what i don't get...
Very unattractive personality!!!

If knowing my worth, respecting myself and knowing when to end my attempt to woo a girl is what makes me full of myself and unattractive to Naija girls, fantastic!

You are free to have the men you humiliate and drag on the floor because that is how you judge how much they "love" you.

My class is way above that level.

Tgirl4real: Finally, I am on break. I can read Saggybobo's interview well...

I have always suspected there was something agbero-ish about u.

Number one agbero here.

Fight champion for Ojuelegba chapter of ABA (Area Boys Association) Lagos from 1971 to 1984 before I retired and started training the next generation of Agberos.

Here are my current girlfriends.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_D9eP0xhEA

Make dem no catch all you women on NL next to me o.

Tgirl4real: Chasis!!!

But ermm... Dis part dey wan kain;

"If a girl does not feel privileged to date you, then don’t date her."

LMAO.

I don't date girls that don't like me or are not interested in me.

https://www.nairaland.com/403381/why-nigerian-man-prefer-women/13#6883674

It is a unique gift because I am quite capable of waka passing instead of disturbing the girl like typical Naija guys.

I am not one of those guys that would think "I have to work harder to get her". If she can't work almost as hard as I am working then she is free to go.

I have extremely high standards and expectations, and I am quite proficient at leaving relationships without looking back.

So I will never be a girl's fall-back option.

wonlasewonimi: Who is deceiving this sagamite with his egba n'to line apoche shirt

At the Mushin bend-down that I bought that shirt for N140, they will not let you into the street because the street, and railway track boutiques on it, are exclusive. They only serve the Gbo-gbo big boys of Ajegunle!

I have been saying it for a long time. They are useless.

https://www.nairaland.com/343996/useless-journalism-nigeria-name-shame

Abujafood: With the exception of www.Abujafood.com and a few others, I'll say not too impressed! Not blowing my trumpet by the way, merely stating facts as they are.

This is coming from the same person that opened this thread?

https://www.nairaland.com/1077961/best-first-lady-nigeria-ever

You exemplify the creinous fucktards that make up the Nigerian Press.

Majority are under-educated, moronic, corruptable slimeballs with the brain power of a cross breed between a Dodo and a Xmas Turkey.

The only journalist I can confirm is dumber than you is Kemi Lawal of the Punch!

cupidwarden: Follow these rules carefully:

Foolish boy + Smart girl= stupid spending

Smart boy + Foolish girl= sex

SMART BOY + SMART GIRL= QUARREL

Foolish boy + foolish girl= Marriage

hence i cant marry a girl more intelligent than me

I like this.

The answer to the question is 'null'.

More intelligent than me? That is impossible.

Except your definition of intelligent is her having more degrees or making more money than me. If that is the case, then I don't mind dating such a woman because I am not awed by such.

naijababe: Sagamu, I had no idea you are that boring! No spice for that interview rara, more of same ol' same ol'.

You dey lie.

O de form! O ga o.

Okpeke, Okpekete!

[quote author=Missy_B]E own must different. See as e long . . .Yeye! [/quote]Yeah.

People that take the effort and interest to know me well would know I am quite different and uncomparable to mere mortals.

jennykadry: Lmao @Sagamite. I need my time off to read Sagamites fifty shades of grey aka biography

That was the edited version o.

If you want Director's cut, we will be talking more about my ashaworisms and my youtube videos.

There is more about me that stands out when people are interested enough to find out.

jennykadry: Lmao @ his perfection personality. I swear saga mite will not make me choke on this ice cream

The fact that he thinks he is God's greatest gift to woman, is the funniest of them all

I am a catch.

That is part of the cut the Directors made.

I believe I am such a top-notch catch and I will only give myself as a reward to a girl that is worth it and wants it. I will never give one of the highest rewards on Earth to a shythead.

Tgirl4real: Thanks Jenny, u got the name of the novel right. Me sef need to read properly. I'm sure my 1 hour lunch break will do.



Why dem go give dat part of u visa na? Na ur body dem need na

Dem dey fear say I go bring my juju come dominate the country.

Dem look the body and say "Damn, our girls will like this. Lets give them a treat".

Tgirl4real: lol.

He got boys for Oluwole na.


BTW Sagamite, I can't believe u could X ur fakee-wives for your to date list. hahann . . . Not even Jenny with all her mouth and busy_body with all the fight fight she dey fight us made the list.

No 1, why state you will date women you have already pulled.

No 2, why risk dem husbands come look for you.

No 3, the date list are the hot girls I want to add to my harem, not the ones already in it.

Logicboy03: Sorry, I dont want to give you hopes.

I aint

Stop denying yourself, person!

So all this frequent and quick reference to gay rights is not because you are looking for acceptance?

Tell that to your fellow fucktards.