₦airaland Forum

saphiere:
God is own your side baby girl.

JUSTICE FOR CHIDINMA

Not sorry to say but there has got to be something wrong with you.

alizma:
I believe the the government is aware of that, more so the government had since explained how the new identity card will look like as well as other things that it can be used for which includes transaction etc. Nevertheless, you are not compelled yet to transact only with government issued ID/credit card so why the noise?
Ohh , I see you talking about Jonathan, now I understand your pain but get well soon, government is a continuous thing, Jonathan met things at certain stage, contributed his part and move on and we re not stopping there.
Don't be surprised, the Jonathan you are crying for already has his premium national ID card loaded with cash.

And I thought you were sensible enough to be engaged. You are claiming the government intends to make the National ID card a financial one, accepted but they didn't partner with with any payment processor, not even with the CBN and local banks but you want to sell the narrative peddled among you BMC lots to me? Seriously?

How do you claim to make a card financial yet ask citizens to download an e-copy online and print on paper then laminate? Every debit or credit card is powered by either a payment processor or a financial institution. WHEN DID THE NIMC BECOME ONE TO SELL CREDITS??

If you are incapable of critical thinking, couldn't you just pretend for a minute to be knowledgeable?

Billyonaire666:
Sanchez01,

I have not gotten an NIN, and will not ever get one willfully, except I am coerced to do so. Because I saw these coming.

Know the following and be prepared. Nigerians, including you, are a commodity. Your data was obtained for the sole purpose of sales and profiteering. Remember, it is not just your biodata that was taken, your face and finger prints are digital copies of your entity, hence the need for an IDentity to be in a Database.

Unfortunately, I agree with you albeit to an extent. I got mine in 2012. As a techie, I don't have too much worries about what the government can do with our data. Buhari is too predictable and his won't go beyond trace and arrest. The present government is a congregation of walking relics with no tiny understanding of how the new media and technology works. It doesn't bother me.

alizma:
I think you are yet to understand that aspect of the credit.
The card is supposed to work like a credit card but you have to load it with cash.
The 30 card is like saying the federal government has already credit your card with 3,000 naira because each credit equal 100 naira.

Why would I need a government credit card when I have 2 different credit cards and about 5 debit cards in my wallet? How does that of the government benefit me differently from my credit cards?

Plus note, the language used on the portal is "subscription". This means it is converted to a token which in this form is a "credit". If it indeed works like a credit card, how come the government is asking people to go ahead to print themselves and laminate?

If it was to function like a credit card, the government is under equipped and uninnovative to come up with a global payment systems other than MasterCard and Visa. Jonathan partnered with them during his time until these set of clowns lies their way to power.

I understand the dynamics of credit cards even from a mile. This is not even close.

chatinent:
All your why-questions point to one thing: man's government has failed.

Let's all be specific and call failure for what it is - Buhari's government failed.

EmemObong03:
Putting oil price per barrel into consideration, have you ever wondered how FG intends to pay up all these loans that the have stacked up?

The FG is stupid. It has no plan for the Nigerian people. If it is struggling to stay run the operations of the country, why not cut cost? Was it not the same Buhari during his desperate days who claimed we had too many Presidential fleets and that they were too expensive to maintain? N7 billion was budgeted under the same Buhari for the fleets in 2020 and more than ever, his family has abused the fleets compared to the other 3 presidents in the 4th Republic.

1. A side of the legislature should go. It is irrelevant.
2. Sell some off some of the Presidential fleets to save cost.
3. Put an end to the giveaways they do in the name of COVID stimulus and relief packages through NISRAL. If they make the economy viable enough, you won't need to give people fish.

But guess what, none of these matters to a man whose only final wish is to live lavish with a country's resources and empower the 4th deadliest terrorist group in the world.

This would have been good if it came from the NHIS. It would make a whole lot of sense to purchase health packs that can cover dependents, mostly family members, but no, an ORDINARY IDENTITY COMMISSION that is tasked with handling citizens' identities and providing FREE NATIONAL ID cards is creating subscription packs and class-oriented ID cards. The other day, they need N25b to buy servers in order to enrol 43 million Nigerians.

The foolishness of this very government is why history should be resuscitated and taught in Nigerian schools. We shouldn't forget this in a hurry.

I saw this thread (https://www.nairaland.com/6641235/how-print-improved-nin-slip) last night and I wondered why the government can't be consistent for once. It is not just about getting Nigerians to link their NIN to their SIMs now but something else. I logged on to the portal (https://myportal.nimc.gov.ng/) this morning and saw some ridiculous things that only the Nigerian government is capable of attempting.

First, I was greeted with the picture below on the portal and I wondered why a National Commission tasked with regulating identity issues give me CREDITS (I have 30, according to my dashboard). Why would I need to purchase a SUBSCRIPTION from a government's portal; not just anyone but an IDENTITY COMMISSION PORTAL

https://petsquo.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/1.png

As if that wasn't enough, I clicked through the subscription link only to find ridiculous tiers of subscriptions; from N100 to N1,000,000, all promising various degrees of credits. Is the government planning on charging Nigerians based on how their NIN QR codes or details are queried during verifications in banks, airports and in other places, particularly government establishments Why am I given 30 CREDITS if it doesn't matter or mean anything?

https://petsquo.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2.png

Not only that, but I also found out that there is a "PREMIUM NIN SLIP" section other than the "IMPROVED NIN SLIP". Although the "PREMIUM NIN SLIP" is currently unavailable, I am wondering why there is a class-play in the NIN slip.

https://petsquo.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/3.png

The IMPROVED NIN costs N400 to download. However, I am somewhat convinced of what will likely play out.

1. The NIMC will discard the current slips and will most likely ask banks and other places where the ID is required to only honour the "IMPROVED NIN" or "PREMIUM NIN".
2. This will compel people to download for N400.
3. Say 50 million Nigerians pay N400 each to download the "IMPROVED NIN", this means the NIMC will be making N20 billion Naira from that alone. The number is a worst-case scenario since I anticipate that it will be mandated

MY QUESTIONS

1. Why is an identity commission bent on making money through the provision of NATIONAL IDs?
2. What is the purpose of the subscriptions its portal?
3. Why do Nigerians need NIMC CREDITS and why do we need to buy?
4. Why is there a PREMIUM NIN SLIP
5. Why do I need to pay N400 for a virtual card I will have to print and laminate on my own
6. Isn't it the duty of the Commission to provide Nigerians with FREE National IDs?
7. Who approved of this useless idea
8. Why do I have DEPENDENTS on my portal; implying I could share my subscriptions with them
9. Are the law-making arms of government aware of this daylight Oyenusi stunt? (Not like they are useful anyways but I am not sure there was any discussion on NIMC creating a money-making portal in the legislature.)
10. What is the endgame of government; to sap Nigerians further through insane anti-people policies as always and further create a class divide through the ID cards we carry around?

FreeStuffsNG:
Cc Myndd44
Lalasticala

Hmmmm. This kind of posts will eventually be used against Nairaland. No matter what you do, remember that you have a social and legal obligation to clean your platform of this kind of hate speech. This 'new' nairaland has turned to a breeding ground for youths who hide behind the anonymity you created here to spread hate. It's your job to stop them before government suspends Nairaland. This is not freedom of expression, it is not exercising freedom of expression when you make hate speech and then hide your identity to temporarily avoid being held to account for the consequences of spreading hate. This issue of Nairaland being used to spread hate and bigotry will be presented as a serious case of urgent public importance.

I don't understand. You people want to ban Nairaland too because we have an idiot and an ethnic jingoist as a president?

Uniquewise:
Lollz, Sée him, quickly rushing to report me...like say Nairaland na police station to report and arrest me

You too, MrsDaniel (aka Kiekie1 wey dey sell solar panel for here), learn to be cultured. Don't come to my DM asking silly questions you would not take if the situation was reversed. Remember you sell here too, so your using your alt account to try to de-market a fellow seller like yourself, on the same platform, is really very low of you. No be you dem accuse of short changing a customer months ago, and instead of being sorry, you were just arguing upanddown, speaking big and long grammar for days on end.
I know say e pain you, sorry, ehn. Let's just say you caught me on the wrong side of the bed this morning

By the way, I have sold to sooo many people here. I've never had a cause to be rude to ANY of them; never will. My customers would bear me witness that I'm the model seller in customer relations. Money is not everything o.

And Yeah, it's still Monday early moh-moh....now back to business

I don't know if the person deliberately asked that question just to have you triggered or something but your response was way overboard.

As a seller, bear in mind that different people will come at you and even ask the stupidest of questions. The endgame for you is to sell your items. A simple "I don't know" should have sufficed rather than that outburst.

If anyone is setting you up deliberately or otherwise, don't take the bait no matter what. As a seller, you should naturally be able to entertain questions, which isn't actually the problem. You can choose to ignore them but how you do that is very, very important.

She definitely laid out her plan the moment the deceased contacted her.

SegFault:
I know she did, but beating of women wasn't looked down on then, it's just at the beginning of this millennium that change started coming but e never reach everybody.

Lol.

Karleb:
I disagree with this sha.

We don't need to be a feminist to treat a woman or a man right.

Nowhere I said this. Being human is enough to make us see a woman for what she truly is and represents.

However, I restate that WE SHOULD ALL BE FEMINISTS because not being one is why some of us do not acknowledge that a woman has not given birth just because she has just female children and not a single son.

Unfortunately, this prevalent in Nigeria and Africa.

Karleb:
Boy. Girl.
Man. Woman.
Male. Female.
Moderate Red Pillism. Moderate Feminism.
Extreme Red Pillism. Extreme Feminism.


That's just how it is. The only edge feminism has is, it's more acceptable because it started out good.

I think I still see this comparison as a basis for genderism. Feminism originally started out good as you rightly noted and still remains so. Chimamanda is a Nigerian, married yet she's a feminist. That should tell us something. Most females who take on feminism today do so after going through some horrible situation in the hands of a man. That's just a masked misandry. Feminist coalition; Moe, Kiki Mordi, Ulxma, etc are nothing but misandrists championing feminism in Nigeria, particularly on Twitter.

However, they are not the standard for feminism in the first place. I am liberal yet believe in Meritocracy, which is why I don't believe in some of the equal rights campaigns of feminists, particularly as it pertains to workplaces. If you qualify for a role, you should get it, irrespective of your gender. Simple. But protesting or creating awareness so that power will be dropped on your laps is nonsensical to me.

In the home, I think men should be human and sensible enough not to leave home chores to their wife in the name of being a man.

However, rape, bodyshaming, slut shaming and heaping societal pressures on women just because they are women are the main focus of fourth wave feminism, which I greatly align with.

Red Pillism might have its origin from Neo's Red Pill in The Matrix. What it represents isn't even close to why feminism started out.

pocohantas:
Any normal liberalist would come off as a feminist. So, I quite understand her works being feminist, whereas she doesn’t identify as one. Here on Nairaland, you can be a feminist, simp or a wife-material. It all depends on how well you can stroke the egos of certain individuals.

Lol! The emboldened is so true. Unfortunately, the wife material tag is subjective o. What someone wants in a woman might not necessarily be the same another wants in a woman. The standard is not set in stone but I get what you are implying.

Na the work wey I dey do. Wetin dey worry me pass feminism.

pocohantas:
I dey like when redpillers quote man wey strong pass them. Let me just carry chair and sit here.

Sanchez 28… Redpillers -57

Why do you like trouble this much?

SegFault:
Bros there's an obvious difference between the two. Feminism is simply against gender equality forget about the senseless extremists yarning nonsense all round the world, they are and were still sensible ones like Simone de Beauvoir, but red pillism (as you put it) doesnt concern women, it's more of an individualist approach but has been bastardised by misogynists.

True this. However, Red Pilling in itself is rooted in men supremacy and misogyny. See it as the KKK of genders.

SegFault:
No be only dysfunctional. I've read books written by people like buchi emecheta and chinua Achebe and beating and abuse of women was seen as a norm. It is not dysfunctionality it's primitivity. Most Africans are primitive simple and short.

I disagree. As a student of literature, I can boldy state that Buchi Emecheta championed feminism, however from a subtle viewpoint. Although she said it severally that she isn't a feminist but one who works towards the "liberalisation" of women. That's just semantics if you ask me.

Interestingly, all her works points and supports third wave feminism.

Karleb:
Red pillism is cruise. Only funny people take it to heart.

Same can be said of feminism, I hope your feminists friends will agree.

There is a form of truth in every philosophy though.

Maybe in Nigeria but it is a big deal in the US. There's a dedicated section for it on Reddit and over 200,000 topics on Red Pill are in the section.

Feminism borne out of misandry, for me, is no feminism but similar to some males masking their women hate behind Red Pilling.

Ideally, we should all be feminists. The major problem with champions of this cause is that they don't know which type of feminism they practice. I align with the philosophy of fourth wave feminism.

Nonexistent1:
People with this your mentality usually end up having premium tears. Well it's none of my business.

And I thought you had strong points on the discourse. You are not just worth my time. Happy weekend!

pocohantas:
They might be that way offline. Let’s not rule out the presence of mad people in reality. How someone would think it is okay for a man to lock out his wife and baby is beyond me.

The emboldened is not actually a product of misogyny. People who grew up in dysfunctional homes are more likely not to see anything wrong in the despicable act.

Ishilove:
Are you minding them? They come online to rant at females when they get burned for their carelessness and poor choices. They have bastardized the meaning of 'redpill' with their misogyny.

My joy is that all their rants start and end online, compared their seniors in civilised countries who started the movement. I found the RedPpill philosophy interesting at some point that I got to read about what it truly means and the materials ended up confirming my fears; these guys are staunch misogynists and the "movement" is rooted in male supremacy. A dangerous one! The most extreme Red Pillers even believe rejection by a female is an act of test and that all women love to be raped: https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2017/02/reddit-the-red-pill-interview-how-misogyny-spreads-online

It is a very terrible school of thought and my strong opinion on it is that only those with dysfunctional mindsets will embrace the Red Pill theory.

https://www.newamerica.org/political-reform/reports/misogynist-incels-and-male-supremacism/red-pill-to-black-pill/

Nonexistent1:
Be here doing enlightened men. My professor uncle is now homeless in UK because his wife took everything from him. Before you started your "enlightenment", he had been a professor at Uniport before relocating to UK. A known medical doctor in US from Orlu in my state had his medical license suspended because his wife lied that he abused her. His license was recently reinstated after the daughter of Jezebel confided in her friend that she lied not knowing that her friend recorded her call and would later betray her because they were fighting over a manfriend. Meanwhile the doctor had suffered for almost 3years. Be there doing "enlightened man" and getting accolades from daughters of Jezebel in this thread until you get entangled with them and they destroy you. Most of them ranting here are either expired evening newspapers or frustrated housewives that married old men because of money. Flee from them and their praises.

All these are stories. Your professor uncle married a terrible woman.

Just because your uncle or Nigerian men with African mindsets are losing or getting exploited abroad does not make ALL WOMEN horrible. There will always be terrible ones. It is the same with men.

The koko is to pray that you end up with a good woman that will love you effortlessly. Heck, if SOME OF THESE MEN abroad treated their wives as humans, partners or mates and not some prized trophies, perhaps they won't lose their life's work.

pocohantas:
Check the post the non.existing poster quoted on this page.



No vex. Na just say una no plenty. If not that Raalsalghul is smart enough not to quote people stronger than him, he would have called you SIMP for not supporting certain acts.

In fact, you see the enlightened, modern and nonconforming Nigerian men, na them be the SIMPS.

The issue with most of those who parade themselves as red pillers are misogynists who found the perfect tent to mask their hate. It would surprise you to know most of them are the total opposite of what they parade themselves to be online.

CHoccolaTE:
I don't know why Nigerian men like to assume that divorced women desire marriage. In many cases they truly dont want to remarry because of the trauma they went through in their first marriage.
Even some single women are only looking for marriage because of societal pressure and not because they cannot survive without it.

I guess its very sweet and boosts their self esteem to tell themselves that females are craving marriage to men and are desperate to be with them.

Not sure I want to be a part of gender wars but please, learn to sell your feminism or make points without having to generalise, particularly when it pertains to Nigerian men. We have enlightened, modern Nigerian men who do not align with societal views on women, divorce, singleness and happiness.

pocohantas:
God bless you, Sanchez!

Amen, and you

larryjonze:
Telling me you will ask her to leave is quiet anticipated buh don't tell me you will stop there, whats the point if you can't guarantee her a perfect single life or perfect man after.
we all thot jonathan govt was hell, buh see where we exist into, UAR indeed.

Exist is never a sloution its just an option when all measures prove abortive.

I won't and can't be the one to guarantee her a "perfect, single life". She has to do that herself. If I understand your deduction perfectly, are you implying her happiness is hinged to a man or that she doesn't stand a chance of getting married to a "perfect man" (whatever this means)?

Firstly, there is no such thing as a perfect man. We all have our demons, though some subtle than others. She is only 27 and has just 2 kids, obviously educated, which means she has a very good chance of finding love in the right person.

Secondly, what we think gives us happiness is nothing but illusion. Happiness is what we call anything we are contented with. If she decides to find that in her kids, then she's game. If she seeks that in a man, she will only need to position herself.

Exiting in most situations is always the first step in the right direction. How you create and find your happiness lies with you.

She is still young even though she has two kids. Na born she born, she no kill person.

In the case of Jonathan, existing was the first step but most of the country made a terrible choice. Making a terrible choice after exiting is the disaster and not leaving. Peace of mind is expensive and must be protected at all cost.

Mstick:
Ask your family for help.


You and your baby daddy will not use nairalanders for money.

Go take salary advance from your employer or sell anything of value.


Going by all your comments, you don't want to leave, you just want people to send you money. Keep planning, you think in situations like this you need a plan? You run, go to a safe place and plan.

Be kind. She teaches in a private school but we all know private schools are notorious for owing. Not sure most private schools can afford advance salaries when they can barely settle backlogs.

larryjonze:
its not my forte to judge people, i try not to even process it, in all my own is solution, what is the way forward.
i think nigeria will be like UAR when nigerians spend more time proferring solutions.l
we don't need more interpretation, Bros what is the way forward

If she was my blood, I'll ask her to leave. Abusers are similar to cheats. There's no going back once they start. Unfortunately, the tight spot she's in somewhat compounds her case. The dude already asked her to leave "his" house.

Here's my counsel to her; she should report him at the police station he is well known. She mentioned it in her post and it will help her cause greatly. She should make a report that there's a threat to her life.

If she owns sizeable amount of stuff in the home, the police could even restrain the dude from going close to the home albeit temporarily.

She sincerely needs to leave.

larryjonze:
Bro i alway believe there is two sides to a story hence why i find it hard to advice her, buh now that you are here no matter what, there are lines you shouldn't cross ... i don't have to remind you she is your babymama cos being human is enough, denying her shelter was outrightly wrong you no even consider ur own blood. lets be rational.
Probably she hurt you in certains way, open up to her n resolve things, nd if you don't love her which i doubt make arrangement let her leave, because rope wey tie hen down suffer much pain as the hen.
we don't know each other bro , as much as i don't take bullshit from people i have my conscience all along. you are the man please fix things, funnily my instinct tells me you have a good woman

See, truth is I am not interested in hearing his side of the story. There are thousands of ways to communicate with your partner. Let's just assume he is naturally vindictive, does it in any way justify why he sent out a woman under your protection out in the middle of the night because you are entitled and jealous? Worse is that he did it to a nursing mother. That is never okay in any way.

Whatever peppersoup rebuttal he'll cook will, at best, appeal to individuals with dysfunctional mindset as his. If anything had happened to the lady in the dead of the night, he would have probably created a thread to paint the sweet, loving husband whose wife went out to get something and never returned (God forbid).

FOLYKAZE:
It is really hard to respond in a 'civil manner' right now. I will even take it that I am a 'Beast'. But hey man, did it started like this? If I was all beastly, how did she got to a whooping 9yrs relationship? What changes?

You see, she did a good PR, nailing all her points and blackmailing me. While some of what she said are truths, she never mentioned what sparked those reactions. I took lotta shots, emotionally, and should be expected to respond in equal capacity, physically, even if the society won't see all the backdoor abuses.

It is good she brought it here. I will prepare a civil response maybe later in the day. She will tell the larger end of the story. Thanks

If something changed along the way, it could have been resolved either amicably or through separation. Choosing to physically and verbally abuse a woman you consider to be your wife is an animalistic thing to do.

It doesn't matter how long ago the happiness and 'enjoyment' was. The truth is everyone would want out when happiness becomes elusive.

Preparing a civil or robust response will only serve as food to people like me who are bored and want this. In the end, it is left to you, a man who supposedly rules his home with an iron fist and a woman whom you are never married to but want out of whatever it is you have together.

Lizzyangel:
a boy and a girl, I'm working in a private school,to some extent my salary can pay our bills, if I'm to leave, I wouldn't like to be in the same state with him to avoid further abuses but I'm scared, I don't even have savings, my salary always go for household needs.

I actually don't like divorce because I am family oriented but your situation is unique. Heaven knows hanging around him might be your end. Already, your kids are picking the horrible things going on and it is horrible as it might negatively impact them and their psyche.

Your first duty is to you, your wellbeing and health. The same kids you want to remain in the slavery for are being fed the wrong messages right now. The home is toxic and I am particularly concerned about you and the kids.

If you don't have enough money to move to another state. Then get the police involved ASAP, the same who handled his previous cases. Explain to them and tell them you are scared for your life. Then move to another side of your environment if you don't plan on changing jobs.

Please note that it is better being alone than being with someone who pummels you because he thinks it is a cool thing to do.

About your kids not growing up under their father, pick yourself up, work on your outlook and focus on the positive side of life. A good man who wouldn't mind where you are coming from might look your way. You are still quite young and there's a whole life ahead of you.

Bear in mind that YOU ARE NOT MARRIED BY LAW & TRADITION to this person. Save yourself, please.