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4everGod:
Anyone who has ever had a one on one encounter with Jesus always knows. There is always an impression or a knowing in your spirit that he is the one.

I am a witness to that.

cc Seun
lalasticlala
mynd44

Una no think say dis deserve front page?

Thanks a million! A baby instinctively knows its mother in whom it lived, moved and had its being initially.

This really tall Being!!! I can relate with that.

Anas09:
Pls let us note at this point, that the Tabernacle in question here is not the allegory of a dwelling place or a body.
What i mean is here is the place where Christ as the eternal high priest offered his blood.

On earth, the human high priest went in once a year with the blood of animals to offer for sin.

The Tabernacle which housed the holy of holies. Its actually the Holy of Holies am talking about.

When you say the rule of the blood is to give access to the Tabernacle, do you mean before or after the Fall since we know that the Tabernacle was there before the Fall?

After the fall. That was when sin , that is remitted by the blood, came in.

Anas09:
Good, very good.
Now, You said, there was a Tabernacle in heaven before the creation of the Earth right?

And a Tabernacle is defined as:
And having an high priest over the house of God Hebrews 10:21 He has always had One.

Shd we go with the notion that, The Fall of Adam was predestinated? Someone said, 'It was foreknown not predestinated". What is the difference?

I will come back to this.

There was a Tabernacle, and a Tabernacle comes with atonement, but there can't be any atonement without sin rigjt?

A tabernacle does not come with atonement. The issue of atonement only arose when sin came in.

So, was the Tabernacle built in atincipation for the Sin that shd be committed in future?

No. Especially considering the fact that Tabernacle = God's House.

His throne and Mercy seat is exterblished as being there forever, that is settled.
I totally agree with your other points, but where am interested in is, What is the connection between the dead Adam died with Blood of Jesus being offered in a Tabernacle in Heaven?

Why is there a need for that Tabernacle to be in Heaven.

Understand that the role of the Blood, inter alia, is access into the Tabernacle i.e Presence of God's Throne.

Anas09:
Hello Christian brethren. I hope this day met you well?

Well, i am studying Hebrews now. From Hebrews 7 to 10 the Holy Spirit is talking to us about the Priesthood of Cbrist. He compared it with the priesthood of Melchezedek, the eternal priest.

We are told that Jesus Himself was the High Priest who offered his own blood in the Holy of Holies in the Heavenly Tabernacle which existed before Moses. We are told that, that Tabernacle is not like the earthly one which was made with human hands and which a human high priest enters once every year with blood for atonement.

We are told that, when Moses was on mount Sinai, he was shown a replica of the Tabernacle in heaven and was asked to built the one in the Wilderness exactly like the one he was shown in a vison up on Mount sinai.

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews:8:5

And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.
Exodus:25:40

My Questions are...
1. Why was there a need for a Tabernacle which housed the Holy of Holies, where blood shd be offered in heaven, when it is on earth that sin was committed?

Now before the fall, was there a Tabernacle? Yes. Was blood offered therein? No. Why? Because the blood makes atonement for the soul. However, there was no sin to be remitted hence no need for blood to be shed.

The Tabernacle/Temple/Sanctuary is God's Throne:

Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Revelation 7:15

Remember the Holy of Holies was charaterised by the Mercy Seat and the 2 Cherubs? A type of the Throne Room.

2. When was that Tabernacle built?

Was it before or after the Fall of Adam?

On the basis of 1.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever
Hebrews 1:8a

3. Since the Word says, Blood is the only thing that can atone for sin which brought death, what is the connection between the sin Adam committed and shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?

Yes, the soul that sins, it shall die. The blood that speaks better things than that of Abel cries (not for vengeance) that One has died in our place hence, for those who believe this, it becomes INJUSTICE for a Just God to still hold those sins against them since one has paid the ultimate price. As regards Adam's sin, can you further explain what you mean by, "shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?"

Adam did not shed any blood, how did blood come in and why was the Blood of Christ required to Atone for the sin of Adam?

Because the soul that sins,it shall die or the wages of sin (not only murder) is death.

The Blood of Christ stands as the evidence that death indeed has taken place; death of one that has no debts/or sins of His own.

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 2:9
Blood signifies that death has taken place.

The blood of Abel cried to God and He responded. The Blood of Jesus also cries to the Father for us, and against the adversaries.

The Blood testifies the highlighted and God's judgement is withheld, the old debts are cancelled and the adversary loses his legal ground of attack instead, the God that executed judgement against the gods of Egypt when the blood was applied, now executed judgement swiftly against him when the believer by faith applies the blood.

Soul-Winners And Their Prayers
By Samuel L. Brengle

“The inwrought fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much” (James 5:16, R.V.).

All great soul-winners have been men of much and mighty prayer, and all great revivals have been preceded and carried out by persevering, prevailing knee-work in the closet. Before Jesus began His ministry, when great multitudes followed Him, He spent forty days and nights in secret prayer and fasting (Matt. 4:1-11).

Paul prayed without ceasing. Day and night his prayers and pleadings and intercessions went up to God (Acts 16:25; Phil. 1:3-11; Col. 1:3,9-11).

The Pentecostal baptism of the Spirit and the three thousand conversions in one day were preceded by ten days of prayer and praise and heart-searching and Bible-searching. And they continued in prayer until, on another day, five thousand were converted, and “a great company of the priests became obedient to the faith” (Acts 2:4-6; 4:4; 6:4-7).

Luther used to pray three hours a day, and he broke the spell of ages and set captive nations free.

John Knox used to spend nights in prayer, and cry to God, saying, “Give me Scotland, or I die!” and God gave him Scotland.

Baxter stained the walls of his study with praying breath, and sent a tide of salvation through all the land.

Over and over again, Mr. Wesley in his Journals—which, for lively interest, are next to the Acts of the Apostles—tells us of half and whole nights of prayer, in which God drew near and blessed people beyond expectation, and then he and his helpers were empowered to rescue England from paganism and send a revival of pure, aggressive religion throughout the whole earth.

David Brainerd used to lie on the frozen ground at night, wrapped in a bear’s skin, and spit blood, and cry to God to save the Indians. God heard him, and converted and sanctified the poor, ignorant, heathenish, quarrelsome, drunken beings by the scores and hundreds.

The night before Jonathan Edwards preached the wonderful sermon that started the revival which convulsed New England, he and some others spent the night in prayer.

A young man named Livingstone, in Scotland, was appointed to preach at one of the great assemblies. Feeling his own utter weakness, he spent the night in prayer, and next day preached a sermon, and five hundred people were converted. Glory to God! Oh, my Lord, raise up some praying people!

Mr. Finney used to pray till whole communities were put under the spell of the Spirit of God and men could not resist the mighty influence. At one time, he was so prostrated by his labours that his friends sent him on a voyage of rest to the Mediterranean Sea. But he was so intent upon the salvation of men that he could not rest, and, on his return, he got into an agony of soul for the evangelization of the world. At last, the earnestness and agony of his soul became so great that he prayed all day, till in the evening he got a restful assurance that God would carry on the work.

On reaching New York, he delivered his “Revival Lectures,” which were published at home and abroad, and resulted in revivals all over the world. Then his writings fell into the hands of Catherine Booth and mightily influenced her, so that The Salvation Army is in part God’s answer to that man’s agonizing, pleading, prevailing prayer that God would glorify His own name and save the world.

There is a young evangelist in America who was saved from Roman Catholicism. Everywhere he goes a “revival tornado” strikes the place and hundreds of people are converted. I wondered wherein lay the secret of his power; till a lady at whose house he stopped said he prayed all the time. She could hardly get him to his meals from his mighty wrestlings with God.

Before joining The Salvation Army, I was one day talking with Dr. Cullis, of Boston, that man of simple, wonder-working faith. He was showing me some photographs, and among them was one of Bramwell Booth, our Chief of the Staff.

“There,” said the doctor, “that man leads the mightiest holiness meetings in all England.”

He then told me about those famous White chapel meetings. When I went to England, I determined, if possible, to find out the secret of them.

“For one thing,” said an officer, “Mr. Bramwell used to conduct young men’s meetings at headquarters at that time, and he used to ask each saved young fellow to spend five minutes alone with God every day, wherever they could get it, praying for those Friday night meetings. One, who is a Brigadier now and was then employed in a large warehouse, had to squeeze himself into a great wicker packing case to get a chance to pray for five minutes.”

God has not changed. He waits to do the will of praying men.

Mr. Finney tells of a church in which there was a continuous revival for thirteen years. At last the revival stopped, and everybody feared and questioned why, till one day a tearful man arose and told how for thirteen years he had prayed every Saturday night till after midnight for God to glorify Himself and save the people. But two weeks before, he had stopped this praying, and then the revival had stopped. If God will answer prayer like that, what a tremendous responsibility rests on us all to pray!

Oh, for a holy soldier in every corps and a believing member in every church, who would spend half of every Saturday night in prayer! Here is work for resting officers, and for people who cannot go into Christian work because of insurmountable difficulties. You can do some needed knee-work.

But let no one imagine that this is easy work. It is difficult and amounts sometimes to an agony, but it will turn to an agony of joy in union and fellowship with Jesus. How Jesus prayed!

The other day a Captain, who prays an hour or more each morning and half an hour before his evening meeting, and who is very successful in getting souls saved, was lamenting to me that he often has to force himself to secret prayer. But in this he is tempted and tried like his brethren. All men of much prayer have suffered the same.

The Rev. William Bramwell, who used to see hundreds of people converted and sanctified everywhere he went, prayed six hours a day, and yet he said he always went to secret prayer reluctantly. He had to pull himself up to it. And after he began to pray, he would often have dry seasons, but he persevered in faith, and the heavens would open, and he would wrestle with God until the victory came. Then, when he preached, the clouds would break and rain down blessings on the people.

One man asked another the reason why Mr. Bramwell was able to say such new and wonderful things that brought blessings to so many people. “Because he lives so near the Throne that God tells him His secrets, and then he tells them to us,” said the other.

The Rev. John Smith, whose life, William Booth once told me, had been a marvelous inspiration to him, like Bramwell, always spent much time in prayer. He always found it hard to begin, and then got so blessed that it was hard to stop. Everywhere he went, mighty revival waves went also with him.

This reluctance to secret prayer may arise from one or more of several causes:

1. From wicked spirits. I imagine the devil does not care much to see the majority of coldhearted people on their knees in public, for he knows they do it simply because it is proper and the fashion. But he hates to see one on his knees in secret, for that man means business, and, if he perseveres in faith, is bound to move God and all Heaven in the interests he represents. So the devils oppose that man.

2. From the sluggishness of the body and mind, caused by sickness, loss of sleep, too much sleep, or overeating, which unduly taxes the digestive organs, clogs the blood, and dulls all the higher and nobler powers of the soul.

3. From a failure to respond quickly when we feel led by the Spirit to go to secret prayer. If, when we feel we should pray, we hesitate longer than is necessary and continue reading or talking when we could just as well be praying, the spirit of prayer will be quenched.

We should cultivate gladness at the thought of getting alone with Jesus in secret communion and prayer, as much as lovers expect pleasure and joy in each other’s society.

We should promptly respond to the inward call to prayer. “Resist the devil and he will flee from you,” and, “Keep our bodies under, lest after having preached to others we ourselves should be castaways.”

Jesus said, “Men ought always to pray, and not faint” (Luke 18:1); and Paul said, “Pray without ceasing” (1 Thess. 5:17).

One daredevil, praying, believing man can get the victory for a whole city or nation sometimes. Elijah did on Mount Carmel. Moses did for backsliding Israel; Daniel did in Babylon. But if a number of people can be led to pray in this way, the victory will be all the more sweeping. Let no one imagine, in a wicked heart of unbelief, that God is grudging and unwilling to answer prayer. He is more willing to answer those whose hearts are right with Him than parents are to give bread to their children.

When Abraham prayed for Sodom, God answered till Abraham stopped asking (Gen. 18:22-33). And is He not often angry with us because we ask so timidly, and for such small blessings, just as the prophet Elisha was angry with the king who smote but thrice when he should have smitten five or six times? (2 Kings 13:18-19).

Let us come boldly to the Throne of Grace and ask largely, that our joy may be full! (Heb. 4:16).

From Helps To Holiness(culled from Herald of His Coming)

on what basis do you say they are lies.

Towncrier007:
he's not a pastor

Indeed; must be one of those false prophets Jesus and the Apostles warned about.

chrmn1:
We don't need to make this unecessarily complex:

1. You can ask HardMirror if he lied about the information about the deceased brother. If he still claims he never lied, you have the screen shots showing his convo with the guy offline telling him he wasn't sure of the name if the brother whilst he was still claiming online that he knows the brother's name

2. If that part of the story is shown to have been cooked up, how certain are we about the rest of the story? For all we know it could still be true despite the wrong information about the dead brother and then it could be a farce as well. But at least if we solve number 1 above at least we would've made some progress

if old students have confirmed that NOBODY died during that period then the case is closed. Perhaps we should also ask them if they were aware of the exploits described by hard mirror therein. This will help us know how far other details therein could be trusted.

truthhurts2well:
Rule 8 talks about posting false information. How did damogul post false information when futarians here have confirmed his report?

meanwhile the real liar runs amok while a mock, evidently biased ' investigation' goes on!

rhektor:
And you are still here talking? Mr Christian hatist

speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron

mrmrmister:
No he's asking damogul to face what is most important to him
"His Belief"

I surmise damogul will do that when folks who have NO beliefs to share stay off the religion section.

ekanDamie:
sorry brov, don't be offended the thing is I've never had any need for a postal address.
but I don't wanna make a mistake. are u saying the 3 self addressed envelope I would submit the address on it must be same with the one I would fill in that postal field online?
my house dos not have a postal address so which do I get to use?

how about your church p.o.box?

mrmrmister:
I just wish you so called christians would pay this much attention to your religion.

I wish you could dedicate this much time investigating your religion and seeking the truth like you're doing now

Done that already.

I knew this all along. The whole scheme described in that thread was a diaphanous veneer, poorly spun by a true son of his father!!! When once I tried to raise certain issues, he threatened with some manipulative powers! .

He that moved that thread to front page might have had some sinister purposes but God is wiser than men.

ekanDamie:
pls, I encountered this in my registration and I don't know if I can skip it.
but if it is important, can anyone in Lagos give me postal information to input in that field?
thank you

Use any one that you have. Normally, you submit 3 self addressed, stamped envelopes so the cost of postage has been prepaid by you.

fineyemi:
u better don't try it

Thanks a lot.

Now, Earthkumy, consider the analysis below and kindly share your thoughts:

Jesus had 12 disciples who were Israelites and He never bade them deal with ancestral curses. However, hear what he said to those who rejected Him:





29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 [size=14pt]Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.[/size]

32 [size=18pt]Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.[/size]

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Matthew 23:29-35

Now these are my points:

1. The pharisees appeared to be doing a good or perhaps remedial action but it only made them more guilty;Why? they had the sin of unbelief(Major cause of condemnation John 3:18)
2. The eligibility of the pharisees to be partakers of an inherited judgement stemmed not from what they tried to do to exonerate themselves but their rejection of Christ and unbelief.
3. The disciples who were at the scene were neither referenced openly as being also guilty being Israelites, nor exhorted privately to do something to be free. Why? They believed on Jesus and were free from condemnation, Jesus also pronounced them clean.
4.Vs 32 shows that they, by their self-invented conciliatory measures (whole persisting in unbelief) were linking themselves as partakers of the sin of the perpetrators.

What am I driving at?
1. The sting of death (ultimate curse of the law) is sin; if a Christian is having these issues, the first inclination should not be deliverance but examination in His Presence. Just as unbelief (a great sin) made the pharisees able partakers of their fathers' sins and the curse it deserved, there might be certain sins that may be unchecked in the believer's life. It may not be deliberate, active sin. Perhaps an outstanding restitution, holding back from giving ourselves God (due to unbelief), withdrawing consecration once made, unwitting participation in the sin of others etc
-David had a 3-year famine thank God he inquired of God and saw that there was an unmitigated injustice to be rectified;
-Joshua lost a battle thank God he humbled himself before God and saw that a member of the church had flouted God's express word;
-Jehoshaphat's investment failed because he maintained unequal yoke with a sinner not because he was Asa's son. etc

Are these similar to the action of the Pharisees? NO! the Pharisees rejected the Lord and busied themselves with what was neither commanded in the law of Moses nor revelations of the prophets.

2. Ignorance (in-law to unbelief). God said His people are in captivity not because the enemies are stronger or that they have a legal right but because His people were ignorant.

I am here to learn.

ade2008:
No university will employ him as a lecturer even with HND+PGD+MSC, only polytechnic can. Even to be employed in a polytechnic the PGD should be in the core field(mass comm not in education+ MSC. Academic carreer for HND is very narrow , you can only work as a technologist, so my advice is obtain a degree if you're passionate about working in academic as lecturer. I'm a senior technologist working in a polytechnic , speaking from experience

Sir, how acceptable is a NOUN B.Sc?

Yes, crystal clear!

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Colossians 1:15-17

Take note of the colon that ends vs 15

No w a colon is used:

Use a colon between a grammatically complete introductory clause (one that could stand as a sentence) and a final phrase or clause that illustrates, extends, or amplifies the preceding thought. If the clause following the colon is a complete sentence, it begins with a capital letter
http://www.apastyle.org/learn/faqs/colon-use.aspx

Now that we have settled that, Christ is referred to as the First Born because He created all things as vs 16 shows. He is the Origin of all things and the Sustainer thereof as vs 17 shows.

But, there were no colons in the original manuscripts?

Note that the translators were doing exactly that, not transliterating. Now, in the greek as shown here - http://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1-16.htm - we see that the vs 16 starts with the word, BECAUSE, meaning the reference to Jesus as FirstBorn is as a result of the points found in Vs 16.

The very fact that vs 16 starts with the word 'because' shows that it was a single sentence continuing (also bear in mind that the break down to chapters and verses was not part of the manuscripts.)

And when the flesh is chastened, the spirit is more in tune with things spiritual. It is not as though God delights in we starving ourselves, it's just a way of reaching out to God laying aside what might be an encumbrance.

donnie:
The context was referring to order during meetings/ services. Not private worship or prayer.

Besides, there is a difference between praying in tongues and giving a message in tongues.

The scripture above refers to the later.

But the recording was not done in private?

Seun:
Yesterday, I decided to listen to the official video of Sinach's most famous worship song, 'Way Maker':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4XWfwLHeLM
I'm pleased to say that I enjoyed this video much better than her singing during the Benny Hinn program I reviewed earlier.

However, I have a problem. At 4:32 she spoke some words which I don't understand: "bo shadada vandasanda". After singing some more, at 4:52, she sang these words "o rerererebo shande yama zeke allelu," which I don't understand either. When I asked for the translation, I was told she was speaking in tongues which, fortunately, can be interpreted by those who have the gift.

I hereby call upon Nairalanders with the gift of interpretation of tongues to interpret those words for us so we can fully appreciate the song.

The spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets; if there will be none to interpret, let the person with a message in tongues keep quiet (Excerpts from 1 Corinth 14)

Since she went ahead to speak in tongues, I surmise that the interpreter was right there where the song was rendered, not here.

opysdoll:
D mother said it was a relif bt inside her she mst av felt d pains of loosin a child cos wen she gav birth 2 him she was happy she had a son nd 4 a child 2 b dat waywrd b4 we condemin d boy let's ask ourslves dis questions,DID SHE GV HIM A PROPER UP BRINGING?or is she one of doz women dat find it offensive wen u beat or correct dia kidz!tho som kidz cld b raised well nd still turn out bad bt we dnt knw wot happnd in d early stage of dat boi,

Just what I was thinking. She had him at age 19 years old, no mention of his father etc these leave a question mark on the woman too.

But where is urheme?

John testified about him when he shouted to the crowds, "This is the one I was talking about when I said, 'Someone is coming after me who is far greater than I am, [size=18pt]for he existed long before me.'"[/size]

John 1:15

There! That settles it

skeendyke:
After a long time being away from this section, I must say I'm very glad to see the faces of Scholar8200 and Malvisguy212. It is really great to see you both.

Thanks a lot.

malvisguy212:
hello bro, long time.

Indeed, where have you been?