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TAO11:
Nope!

That’s an anonymous third-person (blog) telling us what they wants Ga people to be.

Such third-person blog post is of the same type as the two liars whom I just corrected here — that is; third persons Nairaland posts telling us what they want Ga people to be.

What you should be doing (instead of citing a third person anonymous blog) is actually to provide a direct statement from the Ga King (or the Ga people) — just like I have already done here.

So, I’m waiting for you to expose the Ga King as a liar.

Cheers!

Actually Europeans have been known to make such spurious claims about various African ethnic groups in that era, based exclusively on the littoral kingdoms they managed to make contact with along the coastlines such as Dahomey, Benin, Ashanti and a cameroonian coastal kingdom known as Biafara.

It is all lies they went back to their home nations in Europe to cook up in tales of wild and exotic Africa in an era of restrained ability to navigate the interior and various issues with cartography.
They made such lavish statements and even said there was a vast chain of mountains in the interior of west Africa spanning from east to west known as the Kong hills....

Of course we know better now that they were all untrue.


ohhhh and of course like you righty said if the people involved don't have an intergenerational oral history of it happening, backed up by cultural and geographical realities on ground, then it is of course downright false.

TAO11:
What!? These kids’ (@samuk and @AreaFada2) small tribe syndrome is this deep to the point of falsely claiming the Ga people of Ghana too ??

Wonderful!

Anyways, the embedded image below shows the statements and testimony of King Nii Adama Latse himself:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12780761_1808c041a6984469be0efdb384cfc23d_jpeg_jpeg6fee1dfb8de315cda592b9c257072bb1

The link to the Ghanaian Media Source is also as pasted below:

https://www.gbcghana.com/kitnes/cache/pages/id/www/1.9603545/1.htm

Let’s see if their standard of allowing people decide who they are would be respected at this juncture, or their small tribe syndrome delusion would kick in.

I’m glad people like myself are still around to make you all popular on Nairaland for the real deluded mythomaniacs that you all are.

cc: Afam4eva, Juliusmalema, RedboneSmith, macof, LegendHero, scholes0, gomojam, Barbilius, babtoundey, Balogunodua, geosegun, Kirigidi, duruZed, Ofunwa111, Alba3, Sepukku

Lmao...

Ga loun loun......

As for Ikwerres, I don't really give a F what kind of stories they cook up just to dissociate themselves from the Igbos, including going all the way to ile ibinu to claim their fore-bearers came from there... that is an internal matter in the eastern region.

But you see in this our Ghana (Aflao)-Togo (Kpalime/Lome)-Benin(Seme Kpodji, Ifonyin/Idi-Iroko)-Nigeria quadri-border region ehhn .... Anybody wey forget him papa house 'ta fele-fele' fling himself into unfamiliar territory go see anyhow.

Small tribe syndrome like your aptly put it.

Etinosa1234:
U have finally said what u can't prove

How do u feel

Can't be bothered by benin denialisms.
Not new....... one of your friends u there is even denying the existence of the word.

some are denying it outright
some others are disputing the origin

E pele.

Etinosa1234:
firstly... Pls explain how Benin copied the word

The same way they copied Osun and Ogun and Oronmila and Itan (Historical accounts).

Watch how they will go from..."No, we don't call a queen Olori and it isn't even a Bini word" to.... "The Oloi/Olori of Benin is different from the Yoruba Olori" to.... "It is a shared common word from Niger Congo" to...... "It is an original Bini word that entered into Yoruba" ....

Benin people, una DOH!

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davidmarker2:
Called Olori by whom ?
The fact some guy called her olori does not equate to Edo people calling their Queens Olori. Is this so hard to understand ?
There are ignorant people everywhere especially in nigeria, you peoples education is one big joke.
How I thank God I left to study in europe.

looool... are you sure you are even bini?

Every true born Edo person knows than a queen is Olori. how you chose to pronounce it is up to you peeps... just the same way you lots pronounce Oba with the wrong intonation.

gregyboy:
Wtf bro

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Benin people call the king's wife Olori

Another borrowing from Ife and Yoruba language,

So igalas have a nasal accent...

interesting.

TAO11:
Distractive Super Story!

Everyone is waiting for your Benin evidence of the actual “oba” issue at hand — in line with your claims.

cc: Afam4eva, RedboneSmith, macof, scholes0, juliusmalema


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PS on the distractive comment about the “Ife-Benin Connection” of which you all have lately decided to live in denial:

See the first screenshot below one more time, and go figure what your king was doing in ancient Ife’s archaeological deposit — especially in an interesting site.

~ This screenshot is taken from: S.P. Blier, “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c. 1300”; Cambridge University Press, 2015, p.213. (A free full-access digital copy of this work is not readily available as of yet, only a free preview copy with limited content is available online as of now).
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See also the two following screenshots of ancient Ife’s early terra-cotta heads produced obviously in the ‘Benin style’, and come tell us more about how the ancient connection never existed. Lol!

~ These screenshots are taken from: [url=https://collections.si.edu/search/results.htm?q=%22Ife+terracottas%22] The Smithsonian Institution’s Online Collections[/url]. Click it! (The two images of terre-cotta among others — as well as images of some popular ancient Ife ‘bronze’ figures — all entered into this institution’s collections sometimes between 1984 and 1998).

This honestly deserves its own thread

TAO11:
The word used by other Edo-speaking monarch’s for “king” all appear to be around the Edo root-word “ogie” — “king”.

Many word deriving from this word are used by the Edos and allied-people for “king” till date. Consider the following examples:

(1) “Ogiso” (from: “ogie-iso” — meaning: the “king from the sky” ).

Historically, this was the epithet used by the Edo supreme rulers in their first dynasty prior to their shift and adoption of “Oba” from the beginning of their second dynasty.


(2) “Ogiamien” (“the king of the [Edo] country” ).

Historically, this was the epithet used by the Edo regents during the intermediate period (interregnum) between the first dynasty and the second dynasty.

Till date, the “Ogiamien” royal family line still survives in Benin. They insist, till date, that the present ruling royal family of Benin (i.e. “Oba” ) is a foreign non-Bini lineage all the way from Ife.

(3) “Ogiame” (from “ogie-ame“ — meaning: the “king over the waters” ).

Till date, the personal names of Itsekiri kings are prefixed by the word “ogiame” by virtue of their connection to the monarchy of Benin.

(4) The following are some other derived words from “ogie” used by Edo-related monarchies (such as Urhobo, et al.) around today’s South-South Nigeria: “Enogie”, “Ovie”, “Orodje”, et al.

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And I’m certain that you’re aware that I never claimed anywhere that Europeans visited Africa prior to the second Benin dynasty. Lol.

In Owan part of Edo North they use “Oje” While others still use “Ojie”

Last names like

Aidenoje/gie//je
Eidenoje/jie/gie
Aidelogie/jie/je

Can be found all over Edo... meaning you do not challenge the KING. The target word here being King.


All buttressing the points we are trying to make here.

Once you start understanding Edo languages and traditions - it is just actually quite easy to bust these peoples lies. The problem is usually that most Yorubas don’t understand the inner working of Edo land and their language- but majority of them do have some knowledge of ours, hence most times it is easy for them to weave a backstory by looking for loopholes in Yoruba oral traditions.

I call it “afterthought“ or “retrospective history”.. They’ve become actually quite good at it.

babtoundey:
Thank you. I meat to write Ogori people in Kogi State. Ogori not Igori

Ohhh okay.
They have a mother tongue called Oko.

They are not exactly Yorubas though. If they eventually become Yoruba it will be by assimilation and not foundational ethnic affinity.... That process is already complete or near complete in some closer villages like Ikakumo and Ayanran in northern Edo (as an example)

samuk:
Don't be surprised if research shows that the bigger Igbo borrowed their BIA and chukwu from a smaller tribe. I am sure you must have seen the debate between the Benin and Yoruba on the origin of the title Oba. On the surface it will appear the Benin borrowed the word from the Yorubas because of its wide used by them and their much bigger population, but the fact is no Yoruba traditional ruler used the Oba title until the 1900s. Under British colonial rule the most senior Yoruba rulers such as the Ooni and Alaafin used the title Sir, so what you have is Sir Adebola Ademola, the Ooni of Ife, it was later they started using Oba.

The Benins have always wished this to be the case unfortunately for Benins it isn't .. and the shadow cast by the Oba from Yorubaland will forever continue to loom heavily over Benin's entire existence. But don't worry, I understand the feeling.

I guess the following Yoruba towns and villages did not exist until recently ko?
Ilu Omoba - Ekiti
Obajana - Kogi
Obadore Omuo - Ekiti
Gaa Oba - Kwara
Too much to even start listing.

Also, all the Oja Oba (Oba's market located usually beside the palace and right in the middle of the old quarters) in virtually every Yoruba town didn't exist either...
Just google Oja Oba and see the plethora of locations you get. From Ilorin to Akure to Ado to Ibadan to Osogbo to Kabba to Oyo township.. These institutions are not called Oja Deji or Oja Alaafin or Oja Obaro or Oja Olu. They are known as Oja Oba throughout Yorubaland.

Even Obalufon from ife who has a famous copper alloy mask circa 1300s was also given permission to be Oba by binis who were probably still at crossroads whether to completely ditch the Ogiso title or not.

You Benin people are just Jokers. One mistake (or maybe it is actually deliberate) that you people usually make is that y'all make automatic assumptions due to the lack of knowledge of Yoruba language you people automatically culturally appropriate anything from Yorubaland in your kingdom and misrepresent some very fundamentally Yoruba things even in Yorubaland.
Someone from Urhonigbe than has absolutely zero Idea that Eti in Yoruba means ear, edge or bank and Osa means Tide or Lagoon in Yoruba language will just come from Siluko road and start talking about how Eti Osa local government means "Power of God" and how the first settlers came from bini land.

If I start making a list of Yoruba and Yoruba derived words and calques in the Bini language, I will get to page 13 on this Nairaland lasan.

smh

babtoundey:
There is even a group in Kogi State called Igodo. The bear Yoruba names and even claim to.have come from Ife like most Yoruba stocks yet they insist the are not Yoruba.

Abeg which one is Igodo again?

Juliusmalema:
For thos saying Igbo enwe Eze and there Rubbish propaganda.

This is a testament that Igbos have kings before the arrival of the white man


As for the caste system, I reserve my comment.

The one you are supposed to comment about gangan you no comment

Na comment wey no follow you dey talk about.

codemaniacs:
elvictor comment is the reason why some Nigerians and some Africans support Trump... leisuretym comment below is the reason Nigerians don't want b:iden to win....

Trump's ignorance of Africa is what has helped reduce t:error attacks in Africa...

If a U:S president is not going to support Africa's development then that president needs to ignore Africa which is what O:bama should have done.... instead of helping turn African countries to war zones and refugee camps....

b:iden winning is bad for African countries.

Oga there is very minimal difference between democrats and republicans when it comes to the internationall policies of the USA.

Which countries did democrats 'destrroy' in Africa that republicans won't do same?

Has anything like the Arab spring which led to the eventual US interference in Libya happened under Trumps time in office?

Have you forgotten how bush invaded the Middle east under the pretence of looking for weapons of mass destruction which they had?

Always complaining always blaming everyone but himself.
Michigan and Wisconsin have flipped, Arizona and its 11 electoral college votes which he took in 2016 are safely in the Dems sack.

That is the end.

Nigerians religiously supporting Trump are some of the most ridiculous black people to ever exist.
Una no even get shame... if we were in the mid 19th century, Trump as a US lawmaker would vote against the abolition of slavery. As a mtatter of fact, if he could have his way blacks in the US wouldn't have been 'allowed' to vote in this election.

Anyways, bye bye Trump!

LegendHero:
That’s 2-0 out of Nine.

We are still waiting the rest to know what’s up.

shey kini yen jare.

uniqueboi1:
2-0 against who?
Tribal bigot.

Against rest of Nigeria together..

Bb

To participate in Protests.. dem no go show.
To burst into Palliative warehouse, you see them in numbers.

Northerners.

Facts.

Lagos state can't be turned into a FT (Federal Territory)

Maybe Eti osa and Lagos Island can follow, but definitely not the greater part (80%) of Lagos state which were all part of the defunct Western region before they were brought to become a part of Lagos state in 1967.

I smell a population census coming up.

mosdii:
Bayelsa state is the only homogeneous Ijaw state in the Niger Delta region of Nigeria.

Bayelsa is the acronym of the then 3 local government areas in old Rivers State namely; Brass, Yenagoa and Sagbama (BALGA, YELGA & SALGA).
Present day Bayelsa, has 8 LGA's namely;
1. Kolokuma/Opokuma
2. Yenagoa
3. Southern ijaw
4. Sagbama
5. Ekeremor
6. Ogbia
7. Nembe
8. Brass

In the old Rivers State, Brass LGA comprised of Ogbia, Nembe & Brass respectively.
Yenagoa LGA comprised of Kolokuma/Opokuma, Yenagoa and Southern ijaw and
Sagbama LGA comprised of Sagbama and Ekeremor.

Bayelsa state is predominantly ijaw with other sub and ijaw dialects.

These ijaw dialects includes;
1. Nembe: This ijaw dialect is the second most spoken ijaw dialect in the state after the more conventional ijaw dialect.
It is spoken in two local government areas; Nembe and Brass who are similar to the kalabari people of Rivers State.

2. Ogbia: This dialect is the third most spoken ijaw dialect in the state. This dialect is synonymous with the Abua and Odual dialect in Rivers State.
The Ogbia, Abua and Odual people are said to be from the same roots.
The Ogbia dialect is spoken by people of Ogbia local government area.
Former President GEJ is from this area.

3. Epie-Atissa: This dialect is spoken by the people of Epie-Atissa in the state capital of Yenagoa.
They are said to be an offshoot of the Edoid descendants of Oguan.

4. Urobho: This dialect is spoken by the Ofoni people in Sagbama LGA of Bayelsa state.
They are synonymous to the Urobhos in Delta state.

5. Okordia: This dialect is spoken by the Okordia people in Yenagoa LGA.

6. Biseni: Spoken by the Biseni people in Yenagoa LGA.

7. Zarama: Spoken by the Zarama people in Yenagoa LGA.

The last three dialects are synonymous and they are known with the acronym OZB.

Your opening statement and your number 4 fact are contradictory... No?

So Ikpoba Okha is not even 100% indiginous binis? Same with the Ovia local governments same with Orhionmwon.

How many LG do Binis now indigenously occupy in entirety?

Etrusen:
it's really funny


yorubas are truly confuse with their history


please OP remove Egbeta and usen of edo state from the list because they were are not Yoruba community and weren't founded by Yorubas

They are Yoruba communities.

You probably haven't even been there before.

Useless government.