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MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word Satan was given a free choice of his own:

You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.
John 8:44


Then Jehovah said to Satan: “Look! Everything that he has is in your hand. Only do not lay your hand on the man himself!” So Satan went out from the presence of Jehovah. Job 1:12

From this two verses it's obvious that Satan has a mind of his own (freewill) that's why God's word says all those intentionally doing what is evil takes after Satan (Genesis 3:19) because that's the first and foremost intelligent creature who chose to do evil according to his own disposition. Such persons ignores wise counsels since it won't go down well with their inner motives! Deuteronomy 32:5
On the other hand imperfection often makes us feel like doing what is bad because we're seeing the gain though short-lived! Romans 7:21-23; Hebrew 11:25 compare to Psalms 73:3-5






YES JEHOVAH is the Creator so those who love doing good and those who takes pleasure in dishonest gain are within his reach, therefore we need not panic because he is much more powerful than they are! Psalms 23:4 compare to Matthew 10:28

Thanks for showing appreciation for our book (Bible) may you have PEACE!

You are quoting a story book for me ....the new testament is not scripture. .

Read and understand. It is not must to display your ignorance...learn.
I did not open this to argue. I opened it to teach .

Only those with understanding. Not people like you.

The Satan is a created being. He was not given a free choice of his own... he was created for a purpose and he does what he was created to do. God said, “I created both good and evil”... and why did God create evil so that we would know good...

Isaiah 45:7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I HaShem do all these things”

There is nothing here but God and His Name... mankind is given a free choice along with an evil inclination and a good inclination to apply your free choice too... if you apply your free choice to your good inclination and do what is right according to the Torah for the sake of heaven because God commanded it you will receive a portion in the world to come (heaven).... if you apply your free choice to your evil inclination and reject the Torah you will create your own gehinnom (hell)... the Satan has no control over which inclination (good or evil) you chose to apply your free choice too. The Satan only accuses you before God of the choices YOU made... it is not the evil that God created or the evil the Satan causes, but it is the evil YOU created from ignoring the Torah to satisfy your ego and to please your physicality. God is not evil and the Satan is not evil... YOU are the one who creates the evil out of your free choice, which allows YOUR evil inclination to cause YOU to ignore the Torah... for the sake of self alone.

Instead of thinking for new ways to move humanity forward...they are waiting for a Jew that was executed on a cross.

Christians Jesus died on a cross not a bumerang....he is not coming back.

Lol...God is consciousness...Not a Jewish man up in the sky.
God is within us. Those battles are within. Those tribes represents our inner demon like jealousy, envy, procrastination, Fear, and the likes....

The Bible is not a literal history book. It is spiritual manual to guide us in the journey of life...

Ezi1993:
please guys which channel is showing this match on gotv?

Itv

chatinent:
2 Tim 3:16: All scriptures were inspired of God.


Calm down and learn.

You that have eyes but can't see, my name is sonmuayina. What concerns me with Paul's letter to his friend Timothy? It is rude to read other peoples correspondence.....

More over, the scripture Paul was talking about is the Tanaka. What you lousy christians refers to as old testament.

chatinent:
I thought you even knew anything.

Look who is talking? Asking me to read what a faceless guy wrote?

I am quoting God himself...

chatinent:
Read your Bible to see what it says.

Who is he?...its like me asking you to read Peter pan or Things fall apart...

Who is James?
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil ...I the lord do all these things...Isaiah 45:7

chatinent:
This is a very wrong philosophy.

James 1:13 says you lie.

Who is James?

Whatever happens, happens because it is the will of God. Whether it is good or evil. If God says A , nobody can change it to B. People should remember that God is not a man or human being , good and evil mean same thing to God. If I ask God for the life of my enemy, he is going to grant it. Not every body will be smart enough to ask for wisdom like Solomon...

So God, creates and God destroys...

Just learn and wake up..

You guys will not loose anything if you truly accept the fact that these are poorly written tales by men with little or no understanding about Our creator..

These unknown authors just collected tales from different scriptures to create their Jesus character. There is nothing divine about Christianity. It is all confusion and more confusion. Just learn the laws of God and obey them. That is the only way to have a meaningful relationship with our creator.

He never said he was going to impregnate another man's wife to sire a son. It is all Roman creation to deceive.

Man is imperfect by design. There is no such thing as a perfect human being. ...

Jesus bleeped the woman he met at the well. After promising her holy sperm(living water) to break the yoke. The woman was unable to have a child.

Jesus stayed in her house for 5 days. I guess they where playing ludo...

Mtheeeew.

freeze22:
Paul was alluding to Matthew 24:31, so how can you say he knows nothing?
Death is like a sleep (John 11:11) or being in an unconscious state (Eccl 9:5). You don't go to heaven or hell at the point of death until after the resurrection (John 5:28-29). So if you're wondering where Jesus Christ comes into the picture, the resurrection says it all.

What is resurrection? So when the spirit leaves the body at death, it returns to its owner ie God. And the body back to dust. ..If the body is in coma. That is a different thing. People can be in coma for days. Which is what I am suspecting happened to Jesus. John said in his gospel that Nicodemus and Joseph brought Myrhh and aloes about a hundred pounds weight. Those are herbs used for healing and not for embalming...

A careful sturdy and understanding of the creation story in Genesis will show that God created everything in twos. Light and darkness, day and night, good and evil, heaven and earth, Man and woman, Physical and spiritual realm,...etc. The only thing that does not obey the laws of duality is Time. Who ever controls your time controls you. There is no alternative to time.
The two were created to compliment each other, they are not opposing forces. At the end of the day, they will both dissolve to their earliest form.
The two realms exist side by side. When we die in the spiritual realm, it means we are born in the physical, when we die in the physical ...we are born in the spiritual, but this time it is backwards. In the movie "Casper the friendly ghost"..Casper was asked "what does death feels like?, He answered..it is like been born again but backwards..life is a circle, not a straight line.

When the spirit inhabits a body in the womb of a woman, it becomes a soul. That is what the debate is all about. Between pro life and pro choice...at what stage does the fetus become conscious?

We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

freeze22:
To understand from the Bible the real truth about death, let's start at the beginning and see how our Creator made us.

"The LORD God formed the man [adam, Hebrew] from the DUST OF THE GROUND [adamah, Hebrew] and breathed into his nostrils THE BREATH OF LIFE, and the man became A LIVING BEING [SOUL, Hebrew]." -Genesis 2:7. Emphasis added (Unless otherwise noted, all Scriptural texts are from the New International Version of the Bible [NIV].)

At Creation God fashioned Adam from "the dust of the ground." He had a brain in his head ready to think; blood in his veins ready to flow. Then God breathed into his nostrils "the breath of life," and Adam became "a living being" [Hebrew, "a living soul"]. Note carefully, the Bible does not say Adam received a soul; rather it says that "man became a living soul." As God breathed into Adam, life began to flow from God. The combination of the body and "the breath of life" made Adam "a living being," "a living soul."

So we might write the human equation like this:

"Dust of Ground" + "Breath of Life" = "A Living Soul"

Lifeless Body + Breath from God = A Living Being

Each of us has a body and a reasoning mind. As long as we continue to breathe, we will be a living being, a living soul.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A PERSON DIES?

At death the reverse of the creative process described in Genesis 2:7 takes place:

"And the DUST returns to the ground it came from, and the SPIRIT [BREATH OF LIFE] returns to God who gave it." -Ecclesiastes 12:7.

The Bible often uses the Hebrew words for "breath" and "spirit" interchangeably. When people die, their body becomes "dust" and the "spirit" (the "breath of life" returns to God, its source. But what happens to the soul?

"As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, . . . every LIVING SOUL belongs to me. . . . THE SOUL WHO SINS IS THE ONE WHO WILL DIE." -Ezekiel 18:3-4.

The soul dies! It is not now immortal-it can perish.

The equation derived from Genesis 2:7, when God made us, reverses itself at death.

"Dust of Earth" - "Breath of Life" = "A Dead Soul"

Lifeless Body - Breath from God = A Dead Being

Death is the cessation of life. The body disintegrates to dust, and the breath, or spirit, goes back to God. We are a living soul in life, but in death only a corpse, a dead soul, dead being. So the dead are not conscious. When God takes back the breath of life He gave to us, our soul dies. But with Christ there is hope.

Forget about Paul, He knows nothing about spiritual issues. Most of his letters are all his personal opinion.

The letters he wrote to his friends are not the word of God.

Asper the bold. How does Jesus feature in the equation?

How does he affect it?

freeze22:
Yes brother, but it doesn't end there. Check out 1 Corinthians 15:52 "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Hope I am not talking to a teenager?...what is the meaning of that?

Explain what you just typed..

freeze22:
Maybe a Roman invention to you brother. But definitely not to me

So of what importance is he, if not a distraction ? Spirit returns to God and body back to earth(dust)...

Casper21:
I feel like when you die, your soul either goes to heaven or hell, you know why?? Cos in the Bible, it says Jesus went to hell when he died and ascended into heaven on the 3rd day. Ask yourself, what was he doing in hell?

I don't know. What was incredible hulk doing in Asgard?..

So many questions,no answer..

freeze22:
To understand from the Bible the real truth about death, let's start at the beginning and see how our Creator made us.

"The LORD God formed the man [adam, Hebrew] from the DUST OF THE GROUND [adamah, Hebrew] and breathed into his nostrils THE BREATH OF LIFE, and the man became A LIVING BEING [SOUL, Hebrew]." -Genesis 2:7. Emphasis added (Unless otherwise noted, all Scriptural texts are from the New International Version of the Bible [NIV].)

At Creation God fashioned Adam from "the dust of the ground." He had a brain in his head ready to think; blood in his veins ready to flow. Then God breathed into his nostrils "the breath of life," and Adam became "a living being" [Hebrew, "a living soul"]. Note carefully, the Bible does not say Adam received a soul; rather it says that "man became a living soul." As God breathed into Adam, life began to flow from God. The combination of the body and "the breath of life" made Adam "a living being," "a living soul."

So we might write the human equation like this:

"Dust of Ground" + "Breath of Life" = "A Living Soul"

Lifeless Body + Breath from God = A Living Being

Each of us has a body and a reasoning mind. As long as we continue to breathe, we will be a living being, a living soul.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A PERSON DIES?

At death the reverse of the creative process described in Genesis 2:7 takes place:

"And the DUST returns to the ground it came from, and the SPIRIT [BREATH OF LIFE] returns to God who gave it." -Ecclesiastes 12:7.

The Bible often uses the Hebrew words for "breath" and "spirit" interchangeably. When people die, their body becomes "dust" and the "spirit" (the "breath of life" returns to God, its source. But what happens to the soul?

"As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, . . . every LIVING SOUL belongs to me. . . . THE SOUL WHO SINS IS THE ONE WHO WILL DIE." -Ezekiel 18:3-4.

The soul dies! It is not now immortal-it can perish.

The equation derived from Genesis 2:7, when God made us, reverses itself at death.

"Dust of Earth" - "Breath of Life" = "A Dead Soul"

Lifeless Body - Breath from God = A Dead Being

Death is the cessation of life. The body disintegrates to dust, and the breath, or spirit, goes back to God. We are a living soul in life, but in death only a corpse, a dead soul, dead being. So the dead are not conscious. When God takes back the breath of life He gave to us, our soul dies. But with Christ there is hope.

This is the only thing that spoilt your whole write up. You have the right knowledge, but how Jesus feature in the equation is what you don't want to give up. You are still holding on to idolatry. ...let it go. Jesus is just a Roman invention.

God is the universal divine consciousness, not a man or human being. The battle is within us.
Gods laws are universal..and was given to all of mankind. The God of the Jews is same as Eledumare of Yoruba or chukwu of the Igbo's. Just the nomenclature that is different.
The romans created the Jesus character to divide God into two.

The Jews only used propaganda to say their God is the real God...

livingchrist:
Nobody died? common why living in denial,

Isaiah 53:8-10 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.


Which person in history did this happen to?

It is Israel...it is still happening to him...
It is what the kings of the earth will say when they discovered that Israel was right all along...

The devil is a christian creation. Just like their jesus..

livingchrist:
Read Isaiah 53,
It said that Christ soul will be the offering for sin

I have read it. It is talking about a suffering servant. Nobody died.

It says "He shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days, and the will of the lord shall prosper in his hands....
Isaiah already told you in 41: 5-9 that the servant is israel. How did you factor in " jezus"?

livingchrist:
Jesus is the only perfect man without sin that ever lived, He meant all the requirements and hence qualified, and the fact that he was a God-man means that his life can cover perfectly the cost of our sins.

Whose idea is it? Which prophet in the old testament did God reveal this plan to?

Amos 3:7 says " God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet"...

livingchrist:
Human's are not qualified

Exactely....so how does jesus fit in to The equation?

livingchrist:
Go back and read leviticus, Animals were offered for the remission of sins, nothing is done without shedding blood.

So when did God say he would accept human sacrifice?

livingchrist:
Jesus came as the lamb that takes away the sins of the word, not as a father to a son.
Ezekiel 18, is between a father and a son.
Jesus sacrifice is the only way, remember without shedding of blood sins cannot be remitted, so your sins will only be upon you forever when you do accept the sacrifice of Jesus.

Where did you get this from? From God or ..

Kobojunkiee:
In the book of Genesis, when God condemned man to die for his sins, God condemned him to perish in the grave meaning when man died in his unbelief, he ceased to exist - mind, body and soul .I.e. no afterlife.

Man was not created an eternal being and so he had to earn eternity some other way, hence the Laws, and Salvation through the following of them.

I cant make heads or tails about this your comment.

You still have not answered my question.

I will repeat it again to make it clearer.
God said"let us make man in our own image, after our likeness....and God formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils and man became a living being"...

Ecclesiaties 12;7 body returns to dust and spirit returns to God..

What is jesus saving? The body that returns to dust or the spirit (or breath) that returns to God?

God gave humanity laws to follow, so they can have a more fulfilling experience..
Is it complicated?

Why create the jesua character?

livingchrist:
Jesus died as a man.

Was that difficult to answer?.

So....you know a man can not die for the sins of another. It is against Gods laws..Ezekiel 18. So jesus dying is of no use to any body.

Kobojunkiee:
Salvation refers to the saving from the condemnation of sin(Death) , not to be confused with sin itself.

Paul was a Jewish sinner, even though he claimed to be of the Pharisee class - he was one of the walking dead. By choosing to believe in Jesus Christ, Paul was imparted with Jesus' Righteousness and Death(from Jesus's fulfillment of the Old Covenant Law of Moses), freeing Him, Paul, from every Old Covenant obligation, and granting him a new life(eternal life) in Jesus Christ, under a New Covenant.

You are saying something different. You did not address the points i raised in my comment.

Man is God spirit + dust of the earth.

When man experiences death. The spirit returns to God and the body to earth..

What is jesus saving? And how does paul come in.

livingchrist:
God does not accept human sacrifice because no human is perfect enough to offer himslef.

Did jesus die as man or as God....