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Kobojunkiee:
I see.
Doesn't the fact that God Himself declared of His Covenant through Jesus Christ, that He would install His Spirit inside of those who belong to Him, causing them to obey His commands, pull the brakes on the free-will debate, I mean as far as those who are born-again followers, that is?
While I don't subscribe to any groups, I ask however if you are indeed aware that Jesus Christ did in fact teach of a Hell - the Kingdom of God consists of two kingdoms: Heaven and Hell.
Lol
I agree that the Messiah has nothing to do with religion since what He brought was a contract/agreement between God and individual man, not groups.

livingchrist:
your submission has no place in the bible and you obviously lack wisdom hence I saw no need in correcting you since you are proud and self concited, surely you know more than the bible, which of cause is the thought of a fool.

you are confused, you could not find any biblical support for your baseless submission hence the use of superfluous empty words and emojis.

Abraham believed in God and that faith was counted to him for righteousness, no mention of works there, because when it comes to works even Abraham cannot boast.

Kobojunkiee:
So, you are just small-minded after all is said and done

Truvel:
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Kobojunkiee:
Again... God gave specific laws Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and also to the Children of Israel. The details of the Law He gave the children of Israel is expressed beginning in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy- All comprise the Law/Covenant/agreement of Moses, given by God specifically to those of the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Note that even the other direct descendants of Abraham, and his other descendants, Isaac and his other descendant were and are not covered in that agreement either - they are gentiles as far as that Law/Covenant/agreement is concerned.
He went as far as making a separate but included covenant with families(Levites, and Aaron) in same Israel to drive home this point.
I understand that you are desperate to claim that your ibo God is the same God as the God of the Jews - even the Islamics do their best to convince themselves that they serve the same God as the jews- but the fact is no matter how you try to slice and dice it, you would need to ignore the declarations made, and carried out by the Jewish God, in order to accomplish any of that.

At this point, I already see the problem with your belief and ask that you take it up with God Himself since you seem to believe the Jews successfully tampered with the Law given by God to Moses, implying God is incompetent and incapable of maintaining the Truth of His own Laws as well.

Kobojunkiee:
That is funny coming from someone who posts falsehoods and conjures up ideas in his mind which he posts as facts.
Rather than attempt to tackle my rebuttal, you continue to think that an attack at my person is the best strategy, and you believe I am the cognitive dissonance case here?
If asserting God's own decree, as is found in scripture, is what you consider propaganda, then color me guilty!

annyplenty:
If Google had his picture, then he is not personified, he is a person. you can just go to Google and download the picture instead of asking me to post his picture.

Kobojunkiee:
God established a Law in the beginning which He may have given to all of mankind, but we are no privy to all of the details of this Law. However, we also know that the same God mades separate Laws with peoples... Noah, and then Abraham, for example, and eventually the Children of Israel.
So, there is the Law that applies to all of mankind, and then the Laws that apply to specific cases and peoples even.
God gave a Specific Law to the Children of Israel.. and the details of that Law is expressed beginning in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy- All comprise the Law/Covenant/agreement of Moses, given by God specifically to those of the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Note that even the other direct descendants of Abraham, and his other descendants, Isaac and his other descendant were and are not covered in that agreement either - they are gentiles as far as that Law/Covenant/agreement is concerned.

Throughout the books the record of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, God drops hint after hint, to make it clear that the agreement He was making was specifically between Him and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and that the agreement was an eternal one with them too.
So, it is only out of ignorance that you claim that this Law/agreement/Covenant, is from God to all of mankind. God, through His prophet Moses, made certain that no one can even attempt such an argument of such in this.
I am afraid you have your history lessons turned upside down. Constantine showed up about 300 years after Jesus Christ - he certainly did not invent or create Jesus Christ.

At that time, Christianity, the Jesus Christ movement, had been in motion for well over 3 centuries. He, Constantine, came in, pretending to be a Christian himself, to resolve, in his own way, the issue of persecution that had plagued much of Christianity before and during some of his time He also sought to assert his power over the division that had also formed at that time between the many power greedy bishopricks, I like to call them, fighting for control over the movement at that time.

annyplenty:
you just trivialised every thing with this your request.

Kobojunkiee:
Why not go into detail about it is you believe I got wrong instead?

Kobojunkiee:
The Romans who you think created Jesus Christ did not since they also rejected Him - history tells us they never really did accept Jesus Christ either.

So how come rejected by the Jews and the Romans, Jesus still lives?

By the way, who was I supposed to ask what now?

Kobojunkiee:
Realize this, God is not a fool! Read Ezekiel 18 for an example of How God goes about changing His mind, and this is in the case of just one law in His Covenant.

Now imagine what God changing His mind about those who can be a part of His agreement would read like.

God is not an idiot that He would rectify a whole contract simply in one "suggestive" statement through His Prophet. If you know Him, you would know this of Him.

annyplenty:
he is not personified. he is a real person. Don't believe a lie.

Kobojunkiee:
Zehcariah spoke of Jesus Christ and so did many of the so called lesser prophets. You don't even realize that that verse you quoted there points to the time of Jesus Christ, do you?

Use your head...Were the apostles not Jews that many non Jews came to ask of God from?

Nowhere in Zechariah did He declare that God changed His mind about His Old Old Covenant that no Jews will suddenly be allowed, without an edict from God Himself, into His fold(people of Israel).

Kobojunkiee:
Are you using a script or something?

Kobojunkiee:
Here's a clue. The only way to fulfill the Old Covenant requirement was to attain righteousness and then die afterwards , a righteous man.

Well, Jesus Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Old Covenant Law - He died a righteous sinless man so that all those of the blood of Jacob, who were still sinners
and would would leave the Old way for the New path He had for came to bring would be imparted with His Righteousness and His Death, bringing to an end the hold of the Old Law on them, at the same time maintaining there place in the promise of the Old Covenant while they seek the New Covenant promises instead.

Jesus Christ's death was what I call inevitable and necessary for 2 good reasons. First, most every other prophet before Him was murdered. John the Baptist, the last of them and all He did was preach repentance to a sinful woman to get his head lobbed off. So Jesus Christ came ready to die at the hands of the same thugs. I mean He came in the name of God preaching a departure from the Old way - some would say He was begging to be killed.

Second, in order for His mission to the lost sheep of Israel to be made complete, He had to die. The fulfillment of the Old Covenant made that necessary so that through His death, the lost of Sheep of Israel can gain victory over the Old Covenant as they are ushered into a New one with God. So, for the sake of the Lost Sheep, Jesus Christ needed to die.

Third, for His New Covenant to apply to those of other nations -the gentiles, born dead to the Law by God's design. He had to rise from the dead. This was so that through His resurrection, He imparts the Life that He is to those previously condemned to death since Adam by God's judgment against those who do not know oe believe in Him. In So, For the sake of the Nations, Jesus Christ had to die. So He came knowing and prepared to die.

Jesus Christ had to die so that He could live instead through His followers. They become His body and force by which His work to to continue from generation to generation, all of them of course, driven by Him through submission and obedience to the Law of God.

His blood - the blood of the Covenant - was shed for the forgiveness of the sins of those who belong in His New Covenant. Pretty much since it was to be shed anyways, why not. After all He was a sinless man ...God's own avatar, the Law, and the King Himself in the Kingdom of God so His blood was perfect for the job.

So, in a sense, He died for the sinners, those of the blood of Jacob - He came to call the sinners and not the righteous among them. Though they come to Him, the New Covenant, as Old Law sinners, through impartation of His own Righteousness and His own Death upon them, they are made righteous where the old Law is concerned and dead to it, but give His Life in the New Covenant.

So it has nothing to do with blood sacrifices or human ones as you imagine on altars and what not. His sacrifice is of a different kind entirely.

Kobojunkiee:
1) stop repeating the meaningless statements of others. Read the book.

2) Ezekiel 18 vs 1-4 makes it clear that the chapter concerns those who are of the blood of Jacob alone.

3) Agaib, Isaiah 55 is to those of the house of Jacob and not to the gentiles who are not bound by Law and so are instead dead to it.

4) Psalm 32 is David, of the blood of Jacob, speaking in reverence to the Law God made with his kind.

5) Jonah 3, yet another chapter that contains those of the blood of Jacob.

Do you see a pattern here...all that you quoted excludes you, as one which is not a descendant , from God's plan.

Kobojunkiee:
I already told you before. I heard nothing tangible about God from my ancestors, only useless doctrines and commandments of men which many of you refer to as culture and tradition. So, I don't know why you keep harping on the meaningless.

As for the other part of your statement, I already told you to read the book for yourself so you know what it in fact says of Jesus Christ. Repeating what you have heard from mouth of others is also meaningless jabber to me.

Kobojunkiee:
What has Noah got to do with the Law of Moses and the fact that it belongs to those of the Blood of Jacob?

khiaa:
I'm positive Yah had a laugh when White Neanderthalds painted him WHITE.

Kobojunkiee:
The Torah does no such thing for those of us who are gentiles and do not live in the land of Canaan with the descendants of Jacob.

God's Covenant which He gave to His people through Moses was explicitly stated as an agreement between those of the blood of Jacob and the foreigners who live in the land of Canaaan with them. What this means is that God intentionally exclude all those of us from other nations from His agreement with His people, Israel.

God never changed His mind about that - He never welcomed other people into that fold either. So the Law of Moses, which is an everlasting covenant, is not meant for those of gentile roots who do not live in the land of Canaan.

AsherAmari:
They are the same and one spirit.

ChizzyBuna:
Death is a must for all living things
Death is a process of transformation
From one consciousness to the other

In original form
You were a spirit
Your spirit is attached to your father's sperm
A white liquid
When the sperm meet with egg. It dies
This death is the beginning of a foetus
This foetus grows into a baby
Baby is born
Baby turns to adult, gets old and dies
This death is the beginning of a spirit
The spirit then can come back in sperm
The sperm meets egg and inject itself into egg and dies.
The circle repeats itself.

Death is just a process of transformation from one dimension to another.